Re: [Biofuel] Iran and Russia sign nuclear deal

2005-03-03 Thread Rick Littrell
- have some other country dispose of the waste. Rick Keith Addison wrote: Iran and Russia sign nuclear deal Iran and Russia on Sunday signed a landmark nuclear fuel accord that paves the way for the firing up of the country's first atomic power station, a project the United States alleges

[Biofuel] methenol recovery

2005-03-03 Thread Brent S
Brent ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):

Re: [Biofuel] Sodium Borohydride Chemical Reaction and Fuel Cells

2005-03-03 Thread Ken Provost
On Mar 2, 2005, at 3:18 PM, Phillip Wolfe wrote: If I recall from my chemistry there are a just few catalysts in this and any reaction for that matter; so is a natural chemical reaction a patentable thing? The reaction in question is not natural, and the catalyst is probably some

Re: [Biofuel] Sodium Borohydride Chemical Reaction and Fuel Cells

2005-03-03 Thread Phillip Wolfe
Thanks Ken...and it appears from websearch that Sodium borohydride itself derived from the Boron elements from its oxide such as sodium borate. Also, I read boron is a pretty good fuel alternative to carbon based. Boron is near carbon on the chemical table. Looks like boron for fuel cells is

Re: [Biofuel] Sodium Borohydride Fuel Cells

2005-03-03 Thread Ken Provost
on 3/2/05 6:24 PM, Phillip Wolfe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it appears from websearch that Sodium borohydride itself derived from the Boron elements from its oxide such as sodium borate. Looks like boron for fuel cells is one of the ways to go... I dunno..about either boron

[Biofuel] Reskilling is Subversive?

2005-03-03 Thread Ken Provost
Let's see, deskilling is a horrible problem, old country hippies are subversive...I see an epiphany coming on.. Reskilling is Subversive! Fight the Dumbing Down of America. Knowledge is Power. Why are they Gutting Public Education? Can George Bush define Irony? Does he know what Skeptical

Re: [Biofuel] Acid catalyst for biodiesel production

2005-03-03 Thread Chris
Boy, the scent of that, with the coke and fries and the reafer, would be enough to send most good folks straight back to their college days. Reafer is what keeps the trailer cold on the truck, right? Chris Kueny Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list

[Biofuel] Eco-friendly 2/4SIGHT engine

2005-03-03 Thread MH
If only this engine could put out the km/miles a diesel could. --- Research on eco-friendly engine begins 01 March 2005 http://www.est.co.uk/aboutest/news/eenews/index.cfm?mode=viewarticleid=7917098 A consortium of automotive partners is to begin research on a gasoline engine concept

[Biofuel] biogas from deoiled cake

2005-03-03 Thread Dr. Paul Raj
hallo will somebody solve our problem we started producing biogas from deoiled cake from Pongamia pinnata seeds. In our experiment we iitially used cow dung for the digester and when the bio gas production started we slowly replace the dung with pongamia deoiled cake. the was going on for three

[Biofuel] glycerin and electricity

2005-03-03 Thread Dr. Paul Raj
dear keith your abstract massage is interesting what do you meant by electricity produced by digestion? is it biogas production by using glycerin? Dr.Paulraj __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the

Re: [Biofuel] Born Again: Help Portland, Oregon

2005-03-03 Thread DB
month. I use methanol and KOH. I get the meth from a racing club in 55 gal barrels. I have four reactor vessels. Two are plastic with cone bottoms and two are converted 55 gal steel drums.(They came full of methanol) If you cut off the top and install a valve at the bottom you end up with a

[Biofuel] Biodiesel Wicks

2005-03-03 Thread Matt Erickson
Hello, I've been a lurker to this group for some time and find the thought provoking conversations and information provided here and JTF are without parallel on the web. Great stuff, thanks! Quick question - Anyone tried out the Biodiesel wicks listed on this site?

[Biofuel] cone bottom barrels

2005-03-03 Thread J.L.Burney
hiya guys I haven't posted in a long while but here goes a post that will help a lot of you out. first take your barrel and turn it upside down then take some construction paper and make a cone out of it that will fit the barrel.tape or glue the cone into the desired shape then cut it in a

[Biofuel] Automated processor components

2005-03-03 Thread bioteo
I'm constructing a fully automated processor using a plc and sensors. I have some valves that can be operated by the plc. What sensors could I use? What kind of sensor could i use for detecting when the processor is full of wvo. Ill use pressure sensor and a thermometer to keep the process

Re: [Biofuel] Automated processor components

2005-03-03 Thread Hans Valcke
Teoman, I use a filter of RACOR to seperate the water from the biofuel. When nessesary you can run hot water trough the other site of the filter so the wvo will be a little warm up. Only wvo comes out at the other end of the filter, the water you must run out at the bottem of the racor. Hans

Re: [Biofuel] Sodium Borohydride Chemical Reaction and Fuel Cells

2005-03-03 Thread Sam Critchley
Hi, As I remember, one of the problems with sodium and other borohydrides is that boron is a relatively scarce element if considered for use on a global scale. The main deposits are found in Turkey, Chile and Southern California (owned in the major part by Rio Tinto, and 3 other smaller

RE: [Biofuel] Born Again: Help Portland, Oregon

2005-03-03 Thread John and Paula Chase
Hi, To help with you appointment... The restaurant people will want a storage unit at the restaurant to put the waste into. You will want something that can hold hot oils (375 degrees+) The size of the container should be for how often you want to pick up. I.e.., our restaurants have 200 gallon

Re: [Biofuel] Reskilling is Subversive?

2005-03-03 Thread Kim Garth Travis
I love it, re-skilling is subversive. I love to fight the dumbing down of America. Yes I am subversive, but attacking anyone in the Bush family for education doesn't sit well. I have a major problem with the Bush family for many things, but I know for a fact that they are the biggest

[Biofuel] Air travel ( was Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science )

2005-03-03 Thread Greg Harbican
For the longest time, air travel was the domain of the rich, then the cost fell. When the cost of fuel causes the price to climb back to high level's it will be again. Was air travel ever Appropriate Technology? I don't know.For some cases I think so. My wife's family held a family

RE: [Biofuel] Sodium Borohydride Chemical Reaction and Fuel Cells

2005-03-03 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
name .. had on their staff individuals who researched everything printed on any subject prior to even beginning serious research into anything they may wish to sell. If anything had been written on it .. process/compounds/what have you .. they would not be able to get a patent on that

Re: [Biofuel] recent news items of interest

2005-03-03 Thread Greg Harbican
If they do, I think that they will open themselves up for a lawsuit because not all miles are put 'On road'. And it's the big trucks that pass through states that put the majority of the wear and tear on the hwy. Greg H. - Original Message - From: info [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] glycerin and electricity

2005-03-03 Thread Keith Addison
dear keith your abstract massage It was a forwarded message. is interesting what do you meant by electricity produced by digestion? is it biogas production by using glycerin? Dr.Paulraj It seems clear enough: Forwarded message from a Journey to Forever reader. Best wishes Keith

Re: [Biofuel] Air travel ( was Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science )

2005-03-03 Thread Keith Addison
through little fault of its own), probably including our ideas of what we have to fit into only five days off. Brian and I and some others had something like this discussion here some months ago, interesting. For the longest time, air travel was the domain of the rich, Not really, in

Re: [Biofuel] Reskilling is Subversive?

2005-03-03 Thread bob allen
Kim Garth Travis wrote: Bush senior saw to it that literacy was well funded. Programs went broke under Clinton. The funding came back under Bush W. It may be the only thing they do right, and I do believe it is, but accuracy in reporting, please. This is not the way most of my

[Biofuel] Hydorgenated Oil

2005-03-03 Thread TLC Orchids and Such
Has anybody had any problems making bd from hydrogenated vegetable oils? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives

Re: [Biofuel] remedial help required

2005-03-03 Thread Keith Addison
After attempting to make a 100ml sample (i.e. 100ml virgin oil). I'm left with 120ml of glumpy emulsion with a strong chemical smell. Will this ever separate or is this soap? Did you heat it? How did you agitate it? For how long? I've had trouble disolving my caustic soda granules

Re: [Biofuel] Reskilling is Subversive?

2005-03-03 Thread Michael Redler
Hi K, I'm behind you on what you said. I'm subversive too and deeply disturbed with the current administration on many levels. I have to say that I'm struggling with some of your comments though. The idea that Bush (the teacher's husband) gives money to education doesn't seem outlandish.

Re: [Biofuel] Sodium Borohydride Fuel Cells

2005-03-03 Thread Phillip Wolfe
Ken - good points. I read and know that borates can be recycled for other uses. I will search the internet for a chemical material balance. It would be interesting to see energy input required vs energy output, etc. I think there was a gentleman by the name of Bob Allen on this listserv who has

Re: [Biofuel] Sodium Borohydride Chemical Reaction and Fuel Cells

2005-03-03 Thread Phillip Wolfe
Sam, Thanks. Brilliant synopsis. I will read and re-read your overview. Phillip Wolfe --- Sam Critchley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, As I remember, one of the problems with sodium and other borohydrides is that boron is a relatively scarce element if considered for use on a

Re: [Biofuel] Automated processor components

2005-03-03 Thread bioteo
Thanks, what price range are these filters? And cant you find them elsewhere? What industry are they used in? Teoman Teoman, I use a filter of RACOR to seperate the water from the biofuel. When nessesary you can run hot water trough the other site of the filter so the wvo will be a little

Re: [Biofuel] cone bottom barrels

2005-03-03 Thread Anti-Fossil
Howdy J.L., J.T.F. also has some great info on making your own cone bottom processor: http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor3.html for those who are interested. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA A sign seen recently in a non-smoking area: If we see smoke, we will assume you are on

Re: [Biofuel] Automated processor components

2005-03-03 Thread bioteo
What method can I use to separate the %50 water %50 bd mix after washing. I suppose adding a valve to the middle of the tank wont be precise enough. Teoman Teoman, I use a filter of RACOR to seperate the water from the biofuel. When nessesary you can run hot water trough the other site of

Re: [Biofuel] End of Suburbia and Ruralization Revisited

2005-03-03 Thread Phillip Wolfe
Similar debate going on in Central San Joquin Valley, California and specifically Greater Fresno Area (Fresno County) - issue of rural meets urban and the meshing of the two. I sit on a couple of volunteer citizen committees...it is frustrating but cannot give up.

Re: [Biofuel] Sodium Borohydride Fuel Cells

2005-03-03 Thread bob allen
I don't have a lot to add. I suspect that the sodium borohydride technology, if it works at all will be in small devices such as cell phones or laptops. Here is a link http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/pdfs/annual04/iiib1_wu.pdf A similar strategy was floated a few years

[Biofuel] Grease collection contract?

2005-03-03 Thread hoodite
New to the list. Great discussions thou. Wow just got done reading the Grease Rustlers article. Crazy stuff. So the article made me want to start working out more solidified arrangements with restaurants I collect Grease from. I'm wondering if anyone has advice for developing, or have a

[Biofuel] Locally grown food greener than organic

2005-03-03 Thread R Del Bueno
http://grist.org/cgi-bin/forward.pl?forward_id=4459http://grist.org/cgi-bin/forward.pl?forward_id=4459 YOU SAY TOMATO, I SAY HIDDEN COSTS OF TRANSPORT Locally grown food greener than organic, British study says Though organic farming is relatively easy on the environment, buying locally grown

Re: [Biofuel] Acid catalyst for biodiesel production

2005-03-03 Thread Kenneth Kron (CEO)
I believe the traditional spelling is !reefer!. Get it right or I'm going to have to have a smoke to calm myself down! JD2005 wrote: No, I spealt it wrong I think I meant refer. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Chris That would put a hint reafer in there too if it was

RE: [Biofuel] biogas from deoiled cake

2005-03-03 Thread Juan Boveda
Hello Paul Raj. Have you checked if some air is entering at the digester? Have you have run some test to compare the two of your feed sources about the range of pH, size of the particles, ratio of carbon/nitrogen, carbon/phosphorus? Have you kept the temperature at almost the same level or

Re: [Biofuel] Automated processor components

2005-03-03 Thread Leif Forer
What kind of sensor could i use for detecting when the processor is full of wvo. It is most common to use a load cell under your reactor vessel to measure mass. You could also try an optical sensor that looked at the level you wanted to fill your tank. You could also use a float switch

Re: [Biofuel] Acid catalyst for biodiesel production

2005-03-03 Thread JD2005
No, I spealt it wrong I think I meant refer. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Chris That would put a hint reafer in there too if it was mixed right. Boy, the scent of that, with the coke and fries and the reafer, would be enough to send most good folks straight back to their

Re: [Biofuel] biogas from deoiled cake

2005-03-03 Thread JD2005
- Original Message - From: Dr. Paul Raj hallo will somebody solve our problem we started producing biogas from deoiled cake from Pongamia pinnata seeds. In our experiment we iitially used cow dung for the digester and when the bio gas production started we slowly replace the dung

[Biofuel] remedial help required

2005-03-03 Thread JD2005
Hi, After attempting to make a 100ml sample (i.e. 100ml virgin oil). I'm left with 120ml of glumpy emulsion with a strong chemical smell. Will this ever separate or is this soap? I've had trouble disolving my caustic soda granules which seem to be, on average, over 1.25 mm in diameter so

Re: [Biofuel] remedial help required

2005-03-03 Thread JD2005
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison Did you heat it? I heated the oil to 50 degrees celcius. Actually, the thermometer I used burst so some alcohol went in there but I'd hoped that that had evaporated off.I cooled it a bit by waiting. How did you agitate it? I agitated it