Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft

2005-09-13 Thread TarynToo
Hi all, Notwithstanding this list's rule that says 'nothing is off topic', it seems to me that there are already a huge number of websites and mail threads involved in the NT/XP/BSD/Linux/Macintosh religious wars. Would bringing such a thread to the BD group increase content levels, or just

Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft

2005-09-13 Thread Doug Foskey
Hey, people: I was not really serious! I know there are a lot of Linux ( BSD) users on the list. I guess in the next few years there will be a lot more regards Doug On Tuesday 13 September 2005 4:30, TarynToo wrote: Hi all, Notwithstanding this list's rule that says 'nothing is off

[Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Greg and April
True or False Underpowered vehicles can be just as inefficient as overpowered vehicles. Why or why not? Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Using stored co2 energy (was: Shooting Down theBreeze)

2005-09-13 Thread Chris lloyd
chris l., i assure you i was not mistaken. wiring down the cork is no guarantee. even if it holds the cork, the bottle itself might explode. They sure do go off with a bang, I've lost gallons over the last 30 years due to getting the fermentation wrong when making sparkling Perry. Chris.

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-13 Thread Keith Addison
On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote: I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on Wind Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had visited their Solar One Site and thought they might like to do something with wind.

[Biofuel] organic photovoltaic devices

2005-09-13 Thread Alt.EnergyNetwork
Hi all, there is some interesting info here. Organic Photovoltaic Devices - Use Of Nanomaterials in Organic Photovoltaic Devices http://www.azonano.com/Details.asp?ArticleID=1400 next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel verification

2005-09-13 Thread ROY Washbish
Hi Przemyslaw I had the same question when I first started. I put some of my new fuel in an oil lamp just to see if it would BURN. IT DID. I knew I was on the right track BEST Regards. RoyKuba-tlen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, i have a question. Is there any way of checking my biodiesel

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Darryl McMahon
Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] posited: True or False Underpowered vehicles can be just as inefficient as overpowered vehicles. Why or why not? Why bother? The wrong tool for the job is the wrong tool for the job. If you want to split a diamond, neither a sledge hammer nor a feather

[Biofuel] Biodiesel in a Toyostove?

2005-09-13 Thread Mike Weaver
anyone ever try BD in a kerosene Toyostove? 50/50? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in a Toyostove?

2005-09-13 Thread Joe Street
I have tried my biodiesel in a multifuel camping stove made for backpacking use. It is the type that has a fuel bottle separate from the burner and a pump on the bottle for pressurization. It is made by sigg and called the firejet. It is a little difficult to light on kerosene and very

Re: [Biofuel] All plastic processor

2005-09-13 Thread JJJN
Thanks Bill, My first choice was SS but when I got the price tag I looked for cheaper solutions that would work. I dont like the threads either but if you buy the Marine grade epoxy dough ( comes in a tube and you have to knead it together) you can put a reinforcement around the threads

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-13 Thread TarynToo
Hi Keith, On Sep 13, 2005, at 4:00 AM, Keith Addison wrote: On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote: I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on Wind Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had visited their Solar One Site and

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Kirk McLoren
The fuel efficiency of an engine is not a constant. At high throttle settings economy is sacrificed for power. ie the grams of fuel used per horsepower hour increases. That is why infinite ratio transmissions would be worthwhile. And ideally - lossless. At low loads the fixed burden of the engine

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in a Toyostove?

2005-09-13 Thread MH
anyone ever try BD in a kerosene Toyostove? 50/50? No, but I might need that to boil or distill my drinking water someday while encamped along the waterways. I've wondered about using white (unleaded) gasoline blends in a Coleman pressure lamp or stove for far to long.

[Biofuel] Power shortages affect refineries

2005-09-13 Thread Kirk McLoren
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/special/california/june01article/carefinery.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8063259/ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list

[Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Paul S Cantrell
Greg H. wrote:True or FalseUnderpowered vehicles can be just as inefficient as overpowered vehicles. Why or why not?All US models: 2000 Geo/Chevy Metro (1.3L 3cyl gasoline, 5 Spd Manual) EPA MPG: City 39 Highway 46 2000 Ferrari 550 (5.5L V-12 gasoline, 6 Spd Manual) EPA MPG: City 8 Highway 10

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Tomas Juknevicius
Kirk McLoren wrote: snip. That is why infinite ratio transmissions would be worthwhile. And ideally - lossless. snip And there are such a transmission systems already Check out the http://www.torotrak.com/howitworks.html Dont miss the cool flash demo

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Here's a discussion thread with links to graphs of the gm/kWh for a few diesel engines. It changes based both on engine RPM and engine throttle position. The VW TDI is one of the best small engines from what I understand, peaking at under 200 grams/kWh.

Re: [Biofuel] Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes

2005-09-13 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Hmmm. With the track record of the current group in charge, this would seem like giving a ferrari to a 16 year old with bad eyesight. After he just crashed up his old ford escort Wonder how long before some pharmacuticals plant in Iran goes up in a mushroom cloud? On 9/12/05, robert luis

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Michael Redler
(theoretically) True (IMHO) Engine efficiency and engine size are almost mutually exclusive (very few things are perfectly scalable). If your throttle control is nothing more than a request for more or less powerAND there is a correlation between a demand for power and a demand for fuel

Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?

2005-09-13 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Zeke These people keep saying they read somewhere but they don't say where. We've had dozens of them. This citing of an unknown resource has actually been documented (by the movie Outfoxed) as a devious method of presenting opinion or non factual information without violating (at least in

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Are we comparing exactly the same weight/aerodynamics/rolling resistance car here, with just different powered engines? Or complete different cars like a metro, corolla, and a ferarri. I think for otherwise identical cars, a medium sized engine (but smaller than what most cars come with nowdays)

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in a Toyostove?

2005-09-13 Thread Keith Addison
I have tried my biodiesel in a multifuel camping stove made for backpacking use. It is the type that has a fuel bottle separate from the burner and a pump on the bottle for pressurization. It is made by sigg and called the firejet. It is a little difficult to light on kerosene and very difficult

Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

2005-09-13 Thread Joe Street
As long as we are Bush Bashing...here is a link to a song I composed for protest purposes. Feel free to save a copy if you like it and pass it around! ;-) (Right click the link and select save target if you want to keep a copy) http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/Dubya%20Lies.mp3 I hope you

Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

2005-09-13 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I like it. Word sampling? or did he actually say all that. I wouldn't put it past him if his handlers weren't around some time. I don't even like rap or hip hop music, but this is pretty good too. http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/08/katrina_kanye_remixe.html On 9/13/05, Joe Street

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Joe Street
Zeke Yewdall wrote: Snip I think for otherwise identical cars, a medium sized engine (but smaller than what most cars come with nowdays) will get better mileage, because it can accellerate fast enough to get out of the fuel dumping acceleration, and into more fuel efficient cruising faster.

Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

2005-09-13 Thread Joe Street
Zeke Yewdall wrote: I like it. Word sampling? or did he actually say all that. Thank you. :-) Wave editing. G.Dub didn't say those things exactly as they appear but it is all his voice. It is relatively easy to splice phrases together or remove words. Splicing sylables is

Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?

2005-09-13 Thread Ken Dunn
On 9/13/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question does tend to come up every now and then, but recently amuch higher proportion than usual are inquiring about biodiesel's allegedly short storage life.So many people just browse around the web like gadflies, they don'tkeep much or any

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-13 Thread Leon Hulett
TarynToo, Sorry, I can't help you with any vision of the Victorian or Scholastic scope of knowledge... But I might add a few things on the wind and my idea. I got a package of wind data on the upper air from an Oceanographic office. This was a compilation of data for 10 years from all around

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Marty Phee
Wouldn't a variable displacement engine work best. Say a 2+ liter 4 cylinder where 2 cylinders can be turned off at speed. Dodge is doing this in their trucks with v8's. A BMW mechanic behind me told me that BMW makes an engine with variable compression. The head move in/out to change the

[Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] FEMA Had Authority to Act, even without Emergency Declaration]

2005-09-13 Thread Marty Phee
Original Message Subject:[IP] FEMA Had Authority to Act, even without Emergency Declaration Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:13:41 -0400 From: David Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ip Ip ip@v2.listbox.com References: [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Hurley, Edward R
Agreed. As also stated by another list member the right tool for the right job. Case in point: I have a 2000 Dodge 2500 4X4 with the Cummings 24 valve diesel. It has the avg. and real time mpg readout in the overhead console. Going by that, the stock truck would get its best mpg /

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread David Miller
Joe Street wrote: I think for otherwise identical cars, a medium sized engine (but smaller than what most cars come with nowdays) will get better mileage, because it can accellerate fast enough to get out of the fuel dumping acceleration, and into more fuel efficient cruising faster. If

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Michael Redler
I knew it wouldn't take long for these (good) questions to come up. I'm just concerned that we don't get too hung up on cars designed for maximum efficiencyvs maximum power. Some of the methods used to get fuel and air to high horsepower engines resemble toilet bowls and a lot of that fuel ends

Re: [Biofuel] Using stored co2 energy (was: Shooting Down the Breeze)

2005-09-13 Thread capt3d
well, if you're anything like me you probably won't be too excited by the prospect, but a "cheater's method" involves chilling the bottles to near freezing before final bottling. the cold temp allows the gas to remain in solution while you transfer the wine to fresh bottles (to which you can add

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Joe Street
David Miller wrote: The first half of this is a good observation. The second half, however, is all wrong. Sorry:( Why is that? If the coefficient of friction remains constant (an assumption) then the frictional force should be proportional to the normal force which is directly

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-13 Thread Joe Street
Hi Leon; The first issue I see is that any device with enough volume of helium to get a generator with that much capacity off the ground would have a huge frontal area which would make tethering a bit difficult. Joe Leon Hulett wrote: TarynToo, Sorry, I can't help you with any vision of

Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

2005-09-13 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Does anyone else know of issues with running Biodiesel in the Dodge Cummings engine? From the various biodiesel forums I've read, most people have no trouble with these (as long as they change the fuel filters and use good biodiesel of course). But there has been a lot of discussion on whether

Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

2005-09-13 Thread bob allen
Hey Joe, that is way cool- splicing syllables. neat Joe Street wrote: Zeke Yewdall wrote: I like it. Word sampling? or did he actually say all that. Thank you. :-) Wave editing. G.Dub didn't say those things exactly as they appear but it is all his voice. It is relatively

Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?

2005-09-13 Thread Keith Addison
Greetings Ken On 9/13/05, Keith Addison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question does tend to come up every now and then, but recently a much higher proportion than usual are inquiring about biodiesel's allegedly short storage life. So many people just browse around the

[Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] This explains it]

2005-09-13 Thread Marty Phee
Original Message Subject:[IP] This explains it Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:00:13 -0400 From: David Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ip Ip ip@v2.listbox.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Begin forwarded message: From: Ted

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] This explains it]

2005-09-13 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Yes, but it's no less believable than things that Robertson really did say On 9/13/05, Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's actually a gag site. Marty Phee wrote: Original Message Subject: [IP] This explains it Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:00:13

Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

2005-09-13 Thread malcolm maclure
Nice one Joe!!! Have passed it on to a buddy of mine who is a very active bush-basher on the net, so your creation will surely be flooding round the world, hehe. Do some more J Malcolm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: 13

Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

2005-09-13 Thread Joe Street
Yipee! I'm already working on it :-D malcolm maclure wrote: Nice one Joe!!! Have passed it on to a buddy of mine who is a very active bush-basher on the net, so your creation will surely be flooding round the world, hehe. Do some more J Malcolm

Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

2005-09-13 Thread malcolm maclure
Keep up the good work Just as an after thought, have you considered putting it to video footage including shots of atrocities committed by US forces in Iraq etc? Could be a powerful message!! BTW my buddy has stumblebloged it (as in stumbleupon) So it really is going round the

[Biofuel] Lessons from Katrina --eye opener

2005-09-13 Thread Kirk McLoren
Eye-opener as to what really went on in New Orleans:http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/09/africa_in_our_m.php Australian tourists stuck in the Superdome had the same experience. Bud Hopes, a 32-year-old man from Kangaroo Point, Brisbane, took control and may have saved many lives. As the

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in a Toyostove?

2005-09-13 Thread Mike Weaver
Hi, it's a big square heater - about 10-15 years old. Runs fine on kero. I was thinking of mixing it and seeing what happens. It doesn't have any logic chips or any electronics. I won't get to it for a while but will post results! -Mike I have tried my biodiesel in a multifuel camping stove

Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

2005-09-13 Thread TarynToo
Hi Joe, that was nicely done, thanks. I've played it for my family and will share more. So who did the non-bush part? And who is JAFO? Taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 13, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Joe Street wrote: As long as we are Bush Bashing...here is a link to a song I composed for

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-13 Thread TarynToo
Thanks Leon, this was helpful and interesting. A few thoughts and questions: A kite at 30K feet would have at least 40K feet of tether, about 12 km of cable. I know there now exist carbon fiber cored, aluminum wrapped, power lines that are both stronger and lighter than copper or the common