Hi Dawie
Keith has emphasized before that meaningful food production doesn't
require huge tracts of land. It is amazing what can be done in very
small spaces.
Modern cities contain vast amounts of wasted land, but the resulting
pattern is one that attracts too much moving about of people and
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg18995.html
[biofuel] The Railroading of Amtrak
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg12055.html
[biofuel] Subsidizing Trains, Planes And Automobiles
(The whole discussion thread is linked at the end of the page.)
The effects of greening rooftops are quite well known, there are
enough examples for quite a clear picture to have emerged, showing a
wide range of benefits and no apparent downside.
The idea of greening rooftops could hit the big time any time, like
the local food movement that's sweeping the
ever see potatoes grown in a foot of straw? They claimed no digging to harvest
tubers.
Since the roots go down do they decide to fruit in the first foot of root?
Probably since next years potato comes from the fruit.
Kirk
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The effects of greening
There was a whole write up recently about urban farming; as soon as I
come off my latest energy binge I'll look for it.
-Mike
Hi Dawie
Keith has emphasized before that meaningful food production doesn't
require huge tracts of land. It is amazing what can be done in very
small spaces.
Modern
I wonder if you could look at the carbon output and extrapolate backwards
to get a rough idea what the cost is.
Interesting side note: I was at the bus stop in my neighborhood, which is
for lack of a better word, one of the more exclusive suburbs in the
country, mosty due to its proximity to DC.
Kirk,
Last year I followed a friend's suggestion a friend's of growing potatoes
in a cage. I planted some potatoes in the soil and put a wire cage around
each plant. As the potato plants grew, I added leaf mold to the cage. I could
then simply remove the cage, pull back the leaf mold and
That's how we always planted them. Maybe more like 6 of straw. The
actual pototatos were planted about 4 deep in the dirt, then after
they came up, the straw was put on. At the end of the year, you could
pull the straw back and the potatoes would be sitting mostly right on
top of the dirt. So,
Immediate gratification. That's a large part of why we are in this mess.
Wonder what the payback time of those granite counters and appliances is?
On 6/15/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if you could look at the carbon output and extrapolate
backwards
to get a rough
Interesting response I got from someone involved in research on using
Camilina for biofuels. Seems that he's not talking about regular
transesterification, but rather catalytic cracking, just like we do
with crude oil? I'm not sure I know enough to even know what he's
talking about.
I do have
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
Wonder what the payback time of those granite counters and appliances is?
Almost immediate
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Ah, but I think you may be including a non-monetary benefit...
remember, for renewable energy or energy efficiency stuff, you can
only include the strict monetary benefits when calculating payback.
On 6/15/07, Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
Wonder what the payback
Wonder what the payback time of those granite counters and appliances is?
On 6/15/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if you could look at the carbon output and extrapolate backwards
to get a rough idea what the cost is.
Interesting side note: I was at the bus stop in my
you plant them in the same dirt but they have a foot or more of straw mulch.
Pull aside the straw and there are your spuds. Roots are in the soil deeper yet.
Kirk
Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kirk,
Last year I followed a friend's suggestion a friend's of growing
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
Ah, but I think you may be including a non-monetary benefit...
remember, for renewable energy or energy efficiency stuff, you can
only include the strict monetary benefits when calculating payback.
Nope, I'm talking property flipping.
The sad but incontrovertible truth is,
ever see potatoes grown in a foot of straw? They claimed no digging
to harvest tubers.
Since the roots go down do they decide to fruit in the first foot of
root? Probably since next years potato comes from the fruit.
Kirk
I have two small wooden barrels outside the kitchen with potatoes
Uuugh. Forgot about property flipping. But now that you mention it,
they are ripping down 2,000 sq foot $800k houses in Boulder, just for
the lot. Ack. Our society is nuts.
This is one reason my town hasn't made too much effort to clean up the
piles of abandoned cars along the road and in
Kirk,
Gotcha
I've already planted my spuds for this year (including sweet potatoes) the
old fashioned way . mounding the dirt around the plant.
Maybe the less-than-favorable results I got last year was because I used
leaf mold rather than straw.
Hey Yewdall,
I DID MY PART when I traded in my Escalade for a Lexus SUV hybrid for the
commute downtown. I didn't HAVE to spend the extra money BUT I DID
because it was the right thing to do. Now get off my back and let me enjoy
my lifestyle.
Uuugh. Forgot about property flipping. But now
LOL. I bet your Escalade was 3 years old, and you didn't want to be
seen in that old a car anyway. But, I applaud getting the Lexus
instead of just a newer Escalade. :)
On 6/15/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Yewdall,
I DID MY PART when I traded in my Escalade for a Lexus SUV
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
Uuugh. Forgot about property flipping. But now that you mention it,
they are ripping down 2,000 sq foot $800k houses in Boulder, just for
the lot. Ack. Our society is nuts.
Our society is suicidal. Nuts indeed!
I though Boulder had more sense. I've read good stuff
Well, boulder has alot of good things -- great public transit, bike
trails, greenspace. And they do think about planning, which is more
than I can say for many places. But because they are surrounded by
open space that can't be built on (a good thing), and they have also
historically made it hard
Actually 2 years - but the ashtray was full and power carpet wasn't working.
LOL. I bet your Escalade was 3 years old, and you didn't want to be
seen in that old a car anyway. But, I applaud getting the Lexus
instead of just a newer Escalade. :)
On 6/15/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello Zeke
Interesting response
Not very.
I got from someone involved in research on using
Camilina for biofuels. Seems that he's not talking about regular
transesterification, but rather catalytic cracking, just like we do
with crude oil? I'm not sure I know enough to even know what he's
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