Re: [Biofuel] Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel :-)
I would like to see what advertising for biodiesel from liposuction would look like. How about a quiet radio ad that lists all the earth friendly points quitely and calmly gives the tagline... Soylent Green... It's People... fred On 2/15/07, Christopher Jacqueline tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the movie Fight Club, Brad Pitt's character makes quality soap that he sells to high class shops. He breaks into hospital dumpsters to get his raw material. =) Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:07 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel :-) This whole subject is making me feel sick... I can't take the visual image of it all. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel :-) Are we talking about grain fed lipofat vs range fed? Range fed would require walking around and bending over, causing less fat and more lean meat, whereas grain fed requires only bending over, like we are already used to, plus easier to engineer and enrich the grain for the highest quality lipofat. Mike LOL! What about the comparative Omega-3 fatty acid content? Is the grain a fossil-fuels dependant industrial monocrop a la ADM? Not carbon-neutral lipofat then, hm. What will be the effect of this kind of biofuel on tortilla prices in Mexico? To say nothing of Tyson's bottom line, let alone the Nikkei Index? And what about MOA disease (Mad Overweight Americans) - are feed regulations in place to ensure that you're not eating each other's brains? Let them eat grass, that's what I say. Actually, a certain list member made some liposuction by-product biodiesel four years ago but kept quiet about it because he wasn't sure the world was ready. Or something like that. Best Keith - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Fred Finch To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel :-) Wait a minute... I think we have a potential new field of employment for many Americans! We would generate our own fuel reserves by sucking out the fat of our asses at the same time we suck off the fat of the land! Granted it would not be sustainable. Kind of like what Tyson foods does to chickens. We could have literal fat farms! Produce the fat and render the fat. What a great idea! fred On 2/13/07, MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL LOL LOL LO:L...Get off your lazy fat asses and REJECT REAL ID...LOL LOL LOL Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: frantz Desprez mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel :-) :-) Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel! A norwegian businessman, Mr. Lauri Venøy, will settle in Miami in Florida to launch a production of biodiesel starting from greases resulting from liposuccions. 60% of the Americans are in overweight and a great number of them has recourse to the liposuccion. For Mr. Lauri Venøy, that can represent a lucrative market in the field of renewable energies. The norwegian contractor is currently in talks with the Jackson Memorial American hospital for the signature of an agreement, which would enable him to acquire 11.500 liters of human grease resulting from liposuccions each week, and thus to produce 10.000 liters of bio-diesel. BE Norway number 71 (8/02/2007) - Embassy of France in Norway/ADIT - http://www.bulletins-electroniques.com/actualites/41155.htmhttp://ww w.bulletins-electroniques.com/actualites/41155.htm Liposuccions : une nouvelle source de biodiesel ! Un homme d'affaire norvégien, M. Lauri Venøy, va s'installer à Miami en Floride pour lancer une production de biodiesel à partir des graisses issues des liposuccions. 60 % des Américains sont en surpoids et un grand nombre d'entre eux ont recours à la liposuccion. Pour M. Lauri Venøy, cela peut représenter un marché lucratif dans le domaine des énergies renouvelables. L'entrepreneur norvégien est actuellement en pourparler avec le très grand hôpital américain Jackson Memorial en vue de la signature d'un accord, qui lui permettrait d'acquérir 11 500 litres de graisse humaine issue des liposuccions chaque semaine, et ainsi de produire 10.000 litres de bio-diesel. BE Norvège numéro 71 (8/02/2007) - Ambassade de France en Norvège / ADIT - http://www.bulletins-electroniques.com/actualites/41155.htmhttp://ww w.bulletins-electroniques.com/actualites/41155.htm
Re: [Biofuel] Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel :-)
Wait a minute... I think we have a potential new field of employment for many Americans! We would generate our own fuel reserves by sucking out the fat of our asses at the same time we suck off the fat of the land! Granted it would not be sustainable. Kind of like what Tyson foods does to chickens. We could have literal fat farms! Produce the fat and render the fat. What a great idea! fred On 2/13/07, MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL LOL LOL LO:L...Get off your lazy fat asses and REJECT REAL ID...LOL LOL LOL Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: frantz Desprez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel :-) :-) Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel! A norwegian businessman, Mr. Lauri Venøy, will settle in Miami in Florida to launch a production of biodiesel starting from greases resulting from liposuccions. 60% of the Americans are in overweight and a great number of them has recourse to the liposuccion. For Mr. Lauri Venøy, that can represent a lucrative market in the field of renewable energies. The norwegian contractor is currently in talks with the Jackson Memorial American hospital for the signature of an agreement, which would enable him to acquire 11.500 liters of human grease resulting from liposuccions each week, and thus to produce 10.000 liters of bio-diesel. BE Norway number 71 (8/02/2007) - Embassy of France in Norway/ADIT - http://www.bulletins-electroniques.com/actualites/41155.htm Liposuccions : une nouvelle source de biodiesel ! Un homme d'affaire norvégien, M. Lauri Venøy, va s'installer à Miami en Floride pour lancer une production de biodiesel à partir des graisses issues des liposuccions. 60 % des Américains sont en surpoids et un grand nombre d'entre eux ont recours à la liposuccion. Pour M. Lauri Venøy, cela peut représenter un marché lucratif dans le domaine des énergies renouvelables. L'entrepreneur norvégien est actuellement en pourparler avec le très grand hôpital américain Jackson Memorial en vue de la signature d'un accord, qui lui permettrait d'acquérir 11 500 litres de graisse humaine issue des liposuccions chaque semaine, et ainsi de produire 10.000 litres de bio-diesel. BE Norvège numéro 71 (8/02/2007) - Ambassade de France en Norvège / ADIT - http://www.bulletins-electroniques.com/actualites/41155.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Death of a Compost Bin
Hi Robert, I have two bins at the moment. The first is the plastic high tech made from recycled bottles. The second is ultra low tech. A big cardboard box. Of the two I like the box better right now. That might change. I like the idea that when the box cannot be used for a composter I can compost it. fred On 12/9/06, Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Robert, I use wood posts stacked like a log cabin. It´s open on one side. I don´t use treated wood anywhere. So avoid that poison. If the wood rots in time I replace it. Tom Irwin -- From: *robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: *[Biofuel] The Death of a Compost Bin* Date: *Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:01:49 -0800* Although I don't do all of my composting in a bin, nearly all of our household table scraps and the entire collection of waste from our bunny cage went into a black plastic compost bin. Please note the past tense verb . . . About a week or so ago, we had a blast of arctic air sweep through this area. Temperatures plummeted and with the outflow winds howling out of the east, windchills of -20 C lasted for two or three days. (I know that some of you further east will probably laugh at this, but for those of us who live near the ocean, -20 is pretty cold!) The moisture in my compost bin expanded as it froze, literally warping or shattering the plastic bin. The whole thing actually fell over this morning. I went out to clean up the mess and found the top third of the contents completely preserved and uncomposted (big surprise, it's been cold, right?), the middle third consisted of a singular mass of partially composted, frozen material, while the bottom third remained warm enough to keep on decomposing. But the composter is toast. I'll have to construct another one because I'm NOT going to use plastic again . . . What do the rest of you use for compost bin construction material? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messengerhttp://g.msn.com/8HMBEN/2728??PS=47575Download today it's FREE! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Great Fence of America
I would hope that Canada annexes Minnesota before building the fence! On 11/27/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'd think the Canadians would put up their own fence! robert and benita rabello wrote: Fred Oliff wrote: Who gets riich when they build this new fence? Some company affiliated with congressmen and senators. And is there going to be one on the northern borders as well? Yes. This has been a topic of derision among people in BC for the last several weeks. I have a newspaper cartoon that shows Mr. Bush extoling the virtues of America's border with Canada. He's shouting through a megaphone from the top of a barbed wire topped fence, complete with security cameras and a mine field. An astonished Canadian, walking a dog, approaches the US border to hear Mr. Bush say: I cherish the unique and special relationship we have between our two countries. Now, keep your hands where I can see them and step away from the wall! Fences are meant to keep people/animals in or keep people/animals out? Just asking... They're supposed to protect America from all those terrorists invading from Canada that the US Customs agency can't seem to screen at the border, despite all the harassment they give to our allies and friends. I thought Al Gore's comment in An Inconvenient Truth about terrorism vs the environment (and I cannot recall the exact words), was very telling of the present plight we all face. Which, after all, is easier to fix? Admitting there is a problem (has been difficult), awareness that there is a problem is easy (maybe not AS easy) but taking action (on the environment) is just not very popular. No video games were made/sold in the resolution of global climate change (warming). Dealing with the climate issue will have an indirect consequence of significantly reducing our need to project power into the Persian Gulf to defend oil supplies. That would go a long way toward ameliorating the hostility towards us that has been brewing in that region for the past fifty years or so. The other side of the equation, however, will involve solving the Palestinian issue. Of course, I've been talking this way for thirty years now and no one seems willing to listen. My mother thinks we should bomb the rest of the planet, calls my wife an ignorant foreigner (for suggesting that the US spend less money on defense and more on infrastructure and a social safety net) and told me to go to hell for suggesting that people who claim to be Christians should actually reflect a Christ-like attitude. Sadly, this kind of mentality is common enough among American citizens that no substantive policy changes will ever occur. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cambodian Rail Speeder
Here is one of the best uses for small rail that I have ever stumbled across. Lightweight effecient and (somewhat) portable. Mass transit for the masses! http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/Slap a small diesel on the speeder and you have a workable transportation solution that solves many problems.fred ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Is there any diesel powered bicycles?
Near as I can tell there are no diesel bicycles or mopeds that are in production.That said, there are several homebuilt motorcycles and scooters that work well.Look here, http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/dorsett.htmI like the diesel scooter towards the bottom of the page.fredOn 10/16/06, ItalysBadBoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all,Does anyone know of any diesel powered bicycles? Any motors you know of that could be used for a bicycle? I am interested in a motor from 1-2 horsepower.Thanks for any help,IBB .$ $ $ $LARRY KING LIVEAired May 30, 2005 - 21:00 CNN Transcripts/0505/30/lkl.01.htmlKING: When do we leave? You expect it in your administration? D. CHENEY: I do.KING: It's not going to be a 10-year event?D. CHENEY: No. ... But I think the level of activity that we see today, from a military standpoint, I think will clearly decline. I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.http://zfacts.com/p/87.html$ $ $ $ All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Some composting
Hi Dave, Keith is right, coffee grounds work great. I assume that you are on campus, right? Go to the student food services (feedlot) and ask them for a bunch of coffee grounds filters and all. You will get a funny look but it is perfect for compost. BTW, I was down there visiting my niece last weekend (the 7th.) St. Marys is a beautiful campus.fredOn 10/15/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:So, I have an abundance of leaves (leafs to those in Canada!haha). Anyway, I would like to do some small scale, indoor composting(aerobic).I was reading some notes on JTF but didn't seem to findthe information of nitrogen ratio for the Household Compost Activator.I would like to use mostly leaves and some vegie scrapsalong with peat moss.But, how much urine to add?I'm looking atthe 20 gallon container size.Thanks,-dave Hello DaveDo Canadians really say leafs? I thought everybody said leaves.Anyway, these are autumn leaves, dropped by the trees for the winter?In which case they don't contain very much by way of nutrients, the tree extracts most of it before dropping them. Lots of carbon, notmuch N. Tree leaves aren't too easy to compost anyway, they have awaxy coating that doesn't encourage breakdown and they tend to pack,cutting off the air supply. Peat moss also has lots of carbon and not much N. Veggie scraps will have more N and less C, but it looks likeyou need to add a lot of N. The problem with adding it in the form ofHCA is that you're also adding a lot of water that way, and ifthere's too much water it will clog up and go anaerobic. So I'm not very hopeful about that mixture.The volume isn't such a problem, bigger is easier, but I did sometest compost in a 3-gallon pot the other day, it hit 60 deg C (140deg F) and composted well. 20 gallons should be fine. For the mix, try adding something dry and crumbly with lots of N -too much N won't hurt, the excess will be driven off (ammonia) untilit hits the right ratio; too little N and it won't heat up properly (which is also the result of too much water or poor air supply). Drycoffee grounds would be a suitable source of N, but there are manyothers. Then add urine until it's wet enough: if you ball some up inyour fist it should stay in a ball when you let go but should crumble up easily again, not pack together. It works best with a good airsupply from underneath.Probably you'll have to tinker with it a bit before you get a feelfor it, but please persevere, don't be discouraged, it's a real thrill the first time your compost gets hot, and it's about theearth-friendliest thing you can do. IMHO.Good luck, keep posting, lots of composters here to offer their help.BestKeith ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Happy Thanksgiving everybody
More like lost Catalan day...But that can be debated...On 10/9/06, Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Happy Thanksgiving! Many thanks to all your contributions, as well!!! As for us poor Americans, it is lost Italian/Spaniard Day.On 10/6/06, robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe Street wrote: Enjoy the long weekend.I'm STILL not used to Thanksgiving in October . . .It doesn't seemright!But thank you for the well wishes!robert luis rabelloThe Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels, not pictures of bush
He's giving Fred's a bad name!!fredOn 10/5/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Fred; I'll give you 4,000,000. 4,000,000 kicks in the A** that is! Big business is part of the problem man not the solution. Small is beutiful get it? It's got to be local in order to be sustainable. Or haven't you benn paying attention? Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does Billionairesforbush have to do with Biofuels? I have a plan for a 1.5 million gallon per year ethanol plantthe total funding need is 4,000,000I will give 51% equity to an investorplease send email address to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy of the plan. From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/05 Thu AM 02:45:16 EDT To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: [Biofuel] Billionaires for Bush picture gallery http://www.billionairesforbush.com/photos.php ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Closing Down the Garden
Is it just me, or is Weaver missing from the conversation?On 10/1/06, robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Doug Foskey wrote:Dosen't it make the milk taste in the morning?? Does your milk have a tongue???(Two can play that game!)robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Closing Down the Garden
Did you show your guests the most personal way to apply your organic compost enhancement liquid?My garden is working well also. I do not tell my Father-in-law about the organic compost enhancement liquid. He might have a heartattack on the spot if he knew.fredOn 10/1/06, robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everyone! It's been an interesting year in our garden. We're getting more and more produce each season, and it's taking less and less work to increase the yields. This summer was very hot, but we used less water than we've used in the past--to the likely detriment of squash and pumpkins that didn't grow as well as we've seen before. We've got so many tomatoes that my sweetheart has taken to making sauce out of them. (I liken eating tomatoes to biting into a human lip, but the rest of the people in my family really like them, and my eldest son eats them like apples.) As we've been harvesting (more potatoes than we can possibly eat, and green beans so plentiful we've resorted to giving them away), I've been shredding and composting the plant material, and dumping finished compost around my trees again. (I've got the power shredder running properly now. It starts easily and isn't burning as much fuel as had been the case in the past.) In another week or so I should have enough finished compost to complete the work with my trees, and any residual compost I have can go in the vegetable beds. This week I intend to get several loads of well-rotted barn litter to spread on my garden for the winter. We have family friends who live in Kamloops, roughly two and a half hours northeast of where we are. It's hot and dry there--perfect for growing fruit and vegetables without the pest problems we face near the coast, where it's wetter and milder. These people are elderly, have been growing plants for longer than I've been alive, and they've watched our progress with interest as we've transformed the clay muck around our house into a thriving and verdant garden. The patriarch of this Kamloops family examined our fruit trees and praised me up and down for the health and vigor of our trees. This year's dry summer, coupled with stronger trees and steadily improving soil, enabled the trees to fight off most of the aphid infestation that's plagued us. We've also seen an increase in predatory activity among wasps and lady beetles, and for the first time on this property, we had plums on our trees! (And oh, they were sweet!!!) He helped me with pruning and gave me some advice on how to deal with our apple and cherry trees. The matriarch, however, is an avid chemical gardener. She kept telling my sweetheart that we need to apply fertilizer to our trees and vegetables. Compost is not enough! she kept saying. A little bit later, as we wandered down to my compost pile, however, the patriarch gazed in astonishment at the HUGE pile of compost I'm generating right now. It's warm, moist and has a sweet aroma to it. When I told him that I've only been using trimmings, weeds and harvested plant stalks that actually grow on my property, coupled with kitchen scraps and bunny litter, he was astonished. He told me he's NEVER been able to make good compost. Ah, so THAT'S why the revered lady insists on chemicals! I told him that he needs to shred his plant material, and gave him the secret of using organic compost enhancement liquid. My sweetheart LOVES to watch people's reactions when I tell them how this works . . . I hope the rest of you biofuelers in the northern hemisphere have enjoyed the fruits of success this season. For you who live on the other side of the equator, may your gardens grow abundantly this year! robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 2 new additions
Jason, My brother and his wife had twins in May. They went from double teaming my niece to running a Zone defense. The problem with a zone defense is that one always gets through. Good Luck with the twins, Man on Man defense works well. fredssively loud)twin sons Ryken and Xavier were born. katie is healthy, albeit tired, and the boys are on a steady track to coming home next week. (theyre in thenursery until they can regulate their own body temperatures)You are doubly blessed!May you find wisdom and contentment in fatherhood!robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc
On 9/13/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're a noble man Fred. Sorry to say the chances of it happeningwould have been zilch. Would have been because it's too late forthat, it went too far. I doubt an apology would have been acceptable anyway.RegardsKeithI like to think that given a chance he might have come around. Alas, the decision has been made.This is the second Mensa clown that stumbled to the group only to make an ass out of himself. Why is that? Is there a requirement that you have to be heartless and souless to become a member? Perhaps they are too smart for their own good,fredOn 9/13/06, Thor Burfine mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I just have to say, I think its rather funny that my personal beliefs can cause such a shit storm-Original Message-From:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] lelists.org[mailto:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]biofuel-bounces@ sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of David PenfoldSent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:43 AMTo: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etcThor,it's not overly sensitive to dislike insinuations that you would beperfectly happy to use nuclear bombs on a whole region in order to get your oil.You're a small-minded idiot.Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:58:24 -0700 From: Thor Burfine mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ced72aa8928b4ffdb[EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offended My work is done From: bob allen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM To: mailto: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel? Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass snip___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well...On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
I doubt it.and I do give a shit! (apologies to the list)On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, MensaI just don't give a shi.. From: Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well...On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyThis offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is done From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* wrote:Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- --Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Useless words to live by. On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: noI find many of the topics here insitful and usefulI had a professor once tell meIf you are offended, then its your fault.If you offend me, then its my fault I live by that. From: Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:36 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is done From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disneyso mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel? Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* wrote:Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyThis offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- --Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob--- The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Hi Weaver (Redler), I think you missed one of the posts done by our friend Thor.He said, Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer and I don not believe in being politically correct, so if I offend you, ohh well not my problemTo which I replied, And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers aswell...Hope this clears this up,fred On 9/13/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there's some confusion - I thought Thor was calling Fred Mensasarcastically, as Fred said the notion espoused by Thor offended him; Iagreed with Fred.My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass - pretty offensive.Fed responded:And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers aswell...So I suggested Thor join Densa...So Fredbob allen wrote: so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?Thor Burfine wrote:Actually, MensaI just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED]*Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM*To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org*Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyAnd apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers aswell...On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM*To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org*Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyThis offends me.Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snipMy feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc
Your statements were offensive, you did not care about what was being said and who you were saying it to.You would you go into a biker bar and spew offensive garbage to them? Well this situation is relatively the same. There are members who are not only from the middle east, they are *IN* the middle east. The very same middle east that you seem to write off and would bomb into history.This is an example of an Ugly American. See, people look at the crap you call opinions and they don't like you. It reflects poorly on the rest of us who care about what happens to the world (including the middle east.) Since you seem to forget that this is a worldwide listserv, you can apologize to everyone you have offended and I will forgive the misgivings. We can call it a learning expierence.fred On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just have to say, I think its rather funny that my personal beliefs cancause such a shit storm-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David PenfoldSent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:43 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etcThor,it's not overly sensitive to dislike insinuations that you would beperfectly happy to use nuclear bombs on a whole region in order to get your oil.You're a small-minded idiot.Message: 9Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:58:24 -0700From: Thor Burfine [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitivepoliticly correct are offended My work is done From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disneyso mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well... On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer *From*: Joe Street*Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyThis offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well. Thor Burfine wrote: snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass snip___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Let me get this straight...We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support... But get sidetracked into Iraq to get WMD that never existed, had limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed people in a war that would last less than 6 months and have nearly Zero casualties, to bring democracy to the middle east, and bring specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in Iraq, and have 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless Iraqi deaths, and civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 billion a month, with limited water and electrical service... etc. What were we looking for in Afganistan again?When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have started in the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. America is getting it's international backside handed to them on a platter and you say that cutting and running is a bad idea. Well, let's stay the course then, you go first.fredOn 9/11/06, Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:While I do not subscribe to your theory that all presidents are idiots, I do think that some are a lot smarter than others. When you run away froma bully, you only embolden him that much more. I hope that it DOES NOT take another 9/11 to wake folks up. Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh, PLEASE, you two. why cant we agree that all presidents are idiots no matter how many degrees they have(or dont have), and also agree that the present one has stepped in a pretty big pile. and we the people usually get caught in the middle regardless of affiliation,? this would be a REAL step in the right direction.JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gregg DavidsonTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:21 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyMike Weaver wrote:Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to borrow allthat money - what is it - 2 billion a week? And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those storiesabout WMD in Iraq! Der Schlickmeister didn't make up any stories during his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact. And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its promiseto catch Osama bin Laden. I do too. He was only interested in getting BJ's in the Oral Orifice.Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame. I'm not at fault, I wasn't dumb enough to vote for him.Gregg Davidson wrote: I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, runs the mini series anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will stand up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. */Mike Weaver /* wrote: This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the entire Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. Read it, then read my analysis of it below: September 7, 2006 Mr. Robert A. Iger President and CEO The Walt Disney Company 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank CA 91521 Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to cancel this broadcast to cease Disney's plans to use it as a teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to children would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation. The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most respected American
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Hey Weaver (Redler,)Got yer pirate costume on?fredOn 9/11/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I pick and choose - right now I believe in The Flying Spaghetti Monster and Ganesh.Jason Katie wrote: honestly i think the ancients had it better as far as religions go, because at least their gods had some friggin personality. and they had the BACCHUNAL! Jason ICQ#:154998177 MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - *From:* robert and benita rabello mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto: biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, September 11, 2006 3:53 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney MK DuPree wrote: snip interesting soliloquyMaybe all of this is random meaninglessness.Maybe.I'm satisfied, however, whatever it is or is not, all of us are connected and that it is only the devil in the details that deceives us and blinds us to, perhaps, a reality more magnificent than anything we can imagine.For some of us, sadly, this devil is the god that motivates us, making it seemingly impossible to ever attempt a real understanding of whose god? who is god? You think this way because you're THINKING.Too many people get their thoughts from somewhere else--including the pulpit, I'm sad to say--without any critical filter in place.It's ok to disagree about God, because whether or not God exists is not a question that can be answered by objective, verifiable evidence. But you're right in suggesting that an individual's god says an awful lot about who they are. Some of us like to laugh at the Greeks and Romans for their all-too-human pantheon, but maybe we ought to turn that mirror on ourselves.robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/444 - Release Date: 9/11/2006No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/444 - Release Date: 9/11/2006___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008
I am currently in Rome and Smartcars are super popular here. Scooters are almost a plague. I will get a closer look over the next few days and give you my opinion about them.On a side note I think that Smartcars are a great idea for commuting as long as everyone drives like it is an activity that we do together. If we drive against eachother it becomes a disaster. fredOn 7/2/06, mark manchester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to see these things on the highway, looks like people flying alongunder an umbrella.Surely can speed along, this is pretty much a four-wheelhooded motorcycle.Incredibly cute, though, and comfy.Very idea popular here in Toronto, but there's zero trunk space.Jesse From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 10:44:51 -0400 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008 I've been thinking that what I need would be a two seater with a fairly large storage space as I usually go downtown with servers and stuff.My Golf works ok with the seats down,but if the whole vehicle were designed for hauling small and medium loads a Smart Car design would be perfect.Now think of a diesel/electric hybrid... -Weaver AltEnergyNetwork wrote: Haken, I've seen the 2 seater up really close, took a look inside, watched it being parked in a miniscule spot, been behind one and in front of one in traffic, haven't driven one yet. They are really cool little cars. I think it is going to fill an important niche market for couriers, deliveries, fleets and businesses that like the fact that it sips thimbles of gasoline. Still, in order to wean Americans off of their obsession with suvs, it might be a good idea if the company made a heftier 4 seater utility that would appeal to the suv crowd and still sip at the pump. Image is everything and if the average joe thinks that they can get one of these green machines and still be able to lug around the stuff that they do AND save at the pump, great. It's the old having cake and eating it too syndrome but people respond to it, regards tallex Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news ---Original Message--- From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008 Sent: 02 Jul '06 08:22 Tallex, The market for 250 pound people is very much smaller in Europe than in US and I think that it is not a primary target for SMART cars. Do not only look at one, try it and you will be surprised on how spacious it is for 2 people and how well it transport/park for urban dwellers. I do however agree on the problems in US, it is little space for the oversized chip and snack packs, that seems to be the essentials for US commuters. I am not a small person 186 centimeter and 96 kilo (which is too much), but I fit well in a Smart. I did however not consider the image problem. Hakan At 09:15 02/07/2006, you wrote: That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as well and still be considered a smart car? Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there is no way you are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, they would look like circus clowns stuffed into the seats. People want utility in their vehicles and still be as efficient as possible. tallex Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news ---Original Message--- From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008 Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56 They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in Europe for quite a while. Hakan At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote: Great idea but I think that they better make a four seater for the US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in Canada and while really cool, I have a hard time imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL, regards tallex Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
Jim, Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco. Soak it in a gallon of water for a day in the sun. Strain the tobacco out and then add the dish soap. Spray it on the buggies. The nicotine is absorbed into the little critters and they die. The plants don't care either way about the stuff. I do this on the roses that I have. Works great. Another thing that I have done is grabbed the coffee can of butts that my nieghbor had. He thinks I am nutz anyway but the look on his face when I asked him for them was priceless. I soaked that for a day then strained that. Worked as well as the chewing tobacco and was free. Smelled nasty but did the trick just the same. fredOn 6/18/06, JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert,I was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one cuplemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that youhook on the end of a garden hose.At first I thought the idea sounded good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills the bad guyswhats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? What do youthink?I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers and it sure killed them and quick, but again that would not be the entire goal if the productscrews up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I knew more about bugs.Isuppose you may have some luck if you can apply it in a way that was to the single point missing everything else.Jimrobert and benita rabello wrote:Chris Lloyd wrote:Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got caught out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It wassupposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked good, smeltgood and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to start adding chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the nutrients got washed out of itbut I'm going back to rotted horse manure next year. ChrisI've found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to kill weed seeds.This also kills all of the soil fauna, which isresponsible for fertility.I made that mistake once, and since thenI've relied on my own compost.My trees are happier (though I'm STILL have insect and fruit problems) and look far more lush than they have inthe past.robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Alt Fuels Distraction
ARRGH!!!Why is everyone looking for THE ANSWER? Corn is a response, as is cellulose, as is soy for biodiesel, as is hemp, as is everything else. There will not be a single response to oil. It will be as each region can respond. fredOn 6/5/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this bothers me. people assume that corn is the only place to get ethanol.dont they read? cellulose might be better later, but corn wont ever be theanswer now.snip Corn-based ethanol is the result of an extremely energy-intensive, CO2-emitting, polluting process. Corn is grown in massive monocultures with petroleum-based herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers, which are busy accumulating in an enormous dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico. Ethanol refining plants consume enormous amounts of natural gas or coal; their product is distributed across the country in oil-burning vehicles. In the end, grain-based ethanol produces little more energy than what's required to make it, and does virtually nothing to reduce CO2 emissions. What about cellulosic ethanol, the oft-cited, eco-friendlier cousin of grain-based ethanol? Well, it's-wait for it-largely speculative, untested and at least 10 years out.snip--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 6/2/2006 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 90 Liter reactor
In other words Joe, if I am not an engineer, it should not be a problem?fredOn 6/2/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I just published the bill of materials for my 90 liter size system onwww.nonprofitfuel.ca.Under the creative commons license.NOTE:You may have to be able to read in order to find it. LOL Joe___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. dollar
Hakan, Weaver and Redler are the same person. He does this to confuse the point and disorient us all!!You want proof? Have you ever seen them together in the same room?fred On 6/1/06, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike W,If you look at my post, it was an answer toMichael Redler's post, so do not worry. We areprobably all confused by all the Mikes and itmight be good if you sign your posts withWeaver or Mike W. Maybe you should sign it with The Real Mike. LOL What you are saying in Swedish is I am oldexcept I am cleaning. Mike R. could make a lotwith this, if he understand Swedish. LOLIf you wanted to say I am old but clean it is Jag är gammal men ren. Probably you wanted tosay I am old but innocent which is Jag är gammal men oskyldig.I hope that MR understands that it was a reply to him. LOL Best wishes.HakanAt 12:56 01/06/2006, you wrote:Hakan,I think you've gotten your Mikes mixed up.I'm Mike Weaver, or Mike theElder.I didn't say any of this.Go back and check the headers. I responded to your post of a few days ago, and basically agreed withyou that the US suffers from corruption, pollution and lack of transparency.I most certainly didn't attack your English nor your grammer. I did not write this below:-Mike WeaverYou wrote: ...it is a concerted effort to try to hold the value ofthe dollar high, when it according to all financial rules and fundamentals should be much lower.So, there are no organizations or governments attempting to defendthemselves from U.S. Hegemony by trying to increase the value ofcurrencies other than the Dollar? Who's the child Hakan? You said: I find it a little bit amazing that in the text below isan attempt toblame other countries for allowing US to break all the rules.I find it amazing too - since I didn't blame other countries for anything. I find it amazing that (according to you) I can blame someonewithout using the word blame, or:culpabilityfaultguiltrapresponsibility for wrongdoing or failure I didn't say any related words like:regretremorseself-reproachshameaccountabilityliabilitycomplicityblameworthinessreprehensibleness sinfulnesscensurecondemnationdenunciation(courtesy:http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/blame http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/blame )I didn't try to excuse the U.S. from breaking all the rules.However, I did say White House policy is both self destructive andantagonistic, attracting the attention of others to attack. You also said: I do not see that US is under any attackThat one stands on it's own merit (or lack thereof). The U.S. has sobroadly alienated countries on every continent, what strategy of attack do you think is being spared - irrespective of whether or notyou can see it?My observation/speculation was related to a growing and justifiablepopular dissent against the U.S. government, occurring both insideand outside the U.S. and how it may be effecting policy decisions incountries around the world.It would be a ray of sunshine if you could save the small-minded personal attacks, address a specific observation (accurately) andexpress dissent with at least a thimble full of objectivity. I'm noteven asking for respect (although it would be nice). Others might find it useful to the conversation and you might findit helpful to your own credibility.Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, I said that I found it amazing in the text, that was copied, and referred to by you. I did not said that you blamed anyone. If it was your text, then I misunderstood your referral. I must have misunderstood you, since you now are saying that other countries defend themselves from US. I thought you said that they attacked US in a concerted manner. This is the first time that you introduce organizations and we all know that there are organizations that are trying to attack US and many other countries also. National economy is a bit more complicated and generally you cannot say that a too high evaluated currency is good for a country. In most cases an artificial high currency is not good, which US experienced for some years now. US have tried for some time now, to get some selected other countries to rise their currencies, so it didn't had to devaluate. It would have been the same thing, but looked better for the US government. It would also given US the best of both worlds and kept the others to pay an artificially high price for the dollars they needed for their energy purchases. It is many factors that tell us that US no longer deserve the responsibility to be the guardian of a world currency and some diversification to Euro and other currencies will create better stability. If you at your leisure chooses to misunderstand my choice of English words and that way take advantage of my choice of words and nationality, I will start to write Swedish in my responses to you. I do not like that you take advantage of that I try to write to you in your language and get upset/ridicule my choice of words, instead of try to understand what I want to say in a positive manner. You
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. dollar
Hakan, He's good...Really good!!fredOn 6/1/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...fair enough.Mike R Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike W,If you look at my post, it was an answer to Michael Redler's post, so do not worry. We are probably all confused by all the Mikes and it might be good if you sign your posts with Weaver or Mike W. Maybe you should sign it with The Real Mike. LOLWhat you are saying in Swedish is I am old except I am cleaning. Mike R. could make a lot with this, if he understand Swedish. LOLIf you wanted to say I am old but clean it is Jag är gammal men ren. Probably you wanted to say I am old but innocent which is Jag är gammal men oskyldig. I hope that MR understands that it was a reply to him. LOLBest wishes.HakanAt 12:56 01/06/2006, you wrote:Hakan,I think you've gotten your Mikes mixed up. I'm Mike Weaver, or Mike theElder.I didn't say any of this. Go back and check the headers.I responded to your post of a few days ago, and basically agreed with you that the US suffers from corruption, pollution and lack of transparency.I most certainly didn't attack your English nor your grammer.I did not write this below:-Mike Weaver You wrote: ...it is a concerted effort to try to hold the value ofthe dollar high, when it according to all financial rules andfundamentals should be much lower. So, there are no organizations or governments attempting to defendthemselves from U.S. Hegemony by trying to increase the value ofcurrencies other than the Dollar? Who's the child Hakan? You said: I find it a little bit amazing that in the text below isan attempt toblame other countries for allowing US to break all the rules.I find it amazing too - since I didn't blame other countries for anything. I find it amazing that (according to you) I can blame someonewithout using the word blame, or:culpabilityfaultguiltrapresponsibility for wrongdoing or failure I didn't say any related words like:regretremorseself-reproachshameaccountabilityliabilitycomplicityblameworthinessreprehensibleness sinfulnesscensurecondemnationdenunciation(courtesy:http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/blame )I didn't try to excuse the U.S. from breaking all the rules.However, I did say White House policy is both self destructive andantagonistic, attracting the attention of others to attack.You also said: I do not see that US is under any attackThat one stands on it's own merit (or lack thereof). The U.S. has sobroadly alienated countries on every continent, what strategy ofattack do you think is being spared - irrespective of whether or notyou can see it?My observation/speculation was related to a growing and justifiable popular dissent against the U.S. government, occurring both insideand outside the U.S. and how it may be effecting policy decisions incountries around the world.It would be a ray of sunshine if you could save the small-minded personal attacks, address a specific observation (accurately) andexpress dissent with at least a thimble full of objectivity. I'm noteven asking for respect (although it would be nice). Others might find it useful to the conversation and you might findit helpful to your own credibility.Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, I said that I found it amazing in the text, that was copied, and referred to by you. I did not said that you blamed anyone. If it was your text, then I misunderstood your referral. I must have misunderstood you, since you now are saying that other countries defend themselves from US. I thought you said that they attacked US in a concerted manner. This is the first time that you introduce organizations and we all know that there are organizations that are trying to attack US and many other countries also. National economy is a bit more complicated and generally you cannot say that a too high evaluated currency is good for a country. In most cases an artificial high currency is not good, which US experienced for some years now. US have tried for some time now, to get some selected other countries to rise their currencies, so it didn't had to devaluate. It would have been the same thing, but looked better for the US government. It would also given US the best of both worlds and kept the others to pay an artificially high price for the dollars they needed for their energy purchases. It is many factors that tell us that US no longer deserve the responsibility to be the guardian of a world currency and some diversification to Euro and other currencies will create better stability. If you at your leisure chooses to misunderstand my choice of English words and that way take advantage of my choice of words and nationality, I will start to write Swedish in my responses to you. I do not like that you take advantage of that I try to write to you in your language and get upset/ridicule my choice of words, instead of try to understand what I want to say in a positive manner. You can try to communicate with me in Swedish and I am quite sure that your choices of
Re: [Biofuel] more goofy questions
Hey Redler!! Nice to see you have taken the first step!On 6/1/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently in rehab for my glycerine cocktail problem.No oneshould go w/o treatment. If you have a glycerine problem, the only thing you should be concernedwith is getting help *now*!Appal Energy wrote:Many people compost the glycerine cocktail w/o any treatment. I think this is best done when KOH is used as the caustic rather than NaOH.Tom,I don't believe they're actually composting it. But they think they're composting it. The methanol fraction is toxic and the soap/oil fraction will smother almost everything. Jason Katie,At the level of home manufacture, about the best you can hope for is to create co-/waste-products that are essentially benign, as the amount of effort and infrastructure needed to refine the side-streams is phenomenal and beyond the reach of the average or above average home brewer. What you need are end products that can be disposed of without threat to the environment. Rather than seeking out the million and one possibilities and options, the suggestion would be to keep it simple. Potassium hydroxide and phosphoric acid are as simple as you can get on the base side and for FFA recovery, with sulfuric acid for the acid pre-treatment of high FFA oils.Other acid and caustic combinations only leave you with less than useful, if not toxic, salts. Todd SwearingenJason Katie wrote:i did some reading at wikipedia, and KCl, being part of the final productin splitting crude glycerine(at least with KOH and HCl), is also used as a mineral fertilizer, and can be used to cut table salt (theyre about the sameas far as toxicity goes, and it increases potassium levels and totalelectrolytes in the human body, not so bad i think) but it has many other uses in the medical world as antidotes to some poisons, and for foodpreparation(probably a preservative,yeech). is this an acceptible byproductor should i keep looking?- Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:21 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] more goofy questionsJason Katie, I'm not sure what you mean when you say clean the glycerine for compost. Many people compost the glycerine cocktail w/o any treatment. I thinkthis is best done when KOH is used as the caustic rather than NaOH.I do separate the glycerine because I produce quitea bit of BD thesedays. I'm concerned about pouring Kilo after Kilo ofcaustic, of which70%,by weight, is Potassium. Sure it's a valuable soil nutrient, but I'd like tocontrol how much is added to my garden which has done just fine onpre-BD compost. I also am attempting to recover methanol and have uses forthe other components of the mix. I used hydrochloric acid (sold in hardware stores as muriatic acid)before I was able to locate phosphoric.I did a few small test batches and got good separation. The difference will be the type of mineral salt that will precipitateout.Ex:Hydrochloric Acid+ Lye (NaOH) forms table salt and waterHCl + NaOH NaCL (table salt)+ H2O The table salt is not especially valuable; throw it out?The salt falls to the bottom and you get FFAs forming a layer on topandthe crude glycerine (+most of the excess methanol) forming a bottom layer.The FFAs and the glycerine/methanol are composed of Cs, Hs, and Os.They will decompose into CO2 and H2O. They supply nothing in the way ofsoilnutrients, but I have found that they appear to accelerate decomposition within a compost pile ...notonly a safe way to dispose of the mix, but some benefit to be gotten.KOH (during processing) and H3PO4 (split) is preferred because the salt produced is Potassium Phosphate.valuable as fertilizer. The point is that different acids can be used to split the cocktail into FFAs and crude glycerine w. methanol. Thedifference is in the salt (and its value) that is produced. Vinegar is an organic acid, which tend to be weak acids. It would take a lot of vinegar to split the cocktail.Probably more expensive than hydrochloric and I don't see that the saltproduced would have more value.***By value I don't mean financial, as in sell for profit. I dissolve some of the potassium phosphate produced by the split in waterandadd it to my compost piles. It has value as in...can be put to gooduse. Sorry to get so wordy, but your goofy question is part of asubjectthat is of great interest to me. The splitting of the cocktail may not have the financial payoff that brewing BD does, but the feeling of putting to good use what others havecalled waste productsis akin to the feeling I get when I fill thetank(s) w. BD I brewed at home. Best of luck to you, Tom- Original Message -From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:13 AM Subject: [Biofuel] more goofy questionswhat other, more available acids can be used in place of phosphoric to cleanglycerine for compost? i have been reading for three
Re: [Biofuel] CEI runs PRO CARBON DIOXIDE ADS
My current favorite t-shirt says, Dick Cheney before he Dicks you!fredOn 5/25/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Actually I know this is a bit of a joke but I bought some t-shirts lately.One is a hoody with a silhouette of the shrub and a swastika onhis forehead and the caption 'WAR CRIMINAL' another has a pic of theshrub and the caption INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST as well as the Dick is a killer t-shirt I mentioned before.I work in an educational institutionso I have to be serious about the impression I make on young minds. Iwear these shirts as often as possible.JoeKeith Addison wrote: Hi JohnKeith,An anti-Che Guevara or Pro-Ronald Reagan T-shirt would certainly getplenty of attention in my social circles -- I might just have to get one. Now, that celebrate diversity shirt is choice. I might have toactually pick one of those up.-John Aarghh! What have I done?? LOL! How about Hillary is a commie rat, can you find a use for that one? Or Anne Coulter maybe? Ulp, imagine waking up in the morning and finding such a scary lady lying next to you with her makeup coming off and her teeth in a glass. Or does she keep them sheathed like Christopher Lee. Which scary lady? I dunno, you choose. D'you think Those Shirts will give me a finder's fee? What would be the poetic thing to do with it if they did? Hard to get a laugh out of some of the military ones though. :-( Best KeithOn May 24, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Keith Addison wrote: John Beale wrote:snipI was thinking of getting one oftheir T-shirts and wearing it around, except that they aren't at all subtle.You can get a great T-shirt at Rx's websitewww.thepartyparty.com It has a pic of Dick Cheney and says Dick is a killernot sosubtleeither but IMHO we are beyond subtleties at this point! :) I'm wearing mine today!There are some great songs there too.I particularly like KGBTV andWho's the NiggaThe HIV/AIDS one is just sobering, no humour there,and Imagine is extremely clever.I wish I was that good with a waveeditor!Hey why don't we have a biofuels t shirt? Naah - try one of these:http://thoseshirts.com/Those Shirts - conservative t-shirtsKeith CheersJoe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Copyleft of biofuel information
I can get you that information... for a fee.fredOn 5/24/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ok I am ready to publish the manual and BOM for my homebrew reactor.I want to offer it under some sort of copyleft license. The GPL is wordedspecifically for software but says pretty much what I wish to say aboutthe open source and sharing of my published information i.e. that it can be freely copied and distributed but that no one can charge money forit. Does anyone on the list know of a public type license which is moreappropriate for this kind of documentation?Also I am considering how to bundle the information with the license so that it comes as part ofthe package or my website contains some sort of gateway so thatacceptance of the terms is required before download is allowed.I amreal dumb when it comes to how to set this up and am looking for help or suggestions from anyone who is savvy.HopefullyJoe___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] more canada biofuels
Hi Keith, Costs Hmmm... Return on Investments...When we start are all steep on the learning curve. Access to information is the key issue not access to the junk needed to build the processor. I did not begin to process a single drop of biodiesel until I read how to make small batches. My first batches were small. Single liter batches and scales measuring lye and methanol mixed in clear detergent bottles. PH strips for titration and some virgin corn oil. I made several batches using different oils and titrating each batch to better understand the process as I did it. The first small batches that I made probably cost under $10.00US. It turned into nice fuel. I believe my return on investment was far worth more than I put in and was evident when I burned the first batch in my little single cylinder diesel engine. I never got into biofuels because I was looking for a cheaper fuel than conventional fuels. I have always been concerned about wisely using what resources we have. It was an opportunity to remove something from the waste stream (WVO) and reuse it. Return on Investment?I have given away more biodiesel to people who want to try it than I have made for myself. I teach the basics to people who want to learn, (4 so far) and then we build a processor that will work for them (4 so far.) If they want me to make fuel for them I point them to a distributor of biodiesel and wish them luck. My time was better spent learning and teaching this than I could have imaginged. If I was looking for some financial gain from this, I am looking for the wrong thing. I believe that Ryan is looking finacial gain. Too bad for him. fred On 5/17/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello RyanI'm building the processsor and running test batchessimultaniously so I can shift to large scale as fast as possible.You said you started the wrong way round:Which is demonstrated by the fact that I have my processor just about build and haven't done a single small batch yet...I'm a rookie.Well, that's what you said, we said it was the wrong way round:Where do I start? -- Start with the process, NOT with the processor. The processor comes later.http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#startWhen you're confident that you can get good results every time, even using oil from different sources, then it's time to scale up theprocess to provide your fuel needs. Now that you have a feel for theprocess and know what to expect, you'll have a much better idea ofwhat sort of processor you want than if you'd started off building the processor (as many do) rather than learning the process first.http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#movingI can't reclaim my investment with small batches. Your investment? I'm quite interested in that, just at the moment.People are always asking about costs.What are you costing in your investment? The cost of the processor,let's see, that was only two 60-litre batches, it took two days, or a few hours over a couple of days.Building it took much longer, I'd never built such a thing before,and figuring it all out first took even longer. But I'd learnedreally a lot from people here on the list and I got that for nothing, so I don't know how to cost it. The processor works very well thoughand now lots of people have built them, and they also got it fornothing. If you took an eco-economist's view (which we'll all have totake in the end), economics that can tell a sword from a plowshare, you'd have to add all that in too somehow to be realistic about thecosts. I think that means I must be rich by now because of the freeprocessor and so on, and I'm not the only one. But if you take amoney economist's view, the prevailing one, sad to say, which indeed can't tell a sword from a plowshare, it means I'm as poor as achurchmouse, and that's the truth of it. Obviously I'm not too goodat costings, and I end up completely confused about how a personwould go about getting their investment back. Well, no need to be so complicated about it, but it's worth a thought.Do you cost your time? What do you include? That was about two monthsago you said you're a rookie. Do you include all the development timein the meantime? Would that be just time spent making test batches, finding and getting materials and so on?How about the learning curve, would you cost the time that takes?Time spent here, for instance, or at the JtF website Biodieselsection. If you do cost it, do you think we should cost it too, the ones who provide it all in various ways, including many list members,which could end up including you? Where do you draw the line?I'd appreciate your opinion, and any others too. And it was only the first batch that I felt the (unnecessary) need to reprocess that I had problems with.The one following that justtook a little extra washing (7 instead of 3-4) and the last oneturned out absolutely perfectly.I put the sum of the second two batches in my truck yesterday morning; all 0.4 gallons (~1.5L)!Butit was $1.18 I
Re: [Biofuel] more canada biofuels
Ryan, With your 8 years of education in engineering, biology, chemestry etc, etc... were you ever required to READ a manual? You have been directed to look at the available resources on numerous occasions and you have arrived here asking questions that the answers are clearly posted at Journey to Forever. You were pointed to them. There were even links. The element of responsibility has also escaped you. I don't want to get to far into that because it would be wasted. Let's just say that you are not the only one who lives on the planet and leave it at that. I am an aircraft mechanic by trade. Perhaps I should make my processor fly in order to be credible. I have converted others to the idea that they can do this without the Professional system. We need to show people that this can be done with crap, looks like crap and runs like a top. fredOn 5/17/06, Ryan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred, First, for background, I'm an engineer.It's ALL cost/gain analysis; itcan always be build better, but its not worth the cost.OK now, I'm not looking for finacial gain, but rather prevention of financial loss.Where I am in my life right now means I am driving 90+miles a day for work.I'm dropping $80 a week on diesel.PLUS, I LVEdriving.I'm a driver; pack up the wife and daughter in the truck, and take a nice long trip down the unexplored backroads for a week.If I have toeven CONSIDER not taking a vacation like this because of the fuel cost, thenthat is just beyond horrible.Once I switch to B100, no concerns.Once I switch my wife to B100, even better.I don't want to sell my biodiesel,just make enough for my family. And as far as the learning curve, not to be an ass, but mine wasn'tsteep.I've gone to college for biology, chemistry, chemical processing, and engineerring for the last,...oh-boy...8 years.So far there has beennothing involved that I haven't already done a half-dozen times in oneorganic chemistry lab or another, its just putting it all together and learning the nuances.I never got into biofuels because I was looking for a cheaper fuel thanconventional fuels.I did; not ashamed of that.I have always been concerned about wisely using what resources we have. That is just a fabulous side effect for me.And because those people Iknow, also know ME (and my background), seeing me convert to alternate fuellends creditability to it and makes them consider twice just writing it off as some hippie, greenie adventure. (no offense to you hippie, greenies onthe list, but you know as well as I do how you are sometime seen).So this brings me to cost.Yes, I could build a system using recycled parts for next to nothing; but it would look like crap (again, no offense.I am the king of function over form for almost everything).But since partof my goal is to convert others and lend creditabilty, this ENGINEER needs to build a professional looking system, worthy of the 8 years everybodyknows I spent in college for engineering. So I bought an inductor tank from a fertilized supplier instead of makingone from a 50 gallon drum (paid less than half of what the biodiesel suppliers want, though).I bought new, clean, shiny plumbing, fittings,and hot water heater, from the absolute lowest cost sources I could find.So there were costs, which will be recuperated in under 5 months in fuel savings.OK, I'm going to cut this email off, and address Keith's comments inanother, because I think that's a separate topic. RyanFrom: Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] more canada biofuels Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:36:57 -0500Hi Keith,Costs Hmmm...Return on Investments...When we start are all steep on the learning curve.Access to information isthe key issue not access to the junk needed to build the processor.I didnot begin to process a single drop of biodiesel until I read how to makesmall batches.My first batches were small.Single liter batches and scales measuring lye and methanol mixed in clear detergent bottles.PHstrips for titration and some virgin corn oil. I made several batches usingdifferent oils and titrating each batch to better understand the process as I did it.The first small batches that I made probably cost under $10.00US.Itturned into nice fuel.I believe my return on investment was far worthmorethan I put in and was evident when I burned the first batch in my little single cylinder diesel engine.I never got into biofuels because I was looking for a cheaper fuel thanconventional fuels.I have always been concerned about wisely using whatresources we have.It was an opportunity to remove something from the wastestream (WVO) and reuse it.Return on Investment?I have given away more biodiesel to people who want to try it than I havemade for myself.I teach the basics to people who want to learn, (4 so far)and then we build a processor that will work for them (4 so far.)If theywant me to make fuel for them I point them to a distributor of biodieselandwish
Re: [Biofuel] gelled rebatch
Didn't we cover that when we were talking about album covers?On 5/8/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:And what happened to the REST of the hemp plant?Appal Energy wrote: Ryan,Once, a bit over six years ago, I rather hastily put together a gallonof what I thought would be biodiesel from hempseed oil. Sure enough, itglopped out. I racked my brain as to what went wrong and could come up with nothing, believing that I'd done everything to the tee.Over the next year, we processed more than 2,000 gallons from the samestores of hempseed oil. Not a problem.The only possible reason for one small failure out of so much volume? Human error. It happens. Taking notes helps reduce the possibilities ofsuch. Racking your brain often helps resolve others.You might ask yourself what it was that made you think your first go 'round was too soapy.Todd SwearingenRyan Pope wrote:I attempeted to post this last week. Didn't come through due toglitches of some sort. *-*-*-*-*-*-*I made my first small batch last Wednesday, and it turned out OK; Ithought it had a little too much soapiness, so I reprocessed it. 100mlmethnol, 3.5g NaOH, 1.5hrs, as per directions. After settling, I had anasty lump of gelled stuff. I thought maybe it was the cold, it didget down to 45-50 F that night. Brought the jug indoors overnight.Nope, still thick. Better, but still gooey. Anyway, can you overprocess? What happens if you do?Thanks,Ryan*-*-*-*-*-*-*SINCE THEN; I'm thinking it was all the container I used. It was a LDPE container,and I think the finished diesel dissolved some plastic that the SVOthe first time didn't. Add heat, and it dissolved even more. My original question is still valid though...can you OVERprocess? Andwhat happens?And my second small trial batch is settling right now...so far so good. Ryan_Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iogen - Post to List
Hey Weaver!!I like the crackpots and cranks on the list. Todd's writing keeps me entertained for hours. And you and Redler keep me spinning. To the point where I lose track of which mike is saying what.I too am the former neighborhood crank/mad scientist now the forward thinking nutjob who might save the world. We need more of me!!fOn 5/4/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW - I have not bought ANY petro products for almost a year now exceptfor diesel on one long trip and the least amount of NG as possible for cooking and showers.I hope to go to BD heating for water, or get my BDgenerator running and use electric.I heat with wood.I went from being the neighborhood crank to having a steady stream ofvisitors and questions about BD MK DuPree wrote:Hi Keith...thanks so much for the links to info on Iogen and cellulosicethanol generally.This whole area is very new to me.Somehow I have beenblind for most of my 54 years to the extent that my lifestyle and general world view have been dependent upon and propped up by my dependence uponoil as an energy source.All of sudden I am seeing how out of my control mylife really is.And to tell you and everyone the truth, I'm damned frightened, and angry, and depressed, and then...is that my .38 overthere???Somehow I have been able to keep the madness of this world at bay,but no more, all because of rising oil prices and my subsequently felt urgency to research and find alternative energy sources.This research hasled me into the politics of the whole energy arena and ultimately a worldview that, when I include not just me and mine, but the whole freakin 6.5billion of us (and growing exponentially), has me pretty much freaked.Justanother suburban kid gone over the edge (or perhaps, more accurately, comeback from having been over the edge into dreamland into the reality of limited resources and the need for a stripped down lifestyle that takes intoaccount the full extent of my actions).This side of the edge, however,isn't something I can easily make my own, because, it appears to me, if I am going to be able to truly regain what little sense of my self I might trulypossess, I must be willing to put my tent on my back and just simply beginto wander and then keep wandering until I fall over dead (can't stop by the local Salvation Army for refreshment...that would only be dipping my toeback over the edge into dreamland again).Is this clear...or am I comingoff as the probable lunatic I might really be??? Anyway, so I am curious about your own comments.I'm still readingthrough all the articles connected to the links you have shared, so maybe myquestions will be answered along the way.Nonetheless, I want to ask them here: 1) in regards to how well industrial-scale processes fit rationalbiofuels production, would you please explain in more detail? Also, perhapslead me to a model industrial-scale process that DOES fit rational biofuels production?My immediate response to this has to do with a main point Ihave observed in my own interest in making biofuel: that this is notsomething me and all of my neighbors can do individually for various reasons, but especially because of limited feedstock and difficulty ofdistribution.Democracy does not extend to the realm of limited resources.I believe packaging of product for individuals has promoted this appearance. Consequently, it appears to me (and I could still be very blind on thispoint), we need some level of industrial-scale processes; and 2) will youplease explain further how gobbling up crop wastes is done at the expense of soil fertility maintenance?Please understand, I am in NO WAY trying tobe argumentative.I really am profoundly concerned about our worldsituation today and how I can be on the helpful side of it all (knapsack and all???).I don't have that much time left on the planet, and I'd like to godown swinging.Thanks.Mike- Original Message -From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:17 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Iogen - Post to List Hi MikeHi...I'd like to hear the list's opinion about the process developedby Iogen to produce cellulosic ethanol.Goldman Sachs announced yesterday (May 1) an investment of $30million Canadian in thecompany.Royal Dutch/Shell, Petro-Canada, and the Canadian Gov'thave also all partnered with or are supporting Iogen. The first article below, by Sam Jaffe, an editor with TheScientist magazine, discusses cellulosic ethanol as well as a fuelcell developed by Lanny Scmidt.The second link is to the Iogen website itself.Thanks.Mikehttp://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0407.jaffe.html http://www.iogen.ca/Here's some previous discussion:http://snipurl.com/pxs2biofuelSearch results for 'iogen' 94 matchesEthanol from cellulosehttp://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#cellulose Maybe it'll get off the ground now, it's been around for years andnothing happens. Like all the other ethanol-from-cellulose projects.What bothers me
Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?
Ahh yes... Back in the day when everyone had a turntable.Take off... To the Great White North!!andThe Twelve Days of Christmas. On a related note, I had to share with one of my student workers what an album was. It seems the newest generation of kids are not familiar with such things as album art or liner notes or the fact that they are fragile. fredOn 4/20/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's from playing the Bob and Doug Mckenzie Christmas album over and over and:-)Mike Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always wondered why you sound so funny when you talk... Michael Redler wrote: Don't worry Fred. Todd certainly has a talent for stringing words together and having it mean something. But, as long as you get your point across, it's all good. BTW, I've always felt that in order to use the full range of a language, one needs to look beyond their dictionary and incorporate a little grit (broken beer bottle) every now and then. :-) Mike */Fred Finch /* wrote: Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought of a broken beer bottle. Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental midget here! Damn fine writing! fred [snip] ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Okay, I wasn't going to go there but since you did, a friend of a friend used The Who double album Tommy. Good listening too...fredOn 4/20/06, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:yeah, a friend of a friend, certainly not me, says that cleaning pot on a CD jewel case is just too difficult...Fred Finch wrote: Ahh yes...Back in the day when everyone had a turntable. Take off...To the Great White North!! and The Twelve Days of Christmas. On a related note, I had to share with one of my student workers what an album was.It seems the newest generation of kids are not familiar with such things as album art or liner notes or the fact that they are fragile. fred On 4/20/06, *Michael Redler* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's from playing the Bob and Doug Mckenzie Christmas album over and over and :-) Mike */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I always wondered why you sound so funny when you talk... Michael Redler wrote: Don't worry Fred. Todd certainly has a talent for stringing words together and having it mean something. But, as long as you get your point across, it's all good. BTW, I've always felt that in order to use the full range of a language, one needs to look beyond their dictionary and incorporate a little grit (broken beer bottle) every now and then. :-) Mike */Fred Finch /* wrote: Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought of a broken beer bottle. Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental midget here! Damn fine writing! fred [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ --Bob Allenhttp://ozarker.org/bobScience is what we have learned about how to keepfrom fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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On 4/20/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was he double-jointed?No, he needed to re-hash his decisions daily though.fredBTW, happy 4/20 (or 4/21 for keith) I forgot it is tomorrow there already. I miss the album art.KeithfredOn 4/20/06, bob allen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, a friend of a friend, certainly not me, says that cleaning pot ona CD jewel case is just too difficult...Fred Finch wrote: Ahh yes...Back in the day when everyone had a turntable. Take off...To the Great White North!! and The Twelve Days of Christmas. On a related note, I had to share with one of my student workers what an album was.It seems the newest generation of kids are not familiar with such things as album art or liner notes or the fact that they are fragile. fred On 4/20/06, *Michael Redler* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's from playing the Bob and Doug Mckenzie Christmas album over and over and :-) Mike*/Mike Weaver mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I always wondered why you sound so funny when you talk...snip___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Say Bobby...Do you feel safe now?fredOn 4/19/06, Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. I wouldfeel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House...From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] You were saying? Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:47:29 -0700Hakan Falk wrote: US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stay after his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last trick. I doubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left other than the hope that next election will be more kind to the world. Are you kidding?We could have Jeb, then Neil, then Marvin, and after them, Jenna and Barbara.We could have a Bush family dynastyfor better than 50 years over here!robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought of a broken beer bottle.Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental midget here!Damn fine writing!fred On 5/10/06, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice sarcasm there Bobby. Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it.Would be interesting to see precisely what you base that remark on other than the pablam you've apparently nursed on from clowns such asLimbrain, entertainment programs such as Fox News or web sites such asSwift Boat Vets who wouldn't know truth if it bit them square on bothbutt cheeks. As if the wrong-thinking of a mentally challenged puppet hiding behind acrown of thorns, whose decisions are set to disembowel clean water andair, efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels, have embroiled all nations, killed untold tens-of-thousands in a wrongfully prosecuted war,brought the country closer to a state of economic collapse, and panderedto the single issue voter instead of the total country he was supposed to serve and protect is a standard to be held in high regard.I'd say something about twisted logic. But the appearance is that logicplayed no role in your comment.Todd SwearingenBobby Clark wrote: Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn'tmake a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. I wouldfeel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House... From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:47:29 -0700Hakan Falk wrote: US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stayafter his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last trick. Idoubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left other than the hope that next election will be more kind to the world.Are you kidding?We could have Jeb, then Neil, then Marvin, andafter them, Jenna and Barbara.We could have a Bush family dynasty for better than 50 years over here!robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hey Mike, My response was not an attempt to root out any political leanings either. I merely asked a question. Personally I hate both parties because ultimately the are the same. I just hate one more right now because they are the ones holding all the cards. fredOn 4/19/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's give Bobby the benefit of the doubt.He's had negative comments about the Democrats. I'm waiting to see if he has something good to say about Bush and the Republicans. Personally, I have no loyalty toward either andI sometimes find it difficult to see the difference between the two, despite the bit of theater they put on from time to time. MikeFred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say Bobby...Do you feel safe now?fred On 4/19/06, Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. I wouldfeel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House...[snip] ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Somehow Week Whacker seems fitting too!On 5/10/06, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make that weed whacker.Appal Energy wrote:Well don't call me brilliant. Now I know what a glaive is where I didn't before - a poor man's week wacker, eh?Todd SwearingenFred Finch wrote:Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought of a broken beer bottle.Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental midget here!Damn fine writing!fredOn 5/10/06, *Appal Energy* [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Nice sarcasm there Bobby. Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nationdepended on it. Would be interesting to see precisely what you base that remark onotherthan the pablam you've apparently nursed on from clowns such asLimbrain, entertainment programs such as Fox News or web sites such as Swift Boat Vets who wouldn't know truth if it bit them square on bothbutt cheeks.As if the wrong-thinking of a mentally challenged puppet hidingbehind a crown of thorns, whose decisions are set to disembowel clean water andair, efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels, haveembroiled allnations, killed untold tens-of-thousands in a wrongfully prosecuted war,brought the country closer to a state of economic collapse, andpanderedto the single issue voter instead of the total country he wassupposed to serve and protect is a standard to be held in high regard.I'd say something about twisted logic. But the appearance is thatlogicplayed no role in your comment. Todd SwearingenBobby Clark wrote:Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in officethat couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended onit. I wouldfeel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House... From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:47:29 -0700Hakan Falk wrote: US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stayafter his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last trick. Idoubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left otherthanthe hope that next election will be more kind to the world. Are you kidding?We could have Jeb, then Neil, thenMarvin, andafter them, Jenna and Barbara.We could have a Bush family dynasty for better than 50 years over here!robert luis rabelloThe Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives(50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 4/18/2006___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives
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I resemble that remark!!On 4/19/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always wondered why you sound so funny when you talk...Michael Redler wrote: Don't worry Fred. Todd certainly has a talent for stringing words together and having it mean something. But, as long as you get your point across, it's all good. BTW, I've always felt that in order to use the full range of a language, one needs to look beyond their dictionary and incorporate a little grit (broken beer bottle) every now and then. :-) Mike */Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought of a broken beer bottle. Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental midget here! Damn fine writing! fred On 5/10/06, *Appal Energy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice sarcasm there Bobby. Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. Would be interesting to see precisely what you base that remark on other than the pablam you've apparently nursed on from clowns such as Limbrain, entertainment programs such as Fox News or web sites such as Swift Boat Vets who wouldn't know truth if it bit them square on both butt cheeks. As if the wrong-thinking of a mentally challenged puppet hiding behind a crown of thorns, whose decisions are set to disembowel clean water and air, efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels, have embroiled all nations, killed untold tens-of-thousands in a wrongfully prosecuted war, brought the country closer to a state of economic collapse, and pandered to the single issue voter instead of the total country he was supposed to serve and protect is a standard to be held in high regard. I'd say something about twisted logic. But the appearance is that logic played no role in your comment. Todd Swearingen [snip]___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bring the Sixties Out of the Closet
Hi Keith and everyone, If I could jump in on the subject of people having kids for a moment...I have friends who are great teachers. Of them, a large portion of them do not have children by choice. They love teaching but having kids of their own is not part of the equation. Teaching requires continual learning and less time for personal pursuits. Children, for them, would remove the ability and freedom to teach. I have always felt that Keith is a great teacher. Taking information and presenting it to everyone in a concise form that we all can use and understand. This does not make a great teacher a great parent. Also, I was raised on Frank Zappa. The first album that I was allowed to buy was Hot Rats.Music from the factories of mass consumption had no appeal for me. I remember listening to Iggy Pop and the Stooges - Raw Power when I was eight years old and watching my mother cringe. In the era of Disco, the Sex Pistols was the perfect antidote. Mom hated that one.All my life music has been different than the big box, money making machine that we are forced to endure on broadcast radio. But I digress...fredfredOn 4/14/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi again Jessesnip (Off-topic??? Grrr!) Sure, just as long as you're blithe about it. I see your Grrr!What, the care and future of the planet is not off-topic,eh?Good point.I guess I was confining my thinking to the Title.Well, that too.snip Balance of idealism and practicality indeed.But what kid is practical? Bringing up the question of when is it that human beings become1) aware of their mortaility2) humbled by it3) able to get anybody to listen to them. Okay, I'll try, though how would I know... When it's too late? Or just in time maybe.This is IMHE the prevailing feeling among very many 20-somethings.A sortof terrible urgency, bordering on despair. But that doesn't strike me as inappropriate right now. This is about the Sixties. Don't trust anyone over 30! they used to say in the Sixties. LOL! But it's a lot easier to get taken seriously after you're 30, suddenly you find you don't have to bother about it much anymore. Hopefully there's still something left by then. You know the old saying: If you're not a liberal when you're 25 there's something wrong with you; if you're still a liberal when you're 35 there's something wrong with you. But that's the if-you-can't-beat-them-join-them school of being taken seriously. Yes, the hard line. Psychologists have said 80% or something of people don't show any significant further character development after the age of 25. So maybe your answer is 25. But idealism? They want to change the world? Not 25 then, not if you're talking of the creative minority. But who'd want to be part of the creative minority anyway? Ahead of their time, out of step with everyone else, and totally essential. Yuk. And never taken seriously. Every peasant village has its innovator farmer, he tinkers with stuff, tries it this way and that way and finds some better answers, but everyone else laughs at him. But it turns out that when their sons grow up and take over they do it the tinker's way, and when someone new suggests something different they say Naah, you're nuts, this is the way our grandfathers and great-grandfathers always did it and it's good enough for us.Why do people forget that?Don't know. Maybe it wouldn't work so well otherwise.My mother was herself arrested in a political demonstration, yet is deeply horrified that my daughter would expose herselfto the possibility.Okay, I guess she sees it as a low point in herpolitical career.I got arrested too, in a different sort of political demonstration, but it's just something that happened.There's no dishonour in such an arrest. But there's also RachelCorrie, and a hell of a lot of other people. That's something to beconcerned about. When my friends and I started turning about 50 we started saying things like this, with some dismay: But the more I learn the less I know! LOL! At least it's a bit humble. A guy I worked for once told me I'm the sort of person who never stops learning, which kind of startled me at the time. He wasn't being nice, he was angry with me. With any luck I'll go on knowing less and less until finally I know nothing at all - nirvana! It makes you think of the 80% who stop at 25, maybe it's learning that they stop doing. Well, I have no argument with them at all, and it doesn't have to stop them growing old and wise, and graceful, it seeps in by osmosis anyway. Hope so. Kids, I guess if you just love them it'll all turn out the way it should, imsh'allah. But loving them can be really uphill work, they can sure be hard to like at times. It probably doesn't matter though because the chemo-psychological effects or whatever of the act of having them in the first place turns their parents permanently somewhat nuts so they go right on loving them anyway no matter what, fool me twice doesn't
Re: [Biofuel] Greenhouse theory - smashed by biggest stone
Is that the same as one of those drive through liquor stores?On 3/28/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I go to one of those drive-through churches.robert luis rabello wrote: Mike Weaver wrote:Sorry, dude.You lost me at the reading part. Oh, that's right.You didn't hear it from the pulpit . . . I'm doing the praise service at church this weekend.Wanna come upand hear me talk about environmental stewardship?robert luis rabelloThe Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Around Skagit Valley
Hi Bill,Keith is right. Start with small baby steps. Do not just learn how to do it, learn what is happening. Treat each success (and failure) as a learning expierence. *Watch* what you are doing. Gradually, increase batch volume. Learn, learn, learn. Failure is part of the fun!!! Do not be afraid of failure!I learn best by watching too, but no one can meet my schedule for completing such tasks. And for God's Sakes, have fun doing it!fred On 3/24/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello BillOk, enough watching the list.As the price of fuel has steadilyincreased I have been gathering containers, pumps, hoses and fittings.and am ready to pursue gathering and manufacturing process. My dilemma is that although I have been reading/research and so forth,I learn better through observation and hands on.(Guess I'm afraid offailure.)A lot of people have told me that but they manage just fine anyway in the end. I think you might be making a mistake though:Where do I start?Start with the process, NOT with the processor. The processor comes later.-- Make your own biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#startReally.BestKeithSo my question: Is there is someone around Mount Vernon, WA,who wouldbe willing to show me their operation and allow me to watch the process and ask questions?especially with raw chemicals.I have read/heard of some commercial operation in bellingham.Don'tknow where and I haven't found it yet.This would be ok but they don'toperate the same as us backyard guys.(or do they??) Thanks in advanceBill Thomas___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Adventures in Composting
Hi Keith, I have a strong Scandinavian background and we have our own version of Honne and tatemae. It is much like a poker face and slight smile. With that you can do anything and no one can tell if you are happy or miserable. Hardest in our family was trying to figure out if my father was upset or overjoyed. You could never tell. I have the same characteristic. Walmart is crap and cheap crap at that. The Chinese machine that I purchased is good enough to get the job done but then I feel like I bought it at Walmart.As for American Made... I guess I am just nostalgic for the idea that there was quality with products built here. At that is the illusion. I have several briggs and stratton machines. I plan to jet them and will run them on ethanol. And...I like Yanmar quality. Thanks for the scooter link. Now where did I put that old Triumph frame...fredOn 1/30/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi FredIf I arrange a week in Japan scavenging the junk piles to makeAmerica great again would be worth the sweat and the hassle ofmoving the stuff.:-) Not so fast, you'd have to do your tatemae first, pay yer respects and build your networks.http://www.mynippon.com/RomanceNews0201/story12.htmHonne and tatemae: Japanese behavioral patternsI am trying to avoid the Walmart (Chinese) crap as much as I can. But when it comes down to it I needed one to begin playing out someideas I have had for scooters and sawmills.But it's usually not crap. Well, I've never been in a Walmart, butthis stuff costs about half the going rate or less and it lasts for two years of rough treatment or longer, which can be strongarguments, when it comes down to it.It was nice when made in America meant something.Or when it meant something different maybe. But have Americans themselves really changed that much? It's hard to believe you needother people's junk, especially when you have so much excellent junkof your own. Also hard to believe that you 'Merkins aren't as capablenow as you always were, because some of you certainly are. Couldn't American small enterprise make a better YanMar rip-off justas cheap and fair-trade too? Even if it wasn't just as cheap I bet alot of Americans would buy it anyway. Why not scavenge old Briggs and Stratton engines instead, get them running better and cleaner, on 160ethanol or something.On the other hand...A motorcycle enthusiast's guide to low speed, miniscule accelerationand about zero power, but fun fun fun :) Riding on Salad Oil / Vegetable Oil / Biodiesel / Diesel / oldmotoroil / whatever ...Ingredients: one stripped Royal-Enfield Bullet 500 motorcycle, addone 406cc, single cylinder, direct injection Yanmar L100 diesel engine (or chinese clone - Kama KM186, Changfa, etc).http://www.altmann.haan.de/riding_on_salad_oil/default.htmYanmar air-cooled diesel engines, L-A Series, seven models from 2.5-7.4kW (3.4-10hp)2Mb pdf:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/yanmar.pdfBestKeithfred On 1/29/06, Keith Addison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Fred Say Keith, if you ever find too many of those old Yanmar diesels, is there a way to ship them here?All I can find are the Chinese knock off''s. That's what you get for living in such a rich country, WalMart andcheapo Chinese stuff, LOL! Um, sorry. (We also have this problem herewith Chinese gear that you probably shouldn't buy but it can be hard not to.)I'm sure there'd be a way to ship old Yanmars there, but it would bedifficult. Trouble is I can barely lift a Yanmar diesel engine, it'stoo heavy, it takes two to carry it and it's still too heavy, you can't carry it far. (Well maybe you could Fred!) Getting the thingout of whatever it's in (usually they're in something) would takeboth of us, which really ups the ante as far as time is concerned. Right now we could only do that if we absolutely had to have thething ourselves or all our dominos would fall over. That aside, oncehaving got it, shipping it would mean getting a freight company to come here and collect the Yanmar and then do everything else, which Idon't think would be cheap. That's without finding out first how wellit works or how long it's likely to run, and you can't get parts there.I saw a lovely old Kubota diesel cultivator the other day, inKubota's junkyard behind their shop in a town not too far from here.It was in great condition, it was even clean! Much better condition than our Yanmar actually, and very similar, same vintage. I thoughtof the Yanmar cultivator, and I thought of Robert and his shredder inCanada, and I thought of what I had to do that day, and I left it there. It won't be there now, you have to do it right then, not wait,or it's gone next time. But when I thought of Robert I could only seeproblems that would cost too much money.Damn. Sorry to be so discouraging. Ask me for something I can carry Fred! I'll be happy to help if I can, though it might take a bit oftime.RegardsKeith fred On 1/27/06, Keith Addison mailto:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL
Re: [Biofuel] Adventures in Composting
If I arrange a week in Japan scavenging the junk piles to make America great again would be worth the sweat and the hassle of moving the stuff.I am trying to avoid the Walmart (Chinese) crap as much as I can. But when it comes down to it I needed one to begin playing out some ideas I have had for scooters and sawmills. It was nice when made in America meant something.fredOn 1/29/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi FredSay Keith,if you ever find too many of those old Yanmar diesels, is there a way to ship them here?All I can find are the Chinese knock off''s.That's what you get for living in such a rich country, WalMart andcheapo Chinese stuff, LOL! Um, sorry. (We also have this problem here with Chinese gear that you probably shouldn't buy but it can be hardnot to.)I'm sure there'd be a way to ship old Yanmars there, but it would bedifficult. Trouble is I can barely lift a Yanmar diesel engine, it's too heavy, it takes two to carry it and it's still too heavy, youcan't carry it far. (Well maybe you could Fred!) Getting the thingout of whatever it's in (usually they're in something) would takeboth of us, which really ups the ante as far as time is concerned. Right now we could only do that if we absolutely had to have thething ourselves or all our dominos would fall over. That aside, oncehaving got it, shipping it would mean getting a freight company tocome here and collect the Yanmar and then do everything else, which I don't think would be cheap. That's without finding out first how wellit works or how long it's likely to run, and you can't get partsthere.I saw a lovely old Kubota diesel cultivator the other day, in Kubota's junkyard behind their shop in a town not too far from here.It was in great condition, it was even clean! Much better conditionthan our Yanmar actually, and very similar, same vintage. I thoughtof the Yanmar cultivator, and I thought of Robert and his shredder in Canada, and I thought of what I had to do that day, and I left itthere. It won't be there now, you have to do it right then, not wait,or it's gone next time. But when I thought of Robert I could only seeproblems that would cost too much money. Damn. Sorry to be so discouraging. Ask me for something I can carryFred! I'll be happy to help if I can, though it might take a bit oftime.RegardsKeithfredOn 1/27/06, Keith Addison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:Hi Robert Hello everyone! I like what my power shredder does to the organic material around my property, but I HATE operating the thing.It's hard to start, bogs easily and burns an awful lot of fuel for such a small engine . . . I've been wanting to ask ever since. Didn't you forget to say itstinks? I've been grousing at our chainsaws because they use too muchfuel and they stink. But they start easily, highly important with pull-start engines, IMHO. Fuel ethanol would solve both theconsumption and stink problems but it fails to attract if it's goingto be a hassle to start the thing, maybe there are ways to solve that though (not that we have any fuel ethanol yet anyway).Didn't you decide on fitting it with an electric motor? Could you usea belt-drive with it?I keep thinking you need one of these old Yanmar diesels, like the one that powers our shredder.http://journeytoforever.org/compost_shred.htmlhttp://journeytoforev er.org/compost_shred.htmlCompost shredderIt starts immediately (hand-crank and decompressor, and a squirt ofgasoline), even when it's cold, it sips biodiesel, it doesn't stink and it works just fine. It's 3.5 hp. There's another one in ourrotavator (cultivator), it works just the same, never a problem. Therotavator's at least 30 years old. I really enjoy using it. (Only we don't use it for rotavating.) We had another old 3.5 hp Yanmar, justthe same, in an old rice combine. Nice old machine, small, you walkedbehind it like a cultivator. It was junked though and we're never going to need a rice combine anyway, and we needed the space it wasfilling, so we gave it to a junk dealer, then he agreed to take awhole lot of other junk too that didn't have any value. I'm sure the Yanmar would have started up first time. It seems you find themeasily here in Japan and in many 3rd World countries but not in theother industrialised countries, just the Chinese Yanmar rip-offs. I really like the old shredder too. I resurrected it from a twisted,rusty, broken and seized pile of junk, and it just does the job.We've put tons of stuff through it, not just for compost, also large amounts of mulch. Actually we have another one too, similar but witha different action. We found it buried in a corner of one of oursheds, but I haven't hitched it to the Yanmar yet. Anyway, here's the gist of my post for today.Using the power compost method I find that I have way more compost in a relatively short time than I've ever had available before.Does that mean you have to find way more materials too? I put shredded material (mostly cuttings from our garden and
Re: [Biofuel] Adventures in Composting
Say Keith, if you ever find too many of those old Yanmar diesels, is there a way to ship them here? All I can find are the Chinese knock off''s.fredOn 1/27/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi RobertHello everyone! I like what my power shredder does to the organic material around myproperty, but I HATE operating the thing.It's hard to start, bogseasily and burns an awful lot of fuel for such a small engine . . . I've been wanting to ask ever since. Didn't you forget to say itstinks? I've been grousing at our chainsaws because they use too muchfuel and they stink. But they start easily, highly important withpull-start engines, IMHO. Fuel ethanol would solve both the consumption and stink problems but it fails to attract if it's goingto be a hassle to start the thing, maybe there are ways to solve thatthough (not that we have any fuel ethanol yet anyway).Didn't you decide on fitting it with an electric motor? Could you use a belt-drive with it?I keep thinking you need one of these old Yanmar diesels, like theone that powers our shredder.http://journeytoforever.org/compost_shred.html Compost shredderIt starts immediately (hand-crank and decompressor, and a squirt ofgasoline), even when it's cold, it sips biodiesel, it doesn't stinkand it works just fine. It's 3.5 hp. There's another one in our rotavator (cultivator), it works just the same, never a problem. Therotavator's at least 30 years old. I really enjoy using it. (Only wedon't use it for rotavating.) We had another old 3.5 hp Yanmar, justthe same, in an old rice combine. Nice old machine, small, you walked behind it like a cultivator. It was junked though and we're nevergoing to need a rice combine anyway, and we needed the space it wasfilling, so we gave it to a junk dealer, then he agreed to take awhole lot of other junk too that didn't have any value. I'm sure the Yanmar would have started up first time. It seems you find themeasily here in Japan and in many 3rd World countries but not in theother industrialised countries, just the Chinese Yanmar rip-offs.I really like the old shredder too. I resurrected it from a twisted, rusty, broken and seized pile of junk, and it just does the job.We've put tons of stuff through it, not just for compost, also largeamounts of mulch. Actually we have another one too, similar but witha different action. We found it buried in a corner of one of our sheds, but I haven't hitched it to the Yanmar yet. Anyway, here's the gist of my post for today.Using the powercompost method I find that I have way more compost in a relatively short time than I've ever had available before.Does that mean you have to find way more materials too?I put shreddedmaterial (mostly cuttings from our garden and vegetable stems that are tough) into the top of my plastic composter and unload material fromthe bottom.(We also put in all of our kitchen scraps, and the wastefrom our bunny cage.)What's the volume of the plastic composter? It gets warm, compared to the atmosphere aroundit, but I think it's still too wet to really get hot.(And once theweather turned cool, I stopped putting organic compost enhancementliquid on the pile.) It could have used the N but not the extra liquid.When I shovel compost from the bottom of thebin, it has a sweet, earthy smell to itGood test.and aside from the remnants of straw residue (which doesn't break down very well, even after it'sgone through the shredderStraw's not so easy, it needs a special microorganism. The mostpromising results were obtained when the straw was subjected to the action of a culture of an aerobic cellulose decomposing organism(Spirochoeta cytophaga), whose activities were found to depend on themineral substances present in the culture fluid. The essentialfactors in the production of well-rotted farmyard manure [ie compost] from straw were found to be: air supply; a suitable temperature, anda small amount of soluble combined nitrogen. The fermentation wasaerobic; the breakdown of the straw was most rapid in a neutral orslightly alkaline medium in the presence of sufficient available nitrogen. Urine, urea, ammonium carbonate and peptone (within certainconcentrations) were all useful forms of combined nitrogen. (Ahem.)Too much moisture, not enough air supply.To make thermophilic (hot) compost you'd need more dry browns (on the C side of the C:N ratio) and maybe more bulk. And it's probablyeasier to get it working right when you make it all at once insteadof filling the bin up steadily.You're making mesophilic compost, and it's being quite quick about it because the worms are finishing the job at the bottom. Important tohave this kind of compost in contact with the earth (withthermophilic compost you might have it off the ground to provide airsupply from underneath). Compost like this is just fine, but the quantity is often too low.How much are you producing? Approx average volume per year, say? Alsoit won't kill weed seeds, and there are other things too that won't be killed at those
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
hehe, a beaver of mass destruction!!LOL!fredOn 1/17/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Paul Webber wrote: The US hasn't been warmongering after Canada for the past 5 years. And it's a damn good thing too.Believe me none of us want to have togo down there AGAIN and kick their butts like we did the last four timesthey got unruly and we wouldn't want to be forced to burn down their parliament buildings AGAIN either! Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Most people cannot think of a good reason Canada would want nuclear weapons.Well we do have a very ferocious rodent we call the turbo beaver. This is the nefarious creature that appears on the 5 cent peice and legendhas it that they have a leader of enormous proportions that resides inthe vicinity of Sudbury.Dynamite is only resonably effective indealing with the dams these buggers build seemingly overnight.It would be nice to have something a tad stronger you know.Joe___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
More than you know!!!On 1/17/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You KNOW her? Fred Finch wrote: hehe, a beaver of mass destruction!! LOL! fred On 1/17/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Webber wrote: The US hasn't been warmongering after Canada for the past 5 years. And it's a damn good thing too.Believe me none of us want to have to go down there AGAIN and kick their butts like we did the last four times they got unruly and we wouldn't want to be forced to burn down their parliament buildings AGAIN either! Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Most people cannot think of a good reason Canada would want nuclear weapons. Well we do have a very ferocious rodent we call the turbo beaver. This is the nefarious creature that appears on the 5 cent peice and legend has it that they have a leader of enormous proportions that resides in the vicinity of Sudbury.Dynamite is only resonably effective in dealing with the dams these buggers build seemingly overnight.It would be nice to have something a tad stronger you know. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Geeky process question
Say Joe, Wouldn't be appropraite if you put Bob Allen - Geeky process question in the heading? fredOn 1/9/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob;I notice you are very sharp on the chemistry so I have a question foryou regarding the biodiesel process. Copying to list as well.I amwondering if in these processes where you have two phases that separate does the separation proceed over time by an exponential decay?I meanif I measured the amount of say glycerine that comes out per unit oftime would it be described by a function something like Y= X(1-e^-t/tc) where Y would be the amount of glycerine at a given time, X is the totalamount which will ever settle out, t is the time interval and tc sometime constant for the reaction conditions?If this IS the case then what factors would dictate tc??Where I am going with this is that inelectronics we use this formula to describe the charging of acapacitor.Basically after a period of time equal to five timeconstants there is already 99% of the maximum you will ever get in the capacitor.I am trying to determine a cutoff point for settling inorder to optimize the process in terms of time, without raisingcontamination levels in the final product unduely.Am I on the righttrack here?Sorry but I am not trained in chemistry. Joe___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!
Hey Joe, Long winter in the Great White North, eh?fredOn 1/3/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike; I would like to know more. I have lots of ideas too, like peel and stick butter. Imagine a thin square of butter that fits perfectly on your bread on release paper. Just peel and stick. Ring shapes are for bagels. Or you know those moist towlettes they give you in a restaurant for cleaning your fingers after gorging yourself on hot wings? How about a moist towlette with suscreen in it for the beach rather than carrying around a whole bottle? What about a Blackberry unit with built in PEZ dispenser, maybe you could have a _javascript_ running which would let you know when the PEZ is running low, to save face in social situations, or what about a bar that offers hot rocks? Yes hot rocks. Imagine coming in on a cold winter day after a hard ride on the sled, and ordering up a platter of heated stones to place in the middle of your table so you and your buddies can sit around and warm your hands and faces while sucking back a cold pint? Almost like a sauna on demand. You could order takeout and take them home to stick in your bed! What about an alarm that goes off to warn you when you are about to stick your foot in your mouth? or how about a diaper with a flashing light to let you know when you've got work to do ( or the person looking after you does!).so many ideas..so little time..ahh Joe Mike Weaver wrote: I have a few notions that I believe are probably patentable. I talked to a good family friend who is a patent lawyer and he agreed. However, the issue is more in being able to afford the patent work, and the inevitable lawsuits that will follow. After the past few years,I have begun to believe that the best thing to do is to publish or license the works under an open or creative commons license. If I get off my duff and make a product, I can sell it, and anyone else can too.Anyone have any experience with this?Is the Appleseed processor under this sort of patent?-Mike Robert Carr wrote: Yep, that is real good, this ad is well put together. but I for one resentpeople trying to make money out of info that others have made available forfreeHow about filling this guys ebay mailbox with crap? I have already done my bit lol (nothing nasty or abusive though)- Original Message -From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!! Wow. Glad I'm not one of those biodiesel crackpots. Errr.Um.NevermindRemember. Don't share this with your friends.On 12/25/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too good not to share, or, is this why people think we are crackpots? http://cgi.ebay.com/BioDiesel-Made-Easy-Manual-Book-Make-your-own-from-home_ W0QQitemZ4599779724QQcategoryZ378QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Or, look up item 4599779724 on ebay.Too funnyHappy Holidays,Mike___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!
I saw dehydrated water for sale at the BWCA outfitters in the mid-1970's. It was in cans with specific instructions on how to use it. It sat on the shelf along with all the other dehydrated food stores.Been developed!! fredOn 1/3/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey! I thought of dehydrated water way back in the '70s but didn't develop it. I have prior art. J Mike Weaver wrote: No way, Redler. I'm on to you. You already stole my Biodiesel plans and sold them on Ebay. And what about my dehydrated water? You said you needed to see the plan before you invested and now I see Redler's Dehydrated Water - Just Add Water everywhere.You're not going to fool me again.-WeaverMichael Redler wrote: */Anyone have any experience with this?/* I went throught the patent process *(US 6,897,423) *and you're right, it's a big deal. No one should commit to it unless they are sure it's necessary. I also think you're right about owning IP without a patent. The first to invent system in the US is unique and allows the common citizen to participate in developing innovations without the (seemingly limitless) resources of a large corporation. You only need documentation proving when you first had the idea and that you have shown due diligence in developing it. Unfortunately, there are negotiations underway for a harmonization treaty. This means we may be conforming with the rest of the world in a first to file system which puts inventors in a race to the patent office. Finally, if you want to establish some limited protection at the patent office, ask your attorney about a provisional patent application. Good luck! Mike*/Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:Hey Joe,Long winter in the Great White North, eh?fredOn 1/3/06, *Joe Street* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Mike;I would like to know more. I have lots of ideas too, like peel and stick butter. Imagine a thin square of butter thatfits perfectly on your bread on release paper. Just peel andstick. Ring shapes are for bagels. Or you know those moisttowlettes they give you in a restaurant for cleaning your fingers after gorging yourself on hot wings? How about amoist towlette with suscreen in it for the beach rather thancarrying around a whole bottle? What about a Blackberry unitwith built in PEZ dispenser, maybe you could have a JAVA script running which would let you know when the PEZ isrunning low, to save face in social situations, or what abouta bar that offers hot rocks? Yes hot rocks. Imagine comingin on a cold winter day after a hard ride on the sled, and ordering up a platter of heated stones to place in the middleof your table so you and your buddies can sit around and warmyour hands and faces while sucking back a cold pint? Almost like a sauna on demand. You could order takeout and take themhome to stick in your bed! What about an alarm that goes offto warn you when you are about to stick your foot in yourmouth? or how about a diaper with a flashing light to let you know when you've got work to do ( or the person looking afteryou does!).so many ideas..so little time..ahhJoeMike Weaver wrote: I have a few notions that I believe are probably patentable. I talked to a good family friend who is a patent lawyer and he agreed. However, the issue is more in being able to afford the patent work, and the inevitable lawsuits that will follow. After the past few years,I have begun to believe that the best thing to do is to publish or license the works under an open or creative commons license. If I get off my duff and make a product, I can sell it, and anyone else can too.Anyone have any experience with this?Is the Appleseed processor under this sort ofpatent?-Mike Robert Carr wrote: Yep, that is real good, this ad is well put together. but I for one resentpeople trying to make money out of info that others have made available forfreeHow about filling this guys ebay mailbox with crap? I have already done my bit lol (nothing nasty or abusive though)- Original Message -From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!! Wow. Glad I'm not one of those biodiesel crackpots. Errr.Um.NevermindRemember. Don'tshare this with your friends.On 12/25/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too good not to share, or, is this why people think we are crackpots? http://cgi.ebay.com/BioDiesel
Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!
Great, my kepgoasrd is not foppded and with beer and onot yoding too well tyopping. I hate it when br guwes theroyugh my nopse and on the koppueboard.tiu gys need to sptop ehis at omce and reyt back to bipdoesal@@ vewdOn 1/3/06, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't fool around. This already exists. Or you know those moist towlettes they give you in a restaurant for cleaning your fingers after gorging yourself on hot wings? How about a moist towlette with suscreen in it for the beach rather than carrying around a whole bottle? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:53 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!! Hi Mike; I would like to know more. I have lots of ideas too, like peel and stick butter. Imagine a thin square of butter that fits perfectly on your bread on release paper. Just peel and stick. Ring shapes are for bagels. Or you know those moist towlettes they give you in a restaurant for cleaning your fingers after gorging yourself on hot wings? How about a moist towlette with suscreen in it for the beach rather than carrying around a whole bottle? What about a Blackberry unit with built in PEZ dispenser, maybe you could have a _javascript_ running which would let you know when the PEZ is running low, to save face in social situations, or what about a bar that offers hot rocks? Yes hot rocks. Imagine coming in on a cold winter day after a hard ride on the sled, and ordering up a platter of heated stones to place in the middle of your table so you and your buddies can sit around and warm your hands and faces while sucking back a cold pint? Almost like a sauna on demand. You could order takeout and take them home to stick in your bed! What about an alarm that goes off to warn you when you are about to stick your foot in your mouth? or how about a diaper with a flashing light to let you know when you've got work to do ( or the person looking after you does!).so many ideas..so little time..ahh Joe Mike Weaver wrote: I have a few notions that I believe are probably patentable. I talked to a good family friend who is a patent lawyer and he agreed. However, the issue is more in being able to afford the patent work, and the inevitable lawsuits that will follow. After the past few years, I have begun to believe that the best thing to do is to publish or license the works under an open or creative commons license. If I get off my duff and make a product, I can sell it, and anyone else can too. Anyone have any experience with this? Is the Appleseed processor under this sort of patent? -Mike Robert Carr wrote: Yep, that is real good, this ad is well put together. but I for one resent people trying to make money out of info that others have made available for freeHow about filling this guys ebay mailbox with crap? I have already done my bit lol (nothing nasty or abusive though) - Original Message -From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Monday, December 26, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!! Wow. Glad I'm not one of those biodiesel crackpots. Errr. Um. Nevermind Remember. Don't share this with your friends. On 12/25/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too good not to share, or, is this why people think we are crackpots? http://cgi.ebay.com/BioDiesel-Made-Easy-Manual-Book-Make-your-own-from-home_W0QQitemZ4599779724QQcategoryZ378QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Or, look up item 4599779724 on ebay. Too funny Happy Holidays, Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] The Anglo-American War of Terror
Doug, You will notice that no one in the US is commenting. That is because our phones are being monitered and I am sure that this list is considered of Interest to someone. Oh, someone is at the door... fredOn 12/27/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Possibly its a daisy chain?? (Whose up whose, who'se not paying!)DOn Tuesday 27 December 2005 9:40, Tom Irwin wrote: My goodness there´s an awful lot of puppets around. Many folks in the U.S. consider Bush to be Cheney´s puppet. I wonder who controls Cheney? Big Smile, Tom _ From: Doug Foskey [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:28:48 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Anglo-American War of Terror And in Australia we call our (/) illustrious PM 'the shrub' as in 'a little bush'. Unfortunately for we Aussies, our PM does not have much left to learn from Georgie: we now have Sedition laws, un-needded anti- bad guys legislation, 'workplace reform' that is all about making it easier for the overseas masters. Unfortunately, there is a larger cultural drift apart of the haves have-nots. Australia now is a very different place to the one I lived in 30 years ago. Happy new year to all! Doug On Monday 26 December 2005 9:17, Chris lloyd wrote: I quite agree with you regarding the comments about the military adventure the only super power the USA and Bush's pooodle Tony Blair in Iraq.Hi Fox, please get things right. The Poodle was Margaret Thatcher belonging to President Raygun. Tony Blier The Hand Puppet as called by us here in the UK as he appears to have President Bushes hand shoved up his backside. Chris. Wessex Ferret Club www.wessexferretclub.co.uk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] MadCow additional- Organophosphates, manganese, autism, Mark Purdey, BSE
Watch it Bob, or you might become the subject of the post again!!fredOn 12/16/05, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If manganese and/ or phosphate insecticides (just phosmet or all OP insecticides?)were the causative agent for TSE (transmissible spongiform encephalopathy), I have a couple of questions.the disease has been described since the 17th century in sheep and has been observed in humans inNew Guinea in the fifties.Surely there were no phosphate insecticides or manganese licks there. http://intramural.niddk.nih.gov/research/wickner/prions.htmWhy is the evidence so strong for the tranmissability of the disease? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=12955129dopt=Citation andhttp://www.eucomed.be/docs/Transmission%20of%20prions.pdfand finally yet another hypothesis for TSE. http://drbroxmeyer.netfirms.com/MadCow.pdfMarylynn Schmidt wrote: Additional information per Mark Purdey on Mad Cow, etc for anyone interested. Mary Lynn Schmidt From: Sheri Nakken [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: (Recipient list suppressed)Subject: [Vaccine Info] Organophosphates, manganese, autism, Mark Purdey,BSEDate: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:02:46 +Email from Mark Purdey on a list I'm on (from 2002) http://www.purdeyenvironment.com/(Mark's email address at the webpage)(more on my webpages http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/bse.htm )Hi,Yea, I am just back from the State's having been lecturing and researchingthe issue of feeding manganese to deer for their antler growth and theconsequent eruption of chronic wasting disease ( the BSE equivalent ) in deer populations across wisconsin and colorado. Whilst I had an amazingtime, I was appalled by the government mandated wholesale deer slaughteracross these regions. It makes no scientific sense at all. You simply stop feeding them manganese licks - replacing them with copper licks - toprevent the disease !!It is interesting; this issue of high levels of manganese in autisticindividuals. This could either result from high exposure to dietary manganese or from inhalation of airborn manganese pollutants, but couldequally result from one of many possible metabolic disturbances surroundingthe way in which the uptake of manganese is regulated at the gut wall or blood brain barrier, or in the way that manganese is stored in the liver /transported / excreted at the kidney tubules, etc. It would be useful toexamine the environment / diet of the autisitic boy who had high manganese in their red blood cells. lets hear more on that one ? We might be able totrace the source of the problem then. It does not bode well for puttingmanganese as a lead replacement in petrol !! Manganese intoxications have certainly been demonstrated to cause severedisruption to the serotonergic nerve networks, which are, likewise,wellrecognised to be impaired in autistic individuals. It is incorrect that the organophosphates ( OPs) used for warble flycontrol contained manganese. This misconception was first generated by anappalling article in the Times, and when I complained to them , they were too arrogant to even correct it !!However,systemic OPs will increase the permeability of the blood brainbarrier ( like oestrogens, anti-cancer drugs, prolonged stress and sonic shock, etc ) thus allowing a considerable increase in the amount ofmanganese and other metals that are taken up into the brain. The warble flyOPs also chelate copper.There are some systemic organo manganese fungicides in use , such as maneb and mancozeb, and I am currently studying this dramatic cluster ofParkinson's disease affecting one in three farmers in a 25 sq mile pocketof West Wales - where they are spraying maneb for blight control of early potatoes almost weekly throughout the growing season.There is megatons of manganese related info on my website -www.markpurdey.com. It would be good to investigate the environment of the autistic boy who hadhigh red cell Mn. Do they use any Mn in vaccinations, perhaps for the samereasons as they use aluminium ? Take care,Mark**http://www.purdeyenvironment.com/ http://www.purdeyenvironment.com/faq.htm1) Organophosphates (OPs) have been used all over the world fordecades - how could they have caused BSE? OPs per se don't cause BSE,CJD or Scrapie. They are not likeinfectious agents that produce a specific disease when you come intocontact with them.There is a vast group of chemicals out there coming into the OP category and there are many variables at work when animals or humanscome into contact with them : dose and timing of dose; formulation -systemic or non-systemic, oil or water based; exposure route ie.breathedin, oral, skin contact, vapour contact to eye, as foetus, pour on ;additional ingredients and impurities are often present; neuropathic or nonneuropathic; LD 50 (toxicity); variable biochemistry. The principle cause of BSE, in our opinion, was the way we used a copper chelating OP, Phosmet- at 4x the maximum dose, in an oil based systemic
Re: [Biofuel] Your tax dollars at work
Too many 'Mike's' working at a better world!! fredOn 12/2/05, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait a minute. If you take Christ out of Christmas, you have Mas which we all know means more in Spanish.Obviously, this meansMORE topless elves, video sex toys andparades of naked X-mas characters. It's all clear to me now!MikeMike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See what I mean? Liberal! Liberal!The scary thing is that it works, though. Every time. Let's see...LIBERAL PLAN TO REMOVE THE CHRIST FROM CHRISTMAS AND MAKE IT X-MAS.My fellow American, I have learned today that the Liberals in Congress are secretly plotting to take Jesus, the Christ, out of Christmas and change the holiday's name to X-mas. As we all know, X is simply shorthand for X-rated, and if these godless secular humanist liberals aren't stopped, soon the birthday of Christ willbecome a sex-drenched extragaganza. Your children will subjected to topless elves, video sex toys and a parade of naked X-mas characters. ONLY YOU CAN STOP THIS ATTACK ON JESUS. YOU MUST DONATE TO THE KEEP THE CHRIST IN CHRISTMAS PAC SO WE CAN SPREAD THE WORD.EVEN MORE IMPORTANLY, YOU MUST SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL REPUBLICAN IN THE UPCOMING PRIMARIES.God bless,Karl Rove ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Your tax dollars at work
I would be willing to bet that you don't need to clean it up for some people to believe it! You ever watch Faux Snooze?On 12/2/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The scary thing is, I bet I could clean this up and get people tobelieve it.Michael Redler wrote: Wait a minute. If you take Christ out of Christmas, you have Mas which we all know means more in Spanish. Obviously, this means MORE topless elves, video sex toys and parades of naked X-mas characters. It's all clear to me now! Mike */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: See what I mean? Liberal! Liberal! The scary thing is that it works, though. Every time. Let's see... LIBERAL PLAN TO REMOVE THE CHRIST FROM CHRISTMAS AND MAKE IT X-MAS. My fellow American, I have learned today that the Liberals in Congress are secretly plotting to take Jesus, the Christ, out of Christmas and change the holiday's name to X-mas. As we all know, X is simply shorthand for X-rated, and if these godless secular humanist liberals aren't stopped, soon the birthday of Christ will become a sex-drenched extragaganza. Your children will subjected to topless elves, video sex toys and a parade of naked X-mas characters. ONLY YOU CAN STOP THIS ATTACK ON JESUS. YOU MUST DONATE TO THE KEEP THE CHRIST IN CHRISTMAS PAC SO WE CAN SPREAD THE WORD. EVEN MORE IMPORTANLY, YOU MUST SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL REPUBLICAN IN THE UPCOMING PRIMARIES. God bless, Karl Rove___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Your tax dollars at work
Actually we want to ban Christmas!! No more use of the words Merry Christmas! And sex!! Lots of sex!! And everywhere... Whoops, there is that little disorderly personality problem creeping up again!! Sorry about that, fred On 12/1/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freedom hater.You're just helping the terrorist.Besides, all this doesn't really matter, what matters is GAY MARRIAGE!No, wait. I meant what really matters is, uh, the Liberals want to banprayer in schools! So if you don't vote for the Republican party, you're voting God out ofyour children's lives.-The RepublicansMichael Redler wrote: ...but wait, there's more! The list of people in the administration who are threatening the health and welfare of people in and out of the country is proving to be disturbing. Stephen Johnson http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm John Negroponte http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-negroponte4,0,2380703.story Michael Brown http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/03/brown.fema.emails/ Karl, Dick and Scooter http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/28/leak.probe/ Rummy (small sample) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2973564.stm Dubya (small sample) http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/11/06/MNGS82R8101.DTL Michael Chertoff (suspicious) http://www.isreview.org/issues/43/minutemen.shtml The good news is that (IMO) the internet allows us to be much more aware and educated, making the job of the spin doctors significantly more difficult. I'm keeping the faith. Mike */Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Mike; Please tell me this is an early April fools joke (in really bad taste) or an urban legend right? You can't be serious about this. Joe Michael Redler wrote: Mike, Thanks. The word is really getting out there. I've had friends who are non-political, asking me if I know anything about it and if it's really true. After doing some of my own research I came across something at www.commondreams.org http://www.commondreams.org/. You may have already seen it. *EPA Creates "Intelligence" Unit in New Reorganization Office of Children's Health Protection Axed* http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm [snip] [Chairman Stephen] Johnson's own role in childhood health issues was brought into stark relief during his confirmation hearings over his advocacy of using children in pesticide dosing experiments. Although Johnson cancelled one controversial study (with the anomalous acronym of CHEERS) in which parents were to be paid to spray pesticides in the room primarily occupied by their infant children, he did so in the face of threats by Democratic senators to block his confirmation. Since then, Johnson has heatedly defended CHEERS and is pushing a plan to allow children to be used in other chemical dosing experiments. [snip] Mike ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Chicken Power (sorry Keith)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051130/ap_on_sc/chicken_fat_fuel AP - Researchers Convert Chicken Fat to Fuel Tue Nov 29, 8:42 PM ET Fuel is the thing with feathers. Hoping to find an efficient way to help power automobiles and trucks, researchers at the University of Arkansas say they have developed a way to convert chicken fat to a biodiesel fuel. We're trying to expand the petroleum base, said Brian Mattingly, a graduate student in chemical engineering. Five to 20 percent blending of biodiesel into petroleum-based diesel significantly reduces our dependence on foreign oil. Mattingly's research allows biodiesel producers to assess different materials to see what works best. Producers will be able to choose the best way to convert different grades of chicken fat into fuels. R.E. Babcock, a professor of chemical engineering, said chicken-fat fuels are better for the environment and the machines. They burn better, create less particulate matter and actually lubricate and clean things like cylinders, pistons and fuel lines, Babcock said. Traditionally, biodiesel producers have used refined products like soybean oil because they are easier to convert to fuels. However, the refining process makes soybean oil more expensive — and fuel producers must compete with grocers for the oil supply. Chicken fat can be a less-expensive substitute because it is available at a low cost. However, fatty acids in raw chicken fat can lead to the creation of soap during the various chemical processes. In his studies, Mattingly used high-quality fat (less than 2 percent fatty acid content) and low-quality, feed-grade fat (6 percent fatty acid content) obtained from Tyson Foods Inc. plants in Clarksville and Scranton. The high-quality fat is more expensive than the feed-grade fat, but both are less expensive than soybean oil. It took different steps to refine the different fats, but it could be done, Mattingly said. The project demonstrated that there is a very fine line between facilitating an adequate reaction and generating so much soap that the biodiesel yield is diminished, Mattingly said. Basically, deciding which method to use comes down to economics. Michael Popp, an associate professor of agricultural economics, said it is too early to tell if making biodiesel fuel from chicken fat is economically feasible. Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. Copyright 2005 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. Questions or Comments ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disposal of glycerine...burning
Hi Mike, I make logs with sawdust apacked in a milk carton. If you have a fire that burns hot it will last between 1 to 3 hours. No ram necessary unless you like to put in a bunch of extra work for something that you are going to burn anyway. I was thinking of finding large cardboard tubes and using that to pack. Might be easier if I can find a source of dry ones. fredOn 11/28/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know whether I could mix left-over glycerine w/ dried leaves andwoodchips and coffee grounds and compress itinto a fireplace log with a hydralic ram and a form for fuel for my woodstove?I've burned coffee logs before and it worked fine. I could braze a stell form and use a bottle jack - kind of like a largerammed earth brick.-MikeAppal Energy wrote:Michael,Treat the cocktail with phosphoric acid to recover the FFAs. Then evaporate the methanol and recover it by condensing. That leaves theprecipitate fertilizer and crudely refined glycerol to condtend with.The glycerol is a simple sugar and can be distributed with the graywater from the wash. Presumably you'll be treating the wash water to recoverthe soaps.Todd Swearingenmostly i mean what settles out of transesterification todd. On 11/27/05, *Appal Energy* [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael,Are you speaking of what settles out of a transesterification? Or areyou speaking of the remaining glycerol after performing a free fattyacid recovery on the same soup? Todd SwearingenHi folks I haven't started my production yet but I recently realizedthat I wasn't sure what I was going to do about disposing of the left over glycerine.I live on a small plot on the local reservoir and I can't justdump itor compost it .Any suggestions? what are you guy's doing with it? yes i could just put it in the trash but i have to pay for trashremoval.Michael Luich___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] One ton of brush and untreated wood
Hi Matthew, Gassification is an option but if you can burn it hot, heating your house may be a good option. I do it with a wood burner. fredOn 11/28/05, Matthew J. Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the opportunity to receive no less than one ton of brush anduntreated wood on a regular basis. How could this be used in theproduction of bio fuels?I am in Minneapolis, and willing to work with others in the area. -MatthewMatthew J. Harmon___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disposal of glycerine...burning
Just the glycerine. I am sure that wood chips would work well. I have more sawdust than anything else. I like to compost the leaves and burn the wood. Makes life easier.On 11/28/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you mix anything w/ the sawdust?We have gobs of dried leaves and wood chips.I thought of packing them in paper bags mixed w/ glycerine.I have a decent VC stove - I can control the fire to get pretty much anykind of burn I need.Fred Finch wrote:Hi Mike, I make logs with sawdust apacked in a milk carton.If you havea fire that burns hot it will last between 1 to 3 hours.No ram necessary unless you like to put in a bunch of extra work for something that you are going to burn anyway. I was thinking of finding large cardboard tubes and using that to pack.Might be easier if I can find a source of dry ones. fred On 11/28/05, *Mike Weaver* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know whether I could mix left-over glycerine w/ dried leaves and woodchips and coffee grounds and compress it into a fireplace log with a hydralic ram and a form for fuel for my wood stove?I've burned coffee logs before and it worked fine. I could braze a stell form and use a bottle jack - kind of like a large rammed earth brick. -Mike Appal Energy wrote: Michael, Treat the cocktail with phosphoric acid to recover the FFAs. Then evaporate the methanol and recover it by condensing. That leaves the precipitate fertilizer and crudely refined glycerol to condtend with. The glycerol is a simple sugar and can be distributed with the graywater from the wash. Presumably you'll be treating the wash water to recover the soaps. Todd Swearingenmostly i mean what settles out of transesterification todd. On 11/27/05, *Appal Energy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, Are you speaking of what settles out of a transesterification? Or are you speaking of the remaining glycerol after performing a free fatty acid recovery on the same soup? Todd Swearingen Hi folks I haven't started my production yet but I recently realized that I wasn't sure what I was going to do about disposing of the left over glycerine. I live on a small plot on the local reservoir and I can't just dump it or compost it .Any suggestions? what are you guy's doing with it? yes i could just put it in the trash but i have to pay for trash removal. Michael Luich___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing list
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
We could only hope so! On 11/25/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would probably prove fatal to Cheney.Fred Finch wrote: I think Chaney is too busy hiding in an undisclosed location. On 11/24/05, *Ken Riznyk* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can impeach him. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely. Absolutely lovely. If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one moment for the duration of his term of office. That or stack it on the list of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for his impeachement. Todd Swearingenhttp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab AllyMadness of war memoBy Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals.But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation.A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it.A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been humorous, not serious.But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men.Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions.I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war.Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year.At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah.Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims.The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West.Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of collateral damage.Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists.To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself.The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors.In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke.Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week.Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10.He said Mr O'Connor had behaved perfectly correctly.Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment.Copyright - The Mirror ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
I think Chaney is too busy hiding in an undisclosed location.On 11/24/05, Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we canimpeach him.--- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely. Absolutely lovely. If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one moment for the duration of his term of office. That or stack it on the list of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for his impeachement. Todd Swearingenhttp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency. The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation. A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been humorous, not serious. But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men. Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions. I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war. Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year. At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah. Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims. The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West. Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of collateral damage. Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists. To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself. The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors. In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke. Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week. Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10. He said Mr O'Connor had behaved perfectly correctly. Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment. Copyright - The Mirror ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
Mike, Were you wearing your pirate suit while making that proclamation? fredOn 11/17/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God is a Flying Spaghetti Monster and them that don't repent shall fryin ever-lasting torment.With a little olive oil and garlic I might add.obert luis rabello wrote:Appal Energy wrote: Robert,All this has been with tongue in cheek with a bit of a rueful grin,simply pointing to the hypocrisy of professed leaders, showing that they are unfit for positions of leadership if only due to thebroad(ening) chasm between their professions and reality. Can I say amen to that? I'm not going to argue whether there is or isn't a god or multiple gods,much less whether God is masculine or feminine. Nor would I want you to . . .(Though it might be an interesting discussion.)Just stating that theiractions belie their words. How true! Not everyone who says to me: 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom ofHeaven, but only those who do the will of my Father.It's clearlyGod's will to look after widows, fatherless children and the poor. (In the words of Isaiah: Maintain justice.Do what is right!)Theconnection between these actions and bombing families into oblivionescapes me, and I like to think of myself as a reasonably intelligent person . . .robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Power Compost!
Check this modification out!! http://www.hscsupercharger.com/ fredOn 11/7/05, robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DHAJOGLO wrote: Robert, I'm not sure what type of engine you have, but an option might be to modify it to use ethanol and then delay the timing to get higher compression.I'd like to run ethanol in my truck!Getting higher compression out of a Briggs and Stratton engine wouldinvolve milling the cylinder head.For the amount of time the shredder will be used every year, that hardly seems to justify themachine shop expense.I've also seen tiny turbos in my internetmeanderings, and while installing one of those would be really cool(Robert's turbo shredder!), I'm probably better off to swap the engine with an electric motor when it dies. You could buy the horse and feed it the cornstalks and compute your milage based on that!Then I wouldn't need the shredder, would I?robert luis rabello The Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BD in Minneapolis?
Adam, I have a reactor built in Minneapolis. If you are interested in trying biodiesel, might I suggest the twin cities biodiesel coop. They are in south minneapolis and will deliver any quantity of biodiesel you like. If you want to play with a reactor. start small. fredOn 11/2/05, Adam Gedde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new to the forum, and I'm wondering if there is anyone brewing BDin the Minneapolis/St. Paul area?(USA)I'm interesting inconstructing a small refinery in my garage, and need some guidance.Thanks! Adam Gedde___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!
local mass transit system (formerly a great system turned into a joke by our state and local representation.) Now everyone drives, no one walks and riding a bike here is a life threatening experience. and... I did encounter two smelly French guys at a local music store. They did smell bad but had great taste in music. They were viewing the new release of the Thelonious Monk Quartet Live at Carnegie Hall (a *GREAT* recording!) I did not have the opportunity to ask them about cheese. also... I have several Arab friends who would say that it is the US Government that is acting as the terrorist. Racism not withstanding, they feel the effects of this on a weekly basis. But I digress... I was able to follow the instructions on the JTF website without too much difficulty. Because of a learning disability I was required to read and re-read it several times. However, it did not cause me any distress or confusion. I have made several batches of biodiesel large and small, constructed 2 reactors and have loved every second of success and failure. There was never a moment that I had to ask Keith to re-write any portion of the instructions. fred On 10/25/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, but a lot are. I live here. I can look out the window. As for the Arab/terrorist remark, what does that have to do with this thread? Let's keep the tone positive: All Frenchmen know good cheese. All Russians read great literature. Derick Giorchino wrote: That is about the most ridicules statement I have seen in some time. Not all Americans are lazy stupid or helpless. Why don't you say all Arabs are terrorists? All the French smell all Russians are drunks except? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:26 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith! Whoa Big Feller Keith please don't forget Brian is an American, therefore he was born and raised to believe he is somehow special, and spoiled enough to expect everything to be paint by numbers. American 'culture' is all about instant gratification, less work vs more satisfaction/entertainment. This explains the typical american arrogance that drips from his rhetoric and which irritates you so well. I have no doubt that Brian is genuinely frustrated by his apparent lack of progress in this early stage but it is not really HIS fault, he has been conditioned with a set of expectations which do not fit the real world. This is why our insidious Disneyland 'culture' here in the Americas (well at least Canada and US) works so well because it has had the illusion of being sustainable for so long. I see this kind of attitude all the time with university students. Even graduate students who are getting on in years; they like someone to lead them by the hand. We are a spoon fed continent. We like to have everything easy. Easy information, easy entertainment, easily achievable goals, easy to throw away (insert everything you don't like), and yes even easy sex (we have a pill to help that). Well, it aint always easy. Except for the sex part (speaking personally that is). ;-) The point about the site that is important is that it works for many many people. If there is one overriding principle it is make sure you are understanding very clearly what you are about to do before you start. If you don't know what %(w/v) means then you should not proceed. In fact your exact next step at that point is, go find out what %(w/v) means before you go any further. Do not assume. Do not skip over. Go find out. The fact that americans have this moronic attention span means that it is very difficult for us to take the time to just go and do this stuff methodically. We cannot concentrate long enough to read a web page. We see the fuel as miles rolling by our windscreen before the oil is even reacted. Carrot on a stick mentality. This is what the rulers of our society have created. Feel free to throw your television out the window if any of this bothers anyone! I guess it is hard for people in other parts of the world to know this about our infantile collective on this big island in the sea. Take pity you cruel task master, we are but children emerging from the playground into a world of harsh reality. Joe Keith Addison wrote: LOL Brian!!! Actually it's not funny. It's just inept, and it sows confusion - extracting such clouds of complexitites out of such simplicities is not exactly going to encourage newbies, though that's apparently what you're trying to do. Now it requires explanations of things which need no explanations, which always makes them appear more complex than they are, very encouraging for newbies, yes. Sigh... I say this because I'd rather not have people telling me I am not tip-top with my
Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!
I was hoping that my description of my encounter with the music loving Frenchmen included a complete showing of the forest. My apologies if it did not. The views of my Arab friends are theirs and would show the forest from a different point of view. If what you are describing is the Bush Flu then yes the US and the world is threatened. If it the Bird Flu you are describing, there is a chance we will survive. My best to you, fred On 10/25/05, Frantz DESPREZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred Finch a crit : (...) I did encounter two smelly French guys at a local music store. (...) I have several Arab friends who would say that it is the US Government that is acting as the terrorist. (...) please, don't make of one sample a generalityLook at the forest behind the tree.I've seen on TV an american guy called Bush, speaking, walking andthinking like a duck.Do you think that all americans are treatened by the bird flu ? FD___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol from cabbage
Personally I have found cabbage to be especially useful in methane production. Not very useable but fun none the less. fredOn 10/21/05, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: find a table of nutrition and add up the grams of sugar and carbohydratepresent.Those are the fermentable materials.(the carbohydrateportion will require an enzyme, maltase, to make into fermentable sugars) John Hall wrote: I have been trying to find out what is best used for fermenting cabbage for ethanol production.Not much out there on the web.Anyone have a suggestion?The only thing I've found so far is for producing sauerkraut and ethanol production is minimal using those enzymes. Why cabbage?Because there are 40 acres of cabbage in front of and to the south of my house.About half the cabbage is actually picked for market due to size etc. and the rest rots in the field over the winter.If ethanol can be produced from what's left then so much the better. Thanks. Regards; John ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ --Bob Allenhttp://ozarker.org/bobScience is what we have learned about how to keepfrom fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hoodia Gordonii ?
Michael, Do not rely on a magic bullet. Do what you can and if you must, consider drastic options. Weight Loss Surgery (WLS) is not a magic bullet but a tool to help with the process of weight loss. Some suggestions, Eat protien forward. That is eat your meat first. Slowly. Eat your vegetables next. Raw is better because it causes your gut to work a little harder. Fruits next, again slowly. If you still need a carbo-fix, try brown rice or unrefined items like wild rice or whole wheat pasta. Don't drink with your meals. No water, no milk no beer. (that last one was tough for me.) Excersize. Walk. Ride a bike or garden. Any activity is good just do it. I like walking. It gives me time to reflect on some of the things that I need to deal with on a daily basis. Please keep in mind that I did all of those things and still had issues with food and eating. I did WLS and have been very successfull. It still is work. You can contact me offlist if you like, fred On 10/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:List members,Does anybody know about this hard-to-find supplement for weight loss? It comes from a very rare cactus plant in South Africa.I have a weight problem which could lead soon to diabetes.There is a meager amount of information on the web of real value, aprogram on 60 minutes aired recently.I missed it.There are supposed to be alot of fake Hoodia G. products on the market now.I would like to know if any of you very respectible list members haveheard about Hoodia Gordonii.Anywhere in the worldIs Hoodia Gordonii the real thing? Or the latest scam? Thanks for looking at this email.Respectfully submitted, Michael in Alabama___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Re-thinking Washing systems...
I have been giving washing some thought these days. Bubble washing is the simplest but has some reservations with regards to the reactions to the fuel. I like the agitation or mixing but I have been noticing that the soap does not easily settle in some cases. Here is my thought. Build a wash system with a large tank that has a domed top that a clear tube connects to a tank that is connected to another tank with a domed bottom. The clear tube is a sight tube that has valves on both ends of the tube. The bottom tank is the holding tank for the wash water. The top holds the unwashed biodiesel. Water is pumped from the wash tank to the top tank. The water would be sprayed either with a mist or a diffusion spray that would cover the entire surface of the biodiesel. This would wash the soap solids down where you could view them in the sight tube. The domed top of the wash tank would direct the oil back towards the top tank and the domed bottom of the top tank would let the water wash the soaps to the wash tank. The sight tube could be used to see where the good stuff begins and the soaps end. Valves could be installed to direct the finished fuel to a settling tank or hold the biodiesel for another wash. The wash water could be drained refilled through the top tank. I am in process of building a smaller version of this using PVC pipe. Any thoughts? Fred Finch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?
There is a cheesemaker that sells a raw sheepsmilk cheese that is to die for. But since she cannot legally sell raw milk cheeses of any kind she calls it Catfood. Best damn catfood I ever tried. She has aged cheeses that are great too. Made locally and taste unbeleiveable. Sorry, no source on a pasturizer though. fredOn 10/3/05, Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings,For once Texas has healthy laws, we have legal raw milk dairies.Bright Blessings,KimAt 08:26 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote:Oops.I want to use it as my BD reactor.I prefer raw milk but it is illegal here! Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Just curious, but why would you want one?Raw milk sells for 25% to 50% more in Texas than pasteurized. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote: A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer.I have seen them as small 30 gallons. Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons device?Ebay has been pretty fruitless.I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup. -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9
Paul, make sure to update the subject heading. fredOn 10/3/05, Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Lowe's carries lye in the US under the brand name Roebic. They do NOT appear to ship it. US$7.66 + tax for 908 grams here in Charleston, South Carolina. Claims to be 100% NaOH Roebic 2 Lbs. Heavy Duty Crystal Drain Opener Item #: 146450Model: HD-CRY Description: Contains 100% Sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda)Clears tough clogs from pipes and drainsMelts and destroys grease and other kitchen clogs Keeps drains clearEconomical www.lowes.com search by item # 146450 Kim wrote:Greetings,Apparently Lowe's carries lye in a 2 lb package for around $7.I am sorry, but I have not paid much attention since I buy my lye in bulk from BoyerCorporation,Their KOH is 99% pure.Bright Blessings,Kim-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Re-thinking Washing systems...
I have been giving washing some thought these days. Bubble washing is the simplest but has some reservations with regards to the reactions to the fuel. I like the agitation or mixing but I have been noticing that the soap does not easily settle in some cases. Here is my thought. Build a wash system with a large tank that has a domed top that a clear tube connects to a tank that is connected to another tank with a domed bottom. The clear tube is a sight tube that has valves on both ends of the tube. The bottom tank is the holding tank for the wash water. The top holds the unwashed biodiesel. Water is pumped from the wash tank to the top tank. The water would be sprayed either with a mist or a diffusion spray that would cover the entire surface of the biodiesel. This would wash the soap solids down where you could view them in the sight tube. The domed top of the wash tank would direct the oil back towards the top tank and the domed bottom of the top tank would let the water wash the soaps to the wash tank. The sight tube could be used to see where the good stuff begins and the soaps end. Valves could be installed to direct the finished fuel to a settling tank or hold the biodiesel for another wash. The wash water could be drained refilled through the top tank. Any thoughts? Fred Finch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dear Bob Allen was Re: There's no proof of globalwarming
I think my head just exploded...On 9/23/05, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ray, so it uses around 26 tons of fuel in 800 miles but they say they put out 28 tons of co2 in the same distance?This is a the short version of a long-winded explanation as to why the weight of carbon dioxide appears to be so disproportionate after burningjet fuel (or any fuel).Jet fuel is a mixture of long, carbon-chain and carbon-ring molecules,including paraffinic, olefinic, naphthenic and aromatic hydrocarbons. So there is no overly simple method of calculating how many carbonmolecules are in liter of fuel (at least not without a sample of it anda lab).However, just for mind candy, take a look at a biodiesel molecule with sixteen carbons lined up in a chain. Each has one hydrogen moleculeattached above and below it (two). One end carbon also has a hydrogenattached to the side of it. The other end carbon has a hydroxyl group (an oxygen and hydrogen molecule) attached to it. That essentially meansthat there are 33 plus 1 hydrogen atoms, 1 oxygen atom and 16 carbonatoms for every biodiesel molecule that ha 16 carbons in its chain.(Some have a few more carbons and some have less, depending upon the type of fatty acid (oil) they were formed from.)Hydrogen has a molecular weight of one. Oxygen has a molecular weight ofsixteen, which means it's sixteen times heavier than hydrogen. Carbonhas a molecular weight of twelve. For every hydrogen burned off the biodiesel (or jet fuel) molecule, at least one oxygen moleculere-attaches. If carbon monoxide is produced, then only one oxygenattaches. If carbon dioxide is made then two oxygen molecules attach.So, for simplicity's sake, when two hydrogens are burnt off one carbon (C+H+H=14), one or two oxygens take the hydrogen's place (C+O=28) or(C+O+O=44). That makes each post combustion molecule with a carbon in ittwo orthree times heavier after combustion than before.If a person wanted to get more precise, some fuel isn't completely burnt in the turbine, meaning that handfuls of hydrogen and carbon moleculesexit the combustion process partially intact. That means that thehydrogen-oxygen exchange isn't exactly one or two to oneBut very roughly put and depending on the efficiency of combustion, it's not too difficult to see that one pound of a specific type of fuel goinginto a turbine or engine (a long carbon chain) can turn into two orthree plus pounds of CO2 coming out.Todd SwearingenSpecs on the current model Boeing 747-400, 57,000 U.S. gallons fuelcapacity with 8,000 mile range so it gets something like6-9 gallons amile. so lets say 8 gallons/mile, at around 8 pounds per gallon,= 65pounds of fuel per mile...so it uses around 26 tons of fuel in 800 milesbut they say they put out 28 tons of co2 in the same distance?thats interesting...Ray JJust seen this on our BBC TV channel every 800 miles travelled by a jumbo jet dumps 28 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.Chris___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dear Bob Allen was Re: There's no proof of globalwarming
I thought it only worked with coffee?On 9/23/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that'll be a mess to clean up.Should've bought my keyboard coverwhen you had the chance...Fred Finch wrote: I think my head just exploded... On 9/23/05, *Appal Energy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ray, so it uses around 26 tons of fuel in 800 miles but they say they put out 28 tons of co2 in the same distance? This is a the short version of a long-winded explanation as to why the weight of carbon dioxide appears to be so disproportionate after burning jet fuel (or any fuel). Jet fuel is a mixture of long, carbon-chain and carbon-ring molecules, including paraffinic, olefinic, naphthenic and aromatic hydrocarbons. So there is no overly simple method of calculating how many carbon molecules are in liter of fuel (at least not without a sample of it and a lab). However, just for mind candy, take a look at a biodiesel molecule with sixteen carbons lined up in a chain. Each has one hydrogen molecule attached above and below it (two). One end carbon also has a hydrogen attached to the side of it. The other end carbon has a hydroxyl group (an oxygen and hydrogen molecule) attached to it. That essentially means that there are 33 plus 1 hydrogen atoms, 1 oxygen atom and 16 carbon atoms for every biodiesel molecule that ha 16 carbons in its chain. (Some have a few more carbons and some have less, depending upon the type of fatty acid (oil) they were formed from.) Hydrogen has a molecular weight of one. Oxygen has a molecular weight of sixteen, which means it's sixteen times heavier than hydrogen. Carbon has a molecular weight of twelve. For every hydrogen burned off the biodiesel (or jet fuel) molecule, at least one oxygen molecule re-attaches. If carbon monoxide is produced, then only one oxygen attaches. If carbon dioxide is made then two oxygen molecules attach. So, for simplicity's sake, when two hydrogens are burnt off one carbon (C+H+H=14), one or two oxygens take the hydrogen's place (C+O=28) or (C+O+O=44). That makes each post combustion molecule with a carbon in it two orthree times heavier after combustion than before. If a person wanted to get more precise, some fuel isn't completely burnt in the turbine, meaning that handfuls of hydrogen and carbon molecules exit the combustion process partially intact. That means that the hydrogen-oxygen exchange isn't exactly one or two to one But very roughly put and depending on the efficiency of combustion, it's not too difficult to see that one pound of a specific type of fuel going into a turbine or engine (a long carbon chain) can turn into two or three plus pounds of CO2 coming out. Todd Swearingen Specs on the current model Boeing 747-400, 57,000 U.S. gallons fuel capacity with 8,000 mile range so it gets something like6-9 gallons a mile. so lets say 8 gallons/mile, at around 8 pounds per gallon,= 65 pounds of fuel per mile...so it uses around 26 tons of fuel in 800 milesbut they say they put out 28 tons of co2 in the same distance? thats interesting... Ray J Just seen this on our BBC TV channel every 800 miles travelled by a jumbo jet dumps 28 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages
Re: [Biofuel] They laughed at the Marx Brothers
Mike, Coffee through the nose is not pleasent. Also, I may have to charge you for a new keyboard. Mine is wet from the coffee. fredOn 9/22/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trinary fissionStop!I have a patent on this!Keith Addison wrote:Hi DarrylDarryl McMahon wrote:Oh, come on Keith!Everyone knows you can't get that kind of performance improvement without magnets and hydrogen injection using on-boardsplitting ofwater based on zero-point energy. They laughed at Einstein too. (But they laughed at the Marx Brotherseven more.)I like the binary fission angle though. Yes! New in the annals of energy scams.Imagine the kinds of performance improvements we'll get when Ifinish my research on trinary fission (based on tritium, don't you know).Everyone's gone fission.Isn't fission elemental science, rather than molecular science? Naah, these guys are way ahead, they're working with molecularelements and elementary molecules.Facetiously yours, :-) Likewise,RegardsKeithDarryl McMahonKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello all Jerry Eyers wrote:Not to knock everyone who has responded so far, but such items do exist, although I don't believe 300 has been achieved, but there are documentedcases of big block 350's getting over 200mpg. Documented by whom?(By the way, a 350 is a small block.)Underwhat test conditions? The process involves replacing the standard carb with a vapor only carb (like a propane one) then pre-heating your fuel to a vapor, and feeding thevapor. I have a lot of experience running gaseous fuels in engines, andNEVER have I seen any evidence that a fully vaporized fuel (such aspropane or methane) can attain higher efficiencies than a fuel injected liquid fueled engine.(Though it is true that certain gases,hydrogen for example, can run leaner than gasoline.However, thedifference in economy is incremental.)The calorific value of gaseous fuels is generally LESS than that of liquid fuels because they are notas dense, yet the fuel economy remains proportional to the overallenergy available for combustion. To put it simply, vaporizing gasoline will not magically enhance fueleconomy.Among some people, there remains a persistent myth thatliquid fueled internal combustion engines are incapable of fully burning a fuel load.People who believe this insist that the vastmajority of the air / fuel mixture leaving a combustion chamber isunburned, yet this is simply NOT true! But it's such a good line Robert. What d'you think of this? I've justbeen instructed by the would-be purveyors to add their link to the biodiesel section of my website so they can promote it (it's notcalled Brand X):Brand X, the new KING of Global green energy by molecular science and has the potential to add 30% more to the Global known fossil fuelreserves. Brand X works on the concept of deionization ofelectrically charged particle formed by gaining or losing electrons in a solution. Brand X gives more kilometres to every litre, for alldiesel and gasoline internal combustion engines, respectively. BrandX reduces GHG emission, substantially by enhancing a total combustion technology with higher efficiency. As fossil fuel is exhaustible andBrand X can help to consume less fuel, until economical alternativeenergy is found. It eliminates smog-forming pollutants in all diesel internal combustion engine exhaust. Brand X is compatible with allkinds of internal combustion engines fuel by gasoline, diesel orbiofuel, including fuel from biomass. Green Brand X availability is inexhaustible on Earth and eco-friendly.It works by 'binary fission' with additional vigour, by maximisingcombustion efficiency. Sounds great, think I'll buy some. Dammit, where's my wallet?Best wishesKeith That said, I don't know of ANY that have worked with diesel engines,only straight gas. A diesel engine will outperform a gasoline engine by virtue of highercompression pressure and the lack of a throttle, which considerably reduces pumping losses.In addition, diesel fuel contains more energythan gasoline.robert luis rabelloThe Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list
Re: [Biofuel] Re: A beginners titration question
Keith, Great Information, You got ribbons too? My daughter might want one!! fred On 8/11/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jan for the explanation. And Keith I am sorry that I irritated you with a dumb question, I will avoid that in the future. For heaven's sake, that's the second time! I wasn't irritated, but now I am! You got good information, do you want a red ribbon round it too? :-( Keith Addison Doug Hello Doug Hello group, I am a beginner in the conversion of WVO to BD and I have been having trouble with my titration process. On JTF there are 2 reference documents on titration which I have been using as my guide. There's more than that there about titration. However, I don't seem to get consistent results. For example, One time I will get 1.55ml and the second time I get 3.22 ml using WVO from the same batch and drawing from the same solution of NaOH and water. First is that kind of variability to be expected? No. Second I noticed in reviewing the tritration documents again, that isopropyl alcohol is specifed. But how could you not have noticed that the first time round? Everywhere is says so. I have been using the same methanol that I use in the conversion process. Prefacing this with I ain't no chemist, Is that the source of my problem? If that is the case can someone explain why the titration is done with one type of alcohol when the process is run with a different one? I also ain't no chemist, very few of us are chemists, but we can learn, and do. I can't give you a technical comparison of the effects of different alcohols, but why depart from established practice when you're just starting? It doesn't make a lot of sense anyway, titration and processing have different purposes, with titration you're only finding out how much acid will have to be neutralised, not processing the WVO. The result of the titration is applied to the subsequent processing in the form of the amount of lye required, not the kind of alcohol to use. If you assume that the two different processes should use the same alcohol then why don't you also assume that they should use it in the same proportions? - ie 10 litres of 99%+ isopropyl alcohol per one litre of WVO to be processed? Anyway, it is possible to use isopropyl alcohol to make biodiesel, called branched-alkyl esters, which have the advantage of much improved cold-weather properties. There's discussion of this in the list archives, using either isopropyl alcohol or butanol. But it's not for homebrewers, though many have tried - it's laboratory-level stuff, patented but not used, nobody is using these techniques yet AFAIK. Also I seem to be having difficulty keeping the WVO and alcohol mixed during the titration process, which would be what I would attribute to the variation in the results. I don't think so. I have been carrying out the titration in a test tube and shaking it after each drop, but the oil still seems to settle out. Stirring is better. Did you warm the mixture first (and the 0.1% NaOH solution)? Use something wider than a test tube that you can stir. And even when they are mixed it is a cloudy white solution, not clear as the JTF documents indicate. They do not indicate that. What they say is that it should be clear (thoroughly mixed) BEFORE you start adding the 0.1% NaOH solution. Warm the beaker gently by standing it in some hot water, stir until all the oil dissolves in the alcohol and turns clear. Add 2 drops of phenolphthalein solution. Using a graduated syringe, add 0.1% lye solution drop by drop to the oil-alcohol-phenolphthalein solution, stirring all the time, until the solution starts to turn pink and stays that way for 10 seconds. ... Biodiesel from waste oil http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#biodwvo Dissolve 1 gram of lye in 1 liter of distilled or de-ionized water (0.1% w/v lye solution). In a smaller beaker, dissolve 1 ml of dewatered WVO oil in 10 ml of pure isopropyl alcohol. Warm the beaker gently by standing it in some hot water, stir until all the oil dissolves in the alcohol and the mixture turns clear. Add 2 drops of phenolphthalein solution. Using a graduated syringe, add the 0.1% lye solution drop by drop to the oil-alcohol-phenolphthalein solution, stirring all the time, until the solution stays pink (actually magenta) for 10 seconds. ... Basic titration http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#titrate Instead of the usual 1 ml of oil and 10 ml of isopropyl alcohol, mix 4 ml of oil in 40 ml of isopropyl alcohol in a glass beaker. Warm the mixture gently by standing the beaker in hot water, stir until all the oil disperses and it becomes a clear mixture. Then titrate as usual, measuring milliliters of stock solution used. ... Better titration http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#bettertitrate Mix 10 milliliters of isopropyl
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms
Mushrooms like the same sugars that yeasts like. So a lot of what you are trying to get from the wood is what the fungi consumes. I have cultured both yeasts and fungi and had to have completely seperate laminar stations because there was cross contamination going out of control. If you can find the fungi and make it work, I would be happy to see the results. fred On 8/3/05, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking of starting a small ethanol project and did some research. I came across a distilling head (https://www1.fishersci.com/Coupon?cid=1328gid=89796details=Y). I like the idea of glass hardware (even if it is more expensive than copper) because you can see whats going on. However, I have some reservations about keeping it clean and possible pressure build-up. ...any comments? Mike Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Just thought I would mention this. All of you composters out there have seen one of the molds that break apart lignin. It's the white rot fungus. It produces a peroxidase that just tears up lignin. I think the scientific name is Phanerochaete Chrysosporus. I worked with it when making biodegradabe plastics for Warner Lambert a few years back. It's great stuff. Will dissolve most anything a plant can make and it loves the composting environment particularly the surfaces. There might be some folks out there who can biofacture the enzyme from the fungus. Tom Irwin From: Michael Redler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:38:32 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms I hope your friend isn't too adventurous. You might find him with more than his shoes off, skipping around and talking to the trees. :-) Mike Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I talked with a few folks last night about the home brewing of ethanol from sawdust. I am happy to announce that these guys are working on a found Oyster Mushroom mycelium that they are hopeful will break down the cellulose in order to separate the lignin. If this experiment works they may have found a natural method although slower to aide in the fermentation of wood fiber. Mushrooms are not my specialty but from what I gather talking to the guys is that the beginning of all classic mushroom research is in the hunting and gathering. I have this picture in my mind of my friend wandering around the local forests in his bare feet looking for the elusive shroom that grows on the type of tree we are trying to process. Talk about grassroots research! Brian Rodgers -- Brian's Nell's computer scanned this baby no viruses were found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: Jesus was a liberal..., and look what it got him... was Re: [Biofuel]The New Blue States/Country
God has a good solution for sex, it's called abstinence and marriage. It looks like I got it backwards, I got married then there was no sex. I guess I am going to Hell? fred On 8/2/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God has a good solution for sex, it's called abstinence and marriage. OMG that's what happened to my life! God did it. Why is GOD such a devil?? lol ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] wash problem
Sounds like water in the oil before you start. Make sure your oil has *NO* water in it. There are two ways listed in JTF. unless you like cottage cheese... fred On 4/25/05, Brent S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still getting cottage cheese durring the wash cycle. I have enough methanol,(18.9 litres for 80 litres of oil) and mixed for one hour and 15 minutes. Could the problem be not enough lye? Brent ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
IMNSHO - In My Not So Humble Opinion fred On 4/25/05, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK I give up. IMNSHO? PEMIWSA -- Please Excuse My Ignorance With Some Acronyms :-) Mike Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Keith, It's morning here and I am starting my day laughing! Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Dear pros, Latitudinal or longitudinally? Latitudinal, but much more important IMNSHO is that the traditional anticlockwisist approach be adopted. We do not want any of this revisionist hegemonistic running-dog pinko neocon fundamentalist pro-clockwisist nonsense here, thankyou. And I really hope we're not going to see any more crass attempts by Northist Confusionism elements to propose that from West to East is anticlockwise. A few nay-sayers and denialists aside (and we all know who pays their bills), all serious scientists concur that the North is not on top, the South is. That's why Australia is commonly referred to as Up-over, and so on. And therefore, East to West is anticlockwise, and let's have no further argument about it, we of the Global South aren't dumb you know, we're alive to these sinister conspiracies, and *we* know that the centrifugal momentum of human-caused mass-pro-clockwisism is causing the world to spin faster, swelling the equatorial bulge, with really gross effects on the climate we all have to share, especially us. Longitudinality is at least spin-neutral, but it doesn't help either, longitudinal circumnavigators are just fence-sitters. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
Keith et. al., When you quote Frank Zappa from the first Frank Zappa album I ever purchased and listened to from beginning to end (rinse, repeat,) it reminds me that when folks start publically espouse their faith, keep one hand on your wallet and the other on your wife (or husband.) They want something from you and they will do anything to get it. When they start bringing it into politics they are more determined to take it rather than ask. Become a member of the flock or you will not get your government funds for insert program here. Religion and politics bring out the absolute worst in people!! Perhaps that is why it should be avoided by people as a general rule. (And no, I am not an Athiest.) fred On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:42:40 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.americanvision.org/articlearchive/02-09-05.asp Did George Bush Lie About America Being Founded on Christian Principles? By Gary DeMar Its interesting to note that this article makes the very foolish leap from god to jesus. God is referenced several times but jesus is only refernced 3 times and the author claims that the words lord and god really mean jesus. Further, the bulk of christian principles are also reflected in every other major (and minor) religon. So, while the country was founded by primarily christians, and such principles were present, I read the message authors like DeMar are sending as, We should emulate the Bible and as such persecute those who don't endorse it. Last I checked, my country (USA) was founded on principles that stood in defiance of just such persecutions. Aarghhh! I can't stand it! I just got to do this... From previous: I don't think we can casually dismiss these folks as a minor fruitcake fringe anymore. Only now??? Let's go back 23.5 years, to... Frank Zappa, September 1981 Dumb All Over http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/lyrics/You_Are_What_You_Is.html#Dumb Whoever we are Wherever we're from We shoulda noticed by now Our behavior is dumb And if our chances Expect to improve It's gonna take a lot more Than tryin' to remove The other race Or the other whatever From the face Of the planet altogether They call it THE EARTH Which is a dumb kinda name But they named it right 'Cause we behave the same . . . We are dumb all over Dumb all over, Yes we are Dumb all over, Near 'n far Dumb all over, Black 'n white People, we is not wrapped tight Nurds on the left Nurds on the right Religious fanatics On the air every night Sayin' the Bible Tells the story 'N makes the details Sound real gory 'Bout what to do If the geeks over there Don't believe in the book We got over here You can't run a race Without no feet 'N pretty soon There won't be no street For dummies to jog on Or doggies to dog on Religious fanatics Can make it be all gone (I mean it won't blow up 'N disappear It'll just look ugly For a thousand years . . . ) You can't run a country By a book of religion Not by a heap Or a lump or a smidgeon Of foolish rules Of ancient date Designed to make You all feel great While you fold, spindle And mutilate Those unbelievers From a neighboring state TO ARMS! TO ARMS! Hooray! That's great Two legs ain't bad Unless there's a crate They ship the parts To mama in For souvenirs: two ears (Get Down!) Not his, not hers (but what the hey?) The Good Book says: It gotta be that way! But their book says: REVENGE THE CRUSADES . . . With whips 'n chains 'N hand grenades . . . TWO ARMS? TWO ARMS? Have another and another Our God says: There ain't no other! Our God says It's all okay! Our God says This is the way! It says in the book: Burn 'n destroy . . . 'N repent, 'n redeem 'N revenge, 'n deploy 'N rumble thee forth To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side 'Cause they don't go for what's in the book 'N that makes 'em BAD So verily we must choppeth them up And stompeth them down Or rent a nice French bomb To poof them out of existance While leaving their real estate just where we need it To use again For temples in which to praise OUR GOD (Cause he can really take care of business!) And when his humble TV servant With humble white hair And humble glasses And a nice brown suit And maybe a blonde wife who takes phone calls Tells us our God says It's okay to do this stuff Then we gotta do it, 'Cause if we don't do it, We ain't gwine up to hebbin! (Depending on which book you're using at the time . . . Can't use theirs . . . it don't work . . . it's all lies . . . Gotta use mine . . . ) Ain't that right? That's what they say Every night . . . Every day . . . Hey, we can't really be dumb If we're just following God's Orders Hey, Let's get serious . . . God knows what he's doin' . . . He wrote this book here An' the book says: He made us all to be just like Him, so . . . If we're dumb . . . Then God is
Re: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home madebio-diesel
I'm in the Twin Cities. It may be a road trip but worth it. fred On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:36:16 -0600, Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You bet it's available Fred! What part of MN are you in? I'm in south central, very near Easton. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home madebio-diesel Say Mike, If you have an extra water heater, I am in Minnesota and might be able to easily get it if there was one available!! fred On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:34:17 -0600, Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Dana Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel snip I am building the Appleseed reactor and so far I have spent about $200 on lab gear (glass ware, pH meter, scale, etc.), and three steel 55 gal drums. Still looking for a suitable 50-60 gal water heater for which I will most likely spend $50 - $100 from a local used plumbing shop. To bad we don't live closer to one another as I have assembled quite a selection of extremely tenderly used electric water heaters. I currently have 2 that were installed, tested, and promptly removed due to leaking regulator valves. Now I'm no plumber, but wouldn't it make more sense to replace the water heater for that particular job, certainly, but back at the shop, trash the bad regulator and install a good one, rather than trash the whole water heater because of a leaking regulator? Anyway, I imagine the cost of shipping would negate any cost benefits my tanks might have offered in the first place. Perhaps a few suggestions. Instead of plumbers, try small hardware stores that offer installation services. That's were I am having my best luck. Another tip from a pro is to gather your intel first! Before you go into these places to ask, drive around behind their place of business, or beside them. Look for what it is you are after, water heaters. 99% of the time they will leave used water heaters, and old washers and dryers, sitting outside in relatively easy places for their damn, we had to pay these guys junk men, to come and pick them up, usually once or twice a month, depending on the stores activity level. These places have to pay somewhere around $20 to $30 each to dispose of these units, though that fact will rarely stop them from trying to earn a buck or two if you let them. That part is completely up to you. As for me, I am taking so many water heaters now that one hardware store owner approached me Wednesday of last week (2-2-05) asking if I would sign an agreement! LOL Uhm, thanks, but no thanks. I did my best not to laugh, though I'm not sure how successful I was. My point is good used tanks are out there, and I would hate like hell for anyone to have to pay for something that is already headed for either the dump, or the scrapyard. Oh ya, and if you have never torn apart a water heater, you don't know what real stress relief is !!! It's great fun! AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel
Say Mike, If you have an extra water heater, I am in Minnesota and might be able to easily get it if there was one available!! fred On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:34:17 -0600, Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Dana Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel snip I am building the Appleseed reactor and so far I have spent about $200 on lab gear (glass ware, pH meter, scale, etc.), and three steel 55 gal drums. Still looking for a suitable 50-60 gal water heater for which I will most likely spend $50 - $100 from a local used plumbing shop. To bad we don't live closer to one another as I have assembled quite a selection of extremely tenderly used electric water heaters. I currently have 2 that were installed, tested, and promptly removed due to leaking regulator valves. Now I'm no plumber, but wouldn't it make more sense to replace the water heater for that particular job, certainly, but back at the shop, trash the bad regulator and install a good one, rather than trash the whole water heater because of a leaking regulator? Anyway, I imagine the cost of shipping would negate any cost benefits my tanks might have offered in the first place. Perhaps a few suggestions. Instead of plumbers, try small hardware stores that offer installation services. That's were I am having my best luck. Another tip from a pro is to gather your intel first! Before you go into these places to ask, drive around behind their place of business, or beside them. Look for what it is you are after, water heaters. 99% of the time they will leave used water heaters, and old washers and dryers, sitting outside in relatively easy places for their damn, we had to pay these guys junk men, to come and pick them up, usually once or twice a month, depending on the stores activity level. These places have to pay somewhere around $20 to $30 each to dispose of these units, though that fact will rarely stop them from trying to earn a buck or two if you let them. That part is completely up to you. As for me, I am taking so many water heaters now that one hardware store owner approached me Wednesday of last week (2-2-05) asking if I would sign an agreement! LOL Uhm, thanks, but no thanks. I did my best not to laugh, though I'm not sure how successful I was. My point is good used tanks are out there, and I would hate like hell for anyone to have to pay for something that is already headed for either the dump, or the scrapyard. Oh ya, and if you have never torn apart a water heater, you don't know what real stress relief is !!! It's great fun! AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
You would think that the current administration and their so-called Culture of Life talking heads would be up in arms over this clown's statements. Too bad the Culture of Life was ever good enough for anyone in the Middle East. Disgusting, fred On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:00:27 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, Very disturbing, but some militaries are very hyped about their work. I guess that he needs his attitude to consolidate the fact that he has been taking human lives. If indeed he has been doing that and it's not just vicarious (even sicker?) - a senior U.S. Marine Corps general? How much frontline action does he ever see? Right there in the firing line? Maybe... The latter is very difficult to live with and different people develop different protection and excuses to be able to go on with their life. Often there are some sort of denial of the victims right to live, because they were so bad. The guy is obviously sick and in urgent need of help. Hmph - the kind that grows from the barrel of a gun maybe, give him a dose of his own medicine... No, I don't really mean that - an eye for a tooth doesn't get us anywhere except rapidly backwards. Regards Keith Hakan At 08:51 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded troops in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and is slated to be portrayed by star actor Harrison Ford in an upcoming Hollywood movie, made the comments at a conference on Tuesday in San Diego, California. Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like brawling, Mattis said. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] MODERATOR MESSAGE PLEASE READ
Being one of the guilty I apologize for this error in posting. fred On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:21:47 -0500, Martin K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, Every once in a while people start to forget how they should send replies to the mailing list. For example, if you have a one-line reply to a message and you leave 4 replies below it, the signal to noise ratio is very low (BAD). Therefore, **Please trim your replies! ** To make the messages easier to read, and to make the list digest readable at all. If you reply, please leave only the relevant information in addition to your message. I'll try to make a an example: From: Mrs. Obvious Subject: Re: Killing puppies is bad To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I concur. Mr Obvious wrote: Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! -- As you can see, more information was in the reply than necessary, thus wasting a lot of time of the 2710 people that receive your messages. Here is what Mrs. Obvious should have replied: --- From: Mrs. Obvious Subject: Re: Killing puppies is bad To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I concur! Mr Obvious wrote: Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good! -- Thank you for your time :) -- Martin K http://wwia.org/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] MODERATOR MESSAGE PLEASE READ
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Re: [Biofuel] looking for a van
I just purchased a Grumman Olson Kubvan. It is a Volkswagen Diesel powered van that is all aluminum. There are a few still floating around. If you can find one they are easy to work on. fred On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:16:02 +, Sam Braswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 85 Ford E350 XL with dual tanks...it just busted the head gasket at 200,000, but the 6.9 International V8 is noted for many more milesmake me an offer...in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. Original Message Follows From: Busyditch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Biofuel] looking for a van Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 01:16:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from nnytech.net ([64.19.75.36]) by mc8-f29.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:38:24 -0800 Received: (qmail 21827 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 12:28:44 - Received: from localhost (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 12:28:44 - Received: (qmail 5296 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2004 06:12:14 - Received: from out011pub.verizon.net (HELO out011.verizon.net) (206.46.170.135)by 0 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2004 06:12:14 - Received: from l5v8v6 ([68.160.113.156]) by out011.verizon.net(InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTPid [EMAIL PROTECTED];Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:12:07 -0600 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHcrnNv7YXDwrYbro1k15aC Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] moonshoes.com X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from[68.160.113.156] at Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:12:05 -0600 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:28:28 + X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: biofuel.wwia.org List-Unsubscribe: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel,mailto:biofuel-requ [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel,mailto:biofuel-requ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2004 12:38:25.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A083300:01C4EDA3] Try this ebay search. Nice looking reefer van in Hollywood. http://search.ebay.com/diesel-van_W0QQsofocusZbsQQcatrefZC5QQfromZR 7QQnojsprZyQQpfidZ0QQsosortpropertyZ1QQsocolumnlayoutZ3QQsorecordsp erpageZ50 - Original Message - From: Twiggymoonshoes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 12:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] looking for a van I am looking for a used diesel van. Any suggestions on which make is better for biodiesel? I am currently home brewing for my 1979 Rabbit. Also, does anyone know of vans for sale? I am having trouble finding one. I am located in California, but all areas will be considered. thanks David ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE
hehe... It's been Godwined... finally. At 05:34 PM 7/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: Thank you Keith, for the first time on this list, I have been using the delete button constantly. Bright Blessings, Kim At 02:40 PM 7/5/2004, you wrote: - was Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Long, but please read it anyway. I very much hope this generates some discussion at least here. I can tell you that the future of the list is not 100% assured. Some of us are working damned hard to try to make sure that it does have a secure future. I think we should know it if all we're trying so hard to defend turns out to be just a rabble after all. Your choice. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] USDA: Cattle Brains May Be Turned Into Biofuels
Too bad the same can't be done to politician's brains. Even run through a methane digester would produce less gas than when in office. fred At 03:26 PM 5/18/2004 -0700, you wrote: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=585e=3u=/nm/20040517/sc_nm/madcow_waste_dc USDA: Cattle Brains May Be Turned Into Biofuels Mon May 17, 5:36 PM ET Add Science - Reuters to My Yahoo! By Richard Cowan WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Cattle brains and other remains that may carry the deadly mad cow disease would be turned into biofuels under a plan announced on Monday by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (news - web sites). Cattle brains, skull, eyes, spinal column, small intestine and other parts suspected of harboring mad cow disease were banned from human consumption in December as a safety precaution, shortly after the discovery of the first case of mad cow disease in the United States. Some consumer groups have called on the Bush administration to go a step further and ban these specified risk materials from swine, poultry and other animal feed made from ground-up cattle remains. All cattle parts already are banned from cattle feed to protect against the spread of mad cow disease. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) is considering tougher regulations on animal feed since finding the brain-wasting disease in the United States. One month ago, an agency official said FDA was considering banning specified risk materials from poultry and swine feed. Under the new USDA program, a $50 million loan guarantee program would be set up to help small businesses in rural areas develop ways to turn cattle brains and other high-risk parts into a bio-based source of energy. Bill Hagy, a deputy administrator at USDA's rural development agency, said the purpose of the pilot program was to gauge commercial interest and to solicit ideas for alternate energy uses for the cattle parts. There are incinerating facilities out there that possibility could, with some retooling, be able to accommodate the need, Hagy said. But Hagy said he did not know whether the pilot program was aimed at finding new uses for the risky cattle parts if they are banned from all animal feed. A spokeswoman for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association (news - web sites) said her organization supports the USDA pilot program. A wider ban on the high-risk cattle parts has been watched closely by the U.S. soybean futures market. With tight soy supplies in the United States, a significant change in animal feed rules could have a big impact on products that could be used as a substitute in animal feeds, such as soybean meal. Currently, the carcasses of cattle slaughtered at U.S. packing plants are typically sent to a separate rendering plant to be made into food for other animals, cosmetics or other materials. Last year, the United States slaughtered more than 35 million cattle. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Copper tubing....
Let's make this less confusing... IIRC = If I Recall Correctly fred At 03:59 PM 3/31/2004 -0600, you wrote: If I Remember Correctly---it's email shorthand. Mark McElvy wrote: What is IIRC Copper? -Original Message- From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:55 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Copper tubing IIRC Copper can cause the wrong kind of catalyzing, promoting branching chains, instead of breaking them. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 16:23 Subject: [biofuel] Copper tubing I am getting ready to build my first processor. It appears that everyone uses black to plumb everything. I have read that galvanized can be used but is not good. How about copper tubing? Will it stand up to the chemicals used to process bio-diesel? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.435.9628 - Office 573.435.1429 - Fax 281.682.4181 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma...
Just a few pointers with regards to your last comments. Slavery was a real thing. It was well documented. Saddam's WMD (or should I say Bush's WMD) were undetermined. The Threat was overplayed. Administrations will do stoopid things to justify their existance. Too bad they document it as well. fred At 04:03 AM 2/22/2004 +, you wrote: After reading this i just wanted to say you are right. I am NOT racist, but Lincoln used slavery and the Emancipation Proclamation to justify the civil war when it was over half way finished. This is the same propaganda that Bush used with WMD's. Its similar to the hegelian effect. I have a declassified paper right from the governments site that explains how they staged the whole cuban missile crisis. Their own document. Says they had friendly cubans stage riots for the media. Says they had a pilot fly below radar and radio that he was shot down. He then flew to an undisclosed hangar to then rejoin his post. While he did this a boat was scattering airplane parts in the water. The US also documented starting fires on their own ship. All this to create a crisis. This sounds crazy, but I would never make this up. I have learned more in the last 2 years than i thought could ever be possible. My main point is that everything is NOT always as the mainstream media makes it out to be. Take care. Mike M. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The worst part is that the masses can't see that this particlar war like hundreds of wars before it, was started to make somebody an extra dollar they really didn't need. The corporate bullies can always fake the reason for a war, or sucker some fool into starting the war for them. After all, they must stay in game shape and since it's always young men who are the bulk that are killed in wars, they will never relax their grip. And that's good for population/power control. All they have to do is keep us bickering among ourselves and working for the almighty dollar and the inmates run the assylum without any guards. We could easily defeat them, since we out number them about 99 to 1, unfortunately the only weapon I know that will work is communication. And since humans will go to such great lengths to avoid communicating, we are stuck in a huge Catch 22. When we finally learn that all humans are equal and every parent on the planet wants the same good fortune (and deserves it) for their offspring, then corporate rule will just fade away without a shot being fired. Until that day, remember virtually all politics/governments are evil and not looking out for anyone except the top 1% of the money holders. kris --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enteresting corrolary. Nicely put. Worth giving some arduous thought. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma... Those who feel the pre-emptive surpise attack on Iraq, killing thousands of civilians, was morally justified cite the following beliefs. If they were sincerely held, even if not supported by facts, then the war was justified. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Don't any of you play poker? / was Moral Dilemna
Hey Walt, Your analogy was only partially correct. He held a fake gun and the judge said that the cop would shoot unless he proved it was a fake gun. He began to show that he had no bullets and the cop shot him anyway. Don't forget that there were inspectors allowed back into Iraq before the US went on it's little war. fred At 09:51 AM 2/22/2004 -0800, you wrote: International diplomacy is a game of high stakes poker played with billion dollar chips and stacks of human lives. Saddam really enjoyed the prestige that came with playing in the high stakes game, and did everything he could to make the world think that he still had WMD, in part because that kept him at the table, and in part because of the prestige that gave him in that part of the world. It was a bluff because apparently he spent the money not on actual weapons programs, but on himself and his cronies, and when it came time to show his cards, all he held was a busted flush. What Saddam did was akin to the punk who pulls a fake gun on a cop. The punk will definitely succeed at getting the cop's attention, but no matter how convincing the fake gun looks, the outcome is not in doubt, and I for one can't blame the cop for blowing the fool away. Walt Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma...
If that had been the objective, ordinary diplomacy would have done it cheaper. Yes, but the outcome would have decades out. And they would *still* have had that pesky Saddam to deal with. It was far easier to just spend billions and perform an illegal act. If the British Empire had kept its foot on the neck of the Middle East (most of which was British up to WWII) we'd be buying the same oil from Tony Blair. too bad for them I guess, eh? Frankly, all sides have blood on their hands. All the way to the dawning days of Homo Erectus. Big deal. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Williams)== == waiting, anticipating / for someone to save her soul / well, I == == ain't no new Messiah / but I'm close enough for rock and roll! == = http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/index.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Fwd: FW: Feeling Patriotic?
My father-in-law tried that I'm-a-vet-so-what-I-think-counts-more- than-what-you-think garbage with me one time. Granted he did serve in WWII and I do appreciate it. However on the day that he pulled his I'm-a-Vet line on me I was ready to put it in perspective for him. This occurred during the Clinton Oral office incident. My father- in-law said that as a vet that Draft-Dodging-Dirtbag should be tossed out of office! I told him that I thought the whole affair was laughable at best but impeachment was an overreaction. Well, his opinion was that since he served his country that he put the time in so his opinion should count more than mine. To which I responed How does that work, if you served you get to vote in elections more than once? It made him think of what he was saying beyond the issue we were talking about for a moment. He now is very careful about bringing up political personalities. If his most hated liberal of the day does something that seems unsavory, a right-wing zealot gets exposed as a hypocrite. fred --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Sid In a message dated 1/4/2004 12:04:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All: As a US Veteran (Purple Heart) I fully support your freedom of communicating your perspective is speach or letters. l do not however, fully agree with what you wrote. Best regards, Clouston Energy Research, LLC Sidney Clouston It's a bit puzzling. First, Gustl didn't write it, he forwarded it (clearly marked as such). Jennifer Sellers wrote it. Second, of course you're welcome to disagree, but then you should say why you disagree, and perhaps offer some alternative view or information. Otherwise there's no discussion and nothing goes forward. The only apparent reason for your disagreement that you've offered is that you're a US Veteran (Purple Heart). That's no reason at all, as Todd said. Why would the opinion of a US veteran carry any special weight in such issues? Especially on an international list like this one. I'd say it's irrelevant. You admit something similar - a veteran needn't necessarily be right, and needn't necessarily be wrong either: ... It would be wrong to think that any Veteran by virtue being a Veteran has all truth to say without being analyzed for valid aspects if any. Conversely, being a Veteran does not preclude any veracity. Just like anyone else. Anyway, many US veterans would agree with Jennifer Sellers, many say similar things, write similar articles and post them on the Internet. As Gustl did - Gustl is himself a US veteran. Would you fully agree with this, for instance? (There are plenty more instances.) http://www.lefthook.org/Politics/Seidman3%2003.html An Interview with Stan Goff Stan Goff knows better than most people about what really goes on in the US military. He served from 1970 through 1996, for many years as a Master Sergeant with the Special Forces and Delta Force and as a military instructor at West Point. In the process of his military career he was deployed to Vietnam, South Korea, Colombia, El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, Peru, Venezuela, Somalia, and Haiti. Retired, he is now an anti-imperialist activist and founder of Bring Them Home Now (www.bringthemhomenow.org). He is the author of Hideous Dream: A Soldier's Memoir of the US Invasion of Haiti, as well as the forthcoming Full Spectrum Disorder. He lives in Raleigh, NC. [more] It is in the interest of better understanding that I return comments. You haven't said anything yet except that you don't fully agree. Best wishes Keith Dear Fellows and Friends: It is in the interest of better understanding that I return comments. First off a correction in my name which if observed closely one would notice only one y in it as I spelled it. Please correct your records Mr. Swearingen. Guess that's easy to understand Sydney. Your voice is but one of 260 some odd million (in the US). There's bound to be a few people in such a lot who think, believe and see things differently. Here I fully agree, as I learned in college philosophy of the many fallacies of reasoning one may be in error in. One fallacy is Argumentum ad Hominem (Latin for argument against the man). It would be wrong to think that any Veteran by virtue being a Veteran has all truth to say without being analyzed for valid aspects if any. Conversely, being a Veteran does not preclude any veracity. I suggest as many thousands of Philosophers against the many fallacies of reasoning, so we ought to examine the specific conclusions or premises for validity perhaps being weak or strong if valid at all. However, being a veteran or having received a purple heart is not the qualifiier of one stream of thought or another. There are,
[biofuel] Re: Just one man's observation! Was: Looking at the RESPONSE ... too all that's going onin the world.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Domenick V. Amato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. According to Webster's it is unsolicited usually commercial E-mail sent to a large number of addresses . Dom, Glad you took the time to look it up. His response was not un- solicited and it was sent to only one address, the Biofuels list. There was no comercial value in it. If you had read the thread, you would understand how this pertains to Biofuels. fred Dom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:03 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Just one man's observation! Was: Looking at the RESPONSE ... too all that's going onin the world. Also, do you know what spam really is (in terms of the internet and not hormel?) fred --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say Dom, Did you bother to look at the entire thread? Or are you the new self- appointed Topic-Cop? fred --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Domenick V. Amato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you move your discussions to a group for which it is appropriate? You are certainly entitled to what ever political opinions you have and you are entitled to speak whatever you like. This, however, is NOT the place for it. It is SPAM relative to the topics for which this group is organized. To the extent that you continue with this political self-indulgence, you damage the purpose of this group. Dom Amato - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Just one man's observation! Was: Looking at the RESPONSE ... too all that's going onin the world. As long as you care to stick your head in the sand you'll never find one, nor realize that this group is about as good as it gets short of breaking Biofuel down into individual sub-sets. Switching lists will not make biofuel of any sort any less political, as you would care to put it. It's your own politics that draw you into the field in the first place. Get over it or get out of it. Meanwhile, the rest of the world has a great stake in how international administrations handle issues that determine control and use of fossil fuels. Oddly enough, that includes war and rumours of war. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tim Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Just one man's observation! Was: Looking at the RESPONSE ... too all that's going onin the world. To whom it may concern: I am leaving this news group because it is anything but a news group about biofuel. I was hoping to learn a lot, but unfortunately it takes too long to sort through the unrelated emails. Does anyone know of a good discussion group where they stick to the subject matter and actually discuss producing biofuels and alternate energy sources. If so please let me know. I would love to get involved. -Original Message- From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 7:03 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Just one man's observation! Was: Looking at the RESPONSE ... too all that's going onin the world. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 13:41 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Just one man's observation! Was: Looking at the RESPONSE ... too all that's going onin the world. Greg, Compared to Iraq, North Korea are able and probably more disciplined/motivated and a lot more dangerous than the Iraqi army. I do no want to do any clear cut final military judgement, but it is my opinion. The threat is also of more geographical nature. They have WMDs, they are known to be in the arms business and are more likely to sell WMDs than Iraq. You are not joking there. I think the fact that North Korea has been for the most part quiet, is a factor of why were more willing to negotiate. It is not too difficult to wage war against a nation with 80% of the population under 16 and suppressed women. What a formidable global threat to the heroic US of A. Take away the old men
[biofuel] Re: Just one man's observation! Was: Looking at the RESPONSE ... too all that's going onin the world.
Greg, Thank you for the further clarification regarding the SPAM issue that Domenick brought up. BTW, Is the Abrams tank the one with the turbine? I like turbines, they pack a lot of punch in a small package. They make great flame throwers too! E-mail me off list if you want to hear what I did with one. fred --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One small problem Dom, by joining the list, you solicited all E- mail from it, not just this post and that post. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Domenick V. Amato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 07:19 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Just one man's observation! Was: Looking at the RESPONSE ... too all that's going onin the world. Yes. According to Webster's it is unsolicited usually commercial E-mail sent to a large number of addresses . Dom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/