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[Biofuel] Diminishing Returns, Energy Return on Energy Invested, and Collapse
http://ourfiniteworld.com/2013/12/06/diminishing-returns-energy-return-on-energy-invested-and-collapse/ [referenced figures and links are available from the source] Diminishing Returns, Energy Return on Energy Invested, and Collapse Posted on December 6, 2013 by Gail Tverberg What do diminishing returns, energy return on energy invested (EROI or EROEI), and collapse have to do with each other? Let me start by explaining the connection between Diminishing Returns and Collapse. Diminishing Returns and Collapse We know that historically, many economies that have collapsed were ones that have hit “diminishing returns” with respect to human labor–that is, new workers added less production than existing workers were producing (on average). For example, in an agricultural economy, available land might already have as many farmers as the land can optimally use. Adding more farmers might add a little more production–perhaps the new workers would keep weeds down a bit better. But the amount of additional food the new workers would produce would be less than what earlier workers were producing, on average. If new workers were paid on the basis of their additional food production, they would find that their wages dropped relative to those of the original farmers. Lack of good paying jobs for everyone leads to a need for workarounds of various kinds. For example, swamp land might be drained to add more farmland, or irrigation ditches might be added to increase the amount produced per acre. Or the government might hire a larger army might to conquer more territory. Joseph Tainter (1990) talks about this need for workarounds as a need for greater “complexity.” In many cases, greater complexity translates to a need for more government services to handle the problems at hand. Turchin and Nefedof (2009) in Secular Cycles took Tainter’s analysis a step further, analyzing financial data relating to historical collapses of eight agricultural societies in operation between the years 30 B.C. E. and 1922 C. E.. Figure 1 shows my summary of the pattern they describe. Figure 1. Shape of typical Secular Cycle, based on work of Peter Turkin and Sergey Nefedov. Typically, a civilization developed a new resource which increased food availability, such as clearing a large plot of land of trees so that crops could be planted, or irrigating an existing plot of land. The economy tended to expand for well over 100 years, as the population grew in size to match the potential output of the new resource. Wages were relatively high. Eventually, the civilization hit a period of stagflation, typically lasting 50 or 60 years, as the population hit the carrying capacity of the land, and as additional workers did not add proportionately more output. When this happened, the wages of common workers tended to stagnate or decrease, resulting in increased wage disparity. The price of food tended to spike. To counter these problems, the amount of government services rose, as did the amount of debt. Ultimately, what brought the civilizations down was the inability of governments to collect enough taxes for expanded government services from the increasingly impoverished citizens. Other factors played a role as well–more resource wars, leading to more deaths; impoverished common workers not being able to afford an adequate diet, so plagues were more able to spread; overthrown or collapsing governments; and debt defaults. Populations tended to die off. Such collapses took place over a long period, typically 20 to 50 years. For those who are familiar with economic theory, the shape of the curve in Figure 1 is very similar to the production function mentioned in Two Views of our Current Economic and Energy Crisis. In fact, the three main phases are the same as well. The issue in both cases is diminishing returns ultimately leading to collapse. There seems to be a parallel to the current world situation. The energy resource that we learned to develop this time is fossil fuels, starting with coal about 1800. World population was able to expand greatly because of additional food production permitted by fossil fuels and because of improvements in hygiene. A period of stagflation began in the 1970s, when we first encountered problems with US oil production and spiking oil prices. Now, the question is whether we are approaching the Crisis Stage as described by Turchin and Nefedov. Why Might an Economy Collapse? Let’s think about how an economy operates. It is built up from many parts, over time. It includes one or more governments, together with the laws and regulations they pass and together with their financial systems. It includes businesses and consumers. It includes built infrastructure, such as roads and electricity transmission lines. It even includes traditions and customs, such as whether savings are held in gold jewelry or in banks, and whether farms are inherited by the oldest son. As each new business is formed, the owners make
[Biofuel] NZ on track to miss targets by huge margin
NZ on track to miss targets by huge margin, 28 Oct, 2013 http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2013/10/28/policy-politics/nz-track-miss-targets-huge-margin Climate Policy Politics Reuters Point Carbon New Zealand’s greenhouse gas emissions are set to rise nearly 50 per cent by 2040, according to new government modelling, taking the country well off course to meet its commitment to cut emissions in half by mid-century.* A report from the ministry of environment showed the country’s net emissions are expected to grow to nearly 90 million tonnes of CO2 equivalent in 2040 from current levels of around 60 million, while the government target is to bring emissions down to 30 million tonnes by 2050. “The trend in net emissions is dominated by our projections of emissions and removals from forestry,” the report said. A large number of CO2-absorbing trees planted in the country in the 1990s are set to be harvested at the end of this decade, meaning overall emissions are likely to rise throughout the 2020s, it added. Asked by the Green Party in parliament about the projections on Wednesday, Simon Bridges, associate minister for climate change, said emissions were projected to rise because of current low carbon prices in the country’s Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS). Critics have said New Zealand’s carbon market is too weak to incentivise forest-planting, with carbon prices so low that foresters make more profit chopping down trees to sell the timber. “We know that as we make progress in international (climate change) negotiations, that carbon price will surely rise,” Bridges said. “The emissions trading scheme is a long-term tool, and it is not hard to imagine that with a good outcome on a new global agreement and leadership from the major economies, we will need to adjust our own domestic policy response, as well.” Domestic emissions permits in the New Zealand ETS currently trade at NZ$3.75 ($3.15), but companies are also allowed to comply by buying U.N.-backed carbon credits, which are available for only 30 cents each. The New Zealand government last year removed legislation that would have forced big companies to pay for a bigger share of their emissions and restrict access to international credits - both moves that would have driven up carbon prices. It also put on hold indefinitely including in the scheme emissions from agriculture, which accounts for nearly 50 per cent of New Zealand’s emissions. “It is policy incoherence of this breath-taking dimension that wins us fossil awards at the U.N. conferences – with Warsaw beckoning next month,” said Greens MP Kennedy Graham on his blog on Wednesday. He was referring to the infamous prizes awarded by green groups at U.N. climate negotiations to the countries they deem to be failing to act to tackle climate change. The main annual meeting takes place next month in Poland, where countries will be tasked with making progress towards a 2015 global pact to bind all nations into curbing emissions from 2020. A spokesman for Climate Change Minister Tim Groser told Reuters on Thursday that the government had no plans to reform the nation’s carbon market. He said government will continue to fund research on greenhouse gases from food production. “The Government is investing $45 million into the Global Research Alliance on Greenhouse Gases, bringing together 40 countries to find ways to grow more food without growing greenhouse gas emissions,” he added ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
[Biofuel] Buyers unmoved by Sandy's reclaimed wood
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20130823/SMALLBIZ/130829952 Buyers unmoved by Sandy's reclaimed wood Busted boardwalks and homes delivered tropical hardwoods and popular pine to the reclamation market. But buyers are picky, and demolition crews know one person's trash is another's gold. BY JONATHAN BLUM AUGUST 23, 2013 6:39 A.M. Superstorm Sandy's swath of destruction shredded houses and boardwalks, depositing a thicket of old timber onto the city's wood recycling market. But making money from the newly available ancient timbers has proven to be a grind. We worked with the Parks Department initially on the boardwalk wood, said Alan Solomon, partner at Sawkill Lumber, the Brooklyn-based reclaimed lumber firm. We were able to save quite a bit of the tropical hardwood there. But most of it was trashed. Overall, the market has been slow. Firms that reclaim hardwood from city buildings and what could be saved from Sandy are adapting to a market that has changed rapidly since recycling old beams and boards came into the fore a decade or so ago, when the wood was cheap to acquire and easy to sell to green-conscious designers. The wood salvaged from Sandy has yet to translate into big profits. There was a time, five or 10 years ago, when trucks would pull up and just ask to give us fabulous material, said Joseph Pepe, sales manager at M. Fine Lumber, the Brooklyn-based lumber recycling and manufacturing firm. The company would not disclose sales or revenues figures but said it's also handling recycled Sandy material. Now it's much more competitive, he said. Bidding wars for trashed boards The challenges salvage firms like M. Fine and Sawkill face begin with the basics of procuring the material—that is, finding suitable material in old buildings ready for demolition. Inventory in has been stubbornly lean since the financial crash. There have been fewer transactions and construction projects, and when buildings are dismantled, property owners and demolition contractors are well-aware that their trash is another's gold. We are bidding for every job against many other companies—that never used to happen, said Larry Stopper, partner in Bigwood, the Naples, N.Y.-based recycling firm that generates about a $1 million per year in sales of reclaimed wood from deals done throughout Northeast, including pulling material from the Brooklyn waterfront. And if you blow your estimates, you are up the creek. You can very easily do a very large job for nothing. Architects, interior designers and furniture makers have also become increasingly selective about the species and quality of the material they are willing to invest in, with each tree serving a niche. Mr. Solomon said reclaimed yellow pine, the once predominant log in the eastern U.S., sells for $5 per board foot. Oak and chestnut run $7. Tropical hardwoods—found in the destroyed Rockaways boardwalk—sell for $10 to $20. European hardwoods imported for the city's original buildings sit atop the market. I have seen those go for $50 a foot, said Mr. Solomon. Reclaimed hard wood is generally at least twice as expensive as boards milled from timber forests. Companies buy the wood from demolition contractor, then they must remove nails and other fasteners, mill, cut to length, dry, and transport the finished wood to their customers. All of which makes reclaimed lumber owners and managers choosy about which woods they invest in. Bigwood's Mr. Stopper said the tropical hardwoods like those found in the city's old boardwalks must compete with huge demand for oak. Wood from Sandy also suffered damage from the sea. Some flood waters contained fuel and other toxins. It used to be we would try to turn everybody who came to us into a sale, said Klaas Armster, partner in Sawkill Lumber. Eventually everything sells, but now I have to be much more creative about which jobs we take. In fact, the pricing pressure for reclaimed lumber has become so intense that some local wood recyclers are giving up on sourcing material from the New York metropolitan area. The prices New York-sourced wood is asking are astronomical, said Vincent Kaufmann, operations manager at LV Wood, a Manhattan-based reclaimed wood retailer, whose eight employees handle 75,000 feet to 100,000 feet of wood products monthly. I can get the exact same beams at a much more reasonable price from dealers down south, he said. And the supply is much more consistent. Selling the story in the beams. Eco-conscious customers value the story behind a boards: where it's from, how old it is, and what the material was used for in its original life. Bigwood handled the wood coming out of one of the first condom factories in the U.S. I don't know why, said Mr. Stopper, But it didn't matter what else I was selling, everybody wanted a piece of the condom factory. As compelling as Sandy's hurricane in one's house story might appear, its tale has yet to translate into major sales. When I consider the prospect for a
[Biofuel] A New Deal for Appalachia’s Forests: Growing Biofuels?
http://www.yesmagazine.org/new-economy/could-biofuels-mean-a-new-deal-for-appalachia-s-forests A New Deal for Appalachia’s Forests: Growing Biofuels? The mine-ravaged communities of Eastern Kentucky have been increasingly abandoned by the coal economy. Could growing biofuels jumpstart a new local jobs market—and renew the land in the process? by Mark Andrew Boyer posted May 31, 2013 Using valuable food crops like corn and sugar cane to produce biofuels has been a highly controversial topic in the age of imminent food crises. But nobody is growing corn on the former strip mines of Eastern Kentucky. A look at the region on Google Earth shows a patchwork of bald spots in the forested hills. Surface mining left its mark on the Appalachian landscape through much of the 20th century, as large swaths of native forests were replaced with sparse, scrubby grassland. But University of Kentucky forestry professor Chris Barton sees in the compacted soil of old strip mines the possibility of using former surface mine land for short-rotation forestry—in order to produce fuel. Here's how it would work: Fast-growing, native trees like black locust could be grown and harvested every five to 10 years; then, the woodchips would be burned in an oxygen-restricted condition to produce combustible gases that in turn could be used to generate energy and heat. After a few generations of short-rotation harvests, the land could be transitioned to a long-term forest. Barton is the founder of Green Forests Work, a nonprofit spin-off of the Appalachian Regional Reforestation Initiative that seeks to reforest lands scarred by mining with native trees—all the while helping to rebuild struggling local economies. These are what strip-mined hills look like. Photo courtesy of Gabe B. A Conservation Corps for the 21st Century When President Obama delivered his 2009 inauguration speech, he talked about creating green jobs. A light bulb turned on for Barton. Realizing that his reforestation initiative was a shovel-ready project that could create jobs right away, Barton began thinking about approaching the federal government for financial support. Instead of depending on a single, monolithic employer to create jobs, Hall would like to see people taking job creation into their own hands. Surface mining strips away nutrient-rich topsoil and leaves a devastated landscape that is prone to landslides and water contamination. With the passage of the Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act of 1977, mining companies were required to stabilize the land when they were finished mining in order to control erosion. But instead of merely stabilizing, mining companies over-compacted more than 1 million acres of former surface mines using bulldozers. This made it difficult for anything other than grasses and other non-native vegetation to grow. This is an environment that had over 100 species of vegetation prior to the mining, explains Barton. And when you get out on the sites and look down, it's not like looking at your yard and seeing lush grass carpeting; you're going to see very sparse grass, and a lot of patchiness. Now, if Barton's plan works, he hopes to undo some of that damage. In 2009, inspired partly by President Obama's speech, Barton wrote up a proposal for putting an army of people to work by rehabilitating lands that had been ravaged by industrial machinery. For inspiration, he looked to the Civilian Conservation Corps, a New Deal program launched during the Great Depression to create jobs for the unemployed in conservation and natural resources development. Barton's proposal requested federal funding for workers to till the land, grow trees in nurseries, plant trees, and manage the land. But then, just days after Barton submitted his proposal, White House green jobs czar Van Jones resigned, and the prospect of securing funding for Green Forests Work (GFW) quickly dimmed. For now, Barton has decided to move forward with volunteer labor, using the next year and a half to try to educate the public and raise support for the program. Since GFW was launched in 2008, more than 5,000 volunteers have planted nearly 1 million trees on former surface mine sites. And last year, the program received a $300,000 grant, enabling Barton to add a couple full-time staff members. Life after coal: New economy, new mentality Coal jobs are increasingly hard to come by in Eastern Kentucky, as the rise of cheap natural gas and waning Chinese demand have led to thousands of layoffs in Appalachian coal towns. GFW's Reforestation Coordinator, Nathan Hall, is a ninth-generation Appalachian who was born and raised in the coalfields of Eastern Kentucky. Part of Hall's job involves finding local contractors who can loosen up soil that has been compacted by mining equipment so that native trees can grow on reclaimed surface mine land. By itself, short-rotation forestry might not have the ability to revive local economies across Appalachian states, but
[Biofuel] Group Kicks off Planting of Ancient Tree Clones
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20130422/us-replanting-redwoods/?utm_hp_ref=politicsir=politics By JOHN FLESHER AP Environmental Writer COPEMISH, Mich. April 22, 2013 (AP) A team led by a nurseryman from northern Michigan and his sons has raced against time for two decades, snipping branches from some of the world's biggest and most durable trees with plans to produce clones that could restore ancient forests and help fight climate change. Now comes the most ambitious phase of the quest: getting the new trees into the ground. Ceremonial plantings of two dozen clones from California's mighty coastal redwoods were taking place Monday in seven nations: Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain, Ireland, Canada, Germany and the U.S. Although measuring just 18-inches tall, the laboratory-produced trees are genetic duplicates of three giants that were cut down in northern California more than a century ago. Remarkably, shoots still emerge from the stumps, including one known as the Fieldbrook Stump near McKinleyville, which measures 35 feet in diameter. It's believed to be about 4,000 years old. The tree was about 40 stories high before it was felled. This is a first step toward mass production, said David Milarch, co-founder of Archangel Ancient Tree Archive, a nonprofit group spearheading the project. We need to reforest the planet; it's imperative. To do that, it just makes sense to use the largest, oldest, most iconic trees that ever lived. Milarch and his sons Jared and Jake, who have a family-owned nursery in the village of Copemish, Mich., became concerned about the condition of the world's forests in the 1990s. They began crisscrossing the U.S. in search of champion trees that have lived hundreds or even thousands of years, convinced that superior genes enabled them to outlast others of their species. Scientific opinion varies on whether that's true, with skeptics saying the survivors may simply have been lucky. The Archangel leaders say they're out to prove the doubters wrong. They've developed several methods of producing genetic copies from cuttings, including placing branch tips less than an inch long in baby food jars containing nutrients and hormones. The specimens are cultivated in labs until large enough to be planted. In recent years, they have focused on towering sequoias and redwoods, considering them best suited to absorb massive volumes of carbon dioxide, the greenhouse gas primarily responsible for climate change. If we get enough of these trees out there, we'll make a difference, said Jared Milarch, the group's executive director. Archangel has an inventory of several thousand clones in various stages of growth that were taken from more than 70 redwoods and giant sequoias. NASA engineer Steve Craft, who helped arrange for David Milarch to address an agency gathering, said research shows that those species hold much more carbon than other varieties. The challenge is to find places to put the trees, people to nurture them and money to continue the project, Jared Milarch said. The group is funded through donations and doesn't charge for its clones. A lot of trees will be planted by a lot of groups on Arbor Day, but 90 percent of them will die, David Milarch said. It's a feel-good thing. You can't plant trees and walk away and expect them to take care of themselves. The recipients of Archangel redwoods have pledged to care for them properly, he said. The first planting of about 250 took place in December on a ranch near Port Orford, Ore. Others were being planted during Earth Day observances Monday at the College of Marin in Kentwood, Calif., and in parks and private estates in the other six countries. I know the trees will thrive here, said Tom Burke, landscape manager at the College of Marin. We've had redwoods in this area since God planted them. ——— Online: http://www.ancienttreearchive.org ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
[Biofuel] Why Trees Matter
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/12/opinion/why-trees-matter.html?_r=0 Why Trees Matter By JIM ROBBINS Published: April 11, 2012 Helena, Mont. TREES are on the front lines of our changing climate. And when the oldest trees in the world suddenly start dying, it’s time to pay attention. North America’s ancient alpine bristlecone forests are falling victim to a voracious beetle and an Asian fungus. In Texas, a prolonged drought killed more than five million urban shade trees last year and an additional half-billion trees in parks and forests. In the Amazon, two severe droughts have killed billions more. The common factor has been hotter, drier weather. We have underestimated the importance of trees. They are not merely pleasant sources of shade but a potentially major answer to some of our most pressing environmental problems. We take them for granted, but they are a near miracle. In a bit of natural alchemy called photosynthesis, for example, trees turn one of the seemingly most insubstantial things of all — sunlight — into food for insects, wildlife and people, and use it to create shade, beauty and wood for fuel, furniture and homes. For all of that, the unbroken forest that once covered much of the continent is now shot through with holes. Humans have cut down the biggest and best trees and left the runts behind. What does that mean for the genetic fitness of our forests? No one knows for sure, for trees and forests are poorly understood on almost all levels. “It’s embarrassing how little we know,” one eminent redwood researcher told me. What we do know, however, suggests that what trees do is essential though often not obvious. Decades ago, Katsuhiko Matsunaga, a marine chemist at Hokkaido University in Japan, discovered that when tree leaves decompose, they leach acids into the ocean that help fertilize plankton. When plankton thrive, so does the rest of the food chain. In a campaign called Forests Are Lovers of the Sea, fishermen have replanted forests along coasts and rivers to bring back fish and oyster stocks. And they have returned. Trees are nature’s water filters, capable of cleaning up the most toxic wastes, including explosives, solvents and organic wastes, largely through a dense community of microbes around the tree’s roots that clean water in exchange for nutrients, a process known as phytoremediation. Tree leaves also filter air pollution. A 2008 study by researchers at Columbia University found that more trees in urban neighborhoods correlate with a lower incidence of asthma. In Japan, researchers have long studied what they call “forest bathing.” A walk in the woods, they say, reduces the level of stress chemicals in the body and increases natural killer cells in the immune system, which fight tumors and viruses. Studies in inner cities show that anxiety, depression and even crime are lower in a landscaped environment. Trees also release vast clouds of beneficial chemicals. On a large scale, some of these aerosols appear to help regulate the climate; others are anti-bacterial, anti-fungal and anti-viral. We need to learn much more about the role these chemicals play in nature. One of these substances, taxane, from the Pacific yew tree, has become a powerful treatment for breast and other cancers. Aspirin’s active ingredient comes from willows. Trees are greatly underutilized as an eco-technology. “Working trees” could absorb some of the excess phosphorus and nitrogen that run off farm fields and help heal the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico. In Africa, millions of acres of parched land have been reclaimed through strategic tree growth. Trees are also the planet’s heat shield. They keep the concrete and asphalt of cities and suburbs 10 or more degrees cooler and protect our skin from the sun’s harsh UV rays. The Texas Department of Forestry has estimated that the die-off of shade trees will cost Texans hundreds of millions of dollars more for air-conditioning. Trees, of course, sequester carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas that makes the planet warmer. A study by the Carnegie Institution for Science also found that water vapor from forests lowers ambient temperatures. A big question is, which trees should we be planting? Ten years ago, I met a shade tree farmer named David Milarch, a co-founder of the Champion Tree Project who has been cloning some of the world’s oldest and largest trees to protect their genetics, from California redwoods to the oaks of Ireland. “These are the supertrees, and they have stood the test of time,” he says. Science doesn’t know if these genes will be important on a warmer planet, but an old proverb seems apt. “When is the best time to plant a tree?” The answer: “Twenty years ago. The second-best time? Today.” Jim Robbins is the author of the forthcoming book “The Man Who Planted Trees.” This article has been revised to reflect the following correction: Correction: April 21, 2012 An earlier version of this essay referred incorrectly to one of
[Biofuel] Climate-change summary and update
http://guymcpherson.com/2013/01/climate-change-summary-and-update/ Climate-change summary and updatehttp://guymcpherson.com/2013/01/climate-change-summary-and-update/ Sun, Jan 6, 2013 Uncategorized http://guymcpherson.com/category/uncategorized/ American actress Lily Tomlin is credited with the expression, “No matter how cynical you become, it’s never enough to keep up.” With respect to climate science, my own efforts to stay abreast are blown away every week by new data, models, and assessments. It seems no matter how dire the situation becomes, it only gets worse when I check the latest reports. The response of politicians, heads of non-governmental organizations, and corporate leaders remains the same. They’re mired in the dank Swamp of Nothingness. These are the people who know about, and presumably could do something about, our ongoing race to disaster (if only to sound the alarm). Tomlin’s line is never more germane than when thinking about their pursuit of a buck at the expense of life on Earth. This essay brings attention to recent projections and positive feedbacks. There is little new here beyond my recent presentations on the subject. Specifically, I presented most of this information at the Bluegrass Bioneers conferencehttp://guymcpherson.com/2012/11/speaking-in-louisville-and-a-couple-essays/ (Alex Smith at Radio Ecoshock evaluates my presentationherehttp://ecoshock.blogspot.com/2012/12/climate-on-road-to-extinction.html). More recently, I presented an updated versionhttp://guymcpherson.com/2012/11/livestreamed-tonight/ on the campus of the University of Massachusetts. All information and sources are readily confirmed with an online search, and links to information about feedbacks can be found herehttp://lackofenvironment.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/what-on-earth-are-we-doing/ . *Large-scale assessments* Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (late 2007): 1 C by 2100 Hadley Centre for Meteorological Research (late 2008): 2 C by 2100 United Nations Environment Programme (mid 2009): 3.5 C by 2100 Hadley Centre for Meteorological Research (October 2009): 4 C by 2060 Global Carbon Project, Copenhagen Diagnosis (November 2009): 6 C, 7 C by 2100 International Energy Agency (November 2010): 3.5 C by 2035 2100 United Nations Environment Programme (December 2010): up to 5 C by 2050 These assessments fail to account for significant self-reinforcing feedback loops (i.e., positive feedbacks, the term that implies the opposite of its meaning). The IPCC’s vaunted Fifth Assessment will continue the trend as it, too, ignores important feedbackshttp://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/12/02/1253931/ipccs-planned-obsolescence-fifth-assessment-report-will-ignore-crucial-permafrost-carbon-feedback/. On a positive note, major assessments fail to account for economic collapse. However, due to the feedback loops presented below, I strongly suspect it’s too late for economic collapse to extend the run of our species. As pointed out by the United Nations Advisory Group on Greenhouse Gases in 1990http://theartofannihilation.com/category/articles-2010/expose-the-2o-death-dance-the-1o-cover-up-part-i/, “Beyond 1 degree C may elicit rapid, unpredictable and non-linear responses that could lead to extensive ecosystem damage.” Planetary instruments indicate Earth has warmed about 1 C since the beginning of the industrial revolution. However, plants in the vicinity of Concord, Massachusetts — where the instrumental record indicates warming of about 1 C — indicate warming of 2.4 C since the 1840shttp://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/mar/14/henry-david-thoreau-climate-change . Whether you believe the plants or the instruments is irrelevant at the point. We’ve clearly triggered the types of positive feedbacks the United Nations warned about in 1990. Yet my colleagues and acquaintances think we can and will work our way out of this horrific mess with permaculture (which is not to denigrate permaculture, the principles of which are implemented at the mud hut). Let’s ignore the models for a moment and consider only the results of a single briefing to the United Nations Conference of the Parties in Copenhagen (COP15)http://wrongkindofgreen.org/2012/12/10/the-most-important-cop-briefing-that-no-one-ever-heard-truth-lies-racism-omnicide/. Regulars in this space will recall COP15 as the climate-change meetings thrown under the bus by the Obama administration. A footnote on that long-forgotten briefing contains this statement: “THE LONG-TERM SEA LEVEL THAT CORRESPONDS TO CURRENT CO2 CONCENTRATION IS ABOUT 23 METERS ABOVE TODAY’S LEVELS, AND THE TEMPERATURES WILL BE 6 DEGREES C OR MORE HIGHER. THESE ESTIMATES ARE BASED ON REAL LONG TERM CLIMATE RECORDS, NOT ON MODELS.” In other words, Obama and others in his administration knew near-term extinction of humans was already guaranteed. Even before the dire feedbacks were reported by the scientific community, the Obama administration abandoned climate change as a
Re: [Biofuel] India's gift to green drive: Bicycle @ 40kmph
Shimano used to have something called the biopace chainring. The chainrings where oblong, so that you would get a more powerful downstroke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopace -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Worthy Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:17 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] India's gift to green drive: Bicycle @ 40kmph For a bit more detail.. http://www.indiainnovates.in/Medalists2008.pdf On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:24 AM, MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This I'd like to read more about. Can someone help me? -Hoagy --- India's gift to green drive: Bicycle @ 40kmph 2 Aug, 2008, 2045 hrs IST,Moinak Mitra, ET Bureau http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Indias_gift_to_green_drive_Bicycle__40kmph/articleshow/3319246.cms NEW DELHI: India could soon take pride for reinventing the wheel and leading the global green movement! An innovation by a senior administrator at IIT-Kharagpur is helping him ride the humble bicycle at 40 km an hour and pedalling past motor vehicles on busy roads without much effort. And you could be next - cycle manufacturers are planning to launch these hot wheels commercially, very soon. Manoj Mondal is the inventor of the crank pedal-he successfully tweaked the pedal of a bicycle to an extent that it generates almost double the torque (force multiplied by the distance from the centre) than in normal circumstances . In other words, the speed of the bicycle increases from, say, 20 km/hr to 40 km/hr. His feat has already made him the toast of incubators , the green lobby and a host of companies which are coming forward to adapt Mondal's technology commercially. While the invention ushers in revolutionary intra-city commute, it cocks a snook at the fuel brigade as the inventor apprehends auto majors may just gang up to disembark his plans. I want to first launch the product in the ladies' and sports bicycle categories since speed is critical here, says Mondal, who has initiated talks with cycle brands like Atlas, TI Cycles and Hero. There's more. Tweaking the pedal to generate more torque can create 700 watts of electricity per unit, says Mondal. Now that's enough to light up 10 neons. Next, he's working on a prototype where pedalling on a stationary cycle has the potential to dig a bore deep enough to make a drain, and construction major Escorts seems to have shown interest in the new technology, says Mondal. Besides, Mondal's invention is slated to benefit rickshaw-pullers as the Centre for Rural Development has shown keenness to convert 10,000 rickshaws into the crank pedal mode this year. Though power companies haven't lined up yet, bicycle makers seem to have grasped the next wave. I'm awaiting the final prototype (from Mondal) and then intend to take it to the dealers en route the market, says R K Kapur, chief general manager of technology at Atlas Cycles. Vasant Devaji of TI Cycles claims that a meeting with Mondal is scheduled next month to take the project forward. For the time being , the marketing muscle is being provided by the Lockheed Martin India Innovation Growth Programme that was launched in March last year jointly by Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry (Ficci) and the IC2 Institute of the University of Texas. This year, Mondal's crank pedal won the silver at the Lockheed Martin India Innovation Growth Programme. We are helping Mondal to tie up with the Hero Group and are also in touch with the Ministry of Rural Development to roll out his invention, says Nirankar Saxena, additional director at Ficci. As stewardship of the environment takes on an ever-increasing importance for the global community, we have seen great promise for such inventions to increase energy efficiency, save precious resources, and reduce pollution, says Ray O. Johnson , CTO of Lockheed Martin. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Regards, Jim -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080813/9ef9f8a1/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] The food emergency and food myths
Don't farmers have the right to sell their corn to whoever they want to sell it too? Even if corn is going to make ethanol, so? So the world has increased its demand for oil, and that means that oil costs more, that means that we need to find ways to offset that, so we make corn into ethanol, and now corn costs more. Maybe if the oil producing countries of the world didn't need indoor skiing and rotating towers(see Dubai), and such a large profit margin, then we would have gone along consuming just like we had been. Oil costs around $1-$15 to produce a barrel. It's sold at $143 a barrel. Someone's making a helluva profit in there. Even barring the fact that some of this corn is being diverted to other uses, it costs more to produce it when diesel goes up. Those tractors don't run on water. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chip Mefford Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:14 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The food emergency and food myths Keith Addison wrote: http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=552 Seedling July 2008 The food emergency and food myths Why Bush is wrong to blame Indians for the rise in food prices Vandana Shiva * I really enjoy Vandana Shiva's input. It's clueful and very well thought out. That said; SNIP agribusiness in the current food crisis, both through speculation and through the hijacking of food into biofuels, I keep hearing about this 'hijacking of food into biofuels' argument. Anyone have the numbers to back this up? The increased 'demand' for ethanol in the US, is at least partially due to the gigantic surpluses of 'feed corn' over the last decade. That corn is only food in an abstract sense, it's mostly all starch, not edible directly. I'm sure this year the corn yields will be down, no doubt. But somehow, I don't see the correlation. -- Chip Mefford Before Enlightenment; chop wood carry water After Enlightenment; chop wood carry water - Public Key http://www.well.com/user/cpm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] soap titration
I don't think I've seen anything on this aspect, and as I'm kind of new to make BD, I don' t know if knowing how much soap you're producing would help correct the problem or not, but the place I get my isopropanol from has a link now mentioning soap titration, so I thought I'd share. http://www.sciencecompany.com/biodiesel/index.htm -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080620/616b0951/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA
Maybe he's working with a group of guys to make it. Maybe he owns a delivery truck. Maybe he owns a company that has 12 trucks in its fleet. Maybe he has a hole in his storage tank. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:47 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA Keith Addison wrote: I'm having a hard time finding WVO. I need 500 Gallons per month and I'm tired of driving around and fighting for oil at every restaurant within 10 miles. I've found other companies in other states that sell and deliver larger quantities but nothing close to home. I'm just outside of Philadelphia - has anyone heard or run into such an animal. Thanks, Roger Why do you need so much oil? That should be enough for 12 people. This is the US Keith :) Yes, Chip, I know. :-) But it just doesn't wash. I also come from a big country, not that big, but big enough, so I know something about it. I quite often used to drive 1,000 miles each way for the weekend, or 400 each way for a different weekend. In an 850cc Mini, foot flat all the way at 80 mph, and not very much gas used. (I'm not small, 6ft 2in.) Japan's a big country too, in its way, narrow but long. Where you guys need a 6.8 litre F250 truck the Japanese use little 660cc K-trucks, for just about everything, very economical, tough and capable. Good 4x4 too, not easy to get stuck in a K-truck. They're real trucks, but miniaturised, not made-over cars. I don't think Japan would work very well without its K-trucks, I can see it sort of slowly grinding to a halt. There are K-cars too, all the K-vehicles have low taxes to encourage people to buy them. I wonder if your F250s accomplish that much more work than Japan's K-trucks do (let alone 10 times as much work, since they're 10 times as big), and what the real costs might be per unit of work accomplished in each case, or some such efficiency comparison. I've no idea where to find such data, if anywhere, but it might be a surprise. Anyway, the cases you describe don't seem to be typical for the US, according to these stats, source U.S. Department of Transportation: Average annual fuel consumed per vehicle (gallons) - Passenger car - 2005: 541 Average miles traveled per vehicle (thousands) - Passenger car: 12.4 http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004727.html That's about what I thought, 12,000 miles a year, 500 gallons. So yes, Roger's 500 gallons a month should be enough for 12 people. I don't know, but I don't think he's in the same situation as you. He says he's just outside Philadelphia, he said before he works for a laboratory surplus equipment company, in Philadelphia I guess, though maybe not. So why does he need so much fuel? Interesting numbers at that infoplease page. Number of passenger cars registered 1960: 61,671,000 2005: 135,568,000 Did the US get twice as big in the meantime? No: Vehicle-miles traveled - Passenger car 1960: 587,000,000 2005: 1,689,965,000 It got three times as big! LOL! Sorry. snip But still I see no real changes, just individual disasters. That's the problem eh? Ordinary people, the real ones, get hurt first, and the toy people don't feel a thing. I suppose long-haul will go by train, or not at all, trucks will be for local. Hm. The Japanese don't export the K-vehicles, but I think you can get second-hand K-trucks in the US now. Maybe some of your trucker friends might be interested in this: http://www.best-used-tractors.com/mini_truck.html Used Japanese 4X4 K-class Mini Trucks, Micro Trucks - US and Canada The Japanese have been making right hand drive light duty trucks for decades which Best Used Tractors can now import used in containers to the US, to Canada, and to many other countries around the globe. Bit of money to be made there, I think. Could even be trendy, sort of an anti-Hummer. Best Keith Lemme see, 500 gal of svo, could yield 500 gals of bd, for a 30 day month, that's ~17 gallons a day, in my F-250, that get's 16-20mpg,if I drive it really gently, that's 300 miles a day, but that's every day. Since I live 127 miles from where I work, I could *almost* burn that much. However, I don't commute, I only go home on the weekends, and I don't drive the truck :) Some folks will boggle at that. But around here, it's not as far-fetched as one might -at first blush- think. Of the 80-some-odd folks that I work with, more than half of them commute more than 50 miles a day, some more than 75. A few well over 100. I personally drive just a bit over 70 miles a day on average. On the road, I see vehicles coming in from much farther out that are gigantic fuel burners. These are daily commuters, 2.5 to 5ton class diesel trucks close to fully loaded with welders, etc. that probably log well over 200 miles a day, and I'm sure they don't get anything like 15-20 mpg. So, yeah, I can see how some folks,
Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA
Ya just never know ;) This is almost as intriguing a mystery as all those feet washing up in canada. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:03 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA Maybe he's working with a group of guys to make it. Maybe he owns a delivery truck. Maybe he owns a company that has 12 trucks in its fleet. Maybe he has a hole in his storage tank. Maybe he'll tell us himself. Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:47 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA Keith Addison wrote: I'm having a hard time finding WVO. I need 500 Gallons per month and I'm tired of driving around and fighting for oil at every restaurant within 10 miles. I've found other companies in other states that sell and deliver larger quantities but nothing close to home. I'm just outside of Philadelphia - has anyone heard or run into such an animal. Thanks, Roger Why do you need so much oil? That should be enough for 12 people. This is the US Keith :) Yes, Chip, I know. :-) But it just doesn't wash. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question
I've gotten one to pass a wash test, but I stopped with test batches until I get a more accurate scale. Its too hit or miss with the scale I have now. I use a drill with a hollow-wall molly anchor as a stirrer and use a piece of Velcro strap to keep the drill moving at a low speed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:36 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question Steve, Have your test batches passed the quality test? I do my test batches in a pot on a coleman stove out in the garage so I can maintain the temp. How do you agitate the mix? Is the processor an open pot? Tom - Original Message - From: Steve Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org; biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question I do my test batches in a pot on a coleman stove out in the garage so I can maintain the temp. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:58 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question Hello everyone, my first post i want to apologize if this has been answered, but I have searched the archives and relevant sites without finding a clear answer. I've been reading the j2f howto for doing my first test batch with unused veg oil and a blender. I see that I'm suppose to pre-heat the oil before starting the process to 130 deg F, but everything else i read says I need to maintain that temperature which isn't possible without moving the oil back to another container that can be heated so I guess basically i'm asking, is that temp (130) required for the reaction or does it just aid in a faster reaction. Thanks Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question
I think (but I'm not sure) that methanol will evaporate at 140, is that correct? If it is, then keeping the temp below that would become very important too. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Thomas Kelly Sent: Mon 4/28/2008 6:39 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question Mike, Test batches can be difficult .. well worth the effort. Blenders provide excellent agitation, but it is difficult to maintain the proper temp. PET bottles allow one to maintain temp better, but agitation may be inadequate. It is important to maintain temp even if you must interupt agitation. Suggestion: Achieve the temp of 130F, blend for 5 minutes, check temp If necessary, carefully return the liquid to a container to be heated. Return to blender and repeat 2 (3?) more times I use a hot water bath for heating the mix. Do you have a pot big enough to fit the blender pitcher into? The pot would contain hot (~150F) water. Instead of pouring the hot mix back and forth you could simply place the pitcher from the blender, with top on, into the hot water bath to re-establish the 130F, blot dry and buzz it again. I have returned to doing some test batches. I favor heating the mix in a PET bottle that has a wide mouth with a twist open/close top. Sport drink plastic bottles often have this feature. This allows me to limit methanol evaporation while heating the mix. I either twist the top to open while heating or I squeeze the bottle to decrease volume of air before closing and heating. The wide mouth and a funnel make it easy to add the liquid. I heat the mix in a hot water bath. Good Luck, Tom - Original Message - From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question Hello everyone, my first post i want to apologize if this has been answered, but I have searched the archives and relevant sites without finding a clear answer. I've been reading the j2f howto for doing my first test batch with unused veg oil and a blender. I see that I'm suppose to pre-heat the oil before starting the process to 130 deg F, but everything else i read says I need to maintain that temperature which isn't possible without moving the oil back to another container that can be heated so I guess basically i'm asking, is that temp (130) required for the reaction or does it just aid in a faster reaction. Thanks Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question
I do my test batches in a pot on a coleman stove out in the garage so I can maintain the temp. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:58 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question Hello everyone, my first post i want to apologize if this has been answered, but I have searched the archives and relevant sites without finding a clear answer. I've been reading the j2f howto for doing my first test batch with unused veg oil and a blender. I see that I'm suppose to pre-heat the oil before starting the process to 130 deg F, but everything else i read says I need to maintain that temperature which isn't possible without moving the oil back to another container that can be heated so I guess basically i'm asking, is that temp (130) required for the reaction or does it just aid in a faster reaction. Thanks Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] american Trucks
I've also heard that the powerstroke is hit or miss. Anything after 2003 is going to be a lot quieter than the old diesels, there were some new federal requirements imposed in 2003 about noise levels. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:33 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] american Trucks Most of the diesel mechanic's I've talked to only recommend the cummins engines, which means the dodge trucks, or the F550 and larger Fords. They also don't recommend using biodiesel, for the most part As far as running on biodiesel, I think that just about all of the older ones are compatible -- only the very newest ones with the high pressure common rail systems have reported any problems that I am aware of. The new ones are very nice though... I have a friend with a 2008 Ram 3500, and it barely sounds like a diesel any more, and has enormous amounts of torque (it slows down a bit coming up the last hill to my house when pulling the tandem axle trailer fully loaded firewood or a skidsteer or such... but that same hill easily drops my old car into 2nd gear too.). The very old ones are the best if you want to do SVO since they're not as picky on fuel... I know there are particular years and pumps that handle it better than others, but I don't have the experience to know for sure. In Canada, I'd recommend a two tank SVO type system just to run biodiesel... just here in Colorado I have to switch to B20 in the winter or I get gelling pretty bad (mitsubishi pickup) at temps below 25F (which is often the high temp for the day) Z On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, a friend of mine wants to buy a 250 Pickup to pull a 5.whealer trailer What model should he look for to be able to run on BD.We think to look for a 2tank system.Up here in Canada we have very cold winters Thanks for your help Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080428/e4c0a8af/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now
Speed limits should not be set at the national level, it's a state or municipal issue. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Schneider Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:26 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now So then what would be the suggestion? Sometimes laws are necessary to help or protect those who can't or won't do it them selves. If on a national level if lowering the speed limit 10 to 15 mph would help decrease our dependance on foreign oil or any oil for that matter then it should be addressed regardless of how popular or unpopular it is. Granted there are some laws that are nonsense, but they are necessary because without most of them there would be utter chaos. Brian On Apr 24, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Chip Mefford wrote: Brian Schneider wrote: Hello, Just a comment, why don't we in the US do something else that was done in the 70's oil crisis...drop the speed limit back to 55. There were a *lot* of problems with this. I'm not going to go into it all, in fact, I'm barely going to scratch the surface. But essentially, the nationwide 55mph speed limit was about as popular as prohibition, and caused many of the same problems. In interest of full disclosure, when ever I hear 'There ought to be a law, I duck. We have plenty of laws. a few orders of magnitude too many I'd say. In fact, I'd point to the current state of affairs as my primary exhibit in the 'laws don't fix anything' presentation. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now
More laws don't fix a damn thing - look at the 'War on Drugs' or Washington DC where handgun ownership is illegal and the crime is the worst in the country. Even more disgusting is how laws are enforced, in Denver, Co, they have a concealed weapons ban, which conflicts with the state that allows for concealed weapons, the state has sued the city over it, yet Denver enforces this city law. The city also has legalized possession of less than an ounce of marijuana, and passed a second law that makes marijuana the lowest priority of law enforcement, yet arrests for possession are up, how can that be? The denver police enforce the State law, banning it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:28 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now I was going to say the same. Not sure on how to do it, but it's going to take a full-fledged attitude change from everyone - not more legislation. How do you convince an entire nation that, for the good of the country and oneself, not to buy the Hummer, to car-pool, stop eating GM foods, and avoid high-fructose corn syrup. The argument continues to school shootings, drugs, etc. When did these things become OK? More laws don't fix a damn thing - look at the 'War on Drugs' or Washington DC where handgun ownership is illegal and the crime is the worst in the country. Chip Mefford wrote: Brian Schneider wrote: Hello, Just a comment, why don't we in the US do something else that was done in the 70's oil crisis...drop the speed limit back to 55. There were a *lot* of problems with this. I'm not going to go into it all, in fact, I'm barely going to scratch the surface. But essentially, the nationwide 55mph speed limit was about as popular as prohibition, and caused many of the same problems. In interest of full disclosure, when ever I hear 'There ought to be a law, I duck. We have plenty of laws. a few orders of magnitude too many I'd say. In fact, I'd point to the current state of affairs as my primary exhibit in the 'laws don't fix anything' presentation. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080424/eda842c3/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now
well, if the ice age is coming, then maybe we all need hummers and big trucks to create more green house gasses ;) 55 is fine for the densely populate tracts of america (the coasts), but its going to be a rea hard sell in the vast expanses of the middle of the country. The federal government is good at the one size fits most things, but that never fits all, and while 55 may actually save fuel and reduce polution, you try selling that on i-80 when you're driving a 1000 miles through the middle of no-where. again, I say this is a state issue, not federal, maybe we cut all the 75mph zones to 65, and 65 to 55, but 55 across the board probably won't fly. Not that I'm worried it would, its political suicide to try pass it again, and we all know that politicians don't do anything that would jeopardize thier careers. Instead, maybe what we ought to do is make things like cat-back exhaust system and cold air intake systems that make pretty much any vehicle get another 2-4 mpg mandatory. The nice thing about that is that it would only affect the prices of new cars, which are not mandatory purchases anyway, and will only affect those that choose to buy them. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chris Burck Sent: Thu 4/24/2008 6:40 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now laws definitely do matter. just because there are a lot of stupid laws, that's no reason to discourage or oppose sensible ones. there's nothing wrong with a 55mph speed limit. did people ignore it? sure. did most people ignore it? not a chance. people violate the speed limit more now than ever. On 4/24/08, Brian Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting conversation. We all agree that the one thing that needs to happen is a change in attitude of people about fuel use or fuel conservation. I am afraid that we are living in a country that has had it too easy too long and no one is going to change anything (or should I say most) until they are forced to. I know that not many people obey the speed limit and changing it would not make much of a difference, I will concede that fact, but will they be willing to make other changes on their own without any external influence? More than likely not, most do not like the inconvenience of doing things differently. I am a public school teacher in a rural area. I see the kids attitudes about certain things and most of them are not what I would consider to be old enough to have a firm grasp on their opinions, so most of them hear things at home and that becomes what they believe. Truly it concerns me with their attitudes. They don't want anyone telling them what to do or how to do anything. They don't value education for the most part and think that their time spent in high school is a big waste of their time. I know first hand what it can be to try to get them to change on even the smallest of ideas, so when we start mentioning that they should drive smaller cars and etc, they will not be for that at all. The only thing that is going to change the mind of many people is when we feel the effects of what we are doing. Then and only then will change precipitate out and people be concerned about what they are doing. To me it is a sad commentary on our lives in this country. Most think that the only person that matters is me Brian On Apr 24, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Chip Mefford wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kirk McLoren wrote: | I am in favor of new laws - only if you recind an old one. There are so many laws now the only way you know you are breaking one is if they pinch you. | Kirk Lol! I'd say rescind at least 100 old per 1 new. Actually should 1000, so you'd counter with 10, so we could get to 100. :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFIENUzlwL/NsEHg6sRAjwvAJ0e0cyu0I2LPDbpl25AGnfvysjvSQCgwCer oO9aIdXAlBD3Q039A2wDTN4= =ywh0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Food Rationing in America?
gee, and we're still paying farmers to leave thier feilds sit? I live in colorado, and I have freinds that bought farms solely because the government pays them to not grow. Great investment, getting paid to sit on your butt. seems to me that if the shortage was really that bad, we'd stop wasting tax dollars on this sort of thing. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of robert and benita Sent: Tue 4/22/2008 6:18 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Food Rationing in America? http://www2.nysun.com/article/74994 Food Rationing Confronts Breadbasket of the World By JOSH GERSTEIN http://www2.nysun.com/authors/Josh+Gerstein Staff Reporter of the Sun April 21, 2008 MOUNTAIN VIEW http://www2.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Mountain+View, Calif. http://www2.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=California -- Many parts of America http://www2.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=United+States, long considered the breadbasket of the world, are now confronting a once unthinkable phenomenon: food rationing. Major retailers in New York, in areas of New England http://www2.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=New+England+States, and on the West Coast are limiting purchases of flour, rice, and cooking oil as demand outstrips supply. There are also anecdotal reports that some consumers are hoarding grain stocks. At a Costco http://www2.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Costco+Wholesale+Corporation Warehouse in Mountain View, Calif. http://www2.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Mountain+View+%28California%29, yesterday, shoppers grew frustrated and occasionally uttered expletives as they searched in vain for the large sacks of rice they usually buy. Where's the rice? an engineer from Palo Alto http://www2.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Palo+Alto, Calif., Yajun Liu, said. You should be able to buy something like rice. This is ridiculous. The bustling store in the heart of Silicon Valley usually sells four or five varieties of rice to a clientele largely of Asian immigrants, but only about half a pallet of Indian-grown Basmati rice was left in stock. A 20-pound bag was selling for $15.99. You can't eat this every day. It's too heavy, a health care executive from Palo Alto, Sharad Patel, grumbled as his son loaded two sacks of the Basmati into a shopping cart. We only need one bag but I'm getting two in case a neighbor or a friend needs it, the elder man said. The Patels seemed headed for disappointment, as most Costco members were being allowed to buy only one bag. Moments earlier, a clerk dropped two sacks back on the stack after taking them from another customer who tried to exceed the one-bag cap. Due to the limited availability of rice, we are limiting rice purchases based on your prior purchasing history, a sign above the dwindling supply said. Shoppers said the limits had been in place for a few days, and that rice supplies had been spotty for a few weeks. A store manager referred questions to officials at Costco headquarters near Seattle, who did not return calls or e-mail messages yesterday. An employee at the Costco store in Queens said there were no restrictions on rice buying, but limits were being imposed on purchases of oil and flour. Internet postings attributed some of the shortage at the retail level to bakery owners who flocked to warehouse stores when the price of flour from commercial suppliers doubled. The curbs and shortages are being tracked with concern by survivalists who view the phenomenon as a harbinger of more serious trouble to come. It's sporadic. It's not every store, but it's becoming more commonplace, the editor of SurvivalBlog.com, James Rawles, said. The number of reports I've been getting from readers who have seen signs posted with limits has increased almost exponentially, I'd say in the last three to five weeks. Spiking food prices have led to riots in recent weeks in Haiti, Indonesia, and several African nations. India recently banned export of all but the highest quality rice, and Vietnam blocked the signing of a new contract for foreign rice sales. I'm surprised the Bush administration hasn't slapped export controls on wheat, Mr. Rawles said. The Asian countries are here buying every kind of wheat. Mr. Rawles said it is hard to know how much of the shortages are due to lagging supply and how much is caused by consumers hedging against future price hikes or a total lack of product. There have been so many stories about worldwide shortages that it encourages people to stock up. What most people don't realize is that supply chains have changed, so inventories are very short, Mr. Rawles, a former Army intelligence officer, said. Even if people increased their purchasing by 20%, all the store shelves would be wiped out. At the moment, large chain retailers seem more prone to shortages and limits than do smaller chains and mom-and-pop stores, perhaps because store managers at the larger
Re: [Biofuel] Message In A Bottle
They use something like that in the balitmore harbor. a smallish boat with a conveyor belt in the center and two arms that scissor horizontally across the top of the water and have conveyor type belts on them that pull the garbage toward the center belt. The boat floats on pontoons on the ouside of the conveyer and it has a bin type thing at the back of it. The garbage is escorted by the arms toward the central belt, which picks it up and dumps it into the bin, the water just falls through the belt. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jason Mier Sent: Sat 4/19/2008 7:29 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Message In A Bottle nets can only pick up so much. i have an idea but it sounds kind of outlandish. i am imagining a fleet of barges filtering the water up like a giant shop-vac and separating the junk out. thats like a 3500 mile array, staggered at ~7 miles (from equator to 50N assuming ~70 miles per degree latitude) plus the fact that there are four or five gyres that need to be cleaned up. the only real advantage a stationary barge has in a gyre would be lots and lots of sunlight to feed on. (solar engines, yeah buddy!!!) assumptions: 1) there are ~300 million tons of plastic(s) in the NPG. (the survey area was kind of small comparatively(1) and its estimated to increase by about 10x every two years(2)) 2) a seagoing barge container might carry 13000 tons(3). 3) the array consists of 500 collectors in a N-S line at ~7 mile intervals. 4) our machines accumulate no water. results: with one barge per collector, it would take 40 trips to each barge clean up the NPG, and thats only if the influx of trash comes to a dead stop... yesterday. aint gonna happen with these governments... probably take a private company to do it. (1) http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Ocean/Moore-Trashed-PacificNov03.htm (2) http://www.satyamag.com/apr07/moore.html (3) http://www.mobymarine.com/CONNORGralCharac.pdf Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:13:35 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Message In A Bottle 3.5 million tons of plastic ? Pyrolytic distillation should yield 300 million gallons. Is that enough to attract reclaiming? Kirk Keith Addison wrote: http://www.gtweekly.com/good-times/message-in-a-bottle-1 Message In A Bottle Written by Amanda Martinez Wednesday, 19 March 2008 Trash twice the size of the continental United States is collecting in the North Pacific, but here's the kicker: most of it is made to last forever. _ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Message In A Bottle
these things http://www.trashskimmer.com/balt.htm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Steve Moran Sent: Sat 4/19/2008 9:38 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org; sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Message In A Bottle They use something like that in the balitmore harbor. a smallish boat with a conveyor belt in the center and two arms that scissor horizontally across the top of the water and have conveyor type belts on them that pull the garbage toward the center belt. The boat floats on pontoons on the ouside of the conveyer and it has a bin type thing at the back of it. The garbage is escorted by the arms toward the central belt, which picks it up and dumps it into the bin, the water just falls through the belt. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jason Mier Sent: Sat 4/19/2008 7:29 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Message In A Bottle nets can only pick up so much. i have an idea but it sounds kind of outlandish. i am imagining a fleet of barges filtering the water up like a giant shop-vac and separating the junk out. thats like a 3500 mile array, staggered at ~7 miles (from equator to 50N assuming ~70 miles per degree latitude) plus the fact that there are four or five gyres that need to be cleaned up. the only real advantage a stationary barge has in a gyre would be lots and lots of sunlight to feed on. (solar engines, yeah buddy!!!) assumptions: 1) there are ~300 million tons of plastic(s) in the NPG. (the survey area was kind of small comparatively(1) and its estimated to increase by about 10x every two years(2)) 2) a seagoing barge container might carry 13000 tons(3). 3) the array consists of 500 collectors in a N-S line at ~7 mile intervals. 4) our machines accumulate no water. results: with one barge per collector, it would take 40 trips to each barge clean up the NPG, and thats only if the influx of trash comes to a dead stop... yesterday. aint gonna happen with these governments... probably take a private company to do it. (1) http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Ocean/Moore-Trashed-PacificNov03.htm (2) http://www.satyamag.com/apr07/moore.html (3) http://www.mobymarine.com/CONNORGralCharac.pdf Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:13:35 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Message In A Bottle 3.5 million tons of plastic ? Pyrolytic distillation should yield 300 million gallons. Is that enough to attract reclaiming? Kirk Keith Addison wrote: http://www.gtweekly.com/good-times/message-in-a-bottle-1 Message In A Bottle Written by Amanda Martinez Wednesday, 19 March 2008 Trash twice the size of the continental United States is collecting in the North Pacific, but here's the kicker: most of it is made to last forever. _ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Newby
Hi, Can anyone give me some info on locating methanol? Just starting up small scale biodiesel processing. thanks, Steve -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080329/0d330b40/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] bush league
Does anyone realize that when the gov was saying there was no surplus of crude oil and thus the high prices of gasoline Exxon's billions of quarterly profit Dollars, there were at least 16 fully laden ships waiting outside Bolivar Roads (entrance to Houston) refineries waiting for the price to climb before they were brought into the refineries by their agents. It's all a crock of s--- 'this oil shortage'. It's man made by the bushmeister fellow cronies. Capnbio -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080221/04f3c978/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Enough already! We can kick the messenger, but the message is still relevant. By winning the Oscar, An Inconvenient Truth got lots of publicity, and just maybe will help spread the word. Steve - Original Message - From: Fred Oliff To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use I would like to personally thank all of you in helping to cure my ignorance. From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:26:10 +0900 Hi Fred actually to me both are important. I think one of the worst things one can be called is a hypocrite. Sticks and stones, and plenty of folks with their own agendas to throw stones if there's aught to be gained from it. Both sides of such accusations need checking for hipocrisy. if Al Gore's squanders energy perhaps they ought to find someone esle to be the spokesperson for the Earth. They ought to? Who's they? Did you ever notice Darryl's sig? It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? Like everybody else, YOU are the spokesperson for the Earth, not some other guy appointed by them. Best Keith From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:45:14 -0800 (PST) The message is - It isnt really that important. If it were I would do it. So how true is it - at least to him. If it doent motivate him maybe he knows something we dont. So of all people to squander energy it shouldnt be him. You might want to look into Cripple Creek Coal which he is on the board of directors. Kirk Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kirk and all, When the message cannot be attacked then attack the messenger. Ok, so Gore doesn´t walk the talk. How many of us do? We try to, but there is a long way to go for most everyone in the developed world. It´s the message that´s inportant, not the man. Tom Irwin From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:57:43 -0800 (PST) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] reIs the Deadly Crash of Our Civilization Inevitable?
It's probably going to get pretty crowded then down here in the south in New Zealand. I'm glad I had a chance to get in early on some real estate. I think we'll be in trouble long before then. There are some in humankind that still cling to the notion that starting wars will lead to peace and as the world's resources dwindle, there will be more and more reasons found for creating peace! Steve On Wednesday 14 February 2007 04:36 pm, John Wilson wrote: HI Peter, So we better have figured out what to do before then (about 4 billion years from now)! We don't have the full 4 billion years. The next major catastrophy happens in about ten thousand. Let us hope it is just a small ice age and not a major one. I am still trying to get rid of the bolders the last ice age left behind. All northern cities and infrastructure will be wiped away by tons of ice. In the mean time if the earth rotates on its axis we won't even know which cities will be in the north and affected. Yours truly John Wilson *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Goldens Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. Not anymore! Smoke freedom day 6 th December 2006 ^ Yours truly John Wilson *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Goldens Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. Not anymore! Smoke freedom day 6 th December 2006 ^ -- Steve Racz (03) 383 8167 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A heat Engine for the house.
See WhisperGen http://www.whispergen.com/ A company from here in Christchurch, New Zealand is producing units using a Stirling engine. Their market is currently primarily the UK as a replacement for home or office central heating systems while also producing power to either consume or put back into the grid. For off grid, they offer a DC model in various sizes, including some suitable for use on boats. The majority shareholder is Meridian Energy, one of the largest electricty producers here. Here in NZ, they don't believe in heating houses, so it's not a big market and I'm never seen one in use or even for sale, though these are designed, developed and manufactured here. steve On Saturday 28 October 2006 01:18 pm, Zeke Yewdall wrote: This is known as Cogeneration, and in the energy consulting world is considered pretty hot. Usually it's trying to recuperate heat from small turbines, fuel cells, or even large turbines, but it generally pays back pretty well (because usually the other option is just throwing away all that heat, because they need the electricity anyway). I suspect that the problem was the gasoline is a pretty high priced form of BTU's. But they've made working systems using MW sized diesel generators in some alaskan villages, and they pay $3 or $4 per gallon for fuel (and $0.40/kWh for the resulting electricity) I don't actually know anyone who's done this on a scale smaller than a large commercial building or campus, but perhaps there's someone out there The thing is that if you just want to get heat, it's always more efficient to just run a boiler or furnace or such, and not waste energy in making movement. But if you can syphon off 20% of the energy into motion, which you then turn to high value energy such as electricity, it might be better. Also, you've got to match the electrical and thermal loads, which often don't match well, though they could in certain situations. Z On 10/27/06, JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I lived in Colorado I looked into using a Gas engine With a generator to provide heating and electricity in the heavy winter months. The idea was to use all but the heat exchanged exhaust as heat source and the generated power for electricity. It was not cost effective at that time with fuel prices at $1.75 but I wonder now with biodiesel. Has anyone done anything like this or is this a looser anyway you look at it? Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Steve Racz (03) 383 8167 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are toldabout?
Hello These smaller cooling towersyou speak of Kirk are the type of cooling tower that has a fan or fansthat ether draws or suck air across the cascaiding water for evatorative cooling of the water. The tall hour glass shaped towers are natural draft towres, No moving parts, no fans, just cascaiding water. they are saving energy. These towers, even when dry can and will suck a hard hat of your head when you go into one at the bottom, even on a dead calm day. Open mind... that I have, have beenwaiting for the biodiesel posts to come but since I got on this list I see mainly political comments. The frist night I was on there were a few and then I got spanked for being a newbie and asking questions. Maybe I did not set up the e-mail service to recive the good stuff. Will keep watching and reading. sorry about the spelling, Steve - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Are there more nuclear reactors than we are toldabout? bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Kirk, I scanned the first part of the article and to be honest found it lacking. The author either doesn't edit or hasn't a clue about power plant functioning, cooling requirements or capacity." These gigantic structures were atomic style cooling towers usually only seen at nuclear power plants where they guard the reactors as the Sphinx guards the great Pyramids. What were these conical structures doing in Foul Rift? I had never heard of nuclear plants in Western New Jersey. Something was completely out of place!..."there is no such thing as an "atomic style cooling tower" any heat engine requires cooling, and coal fired plants use exactly the same type of cooling tower. -- Nukes run at a lower thermal efficiency for safety reasons. Temperature and thus pressure are lower than in oil or coal steam plants. This increases the cooling tower load per killowatt thus nuke plants have larger towers than equivalent hydrocarbon installations. The size is the issue here. Other issues he made were the rails showed no sign of use and thirdly the "oil " storage tanks also showed no maintenance. So he describes a plant with anomolously large cooling towers and no visible fueling infrastructure. Also inhydrocarbon installations I have seen the tower is different,maybe 3 stories. The tower is to direct cooling air and discharged water vapor such that it doesnt re enter the heat exchangers. The nuclear plants have such large requirements a large structure is required to ensure no mixing. How about keeping an open mind Bob. You didnt read what he said as near as I can tell. Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.rene-r.com/essays/the-mystery-of-martins-creek.html In one man's opinion, I think that the Martin's Creek plant may just be the tip of the ice berg.. Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Help
About 20 plusyears ago I worked in a fuel farm and around a test stand that was testing - running a J-58 jet engine that used JP-8 fuel and that stuff was loaded with PCBs, acts as a coolant for the fuel as it burnes. Not uesr if it was an additive used just for this engine or inall JP-8. The J-58 was the engines that were in the SR-71. Scared to post, Steve - Original Message - From: Paul S Cantrell To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:10 PM Subject: [SPAM]: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Help It looks and smells like absolutely brand new. Apparently the additives in JP-8 include enough *-icide to keep it out. Also it was sealed tightly with no air. On 8/11/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would expect any fuel that old to be half digested by bacteria. Kirk Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we so strapped for fuel that we have to siphon 20 year old stuff out of helicopters now??? I guess it does make more sense than throwing it away, so I'd go for it. Since the main problem with kerosene in diesel engines is lack of lubricity, I'd mix it with biodiesel instead of diesel -- offset the low lubricity stuff with high lubricity stuff. Also, the whole impetus behind the army developing diesel motorcycles is apparently so they don't have to bring gasoline along at all -- helicopters, tanks, dirt bikes, everything will run on the same jet fuel Z On 8/11/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul;I can't say for sure but I have heard of the guys who work as ground crew at the Tortonto airport putting jet fuel in their diesel cars. Apparently fuel which is drained from wing tanks is not allowed to be put back in so they often have some 'waste'. JoePaul S Cantrell wrote: Good Afternoon all,I have an interesting story for ya'll today. I work at a small military college. Being a military school, we have a tank, a personnel carrier, a rocket, several howitzers, an F-4 Phantom, an anchor and a Huey Cobra helicopter on the parade field. The helicopter is why I'm writing. It was donated by the national guard 20 years ago and the engine was removed. However, the FUEL was not removed. It smells like kerosene. It is colorless/clear and dry, since the fuel tanks were full and sealed the whole time. This discovery was made when we decided to move it to pour a concrete pad for it. A sample weighs exactly 800 grams per liter (digital scale is +/-20 grams), so it is too heavy to be JP4 (50% gasoline/50%kerosene + additives), too light for diesel and about right to be JP8 (100% kerosene + additives). I referenced this website for densities of fuel:http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_liquids.htm I have a 98 VW Jetta TDI that has half a tank of regualar #2 diesel in it at the moment. I know up north in the US the fuel companies mix diesel with kerosene up to 50/50 in the winter time. Also, as I understand it, the new ULSD is very similar to kerosene.Should I have any reservation mixing it up to 50/50 in my car? I don't really, I just wanted to share the story and hear from ya'll. No real answers at the TDIClub website.-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Help
So sorry, I was thinking that the J-58 used JP-8, Its been awhile since a was around a fuel farm.I believe that it was JP-7 that the J-58 used. Sorry for any confusion. Now realy scard to post, Steve - Original Message - From: Paul S Cantrell To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:10 PM Subject: [SPAM]: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Help It looks and smells like absolutely brand new. Apparently the additives in JP-8 include enough *-icide to keep it out. Also it was sealed tightly with no air. On 8/11/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would expect any fuel that old to be half digested by bacteria. Kirk Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we so strapped for fuel that we have to siphon 20 year old stuff out of helicopters now??? I guess it does make more sense than throwing it away, so I'd go for it. Since the main problem with kerosene in diesel engines is lack of lubricity, I'd mix it with biodiesel instead of diesel -- offset the low lubricity stuff with high lubricity stuff. Also, the whole impetus behind the army developing diesel motorcycles is apparently so they don't have to bring gasoline along at all -- helicopters, tanks, dirt bikes, everything will run on the same jet fuel Z On 8/11/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul;I can't say for sure but I have heard of the guys who work as ground crew at the Tortonto airport putting jet fuel in their diesel cars. Apparently fuel which is drained from wing tanks is not allowed to be put back in so they often have some 'waste'. JoePaul S Cantrell wrote: Good Afternoon all,I have an interesting story for ya'll today. I work at a small military college. Being a military school, we have a tank, a personnel carrier, a rocket, several howitzers, an F-4 Phantom, an anchor and a Huey Cobra helicopter on the parade field. The helicopter is why I'm writing. It was donated by the national guard 20 years ago and the engine was removed. However, the FUEL was not removed. It smells like kerosene. It is colorless/clear and dry, since the fuel tanks were full and sealed the whole time. This discovery was made when we decided to move it to pour a concrete pad for it. A sample weighs exactly 800 grams per liter (digital scale is +/-20 grams), so it is too heavy to be JP4 (50% gasoline/50%kerosene + additives), too light for diesel and about right to be JP8 (100% kerosene + additives). I referenced this website for densities of fuel:http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_liquids.htm I have a 98 VW Jetta TDI that has half a tank of regualar #2 diesel in it at the moment. I know up north in the US the fuel companies mix diesel with kerosene up to 50/50 in the winter time. Also, as I understand it, the new ULSD is very similar to kerosene.Should I have any reservation mixing it up to 50/50 in my car? I don't really, I just wanted to share the story and hear from ya'll. No real answers at the TDIClub website.-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Do you Yahoo!?Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta
Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
From what I have seen on the net and read the fuel sould be washed 3 time to get a clean product. Some or most of you out there making biodiesel every day might say that this is over kil. I don't know as I'm just getting started. My first wash will be mist only to remove the bulk of unwanted products from the reaction. 2nd wash mist and mild aireation, 3rd wash, mist and strong aireation. I think that this might work to help cut down on any emulsions in the wash and help move the fuel in the tank around a bit on the last wash as well. Just my thoughs on it. Steve - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Thank for the info. Derick, I Would like to see pictures of your processor. I have made a few sample liters of biodiesel and this weekend will do a few more using used oil to nasty used oil to get a better feel for the the things that should and should not happen. Today a found a supply of used 100 gal tanks that I can use and mod to make my processor with. I plan to have one pertreat tank, processor tank, dry tank with two poly wash tanks. Frist wash tank will wash with spray in the frist stage and spray with air bubbler for the second stage. The second wash tank will have spray, bubbler and aggatation. Then to the dryer. After some testing of the fuel hopefully into the truck tank it will go. All of this might sound like a bit of over kill but this is what I feel comfortable with for my new 2005 truck. If any one wants to put any input in I'm all ears, really, there big. Will try to post pictures as I go with the consruction of the unit. Post them where? The list doesn't accept attachments (as you were advised when you joined). If you want to post pictures you can discuss it with me offlist and if suitable I can post them at the Journey to Forever website and give you a link to use. Thanks Again, Steve Why do you want to use sprays and air-bubblers Steve, to help prevent emulsions? Best Keith Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Derick Giorchino To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars I have a 04 dodge with a Cummins and have been running it on b100 for 1 ½ years after researching this to death. And finding nothing on bio in late models Cummins talks in circles about bio saying the jury is still out. Although they don't say not to use it they don't say its o.k. so I am doing my own research all is good with about 26000 miles in bio only. Good luck Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barton Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:15 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Thank for the info. Derick, I Would like to see pictures of your processor. I have made a few sample liters of biodiesel and this weekend will do a few more using used oil to nasty used oil to get abetter feel for the the things that should and should not happen. Today a found a supply of used 100 gal tanks that I can use and mod to make my processor with. I plan to have one pertreat tank, processor tank, dry tank with twopoly wash tanks. Frist wash tank will wash with spray in the frist stage and spray with air bubbler for the second stage. The second wash tank will have spray, bubbler and aggatation. Then to the dryer. After some testing of the fuel hopefully into the truck tank it will go. All of this might sound like a bit of over kill but this is what I feel comfortable with for my new 2005truck. If any one wants to put any input in I'm all ears, really, there big. Will try to post pictures as I go with the consruction of the unit. Thanks Again, Steve Original Message - From: Derick Giorchino To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars I have a 04 dodge with a Cummins and have been running it on b100 for 1 ½ years after researching this to death. And finding nothing on bio in late models Cummins talks in circles about bio saying the jury is still out. Although they dont say not to use it they dont say its o.k. so I am doing my own research all is good with about 26000 miles in bio only. Good luck Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve BartonSent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:15 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Thank for the input and info so far. Still pushing forward with a processor, but would like to hear more from anyone that has had trouble with the newer engines. Please keep them coming. Thanks, Steve - Original Message - From: DB To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars I had an 02 volkswagon golf that I put 30,000 miles on.(100% bio)there were no problems till the engine light went on. We took it too a couple of shops with no results and had to take it to the dealer. $1600 poorer all I knew is that the injector pump had to be replaced because the fuel sensor had failed. It was my wife's car and it took a week before we got it back. They woudn't give her the pump so I couldn't have a look. They said there was a $600 core charge. I was out of town on a job and couldn't do anything but pay the money. I was so pissed of that I sold it and bought an 86 mercedes 190D. (for her) I have an 83TD wagon. They both run on 100% BD, with no problem. We actually started out with an80 CD and sold it to buy the volkswagon.Good luck with the new crap . Computers and billions of sensors all made in China and doomed to heartache. The engine light will go on. blinking out this message.."go directly to dealer, bring CASH... DB - Original Message - From: Steve Barton To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Using biodiesel in newer truck-cars
Hello to all I'm new to all of this and have read and studied the makeing of biodiesel and have planed out a plane to produce it as well But befor diving into to deep of water I have not found much info about runing home made biodiesel in newer engines. I have a 2005 chevy diesel truck with the 6.6lly engine in it. Any links on the net or info about problems that I might have running biodiesel that I have made myself in a newer computer controled diesels would be nice. Thanks for the help. Frist post to the list, Steve ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
I have to agree here. I kept an organic lawn for 10 years. I used a mulching mower to put the clippings back into the lawn and used the mower on its tallest setting. The rare time I watered (which wasn't often even though I lived in Dallas with its 100F avg temps in the summer), I watered deeply - but mostly I let the lawn go dormant in the summer. None of the neighbors complained and not that I would have cared anyway. In the fall all the leaves from the trees went into compost piles and then in the spring or fall or whenever it suited, it was sifted through a 1/2 sifter, shovelled into a spreader and on it went on top of the grass. Compost is a great 'fertiliser'. It is slow releasing and is nicely balanced in all nutrients. You don't need to water it in and you can never overapply. There are no worries from any runoff. Contrary to some misconceptions about compost - it can never get too hot - the heat is from the micro-organisms who are doing the work of breaking the organic material down. They thrive on moisture and air and they produce heat as a by-product. The more heat, the faster the breakdown. There is no need to apply heat. The heat is a byproduct, not an input to compost.. Blowing hot air through compost, is, well, a lot of hot air. If anyone is in doubt of the power of compost, try this for a summer project: sneak out to a sports field with a spreader full of compost and in huge letters, spell out your favorite team's name ( or whatever!) on the pitch and then watch what happens for the rest of the season! Compost is a natural product. As long as the source is organic, home made compost is better than anything you would have normally used instead. Steve On Monday 19 June 2006 06:11 am, DB wrote: you don't have to grind compost really fine to spread it on your lawn...break it down to about 1/2 in particles and rake it in with a wide rake. I have a one acre lot with lots of grass, orchard and garden. I only weed the garden and only mow the grass. living in the city means your lawn needs to be as nice or better than your neighbors, but that is really just an ego problem. my lawn looks just fine to me...Your lawn probabily would look just fine to me too.DB - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic JJJN wrote: Hello folks, any organic lawn experts out there? I have been encroaching out 75% of my lawn with food plants for both wildlife and humans, but I still have this 25% and living in town I need to keep it lawn. the question is how does one raise a great lawn without weed killers etc? I have been wondering , can you take compost and grind it really fine and spread it on the lawn water it in? Would this be good? I don't think this is off topic, as it relates directly to the mentality of dirt as a growing medium that is so pervasive and lies at the root of much difficulty in our society. I've actually had a lawn professional suggest that I rip out my lawn and replace it with garden. You seem to be more successful at growing vegetables than grass, he said. I've aereated my lawn this year and watered with mixture of compost tea and organic compost enhancement liquid. It's much greener and healthier than it's been in the past, but this method still smacks of replacing chemical fertilizers with non chemical fertilizers. It's not that I hate grass, but I'm NOT pleased with the monoculture mentality that insists it must be of a uniform species. When we first bought this property it was covered in grasses that were long and made a lovely sound as the seed heads touseled in the wind. But now, I keep the motley collection of grasses that pass for lawn on my property trimmed to 55 millimeters. If anyone has better ideas for lawn maintenance that will not raise the ire of my neighbors (who already think I'm weird), please let me know. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Kicking the oil habit
Mike, I had to live with the guy. You have no idea the damage he did to the state. Steve - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kicking the oil habit Unfortunately. I am not a Loeb fan! Steve Knox wrote: Mike, I share your view of the Union Leader, but they do have a readership. Steve Knox - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kicking the oil habit My least favorite newspaper in the world. Look up Hush, you Muskies on the web. -Weaver Steve Knox wrote: I wish that I shared Robert Redford's confidence that Americans are way out in front of our leaders in facing our toughest national challenges. After the Memorial Day Weekend, the Manchester Union Leader, which is a statewide paper, ran an editorial about speeding on New Hampshire's Interstate Highways. They suggested that since most people were driving between 70 and 80 mph, we should raise the speed limit. Several days later they said how the response to that editorial was overwhelming in support. They said it was one of the greatest responses they had ever gotten. Speed reduces even further the already low mpg that most cars get. We can wish and hope that a majority of the American people are ready to face the challenge, but I'm not convinced. Steve Knox - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Kicking the oil habit http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/30/redford.oil/index.html Commentary: Kicking the oil habit By Robert Redford Special to CNN Tuesday, May 30, 2006; Posted: 4:55 p.m. EDT (20:55 GMT) Editor's note: Robert Redford is an award-winning actor, director, producer and founder of the Sundance Institute and Film Festival. Redford also is a businessman and philanthropist and has long supported various environmental causes. Robert Redford: America is ready to kick the oil habit. SUNDANCE, Utah (CNN) -- Today the American people are way out in front of our leaders. We're ready to face our toughest national challenges, and we deserve new and forward-looking solutions and leadership. The recent surge in gas prices has touched a raw nerve for many around the country, reminding us of an economy that is increasingly uncertain for the middle-class, a growing addiction to oil that draws us ever closer to dictators and despots, and a fragile global position with a climate that is increasingly out of balance. I believe America is ready to kick the oil habit and launch a new movement for real solutions and a better future. Something is happening all across the country. People are coming together and demanding new answers. A grassroots movement is gathering today to promote solutions, like renewable fuels, clean electricity, more efficient cars, and green buildings that use less energy -- all of which are exciting alternatives that rebuild our communities even as they cut pollution and create good jobs. And, when people come together to invest themselves in building a better future, we are not only helping to solve our energy crisis, but we are taking back our democracy itself. You can see this change in many places. In California this November, voters will be offered an initiative that cuts the use of oil by 25 percent and creates new funding to support innovation and cutting edge technology. Austin, Texas, is leading a growing number of cities in calling for car companies to produce plug-in hybrid vehicles that can go hundreds of miles on a gallon of gas. New Mexico has joined the Chicago Climate Exchange, pledging to reduce its carbon emissions, and at the same time becoming a national leader in creating a state-of-the-art clean energy economy. In Minnesota they have jump-started a new biofuels industry driven by farmer-owned co-ops that are putting more money back into rural communities and lifting up people's lives. Cities like Seattle are joining with others around the world and taking on goals for green development, while states like Colorado are passing bond initiatives for transit and new requirements for clean energy. Recently, a dynamic new campaign launched to seize and grow these opportunities and break our energy dependence. It's called KickTheOilHabit.org, and it has the backing of a diverse coalition of organizations. Its first action was to challenge oil companies to double the number of renewable fuel pumps at their stations within the year and pledge to offer E85 ethanol fuel at half of all gas stations within the decade. This is a simple clear action that the oil companies can do today. But it is only a first step. Many others are ready to be put in action despite industry claims to the contrary. In coming months, this campaign, which is based
Re: [Biofuel] Kicking the oil habit
Mike, I share your view of the Union Leader, but they do have a readership. Steve Knox - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kicking the oil habit My least favorite newspaper in the world. Look up Hush, you Muskies on the web. -Weaver Steve Knox wrote: I wish that I shared Robert Redford's confidence that Americans are way out in front of our leaders in facing our toughest national challenges. After the Memorial Day Weekend, the Manchester Union Leader, which is a statewide paper, ran an editorial about speeding on New Hampshire's Interstate Highways. They suggested that since most people were driving between 70 and 80 mph, we should raise the speed limit. Several days later they said how the response to that editorial was overwhelming in support. They said it was one of the greatest responses they had ever gotten. Speed reduces even further the already low mpg that most cars get. We can wish and hope that a majority of the American people are ready to face the challenge, but I'm not convinced. Steve Knox - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Kicking the oil habit http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/30/redford.oil/index.html Commentary: Kicking the oil habit By Robert Redford Special to CNN Tuesday, May 30, 2006; Posted: 4:55 p.m. EDT (20:55 GMT) Editor's note: Robert Redford is an award-winning actor, director, producer and founder of the Sundance Institute and Film Festival. Redford also is a businessman and philanthropist and has long supported various environmental causes. Robert Redford: America is ready to kick the oil habit. SUNDANCE, Utah (CNN) -- Today the American people are way out in front of our leaders. We're ready to face our toughest national challenges, and we deserve new and forward-looking solutions and leadership. The recent surge in gas prices has touched a raw nerve for many around the country, reminding us of an economy that is increasingly uncertain for the middle-class, a growing addiction to oil that draws us ever closer to dictators and despots, and a fragile global position with a climate that is increasingly out of balance. I believe America is ready to kick the oil habit and launch a new movement for real solutions and a better future. Something is happening all across the country. People are coming together and demanding new answers. A grassroots movement is gathering today to promote solutions, like renewable fuels, clean electricity, more efficient cars, and green buildings that use less energy -- all of which are exciting alternatives that rebuild our communities even as they cut pollution and create good jobs. And, when people come together to invest themselves in building a better future, we are not only helping to solve our energy crisis, but we are taking back our democracy itself. You can see this change in many places. In California this November, voters will be offered an initiative that cuts the use of oil by 25 percent and creates new funding to support innovation and cutting edge technology. Austin, Texas, is leading a growing number of cities in calling for car companies to produce plug-in hybrid vehicles that can go hundreds of miles on a gallon of gas. New Mexico has joined the Chicago Climate Exchange, pledging to reduce its carbon emissions, and at the same time becoming a national leader in creating a state-of-the-art clean energy economy. In Minnesota they have jump-started a new biofuels industry driven by farmer-owned co-ops that are putting more money back into rural communities and lifting up people's lives. Cities like Seattle are joining with others around the world and taking on goals for green development, while states like Colorado are passing bond initiatives for transit and new requirements for clean energy. Recently, a dynamic new campaign launched to seize and grow these opportunities and break our energy dependence. It's called KickTheOilHabit.org, and it has the backing of a diverse coalition of organizations. Its first action was to challenge oil companies to double the number of renewable fuel pumps at their stations within the year and pledge to offer E85 ethanol fuel at half of all gas stations within the decade. This is a simple clear action that the oil companies can do today. But it is only a first step. Many others are ready to be put in action despite industry claims to the contrary. In coming months, this campaign, which is based at the Center for American Progress and works with partners from the Natural Resources Defense Council to Consumers Union, MoveOn.org to the Apollo Alliance, will launch new challenges to our elected leaders, but it will also point to good work that is already going on all around the country. It will illuminate efforts on Capitol Hill
Re: [Biofuel] Kicking the oil habit
I wish that I shared Robert Redford's confidence that Americans are way out in front of our leaders in facing our toughest national challenges. After the Memorial Day Weekend, the Manchester Union Leader, which is a statewide paper, ran an editorial about speeding on New Hampshire's Interstate Highways. They suggested that since most people were driving between 70 and 80 mph, we should raise the speed limit. Several days later they said how the response to that editorial was overwhelming in support. They said it was one of the greatest responses they had ever gotten. Speed reduces even further the already low mpg that most cars get. We can wish and hope that a majority of the American people are ready to face the challenge, but I'm not convinced. Steve Knox - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Kicking the oil habit http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/30/redford.oil/index.html Commentary: Kicking the oil habit By Robert Redford Special to CNN Tuesday, May 30, 2006; Posted: 4:55 p.m. EDT (20:55 GMT) Editor's note: Robert Redford is an award-winning actor, director, producer and founder of the Sundance Institute and Film Festival. Redford also is a businessman and philanthropist and has long supported various environmental causes. Robert Redford: America is ready to kick the oil habit. SUNDANCE, Utah (CNN) -- Today the American people are way out in front of our leaders. We're ready to face our toughest national challenges, and we deserve new and forward-looking solutions and leadership. The recent surge in gas prices has touched a raw nerve for many around the country, reminding us of an economy that is increasingly uncertain for the middle-class, a growing addiction to oil that draws us ever closer to dictators and despots, and a fragile global position with a climate that is increasingly out of balance. I believe America is ready to kick the oil habit and launch a new movement for real solutions and a better future. Something is happening all across the country. People are coming together and demanding new answers. A grassroots movement is gathering today to promote solutions, like renewable fuels, clean electricity, more efficient cars, and green buildings that use less energy -- all of which are exciting alternatives that rebuild our communities even as they cut pollution and create good jobs. And, when people come together to invest themselves in building a better future, we are not only helping to solve our energy crisis, but we are taking back our democracy itself. You can see this change in many places. In California this November, voters will be offered an initiative that cuts the use of oil by 25 percent and creates new funding to support innovation and cutting edge technology. Austin, Texas, is leading a growing number of cities in calling for car companies to produce plug-in hybrid vehicles that can go hundreds of miles on a gallon of gas. New Mexico has joined the Chicago Climate Exchange, pledging to reduce its carbon emissions, and at the same time becoming a national leader in creating a state-of-the-art clean energy economy. In Minnesota they have jump-started a new biofuels industry driven by farmer-owned co-ops that are putting more money back into rural communities and lifting up people's lives. Cities like Seattle are joining with others around the world and taking on goals for green development, while states like Colorado are passing bond initiatives for transit and new requirements for clean energy. Recently, a dynamic new campaign launched to seize and grow these opportunities and break our energy dependence. It's called KickTheOilHabit.org, and it has the backing of a diverse coalition of organizations. Its first action was to challenge oil companies to double the number of renewable fuel pumps at their stations within the year and pledge to offer E85 ethanol fuel at half of all gas stations within the decade. This is a simple clear action that the oil companies can do today. But it is only a first step. Many others are ready to be put in action despite industry claims to the contrary. In coming months, this campaign, which is based at the Center for American Progress and works with partners from the Natural Resources Defense Council to Consumers Union, MoveOn.org to the Apollo Alliance, will launch new challenges to our elected leaders, but it will also point to good work that is already going on all around the country. It will illuminate efforts on Capitol Hill by those who are concerned about the public good as well as the work of a myriad of grassroots groups effectively pushing innovative technological and public policy solutions alike. Kick the Oil Habit will bring forth the dynamic narrative of American innovation and inspired thinking. It will give everyone who
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood
I believe that there is a company in Germany (CHOREN) who makes biodiesel from wood. If my memory is correct, they're getting about 60 or so gallons per ton. A major oil company has bought an interest in the company. Steve - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood Using wood as feedstock means using either lignin or cellulose, right? If so, alot of stuff could be made into biodiesel -- grass, weeds, cardboard, etc... Thermo catalytic cracking is the only thing I can think of that could do this. Unless they have some fancy microbes that can digest lignin and give oil? I also remember that in WWII germany was trying to distill gasoline substitutes from pine trees -- I thought this was more like turpentine though, derived more from the sap than the wood? I'm not an expert on this by any means, but perhaps someone else remembers exactly what they were doing. Zeke On 6/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone heard of such a thing? It says Wood-based biodiesel production requires the development of new technology. Are they on to something or are they still working out if this is even possible? Steve http://snipurl.com/r8b3 (2006-05-26) Hydro and Norske Skog have agreed to carry out a joint feasibility study relating to the production of biodiesel from wood. The intention is to identify the feasibility of establishing a biodiesel production facility in south-east Norway. Such a plant could come on stream by 2012 at the earliest. We consider ourselves to be natural partners as far as wood-based biodiesel is concerned. Hydro has wide experience derived from the construction and operation of major processing plants and from the quest to find new forms of energy. Norske Skog has considerable expertise when it comes to wood purchasing and treating wood pulp, say senior vice president Alexandra Bech Gjørv of Hydro and vice president Terje Engevik of Norske Skog. A technically superior product The production of biodiesel is currently based on rapeseed or other oil-based raw materials. Wood-based biodiesel production requires the development of new technology. Once this technology is in place, it will be possible to offer an even better product than today?s biodiesel. Today only a five-percent biodiesel tank mixture is available. Wood-based biodiesel will give us a technically superior product without such limitations. By using timber we can also utilize a much greater proportion of the raw material and considerably reduce greenhouse gas emissions compared with biodiesel produced from rapeseed or other plant oils. This means that wood-based biodiesel will be a an even more environmentally friendly fuel than today?s biodiesel, the two companies say in a press release. NEW ENERGY: Alexandra Bech Gjørv is responsible for Hydro's efforts to develop renewable energy. (Photo: Kåre Foss) Long road to completion The road to completion of a possible production plant is, however, a long one. To begin with, collaboration between the two companies involves a feasibility study that will primarily provide an overview of the technologies available in the market, identify the availability of raw materials, and create a realistic picture of the external governing conditions that must be in place in order to reach an investment decision. CO2 emissions represent a climate threat that affects all of us, and we can see that the political will exists to promote biodiesel as an environmentally friendly alternative to regular fuels. There is great potential for biodiesel in the market of the future, but if this market is going to materialize we are in need of a sound, long-term operating framework from the authorities, state Bech Gjørv and Engevik. Author: Lars Nermoen Published: 2006-05-26 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood
Jan, I am the wrong person to answer those questions. I think they are using gasification and then F-T, but that is just a guess on my part. I live in the White Mountains of New Hampshire, and we are exploring using low grade wood (woodchips) as the feedstock for ethanol production. We are leaning towards gasification. Does anyone in the group have any comments on that technology? Steve Knox - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood Hello Steve et al, if my memory isn¨t fooling me, is there a fatty acid fraction in tall oil. The composition of this reminds very much of that of soy bean oil. But it takes a lot of distilling and fractionizing to get this fatty acid fraction clean enough. Wood is more suitable for ethanol production I think. Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Steve Knox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood I believe that there is a company in Germany (CHOREN) who makes biodiesel from wood. If my memory is correct, they're getting about 60 or so gallons per ton. A major oil company has bought an interest in the company. Steve - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood Using wood as feedstock means using either lignin or cellulose, right? If so, alot of stuff could be made into biodiesel -- grass, weeds, cardboard, etc... Thermo catalytic cracking is the only thing I can think of that could do this. Unless they have some fancy microbes that can digest lignin and give oil? I also remember that in WWII germany was trying to distill gasoline substitutes from pine trees -- I thought this was more like turpentine though, derived more from the sap than the wood? I'm not an expert on this by any means, but perhaps someone else remembers exactly what they were doing. Zeke On 6/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone heard of such a thing? It says Wood-based biodiesel production requires the development of new technology. Are they on to something or are they still working out if this is even possible? Steve http://snipurl.com/r8b3 (2006-05-26) Hydro and Norske Skog have agreed to carry out a joint feasibility study relating to the production of biodiesel from wood. The intention is to identify the feasibility of establishing a biodiesel production facility in south-east Norway. Such a plant could come on stream by 2012 at the earliest. We consider ourselves to be natural partners as far as wood-based biodiesel is concerned. Hydro has wide experience derived from the construction and operation of major processing plants and from the quest to find new forms of energy. Norske Skog has considerable expertise when it comes to wood purchasing and treating wood pulp, say senior vice president Alexandra Bech Gjørv of Hydro and vice president Terje Engevik of Norske Skog. A technically superior product The production of biodiesel is currently based on rapeseed or other oil-based raw materials. Wood-based biodiesel production requires the development of new technology. Once this technology is in place, it will be possible to offer an even better product than today?s biodiesel. Today only a five-percent biodiesel tank mixture is available. Wood-based biodiesel will give us a technically superior product without such limitations. By using timber we can also utilize a much greater proportion of the raw material and considerably reduce greenhouse gas emissions compared with biodiesel produced from rapeseed or other plant oils. This means that wood-based biodiesel will be a an even more environmentally friendly fuel than today?s biodiesel, the two companies say in a press release. NEW ENERGY: Alexandra Bech Gjørv is responsible for Hydro's efforts to develop renewable energy. (Photo: Kåre Foss) Long road to completion The road to completion of a possible production plant is, however, a long one. To begin with, collaboration between the two companies involves a feasibility study that will primarily provide an overview of the technologies available in the market, identify the availability of raw materials, and create a realistic picture of the external governing conditions that must be in place in order to reach an investment decision. CO2 emissions represent a climate threat that affects all of us, and we can see that the political will exists to promote biodiesel as an environmentally friendly alternative to regular fuels. There is great potential for biodiesel in the market of the future, but if this market is going to materialize we are in need of a sound, long-term operating framework from the authorities, state Bech Gjørv
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood
Hi Bob, Canaan isn't too far away. Yes, methanol is quite available from wood, and seems to be an older technology. Apparently the production costs are attractive. There is a professor at Dartmouth, not too far away from Canaan, who uses enzymes to produce ethanol from pulp sludge. There is at least one start up company in the US who claims to produce about 100 gallons of ethanol per ton of wood. They use gasification. To the best of my knowledge, they have no plants up and running, and I think their statements are based on lab results. What makes ethanol from wood attractive is the low feedstock costs. Since trees use only solar energy to grow, the initial EROEI should be more attractive, but production costs may nullify that to some extent. Everything that I have read, seems to indicate that ethanol from cellulose is not that far away.Dynamotive, in British Columbia uses a pyrolysis system to produce bio-oil. They are working with a German company to convert the bio-oil in biodiesel. According to a press release, initial results were very encouraging. Steve Knox - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood Howdy Steve gasification of cellulose forms methanol, not ethanol, right? hydrolysis of the cellulose/hemicellulose then fermentation would yield ethanol, but the processes are quite different. btw, the white mountains is a beautiful place. I lived in Canaan NH for a couple of years, many yrs ago. Steve Knox wrote: Jan, I am the wrong person to answer those questions. I think they are using gasification and then F-T, but that is just a guess on my part. I live in the White Mountains of New Hampshire, and we are exploring using low grade wood (woodchips) as the feedstock for ethanol production. We are leaning towards gasification. Does anyone in the group have any comments on that technology? Steve Knox - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood Hello Steve et al, if my memory isn¨t fooling me, is there a fatty acid fraction in tall oil. The composition of this reminds very much of that of soy bean oil. But it takes a lot of distilling and fractionizing to get this fatty acid fraction clean enough. Wood is more suitable for ethanol production I think. Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Steve Knox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood I believe that there is a company in Germany (CHOREN) who makes biodiesel from wood. If my memory is correct, they're getting about 60 or so gallons per ton. A major oil company has bought an interest in the company. Steve - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood Using wood as feedstock means using either lignin or cellulose, right? If so, alot of stuff could be made into biodiesel -- grass, weeds, cardboard, etc... Thermo catalytic cracking is the only thing I can think of that could do this. Unless they have some fancy microbes that can digest lignin and give oil? I also remember that in WWII germany was trying to distill gasoline substitutes from pine trees -- I thought this was more like turpentine though, derived more from the sap than the wood? I'm not an expert on this by any means, but perhaps someone else remembers exactly what they were doing. Zeke On 6/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone heard of such a thing? It says Wood-based biodiesel production requires the development of new technology. Are they on to something or are they still working out if this is even possible? Steve http://snipurl.com/r8b3 (2006-05-26) Hydro and Norske Skog have agreed to carry out a joint feasibility study relating to the production of biodiesel from wood. The intention is to identify the feasibility of establishing a biodiesel production facility in south-east Norway. Such a plant could come on stream by 2012 at the earliest. We consider ourselves to be natural partners as far as wood-based biodiesel is concerned. Hydro has wide experience derived from the construction and operation of major processing plants and from the quest to find new forms of energy. Norske Skog has considerable expertise when it comes to wood purchasing and treating wood pulp, say senior vice president Alexandra Bech Gjørv of Hydro and vice president Terje Engevik of Norske Skog. A technically superior product The production of biodiesel is currently based on rapeseed or other oil-based raw materials. Wood-based biodiesel production requires
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
Actually, you were heading in the right direction, Zeke. All conifers are technically softwoods, period. Softwoods are distinguished from other plants by their reproduction method. All softwoods are cone bearing. Hardwoods are flower bearing. As a general rule of thumb, if it's a broadleaf or also very roughly, if it's deciduous, it's probably a hardwood (don't be fooled though, there are many exceptions in both camps - for example here in New Zealand most of the indigenous hardwoods, except for one are evergreen and on the other side, Larches and some cypresses, both conifers, are deciduous) The term softwood, though has little bearing on the hardness of the wood, though in general, they are softer than hardwoods. Again, exceptions abound. Balsa is a hardwood, Yew which is harder than most hardwoods is a softwood. Confused yet? Having said that all of the trees you mentioned are hardwoods and therefore fine for producing lye. Now, I'm not an expert on making lye from wood ashes but veside the JtF info, I did find this on the net regarding softwood vs hardwood ashes for soapmaking: http://www.endtimesreport.com/making_lye.html Soft wood ashes yield a lye that will only produce soft soap. Hardwood ash lye will make harder soap for bars, and the best ash of all is from seaweed, such as kelp. Kelp ash lye produces an extremely hard, durable soap. I can't quite reconcile that with the info on JtF because this might suggest that hardwood ash would contain more NaOH than softwood - which for soap making would be far better, but maybe lye from softwood ash would be better for biofuel production? Maybe someone else can clarify this. I would imagine that most of the lye making techniques from the past using wood ashes had soap making as a goal. Maybe softwoods just don't produce as much lye? or not just the type of lye affects the hardness of soap? I'm beyond my realm of knowledge at this point, so more questions than answers. In any case, your source would be fine. Steve On Saturday 13 May 2006 01:57 am, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Often all broadleaf trees are called hardwoods, and all conifers are called softwoods, but that's not really true. For example, aspens have much softer wood than do larch. I'm not sure of a technical definition -- a certain hardness or strength or something? Or in this case it seems like we're looking for a certain chemical composition, which could vary with soil type as well? Z On 5/11/06, Scott Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not an expert in these matters, but I know that Oak and I think Walnut and Maple are hardwoods. I'm not sure about elm and cherry. Sounds to me like it'd be a good source. --Scott Burton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Katie Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:57 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst my father is a forester, and is very much involved with resource management (hes the coordinator) at a forest preserve where i grew up, every three years a logging company is called in to thin out a small section of the park, and these sections are rotated every cycle. my father collects the tops from the trees that are removed and cuts them for firewood, which is all oak, walnut, maple, cherry, and elm. would this group of woods be a suitable supply of ash for KOH? i know the article calls for hardwood, but there are some non-pine varieties that dont qualify. anyway, im rambling. this supply would be a good way to heat an alcohol distillery or even just basic home heating, but there need not be any real waste of energy in the pursuit of wood ash, and anyone with a rain barrel can make their own KOH. there are a thousand ways around any obstacle but the most fitting is the least obvious. Jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
I hope it leads to some good results as well. The second article from the Iowa State shed much more light on it and I'm glad John found it and passed it on. I'm not trying to be negative. We need more Mr.Lins. I just wish that with his knowledge and training he could remain focused on research rather than having to split his time starting a company and campaigning for research dollars to continue his work. On the other hand having a reality check with new ideas to see if they produce economically viable results in the marketplace is important too. I wish Mr.Lin well but just think of the progress if we threw some real dollars at this area - like for example a fraction of the military and defense research spending. Steve On Monday 08 May 2006 10:55 am, JJJN wrote: Hello Steve, Yea it a bummer to see our think tanks beg, but the bottom line is if they start producing the catalyst for sale, chances are we can buy it, not so different than going to your local chemical supply and buying KOH eh? I think Mr Lin is trying to use his minute in the limelight to express what they have done and give the State a good kicking in the butt to start supporting what they at the university do (Academics vs Sports) and after the Hawkeyes Basketball season why not? I don't agree with -see below... Best Jim Steve Racz wrote: Here is the article online (using snipurl!) http://snipurl.com/q4st If the catalyst is reusable, but only 20 times, what happens then? Can the catalyst be recycled? The details are vague but it seems that this is intentional as it seems Mr. Lin and his colleagues and especially the University of Iowa are trying to cash in on their research, not share it. Sorry if I sound like a cynic, but the article sounds more like a free informercial touting the benefits of university and industry collaboration (read - how to raise $$$ for the University) with the work with renewable fuels being only the buzzword to bind it together. Not that I don't think that there shouldn't be collaboration, it's that this is blatantly using biodiesel research as a headliner and not much else. Not much else? Then Why is the Coop going to start Commercially testing the Catalyst? I'm actually saddened that with all the blah, blah about being addicted to oil, that begging is still required by universities for funding of research that seems so basic and that people like Mr.Lin are forced into the commercial world when clearly it's not ready for commercialization. Right the catalyst is not ready for commercialization but it is ready to test for that purpose. Please don't misunderstand me, I hope it becomes available but until the next 1000 yards of research and testing is complete I am not going to cancel any orders for KOH. It does state : Grants from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the U.S. Department of Energy and the state's Iowa Values Fund have helped support the ISU researchers' work. but that doesn't stop them from saying this: If the work with West Central shows the catalysts will work on a commercial scale, Lin may form a company to produce the catalysts. But that, as well as continuing research on campus, will take significant funding, he and others said. If we could get support from the state and from these local companies, there is no reason why it would not stay here, Lin said. I see opportunity in Iowa. Steve On Sunday 07 May 2006 03:35 pm, JJJN wrote: My mother in law sent me an article by Anne Fitzgerald writing for the (Des Moines?) Register. The article states that Victor Lin and two fellow University of Iowa Chemists have created a new catalyst that is reusable (20 times) and can be filtered. The catalyst will be quite a bit more expensive than what we are using now but will pay out over time because of the reuse. West Central cooperative is going to test the catalyst on a commercial scale. Anne Fitzgerald can be reached at 515 284 8122 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] This sounds very much like the glucose/carbon/sulfur carbon compound. BUT I do not know if it is or something new. Well lets hope this becomes available to us all very soon. My best Jim. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Steve Racz (03) 383 8167 [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
Here is the article online (using snipurl!) http://snipurl.com/q4st If the catalyst is reusable, but only 20 times, what happens then? Can the catalyst be recycled? The details are vague but it seems that this is intentional as it seems Mr. Lin and his colleagues and especially the University of Iowa are trying to cash in on their research, not share it. Sorry if I sound like a cynic, but the article sounds more like a free informercial touting the benefits of university and industry collaboration (read - how to raise $$$ for the University) with the work with renewable fuels being only the buzzword to bind it together. Not that I don't think that there shouldn't be collaboration, it's that this is blatantly using biodiesel research as a headliner and not much else. I'm actually saddened that with all the blah, blah about being addicted to oil, that begging is still required by universities for funding of research that seems so basic and that people like Mr.Lin are forced into the commercial world when clearly it's not ready for commercialization. It does state : Grants from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the U.S. Department of Energy and the state's Iowa Values Fund have helped support the ISU researchers' work. but that doesn't stop them from saying this: If the work with West Central shows the catalysts will work on a commercial scale, Lin may form a company to produce the catalysts. But that, as well as continuing research on campus, will take significant funding, he and others said. If we could get support from the state and from these local companies, there is no reason why it would not stay here, Lin said. I see opportunity in Iowa. Steve On Sunday 07 May 2006 03:35 pm, JJJN wrote: My mother in law sent me an article by Anne Fitzgerald writing for the (Des Moines?) Register. The article states that Victor Lin and two fellow University of Iowa Chemists have created a new catalyst that is reusable (20 times) and can be filtered. The catalyst will be quite a bit more expensive than what we are using now but will pay out over time because of the reuse. West Central cooperative is going to test the catalyst on a commercial scale. Anne Fitzgerald can be reached at 515 284 8122 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] This sounds very much like the glucose/carbon/sulfur carbon compound. BUT I do not know if it is or something new. Well lets hope this becomes available to us all very soon. My best Jim. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Steve Racz (03) 383 8167 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Pollution: Where have all the baby boysgone?
You're entitled to your opinion sexist! Steve - Original Message - From: Gary L. Green To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Pollution: Where have all the baby boysgone? Just my opinion but girls are better anyway. On 6 Apr 2006, at 07:58, mark manchester wrote: Every year, thousands of British babies who should be boys are born girls. The answer to this mystery could lie in a small town in Canada. Geoffrey Lean reports ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wet Composting
Composting can be achieved either aerobically or anaerobically. They are different processes, require different conditions and organisms and the organisms themselves have different requirements. To achieve a more complete decomposition in a shorter period of time, you can help the aerobic organisms by replenishing their oxygen supply and their moisture requirements. You do not need to add additional organic material 'to ensure a complete reaction' if you start with a proper mix in the first place.(Technically it's not a reaction anyway, more of a digestion). If you start an aerobic pile and let the organisms get to the point where they have consumed all of the oxygen and moisture and have produced heat as a byproduct, then you get into a more anaerobic decomposition. If you turn the pile, it becomes an aerobic decomposition again. What's my point? If you build a proper aerobic compost mix and just leave it, nature will take of it eventually- without a question. Why work hard to do what nature already does so well. Anaerobic composting is a bit more complex but can be aided with the addition of certain microbes. Anaerobic composting is what occurs in a garbage dump - with at least one byproduct being methane. I think in your scenario, the aerobic microbes would drown. Why the interest in just tea bags anyway, though? There is plenty of free material available for composting - leaves, grass, straw, vegetable scraps, sawdust, woodchips, hair - should be easy enough to collect enough 'browns' and 'greens' to make a good pile. For free sources, try your local grocer, barbershop, woodshop - heck I used to steal bags of leaves in the fall from the neighbors and the pumpkins and strawbales after Hallowe'en and I had a container left out in the office kitchen area to collect coffee grinds/teabags. No problem composting these. A local entrepreneur in the Dallas area had the local Dr.Pepper bottling plant pay to deliver the spoiled batches of syrup to his quarry which they otherwise would have had to treat before dumping and charged the timber industry to dump their sawdust in same. He turned the pile with bulldozers , then bagged and sold the finished compost. Money to bring it in, money to take it away. Garbage into gold using nature! Brilliant! And just so we don't stray off alternate fuels too far - the methane off garbage dumps can be recovered - this is nothing new - my local community here in New Zealand is tapping a closed dump and piping the methane 2 kms to a nearby community center to heat the pool. If you include an aerobic compost pile in say a greenhouse, it can provide an alternate source of heat while being close for disposal of all your gardening 'waste'. Haven't found a way to have it power my Toyota Surf turbo diesel yet though. -- Steve Racz [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday 07 March 2006 03:47 pm, Rexis Tree wrote: Composting required aerobic condition and well balanced C-N ratio to carry out. And require active turning the compost pile to mix in oxygen and fresh organic material to ensure a complete reaction. If compost too wet and soak in water will turn the pile into anaerobic compost which result in none complete and smelly compost. But how about this one? If i soak a lot of organic material in water, bubble air thru the water, and perhaps keep it warm at 35 C. Will it create any compost in the end? In theory the bacterial should get enough oxygen to undergo aerobic reaction. And what is tea bag's CN ratio? I plan to collect lots of tea grounds to do compost, perhaps i will get it from restaurants or coffee shops. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Birth of an Industry
Hi Kenji, I've read some of the report you quoted. I guess it must be kept in mind that this is a submission from a private enterprise to the government on recommendations for expanding the industry in Canada, both from a producer perspective and from a consumer perspective. It is certainly not legislation. A further point is that they recommended registration and certification for biofuel/producers that enters the fuel distribution system. This would take home-brew systems pretty much off the radar screen from this kind of scrutiny. Of course if this were to turn into legislation, it would still leave out a whole class of producer - that operated like a the equivalent of the beer micro-brewery ie: a small commercial producer selling direct to the public. Surely we would expect some type of standards to be adhered to if fuel was being sold to the public. I agree with you, however, that if certifications and registration were made universal, that could be to the detriment of the home producer (depending on how costly this becomes) and that would not be desirable. The solutions to world energy requirements post cheap oil (ie: today) has to involve lots of different solutions at the local level with local people who care about their local environment( and therefore the global environment). We can't leave it to big business to solve this one because we already know where their values are and what results that leads to. Steve On Wednesday 22 February 2006 02:04 pm, Kenji James Fuse wrote: So here's the latest I've found for Canada. The push is on for the government of Canada to establish a Federal registration and certification program for all biodiesel producers, importers to guarantee all biodiesel into the Canadian petroleum fuel distribution system meets the accepted North American quality standard ASTM D6751. Quality = Good Registration and Certification at the Government Level = BAD Here's the full report: http://www.www.canadianbioenergy.com/Resources/ DEVELOPING_A_CANADIAN_BIODIESEL_INDUSTRY.pdf My worry is the micro- and small-scale producer (ie backyard brewer) is going to be penalized if not criminalized, very shortly in Canada. Let's have our own accreditation system so I can talk to my elected offical and make sure we aren't screwed over in favour of big tax dollar lobbyists! Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Steve Racz (03) 383 8167 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Looking for still materials in Houston, TX
Mark, I llved in Dallas for 10 years and I found that Apex Supply always had what I needed. I also worked for Home Depot so I understand that they don't always have the specialty items. http://www.apexsupplyco.com/branches.htm They have several branches around Texas, the closest to you is Austin but perhaps they can either ship parts to you or you can contact them for a suggestoin on a closer source in Houston. Steve On Thursday 16 February 2006 08:43 am, Mark Kennedy wrote: Home Depot was my first stop. I have three of them within 10 mins of my house. the home depot's around here only carry copper pipe up to 1 diameter. 1.5 and 2 is uncommon in residential use here because of the climate, i suppose. i wish i knew a plumber here... but... pvc is plentiful but i have seen recommendations against it. anything wrong with building one out of pvc for first-time short-term use? -Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:16 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Looking for still materials in Houston, TX They all look like standard hardware store items to me, but I'm also spoiled by a really good hardware store in town. Have you tried Home Depot? They might have stuff which could be made to work. On 2/15/06, Mark Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for materials for constructing an ethanol still out of copper pipe and fittings like the one shown below: http://www.moonshine-still.com/ materials list is here, the second one down on the page: Internal Reflux Still: http://www.moonshine-still.com/Appendix%201.htm any ideas where I can find the materials in Houston? i cannot buy wholesale and that is the only source i have found. thanks Mark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Steve Racz (03) 383 8167 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
Hey Felix, I'm interested. Where abouts are you in Canada? I'd like more details on the truck and the cars. SteveSteve Reimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in CanadaDate: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:23:14 -0500 Happy day Steve! A neighbor has a full-size (dodge cummins I believe)one for sale... would you like me to get more info on it? Peace Good luck! Felix P.S. and I have two diesel mercedes for sale, should you be interested... ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
Stan wrote "I don'tunderstand why Toyota doesn't just sell a new diesel pickup here". Has anyone visited a Toyota dealer and asked that question. I think I will when I get back to Canada in 3 weeks. Alternatively, I wonder if they (Toyota) would have a cheaper way of importing a diesel engine.Steve Reimer From:Stanley baer [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in CanadaDate:Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:43:46 -0500There is no easy way to get a small diesel pickup in southern ontario.I am driving an isuzu that I put a VW diesel into.Next time i ambuying a Toyota and putting one of those imported used diesel enginesfrom Japan.Even the used engines sell for $3000-$4000, not to mentionthe problem of finding a good Toyota with a bad engine.I don'tunderstand why Toyota doesn't just sell a new diesel pickup here.stan___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
Any suggestions on where I can find a small to mid sized dieselpick-up truck in Ontario, Canada? In the truck trader, I only found 2 or 3 older trucks with over 300 000km.Steve Reimer ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel Kits
I'm anxious to get started in learning how to make biodiesel, and some web searches have turned up outfits like www.makebiodiesel.org, which market complete kits. Are these things really worth it, or are they selling junk to the uninitiated? -Steve ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Hemp oil
I have a question that I have been debating with a biology teacher. Is Hemp illegal to grow in the US. If it is not, where is it grown and what are the exceptions to being allowed to grow it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hemp oil I won't vouch for the accuracy, but the numbers don't seem unreasonable Iodine Value: 166.5 http://www.ganjaland.com/oil.htm JanWarnqvist wrote: Hwllo everybody. Does anybody know of a good average iodine number for hemp oil ? AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] uses for charcoal -- (was) simple cook stoves
I'm afraid not. The charcoal used in filtration is activated charcoal, which is made by burning bone or similar material in an oxygen-deprived environment. If you try to filter water through charcoal briquettes or wood, I believe the output is LYE. You could make soap with the lye I suppose, but if you drink the output you'll be a very unhappy camper. -Steve A while back, we had a discussion on simple cook stoves. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/46479/1 I was wondering if some of the charcoal collected from the stove could be used as a water purifier. I quickly checked the archives to see if it was already discussed and didn't find anything. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] cell phones and safety
It is indeed important to maintain perspective. Personally, I don't like to see people drive and talk on the phone at the same time -- it's a visible sign of a disregard for their own safety and the safety of others on the road. But if you review the statistics and studies on the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) website, it's plain to see that talking on a cell phone isn't the holy grail of driving abuse that some make it out to be. For example, the NHTSA estimates that driver distraction from ALL sources contributes to 25 percent of all police-reported traffic crashes. They do say that cell phone usage can present a significant cognitive distraction, but the study also admits that cell phone usage may be no more of a distraction than talking to someone else in the vehicle. Furthermore, in a controlled study, comparing eating and operating a cell phone to continuously operating a CD player, it was found that the CD player operation was more distracting than the other activities. In a test track study conducted by NHTSA, the results showed that manual dialing was about as distracting as grooming/eating, but less distracting than reading or changing CDs. This leads me to wonder, despite my great dislike for drivers who yap on the phone while driving, if cell phone usage isn't the real culprit -- it's the drivers themselves. Some people are prone to distraction, and if it wasn't a cell phone they might be daydreaming, or flipping the radio around, or chatting with someone else in the car. What we might have to consider is that people may be at fault, not cell phones, and while banning cell phone usage while driving may placate the public screaming for action, it may also be that those same people who would distract themselves using a cell phone may find something else to take its place. -Steve Actually, the DOT did a study of accidents caused by distracted drivers a few years ago. About 80% were caused by distractions outside the car (billboards, that woman walking down the street, etc.). Of the 20% caused by distractions inside the car, the top two were eating in the car and adjusting the car stereo. Cell phones were responsible for just over 10% the number of accidents caused by eating while driving. If we're enacting laws, lets start with McDonald's drive-thrus and car stereos. Brian BRIAN THOMAS - Original Message - From: Larry Foran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cell phones and safety Kim, I continue to be amazed by the disregard for others demonstrated by most drivers. I commute 30 miles to and from work each day. I see people reading books, talking on phones, and/or putting on makeup while driving. Our society seems to think that multi-taksing extends into their driving time. Talking on the phone take more attention than having a conversation with another passenger, but people still do not seem to care. I can see that laws similar to drunk driving laws will need to be enacted before people understand the gravity of their actions. Larry On 5/6/05, Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Friends, I find myself in need of doing a little preaching today. Sorry, but for me, this is the best way I can deal with the horror of last night. Last night a young women of 21 or so was driving down the highway talking on her cell phone and definitely driving with no care and attention to what she was doing. I guess she thought that by staying mostly on the shoulder, it was safe to drive and talk. Then she dropped her cell phone and reached for it. A man, barely 10 years her senior who was riding his bicycle, died because of her actions. Her life will never be the same, either. As for me, I can not work to erase the memory of what I saw until he has had his day in court. Please, turn your cell phones off while driving. It was not just that she dropped that cell phone. She did not see the cyclist, because she was distracted by her conversation. He was plainly visible long before he was hit, I know, I watched the accident about to happen and it did. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear Waste Of Time
An interesting thread. Maybe I can offer a perspective on this. I've spent many years in the Foreign Service, having lived in many places overseas, including Africa and Europe. I've seen America from the inside-out and outside-in. My observation is that the problem isn't that Americans aren't conservation-conscious or that Americans or American companies have a penchant for destroying the planet. The problem is that American society has developed, more by default rather than by deliberate design, an appetite for energy consumption. For example, almost without exception every place I've live abroad you don't need a car to go to the grocery store -- or if you do, you don't have to go very far. In the United States, unless you live in an intensely urban area, the necessities of life are spread out by many miles. We think nothing of getting in the car and driving 10 miles to the grocery store, and we're so used to it that many Americans can't imagine what it must be like to just walk down the street for the same thing. That's just one example, but what I'm trying to say is that America tends to give off an impression of being excessive and wasteful, but the truth of the matter is that while we are excessive by much of the rest of the world's standards, it isn't because Americans want to be that way, it's because that's all we know. Furthermore, I think perspective helps sometimes -- if you want to see REAL waste and ecologic corruption, go to Africa. I lived in Africa for over four years, and the level of ecological destruction that goes on over there makes Americans look like conservationist saints. For me, anyway, I intend to do everything I can to make a difference. My next house will have a rainwater harvesting system, solar hot water, and ground-source heat pump. I joined this list so I could learn how to produce my own biodiesel, so I can power my vehicles without burning up fossil fuels. -Steve Let's unravel. Climate change is only one of four interconnected and massive problems facing the planet. If the only issue we were worried about was climate change, maybe it would be worth considering nuclear power. But the problem is much bigger. The problem is embedded in the inefficiency and overconsumption built into the American economy, and by extension, the rest of the developed world. The pathway toward a sustainable future lies in the developed world becoming more energy efficient, while the developing world leapfrogs over the excesses of our present economic order. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear Waste Of Time
So true! But for this to work well enough to make a difference, significant changes would have to be made to the system of distribution of goods and services in the United States. Efficient rail transport in the United States, similar to what you might find in Europe, only works if the transport goes where people need to go, and if it is cost-effective. In Europe, the rail systems are heavily subsidized by the government, and the government in turn heavily taxes its citizens. Take the Netherlands, for example -- they have a fantastic public transportation system that can take you just about anywhere you need to go, and it's affordable. However, the country is already designed for such a system (stores are close to the city centers, and the cities are heavily populated), and the people pay so much in taxes (75% for some!) that tax evasion is a national sport. I'm not saying that it won't work in America, but I'm saying that it will work only in isolated areas or new developments built for such a thing from the ground-up. It may be idealistic to imagine well-designed communities in the U.S., but the realistic viewpoint is that this doesn't exist and probably won't for the forseeable future. I believe the answer is for us to find alternative sources of energy that are cheap enough that the average person will be interested. -Steve ...much of the inefficiency within the American energy grid is from transmission losses. Instead of nuclear, we need to invest in clean micro-generation of renewable energy distributed throughout well-designed communities that encourage light rail over cars. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] home made fuel cell and other interesting pdf links
I am new to this site and have been following and trying to find some info for a few weeks. I guess I will just ask. I have a large farm and a large source of corn and soybeans from farming. I am very interested in knowing if there is an economical way I can either make my own biodiesel or ethanol for my tractors and/or trucks for my own use and possible sell excess. Is this a process that would save me $$? Corn and soy prices are very low so I am losing money growing them. Poor dirt farmer in PA, Steve Hess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alt.EnergyNetwork Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 6:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] home made fuel cell and other interesting pdf links Hi all, Just added some new pdf files on how to make a home made fuel cell, peak oil, hydrogen and future transportation tech. You can find them here. regards tallex http://www.alternate-energy.net/pdf03.html Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] On-farm biodiesel or ethanol - was RE: home made fuelcell etc
Keith, Thanks for the info. However, I am a poor farmer not a dumb one. I do have a major variety of crops and corn is a rotation crop. There is not many alternatives to rotation crops. When I count my time and fuel costs I may make a few pennies on the corn but what I would like to do is at least save several dollars instead by making my own fuel. I looked over the list of oil producing seeds. The top 8 (some I never heard of) I do not think can be grown in PA. I also have to look at the feasibility of getting the seed out of the plant. I grow about 700 acres of pumpkins. Pumpkin seeds have 2x the oil as corn. The only way I know of to get pumpkin seeds out of a pumpkin is to carve it open and scoop the out. That is alot of carving and scooping. Does anyone know what is the best oil producing seed that can still be grown in PA? Also - Is corn the best product to use to make Ethanol? Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Keith Addison Sent: Fri 4/22/2005 11:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [Biofuel] On-farm biodiesel or ethanol - was RE: home made fuelcell etc Hello Steve I am new to this site and have been following and trying to find some info for a few weeks. I guess I will just ask. Did you try these? At the end of every message: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Plenty of information for you there. I have a large farm and a large source of corn and soybeans from farming. Not exactly the best energy crops. There's starch and oil in corn (maize) but a lot more of both in other crops. Soy isn't an efficient source of oil unless you extract it with hexane, simple pressing won't do much for you, and soy oil isn't the best feedstock for biodiesel anyway (semi-drying oil). On an integrated mixed farm you should be able to produce enough energy to run the farm and more besides from an ever-changing assortment of by-products, so it's more or less free. But if you're growing corn and soy that you're losing money on you're not doing integrated mixed farming anyway, and it's doubtful that you'd get more biofuel out of it than the fossil-fuel inputs you're putting into it. I am very interested in knowing if there is an economical way I can either make my own biodiesel or ethanol for my tractors and/or trucks for my own use and possible sell excess. Shouldn't be a problem, if you select better energy crops to grow. There's a very large choice, much detail to be found in the list archives and the Biofuels section of Journey to Forever, and in the online Biofuels library. Is this a process that would save me $$? Definitely, if you did it right. Corn and soy prices are very low so I am losing money growing them. Grow something else then. Best wishes Keith Poor dirt farmer in PA, Steve Hess snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Acetone in fuel increases mileage by 15 -35%
I doubt the independent retailers know about, or care about fuel efficiency steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Acetone in fuel increases mileage by 15 -35% there are a lot of independent retailers out there who would love to sell more gas if they could advertise it as providing 30 % better mileage. They could even a couple of cents to the price and be ahead on cost/distance. enny Dunn wrote: Except that the petro industry doesn't really have any interest in you getting better mileage. They certainly aren't telling us any ways to send them less money. $.02, Ken Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You're making sense Bob. bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if it really worked, which I highly doubt, don't you think somebody would be blending and selling the mix already? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] soap, glycerine by-product and how my farm is
Rob I have a very damp basement and would be interested in your plans for the dehumidifier. Steve Hess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Garth Travis Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] soap, glycerine by-product and how my farm is Greetings Rob, Rob wrote: Would you like plans for a VERY cheap dehumidifier (probably less than $20) that can take out over a gallon of water a day (depending on humidity) ?? I would very much like the plans. How much energy does it use? We do have an electric humidifyer, but it sucks powers like an AC unit. Necessary to use, at times, but I hate plugging the darn thing in. Incidently we are having an underground (Earth Sheltered) house built, and below 4' the tempreture is around 50 oF (coldest)in Winter and 64 oF (warmest) in summer, so maybe even a Storm Cellar type structure built into the ground may work. Must be nice. With our heavy clay, heavy rains and flat land that is slightly lower than all our neighbors, this is not a good idea. Rob Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
Thank you for your kind words, Keith. That is exactly what I was talking about. Disagree with your politics, and you attack the person. enough vitriole, I'm out of here. ---Original Message--- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry Sent: Oct 21 2004 16:49:37 Steve It would take too long to go over all the posts that really blow it. There are so many of them. I'm going to stick with biofuels and related topics, and leave it to the rest of you muckrakers. I'm not the one who stirs stuff up, but I sure get beat over the head when I ocassionaly object to the stirring that goes on. You sure like it one sided. No, you do. You fling charges and claims about that you don't substantiate, when asked to substantiate them you obfuscate. Reason: no substance. You've done that here before. This is the truth of it: In Steve Spence's opinion, there have been half truths and hateful misinformationÊÊspread on this list, where many members are not only anti-Bush but anti-American, but since, not for the first time, he's unable to provide any substance for this nor any instances of it when challenged to do so, it's just an empty opinion, based simply on Steve's inability to counter views he disagrees with and objects to. Keith = = = Original message = = = There you go again Steve. (Ronald Reagan, nationally televised debate with President Carter.) You know, for a guy that doesn't have enough time to address what he stirs up, you sure do like to keep that ladle moving. Please, would you do everyone a very big service and point to the half-truths (plural) and misinformation that you are eluding to? And when you've addressed those claims, please be so kind as to zero in on what aspects are hateful. I would think that if you take such great acception with what others state that you would redress those statements specifically and steer clear of overly broad and sweeping generalizations. But then again, that type of evasiveness does serve it's purpose, doesn't it? Nothing wrong with a differing in beliefs. But it would be rather nice to see you put some substantiation in print. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry I did not imply that being anti-bush is being anti-american. But we have many on this list that are both. I don't believe I'm required to listen to one side, without speaking up for the other side once in a great while. Especially when I see half truths and hateful misinformation being spread. 99% of my posts are of biofuel, or alternative living content. Many here post mostly political rhetoric, and although it's allowed, it does say something about that person. On that note, I have an busted inverter to repair, or we are on candle light tonight. I'm sure I'm going to get an inbox full of response that I won't feel like reading when I have more ontopic things to work on. = = = Original message = = = Steve, You have been so long on the list, that you know that the Americans are an minority. If you looked at the latest international polls, the international communities are quite ant-Bush. To say that if you are anti-Bush, you are anti-American, is a dirty blow and way under the belt and it is nothing that suggest or support such a statement. You must have a fairly low opinion of foreigners mental capacity, if you belive that we cannot keep our opinions about US administration policies and Americans in general apart. It is you who connects them. Hakan At 04:30 PM 10/21/2004, you wrote: you missed Republicans don't let their kids watch Nickelodeon, they have more sense than that ;-) which skews the polls to primarily democrats. I can't prove that claim, but it sounds good. That channel (among others) will turn there minds to mush. My kids prefer the wings channel, wich I bet would have given completely different results. Sorry to see after three years, you still feel it's necesary to attack and drive away those with opposing (not necessarily wrong) viewpoints. somebody had to speak up, or folks will think this is the anti-bush, anti-american list, not the biofuel list. = = = Original message = = = Me thinks you missed the point Steve. When you say Of course they believe whatever their parents do at that age
[Biofuel] Appeal to Engineers
Appeal to Engineers - by V.K.DESAI We are living in the era of engineers. Progress of science and technology has created innumerable amenities for happy life. Much of the comfort and luxuries created by industrial progress is due to the dedicated efforts of thousand of engineers, technologist and scientist. Hence, there is no exaggeration in saying that we are living in the era of engineers of which Africa will come out as the strongest continent. But the industrial development as seen today is not so innocent. It has its black side also. Present industrial progress is associated with exploitation, disparity, unemployment, poverty, centralization, urbanization, pollution and wars also. Moreover, it makes our life more and more complex which gives rise to tension in our routine life. In fact, it encourages materialism and greed for luxurious life at any cost. So if we assess the industrial progress in totality, we have to come to the conclusion that its debit side far outweighs its credit side. This is particularly true for a country like India. Since centuries, we had the most scientific and well organized economic structure based on self reliant villages. Crores of people were living their simple life peacefully in villages. Most of the people had their own occupation. We have damaged this sound structure heavily in the name of industrialization. We have disturbed entire village lifestyle by exploiting masses by breaking their occupations and by concentrating wealth into handful of industrialists. This has created unemployment, poverty and disparity. At present our 50 crores of villagers are living miserable life worse than animals . They are so unfortunate that they have to sleep with their hungry stomach every day. They are victims of our so-called industrial development. I feel that real reason of undesirable consequences of industrial progress is because engineers are helpless to work for greed of money. We give more importance to our salaries and to our prospects for our personal happiness than to consider the impact of our work on society. I admit that after putting in hard labour for years together to achieve degree of engineering, we have right to expect something which may provide us comfortable life. But I have painfully observed that matter does not end there. Every type of greed has no end. Once engineer gets comfortable life, he expects more and more comfort and luxuries. We engineers, never think of the result of our work on society. We conveniently ignore the consequences of the industrial progress which we are making even after knowing that our efforts to manufacture certain machinery or goods or services will result in increasing exploitation, unemployment and poverty of masses. We are not paying any attention towards it. We are not accepting any responsibility of increasing evils of the industrial development. This leads to the conclusion to me that we are selfish for our own comfortable and luxurious life. To accomplish it, we are dedicating our entire intelligence and perseverance to foster the centralized industrial structure, sole purpose of which is to make profit by exploiting masses without any consideration of morality. In this way we are cooperating in the advancement or evils in the society. It is really deplorable that not a few engineers are found who will deny to work where their work is ultimately going to result into evident exploitation of masses. We must ponder over this horrible situation. We must try to find out why industrial progress results into horrible disparity giving handful of people too much luxuries and to millions of people only miseries. We must try to find out why the centralization of wealth and power takes place due to industrial progress. But I know that many engineers are not satisfied with their jobs. They know that their hard labour put for earning their livelihood results into the exploitation of masses. So they have discontent for their work. They feel pity for masses. They have sympathy for them. But they feel themselves helpless in the matter. They do not find any alternative. They desire to come out of the present situation. But they do not know how to do it. They feel some vacuum in their life. They feel lack of morality in their work. Hence, their conscience always rebel against their job. They are eager to help the poor people either by changing their job or by starting their own business. But they do not know how to do it. I have to specially appeal to such engineers. There are hundreds of scopes in the present day society for earning your livelihood and helping the poor people. These vast scopes are in villages. Although our decentralized rural economic structure has been severely damaged, it is not completely ruined. It is still living. It is repairable. I am optimistic that if thousands of Engineers pay enough attention to the real needs of villages and they vow to work for villages, within two decades only, entire village based
Re: [Biofuel] [Biofuels] Hydrogen or Biofuels?
Morris is right, Lovins has soot in his eyes. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [Biofuels] Hydrogen or Biofuels? Good one! Jonathan MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hydrogen or Biofuels? September / October 2004 By Amory Lovins and David Morris Utne magazine http://www.utne.com/cgi-bin/udt/im.display.printable?client.id=utnestory.id=11334 Two experts go head-to-head on the future of energy In our January-February 2004 issue, we reprinted from Alternet an essay by local-economy advocate David Morris, vice president of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance, in which he takes aim at the advocates of a hydrogen-based economy, asserting, among other things, that because large energy interests are poised to dominate the process of generating hydrogen from substances like gas, oil, and coal, the push to hydrogen will actually be a setback for renewable energy from wind power, biomass, and other sources. Energy analyst Amory B. Lovins, CEO of the Rocky Mountain Institute in Snowmass, Colorado, and a prominent advocate of hydrogen fuel cell technology, responds. FROM AMORY LOVINS In voicing skepticism about the role of hydrogen in our energy future, my valued friend David Morris makes several points: He is understandably frustrated that hydrogen will initially be made mainly from natural gas, as 96 percent of U.S. hydrogen is now. But he wrongly thinks this will waste energy and increase carbon dioxide emissions. Because fuel cells are two to three times more efficient than gasoline engines, CO2 per mile will actually drop by 40 to 67 percent compared with today's gasoline cars -- and much more with efficient car designs. He's irritated that nuclear advocates claim they'll be the hydrogen producers. But they won't be -- their option costs far too much. He's worried that hydrogen might come from coal. This is a real possibility later, but by then we will have good ways to keep the carbon out of the air. Because General Motors likes fuel cells, he assumes that car and oil companies are preparing for an oil-based hydrogen future. Generally, they're not. He thinks hydrogen will be too costly to distribute. Wrong -- the Swiss study he cites [which claimed that the compacting of this very light and diffuse element for storage and transport is too costly and energy-intensive] considered only the clearly uneconomic options and ignored hydrogen's advantage of more efficient use. He thinks a hydrogen transition will need hundreds of billions of dollars of new infrastructure. This is a vast overestimate. He doesn't recognize hydrogen's important potential to accelerate the adoption of renewable energy. Many environmentalists suspect the Bush administration's enthusiasm for hydrogen serves mainly to distract attention from the short-term energy steps they're unwilling to take. It's impossible to tell from the outside whether that's true or not, but if it is, this self-inflicted wound is not a reason to reject a sound hydrogen transition as a complementary part of a broader energy strategy starting with aggressive efficiency, renewable energy, and distributed resources. Many other good and usually well-informed people have written similar critiques of hydrogen. A well-documented response, Twenty Hydrogen Myths, is free at http://www.rmi.org FROM DAVID MORRIS My esteemed colleague Amory Lovins and I agree and disagree. We both focus on the transportation sector. We both favor a dramatic improvement in vehicle efficiency and the replacement of gasoline with a domestically produced, environmentally benign fuel. We disagree on how to achieve these objectives. Amory advocates fuel cell vehicles that run on hydrogen. I propose hybrid electric vehicles fueled by electricity and biofuels like ethanol. I believe my strategy is far cheaper and far quicker to implement than Amory's. Hybrid vehicles, which use electric motors as well as an engine for power, are commercially available. They already achieve fuel efficiencies as great as those promised by fuel cell cars. With modest modifications, hybrids can be made to plug into the electric grid to charge their batteries. That allows electricity to become their primary fuel and reduces by some 85 percent the amount of fuel needed by the engine. In turn, this allows us to think of biofuels like ethanol as replacements for gasoline rather than, as now, simply additives to it. Unlike hydrogen, ethanol is already widely available. Ethanol is half the price of hydrogen today and may have a still lower price a decade from now. Cars that operate on either ethanol or gasoline -- or any combination of the two -- can be made at an additional cost of $150 per vehicle. More than 4 million are on the road right now. The most optimistic
Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives
I drive 50 miles to work each way. We are 15 miles from the nearest grocery store/shopping center, 5 miles from the nearest gas station. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:58 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives Thanks Ramon. British wet and cold weather must be considered as a factor, as must road salt. The % of hot/cold running should also be considered. Many car users in this country may use their car for frequent short journeys of say 5miles or less with the rresult that some cars may seldom be driven, or attain 'mileage' whilst at designed operating temperature. Avrage annual miles in the UK is approx 10,000 . What is avge inthe USA? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ramon Mendoza Sent: 12 October 2004 01:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives I have a 91 Acura Integra, 226k miles, original muffler and tailpipe. Replaced the catalytic converter 2 yrs ago. But then this is a Southern Cali car that I've owned since '94- it had about 45,000 when I got her - haven't had to deal with a lot of ice, sleet, snow and salt on the roads, that's for sure. Ramon --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a Nissan Sentyra 1987 with over 160,000K on it with the original muffler. Only part that went south was the locking flange at the manifold ($26.00). Luc - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives
Irish Mile = 2048 meters. mile (mi) a traditional unit of distance. The word comes from the Latin word for 1000, mille, because originally a mile was the distance a Roman legion could march in 1000 paces (or 2000 steps, a pace being the distance between successive falls of the same foot). There is some uncertainty about the length of the Roman mile. Based on the Roman foot of 29.6 centimeters and assuming a standard pace of 5 Roman feet, the Roman mile would have been 1480 meters (4856 feet); however, the measured distance between surviving milestones of Roman roads is often closer to 1520 meters or 5000 feet. In any case, miles of similar lengths were used throughout Western Europe. In medieval Britain, several mile units were used, including a mile of 5000 feet (1524 meters), the modern mile defined as 8 furlongs (1609 meters), and a longer mile similar to the French mille (1949 meters), plus the Scottish mile (1814 meters) and the Irish mile (2048 meters). In 1592 the British Parliament settled the question by defining the statute mile to be 8 furlongs, 80 chains, 320 rods, 1760 yards or 5280 feet. The statute mile is exactly 1609.344 meters. In athletics, races of 1500 or 1600 meters are often called metric miles. http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/61126.html Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:29 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives I too checked conversion tables and found it was not listed, so presumed the same. In any case it still seems that US exhausts last much longer than ULK counterparts. Now, just to confuse, what's a Irish mile? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 October 2004 00:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives I don't think there is such a thing as a U.S. mile. Back in the 1950's my high school teacher told us that the U.S. and Britain had agreed to compromise on the Canadian definition of the inch as *exactly* 2.540 centimetres. So as far as the mile goes we're all on the same page: 12 inches to the foot, 5280 feet to the mile, and the inches are the same. I imagine the writer was thinking of U.S. gallons and got confused. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Donald Allwright wrote: What exactly is a US mile??? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will either escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Following another post (no subject) it could be that I have this all wrong and that there is air trapped inside the injectors somewhere, although I don't think so as I bled out the system with brand new filters, so, by default, the problem is at the tank end (maybe?). I shall soon see as I am having a Mercedes mechanic give it the twice over to determine EXACTLY what the boo boo is, and I shall be posting the results. I share you latitude thing (not quite as north as Edmonton)although no snow quite yet we did hit the freezing mark a couple of times so far and it is all down hill from here. **snow is a four letter word** Anyway, stay tuned. As far as the changing os the filters goes, the information on JtF states that after a couple of tank fulls of B100 to expect to have to change them, and that would be about right for me as I have run several tank fulls. although having a can type secondary filter it takes longer to fill up than the straight in-line type, so I was under the impression that that was the problem so I changed the secondary as the primary did not seem clogged (I put air to it in reverse and got nothing but clean fuel). However, I still want to change the lines and flush the tank out regardless, as I am sure nothing like this has ever been done in the Benz's 21 years of life, so a good enema is overdue. Luc - Original Message - From: Joey Hundert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Dear Luc, The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very much. I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!). Therefore, I have every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that you've had. What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude (Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th). I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second tank is slated for install over the next couple of weeks. In that the old fuel filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be advisable to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank with new fuel lines until the summer? Thanks everyone, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Campbell Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this problem? I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25, etc.? I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and that has to be done before registration so my time is limited. I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my stranded on my way to work. --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't plugged. = = = Original message = = = Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
Government Hydrogen programs are designed to keep oil companies happy, since that is the source of all commercial hydrogen. Anything can look economical if enough tax subsidies are thrown at it. Business as usual. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen Hey man If you can get it to work Then you will be Okay! I would not worry about Mr. Bush anyway! Jonathan MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone how this would effect hydrogen in Mr. Bush's FreedomCAR program? Steve Spence wrote: Hydrogen isn't, and won't be anything that will help us save our Earth. That's the whole point these folks are missing. It's not that it can't be done, it's that it shouldn't be done, since they are throwing away a majority of the energy they are producing, and renewables are typically much higher priced, so you want to be as stingy as possible. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system that can generate 30 miles per day of hydrogen. It's more than you will pay in fuel taxes in your lifetime. EV's, Biodiesel, ethanol, and bio-methane are much more practical, and also tax free. You won't be able to make hydrogen at home, and use it in your car, without a monumental upfront system cost. Much more than you would pay for a VW Diesel, and a lifetime's supply of biodiesel to run it. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen YES!!! You said my favorite word in the World! TAX-FREE People here in the US need to take note! Jonathan Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:25 PM 10/11/04 -0400, you wrote: Did you consider how many kWh it would have taken for that 30 miles on hydrogen, then compared how many miles that amount of kWh would have taken you on a pure EV? More than 60 miles .. But a vehicle with a range of 60 miles is of less utility to me than one which can do 30 miles on home-produced, tax-free H2, and then make it home on commercial fuel. Note that when I say tax-free I'm thinking more about the taxes I have to pay on income (fed, state, unemp, socsec, etc.) than just road taxes. You're right that there are hidden costs in producing one's one fuel, but there are also a lot of hidden cost involved in working for a paycheck and then using net income to buy fuel. Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
If the UN makes a resolution that is not in the best interests of a particular country, then ignoring it seems like a very good idea, IF you have the muscle to repel boarders . The UN made resolutions that clearly were not in Iraq's best interest, but they failed to repel boarders. What is in the best interest of one country, very often is not in the best interest of others. Depends on your POV, and your appetite. One hopes that a country thinks of others as well as themselves. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Israel also has ignored many more UN resolutions than Iraq ever did. This is true despite the fact that the US usually vetos most resolutions concerning Israel. Ken --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that DOES possess WMD's, nuclear as well as chem weapons of mass destruction. They have reperetedly refused the UN inspection passage and thier Dimona nuke plank is leaking like a sieve. Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing, but good thing Congress keeps taking money from AIPAC, the center of the new spy scandal, to ensure that the US continues to veto any action that might paint Israel is it's true light. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Source: Al Jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C117F99-C20E-4738-A15B- 0BF683A1B21B.htm US to sell Israel 5000 smart bombs Israel has used US-made bombs to kill several Palestinians The United States will reportedly sell Israel nearly 5000 smart bombs in one of the largest weapons deals between the allies in years. The deal could face political controversy since Israel has used such bombs against the Palestinians. In one such instance in July 2002, a one-tonne bomb meant for a senior Palestinian resistance fighter also killed 15 civilians in an attack in the Gaza Strip. The deal is worth $319 million and was revealed in a Pentagon report made to the US Congress a few weeks ago, Israeli daily Haaretz said on Tuesday. Funding for the sale will come from US military aid to Israel. The bombs include airborne versions, guidance units, training bombs and detonators. These bombs are guided by an existing Israeli satellite used by the military. As part of the deal, Israel will receive 500 one-tonne bunker-buster bombs that can destroy 2m-thick concrete walls, 2500 regular one-tonne bombs, 1000 half-tonne bombs and 500 quarter-tonne bombs, the daily said. Bunker bombs Known by the military designations GBU-27 or GBU-28, bunker busters are guided by lasers or satellites and can penetrate up to 10 metres of earth and concrete. Israel may already have some of the bombs for its F-15 fighter jets, the paper reported. As they are part of the weapon set for the F-15, I would assume them to be in place, said Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons. Acquiring BLU-109s, which are mounted on satellite-guided bombs, would boost Israel 's capabilities, foreign experts say. Israel very likely manufactures its own bunker busters, but they are not as robust as the 2000lb ( 910kg ) BLUs, Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, said. He said the bombs proved effective in the 1991 Gulf war and the more recent US-led invasion of Iraq . The US embassy in Israel had no comment, referring queries to Washington .Israel 's Defence Ministry also declined to comment. The Pentagon wants the deal to maintain Israel's military advantages and ensure US strategic and tactical interests, Haaretz said. Bombs for neighbours? Haaretz said Israel sought to obtain the US-made, one-tonne bunker-buster bombs for a possible future strike against Iran or Syria . A senior Israeli security source confirmed the Haaretz story saying: ... bunker busters could serve Israel against Iran , or possibly Syria . Our response to any invasive measure will be massive, Massoud Jazairi, spokesman for Iran 's Revolutionary Guard, said in Tehran . Iran , which does not recognise Israel 's right to exist, says its nuclear
Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!
engine coolant will heat DHW though a heat exchanger. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Are you just generating electricity or are you co-generating, using the waste heat from your diesel engine to heat your house getting more bang for the buck and saving even more energy. I don't know why more residential or commercial co-generation plants aren't used, especially in the northern climes. Ken --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Sorta Tonight we fired up on 50/50 Kerosene and Waste Vegetable Oil. The Detroit Diesel is loving the mix and is purring like a kitten! Smells sweet. The details of our oil filtration system are coming shortly. Tomorrow the heat exchanger gets installed in the Veggie tank for V100 (100% Veggie). We also hope to get the muffler installed . See the full article at http://www.green-trust.org/wiki/index.php?title=Green-Trust_Heat_% 26_Power_System http://tinyurl.com/52a4v www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
stumbling, air blockage, rough running, and stalling. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 What would happen if the return line was plugged and fuel could not get through ( or very little of it )? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:38 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will either escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
It's the one coming out of the banjo bolt on top of the filter that heads back to the fuel tank. There are two others on top also, coming from the injectors. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't plugged. = = = Original message = = = Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at the other end. Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel? Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Walt, If I charge an EV from my solar panels, I can go twice as far than If I used that electric to electrolyze hydrogen, compress it, and burn it in a fuel cell. Not to mention the costs involved with the electrolyzer, the compressor, and the fuel cell far outweigh the cost of an EV. Now why would I be so foolish to throw away my expensive and high quality PV electric in such a manner? Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen At 09:56 AM 10/12/04 -0400, Steve wrote: Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system that can generate 30 miles per day of hydrogen. It's more than you will pay in fuel taxes in your lifetime. You're probably right, but so what? Everyone's situation is different, and therefore their options will differ as well. Our situation is such that we're not constrained by the economics that rule corporate research. Corporations have to pay rent for the land they use; we've got our 130 acre campus, and the building's we've built there, and eleven septic systems, and more than a mile of underground water lines, and so on all owned outright, so we don't have to figure those costs in our systems. And we don't have shareholders who expect a monetary return on that investment. What they do expect is that we'll use these resources to explore ways that sustainable energy can be made relevant to community-based systems. Corporations have to pay hefty salaries to get engineers to design and build their systems; we're a team of retired/laid-off engineers who live here and do these things because they're fun and need doing, so we don't have to figure those personnel costs in either. Corporations have to hire welders, machinists and electricians to set up their systems; we have our own machine shop with six different types of welders, an induction foundry that can handle 200 pound castings, our own saw mill (and our own trees for that matter), and on and on . . . Are we a bunch of amateur tinkers? You bet, we are. We do this because we love the concepts, are fascinated by the technology and committed to finding ways to weave a renewable matrix that will provide a quality life. It's sort of like the need to distinguish between what one's going to have for dinner, and how one is going to manage their diet. You can get a McDonald's double-cheese burger for a buck a piece every day of the week, so why endure all the upfront cost involved in building a kitchen and learning to cook? Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Miles driven ( was fuel additives )
My circulating tank heaters pull 1kw (there are 500 and 800 watt models). My fuel filter pad heaters pull 68 watts. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:05 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Miles driven ( was fuel additives ) It has been getting cooler here and we have some nights down in the 60's I have noticed the 6.2 Blazer getting a good bit harder to start, and I am having to hold the glow plug relay in about a full minute. All summer it only took about 15 to 30 seconds. This morning I had to do it twice. It looks like I may start plugging it in soon to keep it warm. Anybody have an idea of how many watts these block heaters pull? Wondering if it might be better to put it on a timer that goes off right before daylight? Then it warms in an hour or two.? mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 10/5/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!
Yes, that's me. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Congratulations! was that you in the picture sitting on the engine? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Spence Sent: 12 October 2004 15:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie! engine coolant will heat DHW though a heat exchanger. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Are you just generating electricity or are you co-generating, using the waste heat from your diesel engine to heat your house getting more bang for the buck and saving even more energy. I don't know why more residential or commercial co-generation plants aren't used, especially in the northern climes. Ken --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Sorta Tonight we fired up on 50/50 Kerosene and Waste Vegetable Oil. The Detroit Diesel is loving the mix and is purring like a kitten! Smells sweet. The details of our oil filtration system are coming shortly. Tomorrow the heat exchanger gets installed in the Veggie tank for V100 (100% Veggie). We also hope to get the muffler installed . See the full article at http://www.green-trust.org/wiki/index.php?title=Green-Trust_Heat_% 26_Power_System http://tinyurl.com/52a4v www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 Cleaning action
We often get filter clogs the first time bio-d is used, which is why we install a sacrificial filter for the first few tank fills. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: [Biofuel] B100 Cleaning action Does anyone have any clear information on fuel tanks being affected in the use of B100, as in any documented experiences where the BD has dislodged residues which has resulted in a clogging of tank or fuel filters ? Thanks. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel?
Just about anything in the usa is legal, except distilling drinkable spirits. That you need a permit for. homemade fuels for personal use have very few restrictions. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel? Dear pals: some one wrote that he added white spirit to the Biodiesel in order to keep clean the fuel system... since white spirit is made of light aromatics (CAS N¼ 647 42-95-6) I wonder if it is legal in USA such Biodiesel/white spirit blend. It is very important to clarify this matter. Thaks, F. - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anamaria [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Antonio Moroc [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Javier Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mara Gabriela Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Oslo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Barboza [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Duilia Tovar [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jorge [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Pilar Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel? Also has anyone created a file of biofuels rules and regulations? We all need help. I appreciate those who offered help in understanding their US state's concerns. We should also include other parts of the world. Peggy Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel? Dear pals: is there any one who knows the international customs code number that covers Biodiesel as a matter of import-export?. Are there special regulations for transportation BD by air, road or seaship? Just in case I require to get some samples BD-100, BD-20 from overseas to compare with mine. Tks. F. - Original Message - From: Saul Juliao [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel? Hi Ron, I live in Canada... I don't know if MF ok's it but I use Bio-diesel in my old MF165 which has a Perkins 4 cylinder engine in it. I have had no problems with it since I started making Bio-diesel going back to April. Saul A. Juliao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I was looking at the Massey Ferguson web site and was wondering if anyone has run across the company saying it is alright for burning biodiesel in their equipment? Though MF is part of a larger company based in the US, I believe...the tractors are manufactured in Canada, correct? Would anyone living in Canada (the USA's best friend, I might add) know if MF tractors can burn biodiesl (OK'd by the manufacturer)? Thanks, Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
in a word, NO. Say goodbye to your injectors and pump. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol Any diesel engine will run on kerosene. Now that diesel is $2.15 per gallon in the US I'm running kerosene in my Jetta diesel. $1.59 per gallon. It's illegal but I don't really care about that. --- Gasman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Phil, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol Hello Phil Hello all! Is there anyone out there who has tried running a petrol motor on paraffin? I know the timing needs retarding and that performance is terrible, but here in Africa, the fuel is very, very cheap. I'm told it's done in Sri Lanka, probably in other countries. Maybe they start up on petrol (gasoline) (in America they haven't spoken it for years), but anyway they run a paraffin (kerosene) fuel line round the exhaust manifold to heat it up first. I think that means hot, not just warm. I guess they know just how to do it, and how not to do it too - probably not something to chuck guesses at. We used to have many such engines in India called kero engines which were fitted to motorbikes, mainly because of subsidised kerosene. One peculiarity I noticed was that the engine continued to fire slowly and intermitently long after the ignition was switched off. No, you certainly didn't ever hear such a thing from me, definitely not, no. What are the environmental implications of burning the stuff and implications for engine life? Dire, probably, on both counts. Best wishes Keith Phil Rendel English Department Kingswood College, Burton Street, Grahamstown tel. 046 603 6600 fax. 046 622 3084 cell: 084 448 1052 snip Regards balaji Hello Phil! If you wish, and Keith allows us to talk in depth about how to arrange a petrol (gasoline) motor to work smoothly on motor paraffin (kerosene), I can offer you my experience of 13 years and over 100.000 km with two of my cars. Both driven by motorpetroleum and waterinjection (actually suctioned by the motor itself, the same way as the fuel). Max Gasman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
from svo, or wvo? Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Ok. Let's leave the same proposition out there. Creating electricity from svo is a monumental waste of energy. On Oct 8, 2004, at 2:54 PM, Robert Del Bueno wrote: I never intended the use of biodiesel. The idea is for reclaimed waste vegetable oils. I am curious on if anyone has given thought to the emissions per kWh of such a setup versus coal fired plant (...who in our area are successful in avoiding EPA New Source Review regulations, and continue to spew). Also considering the addition of a pre-combustion fuel catalyst, and additional after treament (because of dedicated veg use). At 01:28 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: Lyle, Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in energy from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient? That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service to you. You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however. Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most part are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy inputs by making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Gang, I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on grid. On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point there. You're also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal of engine mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the whole roost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I could do well. Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water for heating applications. I have a steady supply of good SVO. And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable. I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, but will be applicable for future
Re: [Biofuel] HELP
yep, that was my exceptions remark. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] HELP Hi Steve, While you can't use 100% Biodiesel in a gasoline engine, you can mix it up to a maximum of 15% with the gas. It works great in lawn mower / lawn tractor engines as well. Same maximum percentage. Sincerely Gregg Davidson Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The KB (solvent strength) of biodiesel is similar to #2 diesel. Biodiesel smells like French fries, sorta. No, you can't use Biodiesel in a petrol car (stock answer, exceptions rule). Steve Spence www.green-trust.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chih chou Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] HELP DEAR SIR HERE I AM ASKING FOR HELP. 1, WHAT IS THE KB VALUE OF BIO-DIESEL? 2, WHAT IS BIO-DIESEL SMELL LIKE? 3,IF WE MIXED THE BIO-DIESEL WITH UNLEAD PETRO CAN THIS MIXTURE BE USING IN ORDINARY PERTOL ENGINE CAR? THANKS FOR ANYONE CAN ANSWER MY QUESTION BEST REGARDS GORVANS -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default .asp?SRC=lycos10 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
don't get caught with red diesel in your tank. passenger vehicles don't usually get checked, though my buddy, Eddie, did with his diesel suburban. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol Nothing says you couldn't do such, one thing to remember that the main difference is the additives, and that the slower running the Diesel engine is, the heavier the hydrocarbons ( and lower the cetane value of fuel ) that can be used, without to much problems.In theory, you could design a engine that ran on heavy crude oil, but, it would need to be a slow running engine. Diesel engines that run at higher RPMs, and Diesel engines that do a lot of speed changes ( low RPM / high RPM / low RPM / and high again, such as you find with around town driving ) needs a lighter hydrocarbon, and a higher cetane value for better performance.In theory a cetane value of about 45-50 is best for in city driving, although 40 would be fine for long distance hwy driving, 35 should be fine for a farm tractor and oil furnace use. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 15:52 Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol When I lived in Montana the local fuel supplier filled your winter tractor fuel tank and the oil stove tank from the same tank truck load. It was dyed red to stop its use on the highway. Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
My Detroit Diesel is rated for 40k hours between rebuilds. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I could do well. Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water for heating applications. I have a steady supply of good SVO. And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable. I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, but will be applicable for future solar pv use as well. What is the flaw I am missing? -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
I suspect that expecting a fuel additive to double the life of an engine is not such a good idea. Steve Spence IT Specialist [EMAIL PROTECTED] (315) 393-3573 x.242 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnston, Don Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset I suspect and believe that one could double that to 40,000 hours with kd420, 0R ep4 combustion enhancing technology. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: 08 October 2004 02:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I could do well. Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water for heating applications. I have a steady supply of good SVO. And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable. I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, but will be applicable for future solar pv use as well. What is the flaw I am missing? -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] HELP
The KB (solvent strength) of biodiesel is similar to #2 diesel. Biodiesel smells like French fries, sorta. No, you can't use Biodiesel in a petrol car (stock answer, exceptions rule). Steve Spence www.green-trust.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chih chou Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] HELP DEAR SIR HERE I AM ASKING FOR HELP. 1, WHAT IS THE KB VALUE OF BIO-DIESEL? 2, WHAT IS BIO-DIESEL SMELL LIKE? 3,IF WE MIXED THE BIO-DIESEL WITH UNLEAD PETRO CAN THIS MIXTURE BE USING IN ORDINARY PERTOL ENGINE CAR? THANKS FOR ANYONE CAN ANSWER MY QUESTION BEST REGARDS GORVANS -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default .asp?SRC=lycos10 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists againstBush/U.S. can end oil use
carbon tax does not equal pollution credits. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists againstBush/U.S. can end oil use [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, does the Carbon tax not level out playing field for renewable energy sources as will push forwards development and grants for projects. Here in Ireland we currently have to pay VAT @21% on all our plant (biomass and pellet heating systems) which makes the fossil alternative look cheap by comparison. When we introduce carbon tax on use fossil we will make this technology more attractive to all users and hence open both carbon sequestion to being viable and economical way to generate income as well as diverting capital away from fossil towards renewables. In EU fines still going ahead if Kyoto targets not reached, e.g. Ireland now 30% over target and facing Euro10bn fine. dD _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Dodge Cummins Fuel Hoses
It's a '96, you don't need to change anything. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Cullen Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 6:36 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Dodge Cummins Fuel Hoses Hello Everyone, Forgive me (or don't) for not searching the archive first. Does anyone know about the hose(s) I need to change, or be ready to change before running SVO or Biodiesel? Mine is a 1996 D3500 Cummins. I've recently gathered nearly all the stuff I need, except changing the fuel hoses and stuff. Anyone have any experience to share? Thanks. Cullen __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists against Bush/ U.S. can end oil use
Carbon trading of course is just a scam to allow you to buy polluting rights from others while pretending everyone has a right to pollute just a little. Carbon trading is not a good thing! - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists against Bush/ U.S. can end oil use Russia to ratify Kyoto treaty Putin joins fight against climate change, leaving Bush isolated and US cut out of carbon trading market Paul Brown, environment correspondent Oct 1, 2004 The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,2763,1317289,00.html Politicians, industry leaders and environment groups across the world welcomed the news last night that Russia had rejuvenated international efforts to combat climate change by ratifying the Kyoto protocol. President Vladimir Putin's decision isolates the US, and brings Russia closer economic and political ties with the European Union. The treaty, which commits 30 industrialised countries into legally binding greenhouse gas reduction targets, will kick-start a multibillion- pound carbon trading market, the transfer of clean technologies to developing countries and promote joint ventures with countries in the former Soviet bloc. It is also a blow to President George Bush who repudiated the treaty on taking office and has repeatedly tried to persuade Mr Putin to do the same. Russia's move means that US business will be cut out of the new carbon trading markets which have already been set up in London. Countries and companies in the scheme have targets to cut their carbon dioxide emissions. If they exceed their targets they will be able to sell the extra carbon saved to other countries or companies which have failed to do so. The market is expected to be worth tens of billions of pounds a year. Carbon trading and incentives to install renewables and other clean technologies in the treaty gives European companies a financial advantage in joint trading agreements with former Eastern bloc and developing countries. Because of the collapse of Russia's economy in the early 1990s, London traders estimated yesterday that Mr Putin's government has $10bn (about £5.5bn) of carbon credits to sell on the international markets to countries which cannot meet their own targets. A flurry of international excitement about Kyoto began yesterday after the Russian cabinet announced that it had prepared the papers to ratify the treaty and was forwarding them to the Russian parliament, or Duma, for ratification. Since Mr Putin's United Russia party controls two-thirds of the Duma, and he directed the cabinet to act, ratification is seen as a virtual certainty. The Kyoto protocol, negotiated in 1997, ties those countries of the industrialised world which have signed up to it into carbon dioxide reductions of around 5% on 1990 levels. Scientists say that cuts of 60% are needed across the world to avoid runaway climate change, mass extinctions and catastrophic sea level rise. However, the treaty was only seen as a first step, and when the first cuts are implemented by 2010 the process is expected to continue, setting tougher targets for 2020. Making a major speech on climate change two weeks ago, Tony Blair emphasised the need to begin thinking beyond 2010 to bring China and India into the process of reducing greenhouse gases. He has already said he will make climate change his priority for his presidency of the G8 next year. The executive secretary of the UN Climate Change Convention, Joke Waller-Hunter, said: President Putin has given an inspiring signal to the international community. By giving industry, local authorities and consumers incentives to take action on climate change, Russia and the 29 other industrialised countries that have joined the protocol will set themselves on a path to greater economic efficiency. Margaret Beckett, the environment secretary, described it as a crucial step forward. As far as the US was concerned it opened up a different vista. The US has long since assumed that Kyoto was dead but it is not. There will be voices in US industry saying 'we are missing out here'. It is early to say where this will lead but this will make a considerable difference. The protocol is a legally binding addition to the 1992 climate change convention. The EU as a whole is committed to an 8% reduction on greenhouse gas emissions on 1990 levels by 2010 and is struggling to reach the target. Some countries will have to buy in carbon from countries such as Russia which have credits to spare. The UK, which has a 12.5% reduction target, is on course to exceed this by about 3% but is unlikely to sell any spare carbon, saving up any extra credits for the next negotiating period to 2020. EMS UPDATE - Sept 30, 2004 KYOTO CLEARS LAST HURDLE The Russian cabinet approved
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists againstBush/U.S. can end oil use
Increased use of renewable energy and advancing efficient use of renewable fuels is a good thing. advancing efficient use of fossil fuels is only temporary step to eliminating them. trading pollution credits does not make the above happen. If I'm doing the right thing, why should I trade those credits to allow someone else to do the wrong thing. That cancels out the good I've done. I'll tell you what, I'll vote for Kerry, so that you can vote for bush . - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists againstBush/U.S. can end oil use Steve Spence wrote: Carbon trading of course is just a scam to allow you to buy polluting rights from others while pretending everyone has a right to pollute just a little. Carbon trading is not a good thing! Increased use of renewable energy and advancing efficient use of renewable and fossil fuels is not a good trade off regarding climate change? Russia to ratify Kyoto treaty Putin joins fight against climate change, leaving Bush isolated and US cut out of carbon trading market Paul Brown, environment correspondent Oct 1, 2004 The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,2763,1317289,00.html SNIP - Original Message - EMS UPDATE - Sept 30, 2004 KYOTO CLEARS LAST HURDLE The Russian cabinet approved the ratification of the Kyoto global warming treaty today. Russia's ratification means the Kyoto Protocol will enter into force as an internationally binding treaty in 2005. The treaty must still win the approval of Russia's lower parliament house, but that is considered a virtual certainty. News stories press releases: http://www.ems.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SCIENTISTS BEGIN TOUR TO OPPOSE BUSH Scientists and Engineers for Change, a group that includes 10 Nobel laureates, has begun a tour to battleground states to highlight the misuse of science by the Bush administration. I am not a Democrat and I have never played a significant role in politics, said Dr. Douglas Osheroff, a Nobel-winning professor of physics at Stanford who is a part of the group. We must begin to address climate change now. To do so, we must have an administration that listens to the scientific community, not one that manipulates and minimizes scientific input. Tour stops are scheduled for Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Oregon, Virginia and Wisconsin. Press release, news: http://www.ems.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * STUDY: U.S. CAN END OIL USE A Pentagon-cofunded blueprint for making the United States oil-free, released September 20 by the Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI), finds that by 2015 the United States can save more oil than it gets from the Persian Gulf -- and can eliminate its oil use altogether by 2050. The plan achieves a net cost savings for the United States and does not require taxation or regulation. The plan, Winning the Oil Endgame: Innovation for Profits, Jobs, and Security, would eliminate half of U.S. oil use through improved efficiency, and the other half through the use of biofuels and natural gas. Because saving and substituting oil costs less than buying it, our study finds a net savings of $70 billion a year, said RMI CEO Amory Lovins. More: http://www.ems.org ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ EMS listservs provide news tips and resources for journalists. You received this email because you signed up at our website, http://ems.org. Please forward this email to your colleagues. To subscribe or change your preferences: Please visit http://www.ems.org/updates.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Israel's Terrorists
Most all of us would sic like to have a section on the ballot that says Neither candidate is suitable. Please try again. I like that. Thank you! - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Israel's Terrorists Hello Enthusiasts, There are sections of this recent post from Robert that are so powerful that they need to be repeated. I read it several times and excuse me for highlighting what I consider as important elements, but here goes... Alfred E. Newman debates Farmer John. I changed some of the wording to suit my frame of mind and added a few paragraphs. Sometimes three people in a post are confusing. Too bad we can't use different colors to understand who is talking. And it is true that... Many Americans believe that we act with the world's best interest in mind. It all started in school and church. Our beliefs can't change without replacing them with a new belief. Therefore, when we rip out a deeply imbedded belief, we need a new one to pop into its place. This is basic to human nature Those of us who live most anywhere else sic have very little say in national politics, as the candidates are essentially chosen for us by the political system on the east coast. I watched the debate in stunned amazement that Mickey Mouse and Dopey are both vying for the opportunity to sic feed their egos as king of the country for a short while. Nuclear or not...there are so many different issues that are too federally controlled. Most all of us would sic like to have a section on the ballot that says Neither candidate is suitable. Please try again. But let's back on biofuel subject : at last Kyoto protocol has been ratified and the US industry will be obliged to make efforts to compete with more virtuous companies especially in Europe. It should be good for the planet...and the americans who are living on. Despite their government. This next statement does not make sense... especially when applied to rural economic development. Returning the power back to the farmers for self-sufficiency and producing an excess to sell to others is agreeable. I will meet with both Department of Ag and Department of Energy people from a western state in a couple of weeks. They are ready, willing, and able to help start-up people and this is not BIG BUSINESS or industry. This is a community project that is intended to be cloned throughout the state. And it is biomass focused on waste materials. No fertilizers or pesticides involved!!! Biofuel is suspected to be a carbon wells but with a bad ecological balance when produced even from organic and extensive agriculture if far from consumption places and if the fuel needs heavy process. We have discussed this problem at length in this forum. Regional and community level energy resource development must follow after conservation, otherwise, we'll end up with Big Agribusiness displacing Big Oil. One of the only ecologicaly interresting way right now is in a short circuit meaning local organic production of vegetal oil and local consumption in basic diesel motors (or more efficient special built ones) So why can't you guys understand that there are two players in the biofuels arena. Biodiesel and Fuel Ethanol. Fuel ethanol is quite legal in most places and can utilize waste materials. I sound like a broken record, but the premises is that many SMALL PRODUCTION FACILITIES can do more ultimate good than the huge facilities supported by the government. And we intend to prove this again and again and again. I hope to set up a web site soon. All it takes is time and money and/ or a little know how. You have your finger on an important principle. As you describe further on, sometimes government gets in the way of such progress. This is true in Canada as well. I cannot produce ethanol for my vehicle where I live. It's illegal to do so. I'm allowed to waste a lot of electricity making hydrogen from the grid (and run my vehicle on H2), but I'm not permitted to distill ethanol. There are farms all over the valley where I live that simply burn their agricultural residue and pollute the air (rather than gasifying it for energy), but I can't aid in cleaning the airshed by burning ethanol in my truck. And you mentioned two important things in this paragraph. First, our system to make fuel ethanol runs on cellulosic waste. And second, our system comes with a generator that produces electricity. What you do with that electricity is your business. You can sell it back to the electrical company or use it for your own purposes...even to produce hydrogen, if you like. Perhaps you should be working toward legalizing fuel ethanol at this time. And when you are ready to set up a real system and do some real good, we can help. Peggy
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists againstBush/ U.S. can end oil use
Global SO2 limits were attained (and were they strict enough?), or was the pollution just shoved somewhere else? - Original Message - From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists againstBush/ U.S. can end oil use Steve Spence wrote: Carbon trading of course is just a scam to allow you to buy polluting rights from others while pretending everyone has a right to pollute just a little. Carbon trading is not a good thing! I disagree. Cap and trade market programs have proven successful in the past. Witness the success of the SO2 credit market in the US. Attainment of SO2 limits has been achieved at lower cost and more quickly than expected. http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/articles/clearingtheair.pdf ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Model fuel
try some veggie with alcohol. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Jeffrey Kumjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Model fuel Can you make a model aircraft engine run on biofuel? Jeffrey ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios
I wonder where he thinks they will get the hydrogen from, and how much he thinks folks will be willing to pay for it . Steve Spence -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnston, Don Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios Guys, I discussed the issue of 'known oil reserves' with Ray Noble, who is in charge of the UK's BP SOLAR Programme. I raised the issue that the 'reserve window' kept expanding, ie when the oil companies were down to 20-25 years 'known' reserves, all of a sudden they found more, and consequently the known reserve window expands to a new time horizon. Ray acknowledged that this used to be the case but affirmed that all the major oil companies now knew where ALL the oil and gas was, and that there was no more to be found, it was simply a matter of how easy ,or how expensive it was going to be to extract from each reserve. He then went on to affirm that, and I try to quote from memory, 'that BP does not expect to be selling petrol, diesel, or LPG on its station forecourts by 2035, it expects to be selling hydrogen.'. I have absolutely no wish to upset this biodiesel fraternity, but note that he did not say to me that BP expects to be selling biodiesel. This was only a couple of years ago.curious. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 30 September 2004 15:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios DieselNet UPDATE September 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios The Energy Information Administration (EIA) of the US Department of Energy (DOE) has released a study that examined long-term supply scenarios for world petroleum. Under the most likely scenario-- assuming a 2% annual growth rate for world's oil demand and the mean value for the amount of oil reserves--the study predicts that petroleum production will reach its peak in 2037. The study is a re-release of an oil supply prognosis originally published in July 2000, prompted in part by the increasing fuel prices in the USA. There has been no new information or developments that would significantly alter the year 2000 results, stated the EIA. The study is based on estimates of world's oil resources by the US Geological Survey. The EIA estimated that the world's growth in oil demand will be 1.9% through 2025. The critical event in world oil production will be when it reaches its peak. The following decline in oil production would leave some oil demand unsatisfied, likely leading to significant price increases. The date of the peak depends on the rate of demand growth and assumed reserves. Twelve scenarios were examined in the study, for different oil demand growth rate (0-3%) and different oil reserves. The potential dates for the peak oil production ranged from 2021 to 2112. Only conventionally reservoired crude oil reserves were analyzed in the study. Additional petroleum supply is expected from unconventional sources. Commercial production has already started from such sources as the Canadian tar sands and Venezuelan heavy oils. While the EIA analysis is less alarming than some other reports, its authors noted that the results do not justify complacency about both supply- and demand-side research and development. The EIA also prepares short-term energy outlook reports, published monthly. In the most recent September issue, the EIA revised the projected world oil demand growth for 2004 to 3.2% (from a previous prediction of 2.5%) above the 2003 demand. Strong demand from China accounts for much of the upward revision. Global oil demand growth in 2005 is expected to slow down to 2.4% due to the increased oil prices. Long term outlook: http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/feature_articles/2004/wor ldoilsupply/oilsupply04.html Short term outlook: http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/contents.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print
RE: [Biofuel] Question about biodiesel
My '83 vw rabbit does, but my Detroit Diesel generator does not. Steve Spence www.green-trust.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Legal Eagle Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Question about biodiesel It is my understanding that ALL diesels need a glow plug ignition of some sort. Luc - Original Message - From: frag lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Question about biodiesel i have an old italian compression diesel here (500cc) , a no runner at the moment , would biodiesel work in it or do i need an ignition source (glowplug) _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios
1. reserves until they are depleted
2. pollutants can be separated
Those two statements are greatly deserving of thought.
Steve Spence
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I wonder where he thinks they will get the hydrogen from, and how much
he thinks folks will be willing to pay for it .
Steve Spence
Steve,
If its the UK you are referring to, how about their unused inferior coal
reserves until they are depleted? Laid-off coal miners would be happy
for
work again and pollutants can be separated from the stream BEFORE the
energy is consumed, unlike trying to capture pollants post combustion as
in conventional coal burning.
Try these links for more:
http://www.zeca.org/
http://www.princeton.edu/~chm333/2002/fall/co_two/minerals/zec.htm#_ftn4
http://www.aig.asn.au/News_2003/zero_emissions.htm
The above concept is just that...conceptual.
One article said the two disadvantages of using coal are:
1) transport and storage of the hydrogen after production--this would
be
the case for any hydrogen production process that would be for vehicle
use, I suspect.
2) 'scarring' of the earth surface from surface mining ('open cast' for
the Europeans). This has largely become a non-issue when government
regulations are strictly enforced. First hand observation in Wyoming's
Powder River Basin and the Buelah area in North Dakota can attest to
that.
Ron B.
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Johnston, Don
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios
Guys, I discussed the issue of 'known oil reserves' with Ray Noble,
who
is in charge of the UK's BP SOLAR Programme. I raised the issue that
the
'reserve window' kept expanding, ie when the oil companies were down
to
20-25 years 'known' reserves, all of a sudden they found more, and
consequently the known reserve window expands to a new time horizon.
Ray
acknowledged that this used to be the case but affirmed that all the
major oil companies now knew where ALL the oil and gas was, and that
there was no more to be found, it was simply a matter of how easy ,or
how expensive it was going to be to extract from each reserve.
He then went on to affirm that, and I try to quote from memory, 'that
BP does not expect to be selling petrol, diesel, or LPG on its station
forecourts by 2035, it expects to be selling hydrogen.'.
I have absolutely no wish to upset this biodiesel fraternity,
but note that he did not say to me that BP expects to be selling
biodiesel. This was only a couple of years ago.curious.
Don Johnston
Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council
Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group
Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards
2002
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Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
At $10 / GGE equivalent, I just bet buyers will be lining up to get their fill ... - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:01 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen Solar hydrogen - energy of the future 26 August 2004 http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/adv/articles/2004/aug/Solar_hydrogen.html A team of Australian scientists predicts that a revolutionary new way to harness the power of the sun to extract clean and almost unlimited energy supplies from water will be a reality within seven years. Solar hydrogen, Professor Sorrell argues, is not incompatible with coal. It can be used to produce solar methanol, which produces less carbon dioxide than conventional methods. As a mid-term energy carrier it has a lot to say for it, he says New Process Could Help Make Hydrogen Fuel Affordable Stephanie Peatling in Sydney for National Geographic News August 27, 2004 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0827_040827_hydrogen_energy.html Scientists in Australia say they have have made a breakthrough in the efficiency of using sunlight to generate hydrogen from water. It may be a step toward an affordable source of clean energy. A renewable source of energy to replace the world's declining fossil fuel reserves is perhaps the scientific community's holy grail. Hydrogen is all around us. It is seen by many as the cleanest and most efficient fuel for powering everything from vehicles to furnaces and air-conditioning-if only we can find an affordable way to harness it. Now two researchers in Australia say they have made substantial progress. Scientists have known for a long time how to split water into its two elements, oxygen and hydrogen. But the problem is that the process requires electricity-typically derived from fossil fuels-which makes the process counterproductive and expensive. Janusz Nowotny and Charles Sorrell are researchers from the Centre for Materials Research in Energy Conversion at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia. They have been looking for an economical way to use titanium dioxide to act as a catalyst to split water into oxygen and hydrogen-using solar energy. The Stuff of Toothpaste Titanium dioxide (TiO2) is widely used as a white pigment in paint, paper, cosmetics, sunscreens, and toothpastes. It is found in its purest form in rutile, a beach sand but is also extracted from certain ores. Rio Tinto, a mining company that produces titanium oxide, helps fund Nowotny's and Sorrell's research. Nowotny and Sorrell announced their breakthrough today at the International Conference on Materials for Hydrogen Energy, hosted by the University of New South Wales in Sydney. They believe they have found a way to considerably improve the productivity of the solar hydrogen process (using sunlight to extract hydrogen from water) using a device made out of titanium dioxide. This is potentially huge, with a market the size of all the existing markets for coal, oil, and gas combined,'' Nowotny said in a news statement released ahead of the conference. Based on our research results, we know we are on the right track. Although Australia's sunny climate makes it an ideal place to generate solar energy, Sorrell said the technology could be used anywhere in the world. It's been the dream of many people for a long time to develop it, and it's exciting to know it's within such close reach, Sorrell said. Honda-Fujishima Effect The Australians' research has not been tested yet by other scientists, although the findings were applauded by the pioneers of the solar hydrogen process, Akira Fujishima and Kenichi Honda. In 1967 the Japanese scientists discovered that titanium dioxide could be used to extract hydrogen from water in a process that has become known as the Honda-Fujishima effect. The finding was reported in the journal Nature and led to numerous awards, including the 2004 Japan Prize in the category Chemical Technology for the Environment. Hydrogen is very simple but very efficient,'' said Fujishima, who is also in Sydney for today's conference. We must keep working hard on it.'' Since the 1967 discovery much research has focused on the materials that might be used to split water with sunlight. Fujishima, chairman of the Kanagawa Academy of Science and Technology, says using titanium dioxide as a catalyst means energy production will result in cleaner air, cleaner water, and a cleaner atmosphere. Many Years to Hydrogen Power The world is still a long way off from large-scale conversion from fossil fuels to hydrogen for its energy needs. For one thing, the Honda-Fujishima effect, even if it is greatly enhanced by the research breakthrough announced today, still has to be adapted into devices that can be used on a commercially viable scale. Engineers will have to design fuel cells that collect sunlight from
[Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!
The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Sorta Tonight we fired up on 50/50 Kerosene and Waste Vegetable Oil. The Detroit Diesel is loving the mix and is purring like a kitten! Smells sweet. The details of our oil filtration system are coming shortly. Tomorrow the heat exchanger gets installed in the Veggie tank for V100 (100% Veggie). We also hope to get the muffler installed . See the full article at http://www.green-trust.org/wiki/index.php?title=Green-Trust_Heat_% 26_Power_System http://tinyurl.com/52a4v www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
Environmental problems for kerosene (paraffin to you, we think paraffin is something you can jellies with) are the same as gasoline and diesel. It's a finite fossil fuel that produces pollution and green house gases. Why not do yourself a favor, and run ethanol in that petrol engine, or get a diesel and run biodiesel or veggie oil. - Original Message - From: Phil Rendell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:10 AM Subject: RE: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol Hello all! Is there anyone out there who has tried running a petrol motor on paraffin? I know the timing needs retarding and that performance is terrible, but here in Africa, the fuel is very, very cheap. What are the environmental implications of burning the stuff and implications for engine life? Phil Rendel English Department Kingswood College, Burton Street, Grahamstown tel. 046 603 6600 fax. 046 622 3084 cell: 084 448 1052 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 20 September 2004 08:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol Ken. Please take a look at http://www.eesi.org/programs/agriculture/Energy%20Balance%20update.htm on Biofuels: energy balance. Hans Very nice too Hans, thanks. There's also this: http://www.mda.state.mn.us/Ethanol/balance.html Energy Balance/Life Cycle Inventory for Ethanol, Biodiesel and Petroleum Fuels And a whole lot more here: http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html Is ethanol energy-efficient? Best Keith - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol The reason the government is promoting ethanol production is because of the farm lobby. In general the production of ethanol is an energy loss. The fossil fuels used to plow, fertilize, ferment and distill ethanol require the input of more energy than is obtained from the ethanol produced. Ken == Sorry Ken, but your data is about 24 years behind the times. I believe it was a 1980 paper from Cornell U. or something similiar, that mentioned that ethanol was energy negative. Some things never want to die. I remember stopping in Madison Wisconsin to gas up on my way to Chicago a few years ago. I pulled into a gas station and the gas station attendant noticed my Minnesota lic. plates (read: 10% ethanol). He proudly proclaimed that his gas had none of that worthless ethanol in it. I asked him what his feelings were about ethanol and he said it ruins engines. I said, Reeeally, I have over 200,000 miles on my truck and never had a problem with the engine. He then asked me for the money owed for the gas and that was the end of that. 8~) Maybe ethanol isn't going to reduce oil dependency, but it will replace the use of Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (MTBE). I believe 3.3 billion gallons yearly of ethanol are being produced now. To replace all the nasty MTBE put in gas in the USA, they'll need another 11-12 billion gallons of ethanol for a 10% mix. When people live in California where MTBE is manufactured and they have to quit using it and ship in tank cars of ethanolthey will complain. What's surprising is that California politicians that scream about taking care of the environment also don't want to ban the nasty MTBE and resort to importing ethanol. Let them eat cake. Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] good reading
That 1980 Mercedes we converted this weekend was one of the nicest examples of an old car that I have seen in a while. No rust, not a lot of clutter, easy to work on. Only 26 mpg, but it's a wagon, and heavy. With free veggie, the mpg isn't as critical. - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] good reading --- tommy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a good reading piece if your wondering about why it's pretty much a waste to try to get those Cheap running junkers working and focus on new tech engines. Thank you for posting that link. I enjoyed reading it. But I disagree with your conclusions. As nice as a new diesel is I am still going to keep my 23 year old audi diesel. Once you consider that I only have about $500 into it not counting fuel or oil changes and that it gets 50 mpg I don't see how the new ones are any better. But of course they're much fancier, with all the electronics and latest options. The new ones will also blow mine off the road for speed and power. But those don't concern me. I know that for a lot of people they are very important, and those are the ones that I would try to talk into getting a newer one. The old ones also use very simple technology, which for me means that I can fix it all myself without taking it in. Not including the injection pump, of course. (Though I do have the computer scanners to be able to do everything on the newer ones as well, but that's cause it's what I do. Just saying that most people can work on the older ones and the newer ones become harder and more complicated.) I'm all for diesels. I love them. And the new ones have a lot of nice advantages. I really wish that with 20+ years of technology advancements it would have that much better fuel mileage than mine, but they just don't. I just don't see all that as a reason to abandon the old ones. If I can at all I will drive these old tech ones for many years more. The only thing I see stopping me is them getting wrecked. Just my opinion, of course. Erik This tech is what the Big fuel petro industrial fuel suppliers will get the gov to back instead of bio-fuel, keeping themselves in the loop http://www.boschusa.com/dieselvoice.pdf __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
