Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read
I guess I'm sorta left, in more ways than one,depending who is talking about me. I admit I don't devote a lot of time to the email list Hover I'll will follow the group/list to wherever it migrates too, if it migrates at all. All good things come to on end that is particularity true of thing that are of low or now cost to the ultimate consumer, I can't complain. I don't know to what degree they would be valuable will the archives be saved somehow?. In the event they could be compiled into file that's usable I would me more than happy to put such fa file in my peer to peer folder where the file would be support by BitTorrent distribution. Regards Doug ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read
Me too please. regards, Doug On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 07:26:31 +1100 (AEDT) Tony croft_2j <croft...@bigpond.com> wrote: > What a brilliant Idea it is about time the Farmers of this world took > and had control of their livelyhoods > I Like Marc have also been a fly on the wall for many years > > I have also been into Permaculture since 1978 but health has slowed me > down big time > I hope even if it is a few ideas I through your way I can help in some > small way > > Tony Lush > Western Australia > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Marc Perry" <marcpe...@comcast.net> > To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org > Sent: Sunday, 19 Mar, 2017 At 12:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down > the list, , , , but first, please read > > Please include me also…I have been a fly on the wall for a few years now > and wish to continue. > Thanks! > Marc > Marc O. Perry > marcpe...@comcast.net > > > > On 3/16/17, 11:33 AM, "Chip Mefford" > <sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org on behalf of > c...@well.com> wrote: > > Good day all of you who are left, > > I really want to thank everyone who has sent their > thoughts on taking the list down. There have been > some, , no, not some, all, great stories. > > Before I take the list down, , > I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping > something like this going. > > reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a > new software project that I find very exciting, and > hence have chosen to do the work to update my > respective servers, including the mailing list server. > > Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change > over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things > IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations > (being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down > to where about the only thing I was responsible for was > this mailing list. However, that particular attempt > at resolving some things in my life by not doing > systems administration have cropped back up again, > so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped. > > So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those > skills I had developed, even though I am moving into > my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back > in. > > The project of which I speak is FarmOS > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM > > Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest, > I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new > community. > > Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter; > > --chipper > ___ > Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list > Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org > > http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > > > ___ > Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list > Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org > http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > > > > > > > > > > Tony > > First they ignore you, > then they laugh at you, > then they fight you, > then you win. > > Mahatma Gandhi > ___ > Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list > Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org > http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel -- Doug <lema...@internode.on.net> ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.
Hello All, I'd like to take a moment to echo the general sentiment here. Although I have not contributed very much to the list, I have read and followed-up on many of the items that have been posted here over the years. I am grateful for the time, effort and thought that have gone into keeping the list active. Thank you all very much for your offerings, it is/was appreciated and will be missed. Doug (in Hamilton, Canada) -Original Message- From: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org [mailto:sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 4:40 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down. i, for one will be sorry to see the list go. I, too am an old bastard, that wants a safe, clean world. I try to live softly on this planet, & feel I try to help my fellow man. I also wish to thank Darryl & Keith for the time spent on keeping this list active. I for one, hope that the politicians of this world wake up to the needs of our planet. I am sure they do not realise we live in a closed loop, so every action has a consequence for future generations. Good luck to all in the future. Thanks to all, Doug (in Northern NSW, Australia) On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:42:18 -0800 (PST) Chip Mefford <c...@well.com> wrote: > It has been many years now since Keith passed. > > As things stand, Darryl is about the only traffic posted here and even > that is echoing (admittedly interesting) stuff posted elsewhere. > > If anyone is interested, I can and am willing to provide the > subscriber's list if anyone wishes to continue this work. > > As things stand, this mailing list is the only mailing list left on my > mailman server that gets any traffic at all, and the spam to post > ratio is about 70:1 (intercepted). > > As of 20170101, the list will shut down. > > The archives will of course remain in place until such a time as those > responsible for them decide to take some other action. > > Please take these few days to make your farewells. > > So long > and thanks for everything. > > your list-admin > --chipper > ___ > Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list > Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org > http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbio > fuel -- Doug <lema...@internode.on.net> ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Dealing with stuff
Darryl, Thanks for everything. Sad to see it end. An Australian alternative is 'Freecycle' The Freecycle Network https://www.freecycle.org/ This works really well, with people asking, or offering. I would alo suggest these news feeds: Giles Parkinson - Renew Economy : Renew Economy reneweconomy.com.au/author/giles/ Giles Parkinson - One Step Off The Grid https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/author/giles-parkinson/ (Giles runs both: he is a well known alternative energy journalist) Happy New Year! Thanks, Doug On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:40:12 -0500 Darryl McMahon <dar...@econogics.com> wrote: > Our household has again been the beneficiary of the Christmas bounty of > stuff. (E.g., I'm using the new keyboard I received, which is more > compact much nicer than the vintage unit I was using until a couple of > days ago, and the old board will go in the parts bin until someone needs > a free, working unit.) > > However, it occurs to me it's a good opportunity to speak of > alternatives to sending things to 'away'. The landfill or incinerator > or whatever else ends up as the final destination for where unwanted > stuff goes when we throw it 'away'. > > I expect most of this e-mail is old news for list subscribers, but > perhaps there is something here you could pass along to others. > > Alternatives to 'away' > > I started writing on this topic a couple of decades ago (or more), and > my web pages still see a fair bit of traffic. I have not maintained > them as much as I might in recent years, so any updates would be welcome. > > http://www.econogics.com/en/enreusea.htm > > http://www.econogics.com/en/enviro.htm > > http://www.econogics.com/econogic.htm > > Some other items have come my way in the past few days - and > re-purposing smart phones was not on my radar in the 80s and 90s. > > http://www.businessinsider.com/what-to-do-with-old-android-smartphone-use-robot-recycle-baby-vr-christmas-2016-12 > > I'm thinking of re-purposing one phone as a GPS / dash cam. With the > new Google Maps allowing one to store maps (no continuous data > connection required), this is more feasible with no data plan required. > > This sizable list also arrived in the past couple of days. > > http://davidsuzuki.org/what-you-can-do/recycle-your-unwanted-stuff/ > > And don't discount the 'sharing economy' as a means of reducing our need > to own stuff. > > More on the Story of Stuff at http://storyofstuff.org/ > ___ > Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list > Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org > http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel -- Doug <lema...@internode.on.net> ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.
i, for one will be sorry to see the list go. I, too am an old bastard, that wants a safe, clean world. I try to live softly on this planet, & feel I try to help my fellow man. I also wish to thank Darryl & Keith for the time spent on keeping this list active. I for one, hope that the politicians of this world wake up to the needs of our planet. I am sure they do not realise we live in a closed loop, so every action has a consequence for future generations. Good luck to all in the future. Thanks to all, Doug (in Northern NSW, Australia) On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:42:18 -0800 (PST) Chip Mefford <c...@well.com> wrote: > It has been many years now since Keith passed. > > As things stand, Darryl is about the only traffic posted here > and even that is echoing (admittedly interesting) stuff > posted elsewhere. > > If anyone is interested, I can and am willing to provide the subscriber's > list if anyone wishes to continue this work. > > As things stand, this mailing list is the only mailing list left on > my mailman server that gets any traffic at all, and the spam to post > ratio is about 70:1 (intercepted). > > As of 20170101, the list will shut down. > > The archives will of course remain in place until such a time as > those responsible for them decide to take some other action. > > Please take these few days to make your farewells. > > So long > and thanks for everything. > > your list-admin > --chipper > ___ > Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list > Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org > http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel -- Doug <lema...@internode.on.net> ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
[Biofuel] My thought for Christmas!
Hi, did you know Donnie boy is a vegetarian? Don'T rump (TIC) Had to share that corny one! Merry Christmas (or whatever you celebrate) Doug ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Requiring noisy electric cars vs. real problem of digital deadwalkers
Run the buggers over! Total waste of Oxygen! They sound like they are part of the Darwin awards anyway http://www.darwinawards.com/ (very TIC...) We own an Imiev, & it is a problem on our country roads at night: The wildlife are not aware that you are approaching. We need to be careful not to hit anything at night. The California noise makers only work till 25mph from memory anyway. (Mind you we are in Australia, so no noise makers here!) regards, Doug On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 15:20:40 -0500 Darryl McMahon <dar...@econogics.com> wrote: > [Forwarding from another discussion list. Context: > > Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:49:03 -0800 (PST) > > Subject: [EVDL] Digital Deadwalkers : $52M/yr alert-sound adds noise > pollution& not-a-solution > > [ref > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/52M-yr-Quiet-Electrified-cars-alert-sound-rules-by-2019-09-tp4684467p4684478.html > > ] > > TT sez >It is the pedestrian blinded by electronics technology that we > need to concern ourselves with!< > > AAOS calls these Digital Deadwalkers: > > [video > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLrcY7iSxFU ] > > Digital Deadwalkers > > American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons Jan 12, 2015 > > "Dude. Engage!" > > The AAOS public service campaign "Digital Deadwalkers" encourages > pedestrians to engage in and with their surroundings.Distracted driving > can cause crashes, injuries and death. It's a prevalent public issue > that the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons (AAOS) continues to > champion. But what about distracted walking? What are the consequences > of pedestrians talking on the phone, texting, listening to music, > engaging deeply in conversation with the person next to them, or > focusing on anything or anyone other than the task of getting where they > need to go? > > Distracted "deadwalkers" are causing an epidemic of fractures and other > orthopaedic injuries. Danger lurks at every corner of our cities and > towns, but what if pedestrians are the ones posing the threats to > themselves and others? Today, more and more pedestrians fall down > stairs, trip over curbs or other objects, and in many instances, step > into traffic, causing serious injury, and even death, each year. > > "We know that the number of injuries to pedestrians using their phones > has nearly tripled since 2004, and surveys have shown that 60% of > pedestrians are distracted by other activities while walking," said Alan > Hilibrand, MD, chair of the AAOS Communications Cabinet. "Orthopaedic > surgeons?the medical doctors who specialize in bones, muscles and > joints?focus on keeping bones strong so that we can keep our nation in > motion. In 2009, AAOS launched the "Decide to Drive" campaign to educate > children, teens and adults about the dangers of distracted driving. For > 2015, the Academy is now expanding its > message to include the dangers of distracted walking." > > http://www.orthoinfo.org/DistractedPedestrians > > > In my life and in my area (Silicon Valley, CA) there are far more > distracted people (that are not physically blind) that do incredibly > dumb things as they have disconnected themselves from the real world > (its like the mobile devices are a tech-drug of a distracted lifestyle) > > To some, this is now common. For others, this seems unbelievable. And it > isn't just teens > > https://www.google.com/search?q=teen+mobile=zbP=1024=642=lnms=isch > > Children to Tweens (age 6 - 12) are also affected: > > https://www.google.com/search?q=tween+mobile=zbP=1024=642=lnms=isch > > https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/children-teen-teenager-teen_culture-smartphone-cellphone-mbcn4046_low.jpg > > http://lowres.jantoo.com/young-people-parenting-teens-gadget-distraction-parent-33235139_low.jpg > > > There is a whole new way to pacify your kid by throwing a cheap mobile > tech device at them (see links below). > > Children and tweens that (if they survive) will grow up to be distracted > adults: > http://image.cagle.com/71027/1155/71027.png?349a92 > > > My point in posting this is that the Million$ being spent are not going > to resolve what the advocates for the blind say is the issue (they are > pushing hard on a door marked pull). > The quiet from electrified vehicles made noisy will not resolve the > tech-addicted brain-distracted children, tweens, teens and adults that > will do dumb disconnected things (like walk without looking> right in > front of a moving vehicle). > > Loud or quiet, there are a whole lot more chances to hit the distracted > walking than a blind per
Re: [Biofuel] Wealth doesn't trickle down, it gushes offshore | rabble.ca
I think I read that some countries are considering taxing any foreign transactions. This would net countries taxation monies that are currently untaxed. It would also take some volatility out of banks manipulating the currency exchanges. The tax only needs to be small (0.01%) to reduce this manipulation. regards, Doug On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:48:05 -0400 Darryl McMahon <dar...@econogics.com> wrote: > http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/scott-vrooman/2016/04/wealth-doesnt-trickle-down-it-gushes-offshore > > Wealth doesn't trickle down, it gushes offshore > > By Scott Vrooman > > April 13, 2016 > > In response to the Panama Papers leak, Canada's pushy suit salesman > Kevin O'Leary argued that if taxes weren't so high, wealthy people > wouldn't be forced to hide their money offshore. Exactly, and if you > want to stop burglars from breaking your door locks, stop locking your > doors. And we could end murder tomorrow if we all took some initiative > and stabbed ourselves. > > O'Leary is selling the fable that anything that increases the freedom of > capital is "efficient." Because money is like water, and should be free > to flow wherever it wants without being dammed up with taxes, to > maximize the wealth that trickles down to the masses. But as the Panama > Papers illustrate, capital doesn't trickle down, it gushes offshore in > big greedy hoses rented out by lawyers and accountants. > > That's not efficient, that's freeloading. That capital needs to move out > of its parents' Caribbean basement, pay some taxes and get a job like a > responsible adult. > > If you think the only solution to tax avoidance is lower taxes, you're > effectively saying our governments are so powerless that we should be > thankful the wealthy pay any taxes at all, and embrace the libertarian > utopia of Indigogo-funded schools and Uber for ambulances. > > But governments could crack down on tax havens if they wanted to. Panama > and the Caymens aren't North Korea. And neither is KPMG. The abuse of > tax shelters isn't inevitable, it's a choice by governments to allow it. > And now those governments have a choice to use their power to fight it, > or lose it. > > ___ > Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list > Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org > http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel -- Doug <lema...@internode.on.net> ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
[Biofuel] Renewable energy storage
Found at: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/technology/science/new-material-raises-hopes- for-cheap-renewable-energy-storage/article29389597/ It looks like the B-movie version of what you expect to find in a scientist's lab: An emerald green liquid that turns into a brownish gel as more ingredients are added. Yet, this colourful goop, developed at the University of Toronto, does something that researchers say could make it a real-life blockbuster. When spread on a strip of metal and subjected to an electric current, it can break apart molecules of water at about three times the rate and far more cheaply than any substance currently available. If its effectiveness proves long lasting, it could pave the way for a new and commercially attractive method for storing renewable energy. "This is an amazing material," said Bo Zhang, a visiting researcher from the East China University of Science and Technology in Shanghai and the lead author on a paper describing the material, published online Wednesday by the journal Science. Working with colleagues in Toronto and elsewhere, Dr. Zhang was able to develop the gel and verify its potency as a catalyst for breaking down water (H2O) into hydrogen and oxygen. The key element in the process proved to be tungsten, a relatively cheap and abundant metal. The tungsten doesn't split the water itself, but its presence in the catalyst changes the properties of the other ingredients, specifically an iron-cobalt oxide, enabling it to split water more easily. What's more, Dr. Zhang said, the material can be made at room temperature, unlike many catalysts. Once made, it can be applied easily, like a paste. This suggests the material could spur the development of water-splitting technologies at industrial scale. In such a process, the oxygen molecules that are created as byproducts are typically released into the atmosphere while the hydrogen is stored. When later recombined with oxygen, in a fuel cell for example, the hydrogen can be used to generate energy. The advantage of this scheme is that it can take electricity that is produced by renewable but intermittent sources, such as solar and wind, and convert it into a form of energy that can be stored indefinitely for later use. The storage conundrum has long bedevilled the renewable energy sector. Battery technology has not yet provided an inexpensive and long-lived means of storing electricity in large quantities. "It's an unsolved problem at the moment and we don't really have commercially compelling solutions," said Edward Sargent, a professor of engineering at U of T and the senior researcher involved in the work. The new material could improve the situation significantly, by making hydrogen more viable as an energy-storage option. It is one of the first tangible results to come from a research program Dr. Sargent leads in bio-inspired energy that is sponsored by the Canadian Institute for Advanced Research (CIFAR). One of the program's goals is to achieve energy solutions by drawing on the example of natural systems. Water splitting is one such solution, which plants routinely perform with high efficiency as part of photosynthesis. The catalyst required more than a year of development during which the team started with the idea, based on earlier research, that a tungsten-infused material might yield good results. What followed was a series of steady improvements guided by theoretical predictions of how water would interact with different versions of the material. Through the CIFAR program, Dr. Sargent was able to enlist colleagues at Stanford University who performed the theoretical work. The microscopic behaviour of the material was studied by bombarding it with a beam of high-energy X-rays at the Canadian Light Source in Saskatoon and another facility in China. A particle accelerator in the U.S. was used to verify the material's structure at atomic scales. Splitting a water molecule is a four-step process in which the limiting step is typically the division of the hydroxyl (OH) radical. The researchers found the tungsten-based compound managed to even out the energy required by each step, which made the entire process more efficient. "This work highlights the wonderful surprises that emerge when we ask different metals to work together. The outcome is that they show remarkably high efficiencies with abundant and inexpensive metals," said Curtis Berlinguette, an expert in energy storage and catalysis at the University of British Columbia who was not involved in the work. Dr. Berlinguette added that the next challenge for the U of T team would be to demonstrate that the new material can sustain years of use as a catalyst, a necessary step on the way to developing a commercially sustainable technology. Dr. Sargent said that so far the material had shown no sign of degrading after 500 hours of testing and he was optimistic that it would be robust enough to last for years. The team found no sign of metals leaching from the
[Biofuel] Welcome Back Darryl
Hi Darryl, I know I don't contribute much to this listserve but I really do appreciate your efforts towards helping us stay informed. Take Care, Doug Turner, Hamilton, ON ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.
Chip, Ditto, I read virtually everything that gets posted but seldom reply as I do not have much to contribute at this moment in time. Nevertheless, I would miss the list if it were to disappear. Doug Turner, Hamilton, ON, Canada - ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Any beekeeping contacts in Switzerland?
One of the leads that added interested for me in regards to beekeeping was the video Queen of the Sun, and on their website, there's a page of people who contributed information. http://www.queenofthesun.com/page/6/ excerpt: Molecular Biologist, Goetheanum Johannes is a molecular biologist on the staff of the Research Laboratory at the Goetheanum in Dornach, Switzerland. His current research projects include an effort to develop criteria for beekeeping that do not include chemical attacks against the varroa mite, which is proving so devastating to honey bees worldwide. He may be able to put you in touch with people who are informed in the areas of your interests doug swanson - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall zyewd...@gmail.com To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Sent: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Biofuel] Any beekeeping contacts in Switzerland? I am trying to find out more about the beehouses used in Switzerland (and other mountainous regions in Europe). There's very little info on them here in the US, but the standard langstroth hive does not work as well in cold winter climates, from what I can gather. And, they require electric fences for any protection from bears, and even with them, bear invasions are common in the mountains. But, they're cheap... the US way of doing things.I am considering making a trip to Switzerland next summer to research these more and see how they function, however, I need to get some contacts there first and see if it's possible to set up a tour of beehouses, etc. My not speaking German is not helping the research ;) But, I figured this list might have some ideas. Thanks Zeke ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
[Biofuel] Bentley Anti-CSG Blockde (near Lismore, NSW, Australia)
Hi, There is a large protest occurring near Lismore, NSW to stop Coal Seam Gas mining in this area ( other protests in other areas against CSG Coal Mining). This will involve Fracking, a known environmental concern, as well as Industrialisation of a beautiful Farming community. Byron Bay Echo is a local independent newspaper, that has published many stories about this blockade. It has been reported that the Bentley Blockade is the largest environmental mass protest in Australia. Some mornings we have had well over 2000 people present. Some musical acts from the Bluesfest in Byron Bay appeared at the protest site to voice their support this Easter Weekend. Link to an article: http://www.echo.net.au/2014/04/john-butler-boosts-bentley-blockade/ regards -- Doug ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] The rise of social capital
Darryl, I have a slightly different view of your response to the Rifkin article. I will start by agreeing with your last paragraph which largely points out the rise of large capital ( responding political influence). I think some of the issues we are experiencing is a result of the grab for control by corporations where they are lobbying governments to 'protect' their market. As an Australian, we have power companies that are frightened by the growth of solarpower. In Australia we now have a 'connection cost' that is growing. This cost is to supply the backbone. I fear in the future we will be charged if the power is available, even if we do not connect to the grid! With the availability of cheaper batteries ( particularly recycled Electric car batteries in the future (1) In Australia we have a Medicare that gives free Medical to all citizens. The actual cost to taxpayers is LESS than the government outlay per citizen in the USA. Unfortunately greed is causing a few creaks in the seams bcause the differential wages between low , average high wage earners, so Doctors want to charge a Co-payment that will degrade the concept of the service. We still have Private insurers Health Providers, but up to now all basic health requirement has been covered. One of the comments in the article was regarding the rise of Open Source: both Hardware Software. I am an avid Open Source user. The rise of 3D printers will increase this use. I can think of making parts for my classic motorcycle for instance (such as Blinker lenses). I also need to print an HDPE Normally closed float valve for my pool. I feel the Open Source movement has grown due to the inefficiencies greed of the Patent system. Companies can either lend or give patents to the open source movement, or document patentable systems so prior art is established. Personally I feel the patent system now actually restricts development. There seems to be limited natural research these days. In days of yore, we had the CSIRO in Australia that was responsible for many discoveries including things used in the Space race, Agriculture, Electronics software, etc. Unfortunately in the last few years our Governments have given little funding to CSIRO, so much time is now wasted on finding private funding (a Geologist friend said 30% of his time was wasted on finding funding: he is now retired.) This 'waste' must be absorbed by the system, most probably by increased cost for the final product. My comment as a consumer is to ensure that any electronics I buy are Hackable: my phone has an upgraded operating system installed (from the XDA site). Also items such as my Router is to be loaded with Gargoyle. Even though I am still working, we try to live softly on the planet. I feel using closed source items such as the most popular operating system, or the systems supplied by the fruity manufacturer are limiting my rights to my data, so would never be purchased. I am particularly concerned on the invasion of privacy by Big Brother. Some might be required for security, but I feel much is now collected for spurious institutional reasons. As a final comment, I am surprised at the Opposition to a basic Health cover in the US. When I see the quality of life of all Australians, rich or poor, supplied by the Medicare system at a lower cost than the US now pays, I wonder why the poor do not revolt! There must be so much unnecessary suffering because quality Health care is not easily available. My perception is the only winners are the super-rich that may pay slightly less tax. (The Medicare rate is now 1.5% of taxable income, an affordable amount. If you do not earn, you are still covered.) I am particularly concerned by the huge spread of wages, the growing differential between the super rich super poor. We have a handful of super rich mining magnates that spent less than $10M for advertising (that is probably tax-deductable!) to stop the Australian Mining Tax that would have cost them $4bn in tax over the next few years. Unfortunately this revenue must now be paid by general taxpayers mainly by reduced services. (the Doctors co-Payment would be an example). Enough rant, Regards Doug (1) An Island in Japan now has used recycled batteries for Solar backup to replace Diesel power http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Japan-Looks-at-Recycling-Vehicle-Batteries-for-Renewable-Power.html On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 21:55:36 -0400 Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/16/opinion/sunday/the-rise-of-anti-capitalism.html?action=clickcontentCollection=Technologymodule=MostEmailedversion=Fullregion=Marginaliasrc=mepgtype=article [Article appears below. First, my rant. In my opinion, growth in the non-profit sector is almost never good news. In my experience, the non-profit sector generally grows only if there is a sustained excess demand for their services over existing
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panels may cost all households
Yikes! There have also been rumours in Australia that households could be charged for ´service availability´, where you would be charged even if you go off grid. Hopefully it will remain a rumour There is a Solar Company here in Lismore that is using LiPo cells to cut the draw at peak charge times too. Apparently it is very close to cost effective now (with power prices still rising in Australia) regards Doug On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 08:16:02 +0800 Tony cr...@vianet.net.au wrote: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/16410796/solar-panels-may-cost-all-households/ Solar panels may cost all households Daniel Mercer, The West Australian Updated March 21, 2013, 2:10 am http://l.yimg.com/ea/img/-/130321/a_230209habecoideas1_18kjmp7-18kjmpb.jpg Solar panels may cost all households Solar panels WA households could have to pay a higher fixed charge for their electricity bills under a shake-up that would be aimed at recouping the spiralling cost of solar panels to the network. Amid concern from Western Power that households with solar panels are not paying their share of the grid's upkeep costs, it is understood the State Government may look at reforming the structure of bills. One option likely to be considered is charging a higher service fee, which currently amounts to 41.5 a day, or about $150 a year, for household customers of Synergy and Horizon. To offset the increase, the Government would lower variable charges, which according to last year's State Budget account for $1443 of the typical household electricity bill a year. However, though households which cut their electricity use would not necessarily be worse off under such a change - and might be better off - those unable to cut their use could be slugged even more. The possible reform is expected to be discussed as part of the energy roundtable convened by former energy minister Peter Collier to consider ways of reforming the State's electricity sector. Although the forum has met only once since it was established in October, there were predictions it would be maintained under Mike Nahan as Energy Minister. The boss of Western Power, Paul Italiano, warned in October that households with solar panels were able to shirk paying their fair share for the upkeep of WA's network of poles and wires. Mr Italiano said households with photovoltaic cells drew less energy from the grid and so had lower electricity bills, despite needing the same level of service as people without the systems. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel -- Doug lema...@internode.on.net ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] remove from mailing list please
Correct on both counts. It helps if you ask a quesation... I can answer this for you from my perspective. The Biodiesel list started (not sure how long, but I have been a member for years) as a resource for people making Biodiesel, which is why I joined originally. I guess most on the list are a bit like me, people concerned about sustainability, wishing to leve the world in a state that the next few generations can live a prosperous, safe happy existence. It seems however that this is not necessarily true any more. In my case, I built a processing setup made some Biodiesel. Then I bought a new diesel car, that has electronic injection. The economics were not in risking my fuel in a car that cost a lot if it broke... The Journey-to-forever site is a huge resource for people like me: everything from sustainability, farming, lifestyle etc. This is a worldwide resource, not just for the US. It shows that the whole world needs to think about the future (Was it the American Indians that said you must remember 3 generations past, prepare for 3 generations in the future?). My feeling, as someone in the post middle age is that we are now rushing to the cliff like a mob of lemmings. The environment seems to be ignored in the quest for money, Creeks that were pristine in my youth 50 years ago are now polluted (even the ones in the wilderness). Many people do not even connect food with farmers now: everything seems to come from a factory. Iam not saying that we need to stop progress, or revert to a simpler life. I merely want to get the idea accepted that there are costs to the world caused by our current use of resources with the current world population there is a need to plan the way ahead carefully so we can guarantee that future generations will have an equivalent lifestyle to what we have enjoyed, but hopefully with more equitable use of resources. One of my worries for the future is that the political systems seem intent on continuing the same way as has been for many years past: Politics seems to be steered by vested interests who want to continue controlling everything necessary for life: our food (there are only a handful of companies who control most of the worlds seeds), water is now being privatised, power generation is in the hands of huge companies who are fearful of the ability of householders to generate their own power, Transport is being controlled by the Oil companies who do not want Electric cars taking their profits, etc etc. So to end it, the Members of this list are here because they are concerned about the future. I am sure that you have concerns too, but saw this list as limited to Biodiesel. So your choice is either to leave, or to stay ask the questions. I am sure that there are experts who will help you. I know I would help where I could, but I am not an expert. The reason I like this list is because most information has links to the original information. The problem with the web is that there is so much misinformation. regards Doug (in sunny Australia) On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 15:51:46 -0400 Stephen Rhodes captb...@gmail.com wrote: When I signed up for this, I mistakenly thought there would be some info on sustainable bio-diesel info. This is just a blog for people who want to be heard. Please remove my name from a this mailing lost. Ty SR ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel -- Doug lema...@internode.on.net ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Message from Keith
Keith, I can understand the busy side of life. I wish I had time to take something else on, but I am still working full time as well as involved with the Coal Seam Gas people here in Northern NSW, Australia, being involved in a Sustainability group locally, then my a/h activities including building 2 disabled accessible flats to rent out (part of my Superannuation...) Good Luck, I really have appreciated your feeds, so look forward to having you back. Remember, if ever in Australia, pls look us up. regards Doug On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:20:47 +0200 Keith Addison ke...@journeytoforever.org wrote: Hi Darryl Thanks for taking this on. I really hope you get your volunteers - all else aside, I think it would generally be much less lopsided if more people contributed. It's not very different from telling a friend about a story you read in the newspaper. Hi Keith, I am trying to imagine what is keeping you so busy that it is keeping you away from these news services. Major writing job hitting a deadline. I really appreciate the service you were providing to us. Thanks for saying so. I enjoy doing it, but right now it's too much of a chore. Hard times, somewhat, at the moment. For one thing, last week a young woman driving a new Toyota bashed into my car at an intersection. Nobody hurt, thank heavens, but the whole passenger side is bashed in. I'm trying to figure out how to get it to the panelbeaters, but at the moment I don't have a car, which just isn't feasible in this village in the middle of nowhere. :-( Not very walkable here. Maybe I should move to the city... Thanks again Darryl, and best of good luck with all your endeavours. I hope you'll be able to post the dilbit article here when you get it done. Evil stuff... Regards Keith I'm also too busy to do this. So this is my proposal to the list. I will take on one of the four feeds Keith has listed below. (OK, done - I just signed up for the t r u t h o u t feed. I will vet that daily and forward what I think is interesting to the list. Note the RISK here for other readers - what *I* think is interesting. I have survived my term as President of the Electric Vehicle Council of Ottawa (2 years), and it was a ride. I am slowly shedding some of my responsibilities (and picking up new ones). However, I think I can find a few minutes a day to take on vetting and forwarding the news feed. So, I am looking for at least 3 volunteers to take on one each of the other feeds. If we get 8 volunteers, we can take turns on the news feeds for the benefit of the whole distribution list. Any other takers? Darryl McMahon (who still hasn't finished his article on the dilbit disaster, so really has no business taking this on yet - but the timing is not within my control) On 01/03/2013 6:35 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Dear All I'm really busy at the moment, totally occupied, and I just don't have the time to keep up with posting daily news roundups. So you won't be hearing much from me for the next few weeks. Sorry about that. If you like, you could sign up to receive the main daily news feeds from source, or check them on the web: Common Dreams http://www.commondreams.org/ Subscribe http://action.commondreams.org/signup_page/subscribe t r u t h o u t http://truth-out.org/ Subscription box in top right-hand corner World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/en/ Subscribe - click on WSWS Newsletter near the top on the right Information Clearing House http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ ICH newsletter If you scroll down, you'll see a Google search box on the left, followed by a subscription box: Sign up for our Daily Email Newsletter All best Keith ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel -- Doug lema...@internode.on.net ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Fight Against Climate Change Blocked by Luddites at Big Oil
I think you worry too much! I am sure the Accountants Lawyers will work out a perfectly reasonable solution. I look back at the 1950's when I used to go down to the creek see Patypus my mate could tickle fish (this is Australia). Now we have an unholy fight against rape by Multi-Nationals with the Mining: the latest saga being the Coal Seam Gas, which our Governments (State Federal being run by different parties, so they are both singing from the same book) really pushing for the 'resource' to be utilised. There seems to be evidence from other areas (like the Southern States of the US) that there is virtually no environmentally responsibility from these companies. There seems to be evidence of gas leaks from the Fracking process in areas such as Tara in Queensland: I have a friend who lives there his dam is polluted from the leaking Methane (or worse). The issue is that Australia has huge coal deposits right down the Eastern coast, one of the prime areas for picking is the Northern Rivers area of New South Wales. This is where I live now: a reasonably pristine food bowl that has many environmentally aware residents. There are Mining exploration leases covering most of the East Coast. The local company wants to start mining. Unlike the US, in Australia the land owner has no control over what mining is allowed on his land, the recompense for inconvenience is pitiful (possibly $Au 15K/year, but there are cases where it is much less, or even nil). Add to that the potential damage to Acquifers, the loss of prime agricultural land, it is of little wonder that 93% of residents in the area are against the mining. Another lovable thing the Mining companies do is to deflate the land value: In My Friends case in Tara (Qld), his land is now virtually worthless, yet the Gas company makes over $Au 1Mil per well/year I have been told. He is now stuck there: the air is polluted, his water is polluted, his roads are stuffed because the Mining companies do not finance infrastructure, he cannot sell his asset for a reasonable price. I think the NSW residents are in for a big fight: I think this will be bigger than the old growth forests anti-logging campaign of the 1970s. regards Doug On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 23:33:55 Keith Addison wrote: Fight Against Climate Change Blocked by Luddites at Big Oil by Linda McQuaig Published on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 by the Toronto Star http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/11/21-7 The Fight to Save the Planet From the Fossil Fuel Industry Heats Up With Divestment Campaign Wednesday, 21 November 2012 11:40 By Sara Jerving and Mary Bottari, PRWatch | News Analysis http://truth-out.org/news/item/12888-the-fight-to-save-the-planet-from-the- fossil-fuel-industry-heats-up-with-divestment-campaign --0-- http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2012/11/21-1 November 21, 2012 CONTACT: Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) Third Report Warns that Leaders' Lack of Action Is Locking In Worst Consequences of Climate Change WASHINGTON - November 21 - A string of recent reports paints a clear picture that the world is not on track to fulfill leaders' stated goal of limiting global warming to 2 degrees C (3.6 F) above pre-industrial levels, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS). The alarm bells scientists have been ringing for years are turning into a chorus, said Alden Meyer, Director of Strategy and Policy at UCS. World leaders set a goal of avoiding 2 degrees of warming, but the commitments they've made to meet that goal are inadequate. Without much more aggressive action, we will lose the fight to avert the worst consequences of climate change. A United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) report released today says that countries aren't doing enough to keep the world from warming 2 degrees C above pre-industrial levels. Even if they met the most ambitious versions of current pledges, the report concludes, emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in 2020 will be about 52 gigatons (Gt) -- some 8 Gt more than is needed to have a likely chance of keeping temperature increases below 2 degrees C. The gap could be as high as 13 Gt if more lenient assumptions about current pledges are used. For comparison, current emissions are about 50 Gt per year. This projected gap for 2020 is 2 Gt higher than in last year's UNEP report. Not only are nations failing to close the gap between their actions and the 2 degrees goal, Meyer said, but the gap is actually widening. The UNEP report echoes two others: - Last week, the International Energy Agency's World Energy Outlook 2012 concluded, if action to reduce CO2 emissions is not taken before 2017, all the allowable CO2 emissions would be locked-in by energy infrastructure existing at that time. The agency found that two-thirds of known fossil fuel reserves would have to stay in the ground to retain the possibility of limiting
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
even in Sunny Australia. regards Doug On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 07:01:41 Alex Rodriguez wrote: Got your message down in Mexico. Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:55, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. I'm supposing this is due to the DNS changes that I made for the new list not fully propagating across everything as of yet. Also, the new email address (@lists.sustainability.org, rather than @sustainability.org) isn't filtering into the archive as of yet. So, none of this chatter is being archived as of yet. Which is fine. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. And Zeke, all I got was a modest amount of rain, wind never topped 20mph. So we're doing fine. Back home in WV, the snow fall is being measured in feet, and is still pounding down. Good be some happy telemarkers this week. But things are going to be messed up, and There Will Be Flood. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
Message received in Ontario, Canada. Doug - -Original Message- - From: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org - [mailto:sustainablelorgbiofuel- - boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of Chip Mefford - Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:55 AM - To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org - Subject: [Biofuel] Testing the new list -... - I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show - all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. -... - ___ - Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list - Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org - http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi- - bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Dear all...
Keith, I would like the dailies too please. I will miss the JTF resource. This is one real problem witrh the web: so much information just disappears. One real issue I find now is that the newer information is now on closed sites. regards Doug On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:52:33 Bob Molloy wrote: Hi Keith, Count me in. Regards, Bob. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 4:27 a.m. To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Dear all... It's October, the list is going to run out of time soon and the host service will close it down. I'm not sure of the exact date, but suddenly the music will stop. The new community I mentioned previously is still some way down the road, but it will eventually happen. When it does, you'll be hearing from me. Meanwhile, the list will stop, but I won't. I'll keep harvesting the news, I do it anyway. If any list members would like to keep receiving these daily snippets, I don't mind sending them direct. Please let me know - offlist please. All best, and a very big thanks for everything, over the years. This list has taught me so much (deep bow). Regards to all. Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Market Is Lying: Why We Must Tax Carbon, Not Subsidize It
Keith, I had a double take when I read your answer. (as in Dougs of the world untie!) Australia is also going through the pains of setting up a Carbon Tax to start in 2012. Unfortunately we have an extremely vociferuous ( might I add obnoxious) Opposition Leader in Tony Abbott (nickname Rabbit, or Wingnut). You may guess I am not a fan. The odds of the carbon Tax actually coming to fruition are not good, unfortunately. We have a Minority Government, an Opposition that is pulling out all stops to axe the tax, unfortunately I feel is also talking down the economy too. Australia is currently performing really well, the average Australian is possibly better off now than at any time in recent history. If you heard the Opposition speaking, you would think we were going down the plughole. I am no fan of either major political party in Australia, but I hope we never have Tony Abbott as PM. Malcolm Turnbull, who is on the opposition front bench, a firm supporter of the need to cut pollution from CO2, made a speech to the Press Club last week, supporting the need for action against Global warming. Hopefully he will soon be Opposition leader in Australia so the Rabbit loses his voice. regards Doug On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:26:23 PM Keith Addison wrote: Sweden has been using a carbon tax since 1991. It works. See http://www.carbontax.org http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/25/0/2108273.pdf If markets are to deliver a least-cost economy then prices have to be corrected to include costs external to market transactions. Taxes are the simplest and most efficient way to do this. Alfred Pigou introduced the concept in the 1920s. We're a little slow catching on. :-) Funny, that. Thanks Doug - all best Keith Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On 7/9/2011 8:53 PM, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.truth-out.org/market-lying-why-we-must-tax-carbon-not-subsidiz e-it/1309962187 [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love nuclear power (George Monbiot)
A debate between George Monbiot and nuclear opponent Helen Caldicott on nuclear power on DemocracyNow this morning. http://www.democracynow.org/ doug swanson Keith Addison wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/21/pro-nuclear-japan-fukushima Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love nuclear power Japan's disaster would weigh more heavily if there were less harmful alternatives. Atomic power is part of the mix GEORGE MONBIOT Mar 22 2011 You will not be surprised to hear that the events in Japan have changed my view of nuclear power. You will be surprised to hear how they have changed it. As a result of the disaster at Fukushima, I am no longer nuclear-neutral. I now support the technology. A crappy old plant with inadequate safety features was hit by a monster earthquake and a vast tsunami. The electricity supply failed, knocking out the cooling system. The reactors began to explode and melt down. The disaster exposed a familiar legacy of poor design and corner-cutting. Yet, as far as we know, no one has yet received a lethal dose of radiation. Some greens have wildly exaggerated the dangers of radioactive pollution. For a clearer view, look at the graphic published by xkcd.com. It shows that the average total dose from the Three Mile Island disaster for someone living within 10 miles of the plant was one 625th of the maximum yearly amount permitted for US radiation workers. This, in turn, is half of the lowest one-year dose clearly linked to an increased cancer risk, which, in its turn, is one 80th of an invariably fatal exposure. I'm not proposing complacency here. I am proposing perspective. If other forms of energy production caused no damage, these impacts would weigh more heavily. But energy is like medicine: if there are no side-effects, the chances are that it doesn't work. Like most greens, I favour a major expansion of renewables. I can also sympathise with the complaints of their opponents. It's not just the onshore windfarms that bother people, but also the new grid connections (pylons and power lines). As the proportion of renewable electricity on the grid rises, more pumped storage will be needed to keep the lights on. That means reservoirs on mountains: they aren't popular, either. The impacts and costs of renewables rise with the proportion of power they supply, as the need for storage and redundancy increases. It may well be the case (I have yet to see a comparative study) that up to a certain grid penetration -- 50% or 70%, perhaps? -- renewables have smaller carbon impacts than nuclear, while beyond that point, nuclear has smaller impacts than renewables. Like others, I have called for renewable power to be used both to replace the electricity produced by fossil fuel and to expand the total supply, displacing the oil used for transport and the gas used for heating fuel. Are we also to demand that it replaces current nuclear capacity? The more work we expect renewables to do, the greater the impact on the landscape will be, and the tougher the task of public persuasion. Nuclear safer than coal But expanding the grid to connect people and industry to rich, distant sources of ambient energy is also rejected by most of the greens who complained about the blog post I wrote last week in which I argued that nuclear remains safer than coal. What they want, they tell me, is something quite different: we should power down and produce our energy locally. Some have even called for the abandonment of the grid. Their bucolic vision sounds lovely, until you read the small print. At high latitudes like ours, most small-scale ambient power production is a dead loss. Generating solar power in the UK involves a spectacular waste of scarce resources. It's hopelessly inefficient and poorly matched to the pattern of demand. Wind power in populated areas is largely worthless. This is partly because we have built our settlements in sheltered places; partly because turbulence caused by the buildings interferes with the airflow and chews up the mechanism. Micro-hydropower might work for a farmhouse in Wales, but it's not much use in Birmingham. And how do we drive our textile mills, brick kilns, blast furnaces and electric railways -- not to mention advanced industrial processes? Rooftop solar panels? The moment you consider the demands of the whole economy is the moment at which you fall out of love with local energy production. A national (or, better still, international) grid is the essential prerequisite for a largely renewable energy supply. Some greens go even further: why waste renewable resources by turning them into electricity? Why not use them to provide energy directly? To answer this question, look at what happened in Britain before the industrial revolution. The damming and weiring of British rivers for watermills was small-scale, renewable, picturesque and devastating. By blocking
Re: [Biofuel] Carbon injected underground is leaking: Sask. farmers
Darryl McMahon wrote: Somehow, being able to say 'I told you so' doesn't seem very satisfying.* I suspect this won't be positive for real estate prices around Weyburn, Saskatchewan. Darryl http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110111/carbon-injected-underground-is-leaking-110111/ My tendency is to observe how nature deals with the stuff we humans all too often refer to as waste. Nature has buried enormous amounts of carbon, but only a tiny fraction of that is combined with oxygen (CO2) in comparison to what's buried combined with hydrogen (Hydrocarbons). The plant life in the planet's past has been quite capable of absorbing the atmosphere's carbon dioxide, and then releasing the oxygen. It's what made the planet capable of supporting the kind of diversity in animal life we've discovered living here with us. If the carbon that millions of years of nature's sequestration processes have buried are released in a relatively short time, CO2 levels could likely go back to the levels that existed before the diversity of animal life existed. Burying the CO2 however just seems to be a hasty decision to make the bad stuff go away. Like throwing our trash in the oceans, until we discovered that the oceans aren't infinite. Like blowing exhaust into the atmosphere, until we discovered it wasn't infinite either. But to get to the point I want to put out there, if these carbon atoms are now attached to oxygen, (yes, that stuff that we need) and they're buried in the ground, how long until there's just inadequate oxygen left available, not only for our fellow creatures on this planet, but also for the cars that have been making CO2 right there along with us? doug -- Bad politicians give the other percent a bad reputation * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Paying for fire response service (was Alabama Town's Failed Pension..)
Darryl, you are way out in your estimates: Our local Volunteer FS looks after ~ a 20Km radius, in a reasonably populated (for rural) area. In our area of about 50Km radius there would be possibly 10 rural FD, the paid FS in the townships. Equipment would normally be changed at ~15 yrs. The issue is that service parts are hard to source after ~10 yrs, so that would be a reasonable service life for much equipment. Our rural FS are funded by both the State Federal governments, mainly by grants. Their is also a fire levy collected from the House insurance industry. I think our system works well: it is a form of ´user pays´, but also a form of social engineering. There is no requirement in Australia for a homeowner to actually have insurance, but their property will always be protected by the Fire Service. The insurance Co´s accept the levy because it limits their risks. As a comment on Rural Insurance, my policy is a reasonable cost considering what is covered. For comparitive suburban policies, I guess the premium would be similar for equivalent value properties. regards Doug On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:21:58 am Darryl McMahon wrote: I'm interested in the economic mechanism(s) at play here. (I'm sure I have my own political biases, but I'm trying to ignore them for the moment.) Let's consider this as sort of a poor-man's version of game theory. Let's assume I have a house, and I want to keep it intact. What measures can I take to protect it (in this case, specifically from fire)? I could build it out of fireproof materials. As almost nobody does this, I assume it is generally considered to be cost-prohibitive. I could build in a fire-suppression system. Having experienced an inundation in a past place of work, those come with their own disadvantages (there was no fire, just flooding, paper records and electronic equipment were destroyed just as effectively). I could 'outlaw' all points of ignition within the structure, and surrounding it to the extent of my control. I would have to rethink my current space and water heating systems, and have a serious debate with my wife regarding accent candle lighting and kerosene emergency lamps, matches and lighters. Actually, it would be more than that. So far, not particularly practical, economical or required by code. Large communities, with decades of practical experience, have not followed those paths, but instead put massive resources into staffing and supplying fire departments. We have significant public education programs regarding the use of smoke detectors, carbon monoxide detectors, basic fire prevention and to a lesser extent the acquisition, use and maintenance of fire extinguishers. I am assuming these are the result of rational expertise based on experience. Proceeding from the assumption that a fire-response service is a rational response to the threat of structure fires and related hazards to residents, it becomes necessary to fund that service. How to go about it, on a sustainable basis? Let's suppose a fire house includes 3 major trucks (pumper, ladder, utility/rescue), has a staff of roughly 30 (to support 7x24 response) and can reasonably service a radius of 8 km, with up to 8,000 structures. (I'm completely guessing here, but a quick search turned up a ratio of 1.5 firefighters per 1,000 population for the U.S., and one engine company per 15,000 to 20,000 population). A building, massive supporting infrastructure (e.g., water mains), 3 expensive pieces of rolling stock, and 30 full-time salaries plus benefits, and administrative overhead. As a wild guess, let's say that represents an annual expenditure of $4,000,000. That's about $500 a household per year. That figure is inflated as it includes more than fire services (such full-time services include domestic water supply, emergency health response and rescue capabilities). Moving to the volunteer model, the annual cost is likely to be more in the range of $150,000 a year (assuming the trucks and building have a service life of 30 years). Let's assume the $75 annual fee from the story. It takes 2,000 subscribers to support that cost. For a rural volunteer fire department, that seems in the ballpark to me. Let's suppose we get 10 call-outs a year for structure fires in the rural situation (1 per 200 structures per year, which seems high to me). If we only charge those whose structures actually require a call-out (user-pay to the extreme), the cost to them will be $15,000 per call-out. (At that price, I expect some will decline the service when it arrives, and will take higher personal risks trying to fight the fire themselves.) If they are not home to approve the charges, it is allowed to burn down without intervention. Seems less than optimal to me. Or we can move to the community pays model. Everybody pays $75 a year, and no questions about fighting the fire, whether anybody is home
Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning(NYT-article)
Luckily , in Australia, virtually all the Rural Fire services are staffed by volunteers (although there are some paid positions in support areas, Govt funded). I live on rural acreage, some fdunds go to the RFS as donations, but there is no compulsion. I was really surprised with the claim about US rural FS: Australia has on occasions sent brigades from Australia to help fight the big fires in the US ( the US has reciprocated for Australia on occasions). The insurance link to fire brigades also happened in Australia in the 1800´s: there was a plaque attached to the front of the house proving you had insurance. (These are now a collectors item). House insurance now contains a levy that helps fund the Urban fire services. AS I stated, Rural Fire Services are volunteers, with some Govt funding for equipment overheads. regards Doug On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 05:53:34 am Erik Lane wrote: On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Ivan Menchero [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Ivan PS: I am surprise the have not privatize the fire department in the USA! so you pay a monthly insurance' and if you do not pay and there is a fire in your house you are out of luck! Unfortunately there are at least some fire departments that already do work like that. Here's a story about one that let a house burn, and the outrage over it was slim to none, that I saw. I'm very disappointed in the way things are going. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/ No pay, no spray: Firefighters let home burn Tennessee house in ashes after homeowner 'forgot' to pay $75 fee Below: 1. - x - Jump to video People step up to help Gene Cranick http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/#slice-2 - video http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/#slice-2 2. - x Jump to vote Results below http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/#slice-3 - vote http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/#slice-3 3. - x Next story in Life Storm, blizzard warnings stretch along Atlantic http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40810424/ns/weather/ - related http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/#slice-4 - - Advertisement | ad info http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26613008/ msnbc.com msnbc.com updated 10/6/2010 12:48:23 PM ET 2010-10-06T16:48:23 - Share [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Print http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/# - Font: - + - - Firefighters in rural Tennessee let a home burn to the ground last week because the homeowner hadn't paid a $75 fee. Gene Cranick of Obion County and his family lost all of their possessions in the Sept. 29 fire, along with three dogs and a cat. They could have been saved if they had put water on it, but they didn't do it, Cranick told MSNBC's Keith Olbermann. The fire started when the Cranicks' grandson was burning trash near the family home. As it grew out of control, the Cranicks called 911, but the fire department from the nearby city of South Fulton would not respond. We wasn't on their list, he said the operators told him. Cranick, who lives outside the city limits, admits he forgot to pay the annual $75 fee. The county does not have a county-wide firefighting service, but South Fulton offers fire coverage to rural residents for a fee. Cranick says he told the operator he would pay whatever is necessary to have the fire put out. advertisement | ad info http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26613008/ Advertisement | ad info http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26613008/ Advertisement | ad info http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26613008/ His offer wasn't accepted, he said. The fire fee policy dates back 20 or so years. Anybody that's not inside the city limits of South Fulton, it's a service we offer. Either they accept it or they don't, said South Fulton Mayor David Crocker. The fire department's decision to let the home burn was incredibly irresponsible, said the president of an association representing firefighters. Professional, career firefighters shouldn’t be forced to check a list before running out the door to see which homeowners have paid up, Harold Schaitberger, International Association of Fire Fighters president, said in a statement. They get in their trucks and go. Firefighters did eventually show up, but only to fight the fire on the neighboring property, whose owner had paid the fee. Story: 'No pay, no spray' case: Firefighters 'threatened' http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39535911/ns/us_news-life/ They put water out on the fence line out here. They never said nothing to me. Never acknowledged. They stood out here and watched it burn, Cranick said. South Fulton's mayor said that the fire department can't let homeowners pay the fee on the spot, because the only people who would pay would be those whose homes are on fire
Re: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)
I just do not understand the US system. I am an Australian, we have a mandated Pension system that inputs from memory 9% of a workers wages into a Superannuation scheme (of our choosing). Most seem to use an Industry fund (sort of Union related: has low fees usually good returns, depending on the market.). To my kmowledge there has been no Super Fund collapse in Australia as yet. The Australian Health scheme is similar to the Canadian one. The cost to residents is low, you can also increase the benefits with Private insurance if you so desire (but the basic benefits are adequate). The cost to our Government is less than the US per-person cost, every Australian citizen is covered. If I was an American (US) citizen, I feel I would want much more for my tax $ than is currently seen in the US system: I really cannot see where the inefficiencies could be, feel that a fairer system should be achievable. I wonder why Obama is having so much difficulty changing the US medical system? regards Doug On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:18:40 am Keith Addison wrote: Hello Dan, Michelle and all Michele, I don't know that the Federal Government would be - on the hook - PBGC only insures Pensions from Private companies in this case it's the retired workers who could be out. It's a lesson in the need for good financial planning and not putting all of your eggs in 1 basket. This reminds me of the Enron collapse. So many people had all of their retirement tied up in Enron, when the company went under, so did they. So you blame the pensions themselves, instead of Enron and the Washington people (?) who enabled the whole scam? Pensions should not exist. I'm not 100% in touch with all the details of this issue because there's simply been too much of it and I've had no reason to focus on it that closely. But IMHO that would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater. In other countries than the US, pensions not only exist, they also function as intended, providing millions with an essential resource that they depend on. Just because the whole system of welfare, healthcare and benefits in the US is now dysfunctional is no reason to damn them as worse than useless. Shouldn't you rather be aspiring to help restore their valuable functions instead of just baling out? They are plagued with problems and seldom funded correctly. At least with a 401k I can make my investment decisions and I know that what I get depends on what I contribute. How many deserving people would that exclude? How many Americans have died (been killed?) so far because they were effectively denied healthcare? A Grim Record: One In Seven Americans Is On Food Stamps December 8, 2010 http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/12/08/131905683/a-grim-record-one-in-s even-americans-is-on-food-stamps No prizes for guessing what kind of food they eat. Best wishes Keith Dan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Stephenson Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article) For those of you who live in the US an article of interest... For those who live outside looking in, it's no big surprise Private Company and Industry pensions plans have all but gone away. The substitute is the 401K that no one is really responsible for except the investor to make the best choice for Self. However, for those who work for local and state govt agencies this is something to watch and investigate especially if you are currently receiving a pension or will receive a pension in the next years to come. What is as important if not more important to watch is how these issues will be resolved. In the article below, if the judicial system does not get involved, then mediation is an option which usually results in a cut in benefits. I doubt for those struggling funds one mediation is all it will take. Mediation could possibly take place with every local and state legislative session resulting in a cut every time. For those funds that do get processed in the court system it will likely go to the respective State Supreme Court and ultimately the US Supreme Court. If localities are legitimately declared bankrupt and no longer required to pay pensions it is the federal govt's responsibility to do so. In effect, we all pay for lack of managment and corruption in Anywhere, USA. And once this precedent is established there will be a landslide of 'toxic' pensions to be dealt with (or not). It is the future. If you don't think so, Iceland is bankrupt from investing in bonds that were rated as A by unscrupulous wall street fund managers/business men/swindlers when they should have been rated as Junk level. Greece is bankrupt. Ireland is bankrupt. Portugal is bankrupt. Spain will possibly be bankrupt by this time next year. And the US's current financial situation, if scrutinized
Re: [Biofuel] greenhouse farming
For the last several years I've been contemplating building a greenhouse, not merely to extend the growing season, but also, like you, to grow vegetables around the calendar year. I've collected a number of pieces of mismatched glass panes, and last year helped my neighbor replace a number of dual-pane pieces he had in his livingroom that had lost their seal. He let me have the old ones, which I then separated. I also acquired a good supply of lumber, free for the taking, and stored that until I worked out the design of the greenhouse I wanted to use. I dug trenches where the walls were to be installed, and using large blocks of styrofoam scavenged from a hot tub cover, insulated under the walls by placing the styrofoam pieces into the trenches. in the middle of the greenhouse floor, I shoveled a hole large enough to lay 2 55 gallon drums, which were then plumbed in series and out under the rear wall of the greenhouse to a location where the solar concentrator will heat water that will be pumped into the drums for radiant floor heat. The amount of electricity required to move the concentrator to follow the sun and the small 12 volt sump pump for circulating the water will be minimal. The dimensions of the greenhouse are 12' x 12', a size determined by the size of the glass panes I was given. They are tempered glass, and I can't do anything about their size with the tools I have. (It can't be cut by normal glass cutting techniques) I had considered using SunTuff, but the price of it was well out of my range. The solar concentrator is a 10' satellite dish, with 4 square mirrors glued to the surface. the boiler at the focus is a small reconstructed pressure tank that is mounted on a 1/2 pipe measured to the length of the focal distance from the center of the concentrator. The majority of the tracking is done with the linear actuator that was already a part of the satellite dish. Additional electronics that observe the sky and a comparator that moves the actuator according to the brightness level falling upon the 2 sensors keeps the dish aligned with the sun as it moves across the sky. Because I'm using single pane glass, I do lose a lot of heat at night, but I am building insulating panels from corrugated cardboard (laminated at 90 degrees to each other) for stability, a layer of fiberglass insulation, and wrapped in plastic to hold it together. magnets embedded in the cardboard pieces align with screw heads in the greenhouse framing, such that the panels stay in place when set, but are also easily removed when the night is over. It's not automatic, but since I am hoping to spend next winter living in the greenhouse, that's not an issue. It will be like opening the curtains on a house in the morning. As I near the completion of the entire system, (including composting in the air intake vent to provide additional CO2 for the plants) I find that I've spent less than $300 for all of it. It has taken some time to find the materials I need, but by keeping an eye on what other people are willing to throw away well before it deserves to be, (and having plenty of barn space to store such materials in) I've been able to get most of the materials for the taking. In fact, a friend came by the other day, and picked up the rest of the glass I had collected and hadn't used for a larger greenhouse he's wanting to build to provide fresh vegetables for his family throughout the year. The Rodale Press published book The Solar Greenhouse Book has provided me with plenty of ideas and experiences of others who have had similar desires. I recommend it. (I found my copy at the local thrift store for a dollar) I wish you all the best in your project. I thoroughly enjoy working in my greenhouse on a chilly windy morning and absorbing the sun and humidity that it provides for me once the sun is shining into it. I'm not nearly as far north as you are, I live in N Georgia, but I am in a mountainous area, and we do get winter here too. Well, I'm off to dig through my neighbor's plumbing parts, just a few connections, and I'll be pumping solar heat under my greenhouse floors in the next day or so! doug swanson Dan Beukelman wrote: Hello All, I have read your posts for several years, but have not ever posted - lurking in the shadows I guess. I am wondering if anyone out there has any thoughts/experience with production agriculture from a greenhouse/hothouse structure. I live in South Dakota and have been thinking that with energy efficient glass and the right setup that growing fresh vegetables likes tomatoes year around might be possible (I say this with a wind chill today near 0 fahrenheit). I have read that many of the US tomato supply is grown in Canada, which is colder than us, our area is dominated by grain farming - but I think that local foods stores would go nuts over a locally grown garden type tomato in the Wintertime
Re: [Biofuel] A metalworking question
Keith Addison wrote: Hello all If you don't mind my asking, I could use a little help with some info at the Journey to Forever website. It's about Chinese watering cans, at this page: Appropriate technology Chinese watering cans http://journeytoforever.org/at_can.html High-power rose -- tricky to make, it says. We haven't figured out how to make new roses yet, but we're working on it. We're trying twin male/female moulds using our friend Graeme Morris's recipe for a rock-hard putty made of glass-fibre resin and lime -- that way we should be able to get the holes right. See Watering can plans for details. http://journeytoforever.org/at_canplan.html I've looked at the pictures in the links, and since I'm not familiar with those types of cans I'm still struggling to get an idea of scale. What is the diameter of the rose's convex section? I'm thinking of objects that already exist, and thinking of the technique used for making steel drum (jamaican musical instrument..) but applying it to something smaller, like the end of a tin can. The corrugations in the end of the can may allow it to be hammered into a convex shape with little problem. ...or the bottom of a soda can, already has the curve, but I'm thinking that perhaps the size is smaller than you're looking for. However, if that size would work, simply fill the can, and set it in the freezer until the water freezes, then punch the holes against the ice. after the holes are punched, the curved bottom could be easily cut off, if the ice is still solid, then applied to the section of the watering can assembly. Since I don't drink soda, or buy foods in tin cans, I don't have any around here to try this out with, but maybe it'll help you on your project! doug swanson -- Bad politicians give the other percent a bad reputation * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Aljazeera on Haiti's history of rice
On why, with fertile lands, Haitians are going hungry... (a clue, USA's cheap rice imports): In 2008, in the midst of the global food crisis, we travelled to Haiti to look at the politics of rice - how such a fertile country became dependent on food aid. In the wake of this current disaster, that dependence is - initially - going to deepen. But as relief efforts slowly turn to plans for reconstruction, it is important to look back at the policies that brought Haiti to the brink in the first place, and the people who had their own vision of self-sufficiency all along. Avi Lewis talks about the US role in the development of Haiti with PJ Crowley, the spokesman at the US state department, and Emira Woods, the co-director of Foreign Policy In Focus at the Institute for Policy Studies, and an expert on US foreign policy. Video on the following link: http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/general/2010/01/201012218944699452.html That from 2008, and now, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILLmoquqpAo -- Bad politicians give the other percent a bad reputation * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Licella: Crude oil from waste...(Poss even Algae!)
http://licella.info/patent-application.php Hi, possibly it was a slow news day today, but on SBS there was a story about the above Company. I have supplied a link to the company site. (not sure if it was mentioned on the list before) regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Eating animals is making us sick - CNN.com
Not that this is new news, however, the news to me is that the MSM is actually covering it! on factory farming: http://us.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/10/28/opinion.jonathan.foer/index.html -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye electrolysis for rust removal
Hi, I must admit I haven't used it yet, but washing soda (sodium carbonate, soda ash) can be used with an iron container or rods (not stainless, or you get nasty by-product). A battery charger is used for the power source. look here: http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp Hope that helps, Doug On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:35:52 am Chris Burck wrote: out of curiosity, i did a web search for lye and rust. the search gave 650,000 hits, including some discussion right here. some people add zinc to the lye solution, the idea being, apparently, that the zinc replaces the iron in the iron oxide. anyone have any thoughts on whether there's any real benefit to this method vs. this one: http://www.mail-archive.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg2 4132.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Health Ills Abound as Farm Runoff Fouls Wells - NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/us/18dairy.html?_r=1hpw Published: September 17, 2009 MORRISON, Wis. — All it took was an early thaw for the drinking water here to become unsafe. There are 41,000 dairy cows in Brown County, which includes Morrison, and they produce more than 260 million gallons of manure each year, much of which is spread on nearby grain fields. Other farmers receive fees to cover their land with slaughterhouse waste and treated sewage. In measured amounts, that waste acts as fertilizer http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/f/fertilizer/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier. But if the amounts are excessive, bacteria and chemicals can flow into the ground and contaminate residents’ tap water. In Morrison, more than 100 wells were polluted by agricultural runoff within a few months, according to local officials. As parasites and bacteria seeped into drinking water, residents suffered from chronic diarrhea http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/symptoms/diarrhea/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier, stomach illnesses and severe ear infections. “Sometimes it smells like a barn coming out of the faucet,” said Lisa Barnard, who lives a few towns over, and just 15 miles from the city of Green Bay. Tests of her water showed it contained E. coli, coliform bacteria and other contaminants found in manure. Last year, her 5-year-old son developed ear infections that eventually required an operation. Her doctor told her they were most likely caused by bathing in polluted water, she said. Yet runoff from all but the largest farms is essentially unregulated by many of the federal laws intended to prevent pollution and protect drinking water sources. The Clean Water Act of 1972 largely regulates only chemicals or contaminants that move through pipes or ditches, which means it does not typically apply to waste that is sprayed on a field and seeps into groundwater. As a result, many of the agricultural pollutants that contaminate drinking water sources are often subject only to state or county regulations. And those laws have failed to protect some residents living nearby. To address this problem, the federal Environmental Protection Agency http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/e/environmental_protection_agency/index.html?inline=nyt-org has created special rules for the biggest farms, like those with at least 700 cows. But thousands of large animal feedlots that should be regulated by those rules are effectively ignored because farmers never file paperwork, E.P.A. officials say. And regulations passed during the administration of President George W. Bush http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/george_w_bush/index.html?inline=nyt-per allow many of those farms to self-certify that they will not pollute, and thereby largely escape regulation. In a statement, the E.P.A. wrote that officials were working closely with the Agriculture Department and other federal agencies to reduce pollution and bring large farms into compliance. Agricultural runoff is the single largest source of water pollution in the nation’s rivers and streams, according to the E.P.A. An estimated 19.5 million Americans fall ill each year from waterborne parasites, viruses or bacteria, including those stemming from human and animal waste, according to a study http://www.springerlink.com/content/m2u37h072610/ published last year in the scientific journal Reviews of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology. The problem is not limited to Wisconsin. In California, up to 15 percent of wells in agricultural areas exceed a federal contaminant threshold, according to studies. Major waterways like the Chesapeake Bay have been seriously damaged by agricultural pollution, according to government reports. In Arkansas and Maryland, residents have accused chicken farm owners of polluting drinking water. In 2005, Oklahoma’s attorney general sued 13 poultry companies, claiming they had damaged one of the state’s most important watersheds. It is often difficult to definitively link a specific instance of disease to one particular cause, like water pollution. Even when tests show that drinking water is polluted, it can be hard to pinpoint the source of the contamination. Despite such caveats, regulators in Brown County say they believe that manure has contaminated tap water, making residents ill. “One cow produces as much waste as 18 people,” said Bill Hafs, a county official who has lobbied the state Legislature for stricter waste rules. “There just isn’t enough land to absorb that much manure, but we don’t have laws to force people to stop,” he added. In Brown County, part of one of the nation’s largest milk-producing regions, agriculture brings in $3 billion a year. But the dairies collectively also create as much as a million gallons of waste each day. Many cows are fed a high-protein diet
Re: [Biofuel] magnetic field on aluminum
Kirk McLoren wrote: The pull is so weak a compass takes some time for the needle to steady. Also the needle has to be very free to respond at all. Seems like too weak a force to be the cause. Kirk the magnet in a compass is generally quite weak... I suppose that you could take this same test assembly, rotate it 180 degrees, and see if the opposite pole is the one that rolls off the aluminum sheet. If the effect is due to the magnetic field of the earth, it should. Or rotate it 90 degrees, and find out if the effect happens with either pole toward the aluminum sheet... doug -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] This Year's Garden
Hi Robert, Please send our Southern Ontario summer back home where it belongs. We don't like this summer swap here (but you can keep the humidity and the howler monkeys if you like). Glad you enjoyed it. Doug in Hamilton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of robert and benita rabello Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 4:43 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] This Year's Garden Hello everyone! With all the grim news associated with the economic downturn, with all the howler monkey nonsense going on with respect to health care reform in my country, it's a real pleasure to get outside and work with plants. After a long and bitterly cold winter, through which many of our outdoor plants did not survive, we had a very wet spring, followed by the hottest, driest June on record. In early July, our faithful compost-enhanching bunny died, so now the only manure that goes into the compost is what I bring up the hill from the horse barns. Our fruit trees did astonishingly well this year. The cherry tree, which normally drops the majority of what little fruit it produces, was absolutely laden this season. We picked cherries endlessly, it seemed, and they were the sweetest and juiciest cherries I've ever eaten! (Plenty for the birds, too!) The same has been true of our apples and plums. We've had so little trouble with aphids on our plum trees, this is the first year I've not sprayed soap on them to control an infestation. We had better than 2 weeks of temperatures in the high 30's and low 40's in July. It was humid and miserable here, but the plants seemed to take it all in stride. Our garden produced enough to keep two of our neighbors, two of my sweetheart's friends, my in-laws and my own family in fresh vegetables and fruit all summer long. We had HUGE blackberries and monster, hydra-headed sunflowers that towered nearly 4 meters in height. (One of those plants had 18 flowers on a single stem!) It's curious how cross-pollination works. This is the first year we've had multi-headed sunflowers in our garden. Not everything did well. I can't seem to grow melons to save my soul. We've had NO squash this year, and our grape vine didn't flower. Also, though we've had some of the sweetest maize I can remember, we wound up with an earwig infestation and most of the cobs we pulled off were not completely formed. They tasted good, though! So, I hope the rest of you who grow things experienced similar success. We've already started taking our garden out. I'm going to be composting the trees before they lose their leaves. We're expecting an El Nino winter, which means lots of rain and little in the way of snow. I'm already thinking about NEXT year's garden. Howler monkeys notwithstanding, isn't that optimistic? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090914/d30364ba/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4425 (20090914) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] magnetic field on aluminum
Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0YCTwWvykw Any idea why this difference? In the eddy current equations there is nothing about polarity the reason is given in the comments below the video, having to do with the earth's magnetic fields... The actual cause of this effect was later determined to be the Earth's magnetic field. Because I live around 45 degrees north latitude, the magnet pull on the north magnets pole is mainly downward toward the ground. This additional pull is very strong and simply causes the? north pole of the magnet to tend to rotate downward more than the south pole. This effect would change depending on where you live on the Earth. -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] If you catch the flu
Kirk McLoren wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucolytic_agent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaifenesin The danger is pneumonia and an expectorant can help prevent that. I would appreciate herbal knowledge in this regard Thanks Kirk The Great (or Common) Mullein is used for an expectorant, I've tried it, and it seems to work well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbascum_thapsus doug swanson -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A wind turbine for your home
Dawie Coetzee wrote: A practical rooftop turbine has been quite elusive. If this works it would be something of a breakthrough. The design seems quite simple, its unique feature being that its alternator is attenuated to an annular ring. In principle that's quite open to artisanal manufacture. I wonder how it will work in practice. -Dawie Coetzee Indeed, it seems like a simple enough idea to be taken into consideration for the DIY designer... (wheels are spinning in my head now...) like a bicycle wheel for the rotor, and the tire, with coils mounted inside of it, placed around the wheel, but with the seals outside the rim of the wheel, so as to allow a space on either side, also bringing the coils nearer the periphery of the wheel, where the magnets are mounted... pieces of aluminum cans could be cut to fit between pairs of spokes to form the blades... back in a bit. I've got an old bike around back... doug swanson -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New documentary 'Food, Inc.' offers troubling view of American food industry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New documentary **Food, Inc.** offers troubling view of American food industry Published: Friday, June 5, 2009 | 2:47 PM ET Canadian Press Ann Levin, For The Associated Press _http://www.cbc.ca/cp/health/090605/x060515A.html_ (http://www.cbc.ca/cp/health/090605/x060515A.html) this week on PBS' NOW (with video): This week, David Brancaccio talks with filmmaker Robert Kenner, the director of Food, Inc., which takes a hard look at the secretive and surprising journey food takes on the way from processing plants to our dinner tables. The two discuss why contemporary food processing secrets are so closely guarded, their impact on our health, and another surprising fact: how consumers are actually empowered to make a difference http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/523/index.html -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Jan. 2009 ARES report
Registered members, 2, no change. No nets No traffic. I spoke with the two Rooks County Health Center employees, that where recently licensed. Somewhere along the line they got the impression that Public Safety personnel could use amateur radio frequencies to talk with amateur radio licensees. I think I actually seen the wind leave their sails, when I advised them, only if the PS personnel had amateur radio licenses also. Now I have to see if I can play this to encourage more people to become licensed. 73 Doug, N0LKK ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who Owns Nature?
Hi Keith, Giving it all an extra moment of thought, I realize the following; While mankind is able to exploit the planet's resources, nature owns mankind. Owns us absolutely, there is no negotiation. I probably knew that all along, but it slips my mind, time to time. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Doug Judging by the writings of Thomas Paine I ran across recently, all of mankind owns our planet(nature?) in common. Agrarian Justice http://xroads.virginia.edu/~Hyper2/CDFinal/Paine/agrarian.html Thankyou! The more history I discover, the more I wonder how the USA got from then to now. And thanks for sending the link to the etc group report. Ralf Nader or some one else with similar experience with corporate world, should pull an Al Gore, taking this information to the people. Doug, N0LKK All of mankind owns the planet though... Only mankind? Doesn't nature own itself? Ecuador's new constitution includes an article that grants nature the right to exist, persist, maintain and regenerate its vital cycles, structure, functions and its processes in evolution and will grant legal standing to any person to defend those rights in court. http://www.metafilter.com/75251/Ecuador-has-a-new-constitution Ecuador has a new constitution September 29, 2008 Voters in Ecuador appear to have approved a new constitution yesterday, guaranteeing rights to clean water, universal healthcare, pensions, and free state-run education through the university level. It also may allow President Rafael Correa to remain in power until 2017. Particularly of note is a world first bill of rights for nature which grants inalienable rights to nature. http://www.ecoearth.info/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?linkid=107108 http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/ecuador-constitution-grants-nature-rights/ The specific provisions state: (source) Chapter: Rights for Nature Art. 1. Nature or Pachamama, where life is reproduced and exists, has the right to exist, persist, maintain and regenerate its vital cycles, structure, functions and its processes in evolution. Every person, people, community or nationality, will be able to demand the recognitions of rights for nature before the public organisms. The application and interpretation of these rights will follow the related principles established in the Constitution. Art. 2. Nature has the right to an integral restoration. This integral restoration is independent of the obligation on natural and juridical persons or the State to indemnify the people and the collectives that depend on the natural systems. In the cases of severe or permanent environmental impact, including the ones caused by the exploitation on non renewable natural resources, the State will establish the most efficient mechanisms for the restoration, and will adopt the adequate measures to eliminate or mitigate the harmful environmental consequences. Art. 3. The State will motivate natural and juridical persons as well as collectives to protect nature; it will promote respect towards all the elements that form an ecosystem. Art. 4. The State will apply precaution and restriction measures in all the activities that can lead to the extinction of species, the destruction of the ecosystems or the permanent alteration of the natural cycles. The introduction of organisms and organic and inorganic material that can alter in a definitive way the national genetic patrimony is prohibited. Art. 5. The persons, people, communities and nationalities will have the right to benefit from the environment and form natural wealth that will allow wellbeing. The environmental services are cannot be appropriated; its production, provision, use and exploitation, will be regulated by the State. I think that's great! Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.6/1797 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 11:23 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who Owns Nature?
Judging by the writings of Thomas Paine I ran across recently, all of mankind owns our planet(nature?) in common. Agrarian Justice http://xroads.virginia.edu/~Hyper2/CDFinal/Paine/agrarian.html The more history I discover, the more I wonder how the USA got from then to now. And thanks for sending the link to the etc group report. Ralf Nader or some one else with similar experience with corporate world, should pull an Al Gore, taking this information to the people. Doug, N0LKK ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Paraguayans 'ill through GM crop pesticide' - 24 Aug 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKCqmuu5sag ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Paraguayans 'ill through GM crop pesticide' - 24 Aug 2008
Scores of Paraguayan say that they are being driven from their communities by pesticides, but the government denies the claims. Al Jazeera's Lucia Newman reports from San Pedro del Norte, Paraguay where locals are complaining that mass spraying of toxic chemicals on genetically modified crops near their homes is making them ill. video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKCqmuu5sag ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Paraguayans 'ill through GM crop pesticide' - 24 Aug 2008 *#
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Doug, I see you bought into Al Jazeera's headline. What is the Connection between the crop being GM and the harm caused by the pesticide? Regards, Wendell Nope, I've not bought into anything, merely copy and pasted the title into the email. True, there's no mention of GM in the video... has to do more with the pesticides used on the crops. It's my opinion that crops grown naturally will maintain a natural resistance to pests, and while the pests may consume a percentage of the crop, the pests are a lesser bane to both the farmers, and the consumers of food, than whatever pesticides might be used to control the pests, (and in the process, killing the organisms, earthworms, bacteria, mycelium, in the soil that make for a living substrate for crops grown in it.) As far as getting my news from Al Jazeera, yes, I do read it, and CNN, and PressTV, and Haaretz, and Democracy Now, The Hindu, Voice of America, Reuters, the list goes on and on... Each one has their own style of spin, and like religions, each has a small thread ot truth that winds through it. Careful analysis will expose truth amongst the spins... Unless I am there, and have seen with my own eyes, all reports arriving at my eyes are suspect... doug -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind whips up health fears
Keith Addison wrote: http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1218250522129010.xmlcoll=7 Wind whips up health fears snip Just watched some footage of a wind generator in Denmark that didn't hold up to a hurricane strength storm... it was very dramatic. The announcer is speaking German, but the footage tells quite a story for those who don't understand the language. www.spiegel.de/video/video-33749.html doug -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind whips up health fears
Zeke Yewdall wrote: Yeah... I've seen that one before. Looks like they lost the controls or the brake or something. I've seen smaller ones (like 8 foot diameter) get destroyed in high winds here in Colorado, 120mph gusts coming off the divide type stuff, but never the big ones. Usually they are placed in areas with more consistent, and less extreme, winds. Z Indeed, I have no doubt that placement is vital. I don't know that Denmark has a lot of options in that respect, compared to the variety of locales available in the USA. I suppose if they were locked down, or had some sort of governor in place that wouldn't let it go into destructive-flywheel-mode it might have held up. The commentator did mention that this is the second in a short period of time. Perhaps a design flaw or oversight, but it occurs to me that with the changes we're experiencing in climate, no one can know for sure what extremes will hit in any area on the planet within just the next 10 years or so. doug -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bush-Led 'Disaster Capitalism' Exploits Worldwide Misery to Make a Buck
While I understand that my country never intends to truly liberate Iraq and her citizens, but I wonder Naomi Klein understands how naive going on about the reported 25/75 split will be read by royalty owners in the United State. 25% is twice as much as royalty owners in the United States typically receive.In the event a conservative talk show host hasn't yet used that detail to discredit, the more reasonable points Klein offers one soon will Doug, N0LKK Keith Addison wrote: Bush-Led 'Disaster Capitalism' Exploits Worldwide Misery to Make a Buck By Naomi Klein, The Nation ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Consumers Prefer Locally Grown Food, Study Finds
Keith Addison wrote: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/06/local_food.html Consumers Prefer Locally Grown Food, Study Finds Shoppers say they're willing to pay a premium Has anyone asked the questions Can you afford to pay a premium? How much of a premium? Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Company is buying WVO
I doubt that higher petroleum prices would mean, an appreciable increase in amount waste oil is recycled, but higher prices may increase the demand for what of what waste oil is collected. I would love to have a transport tanker full of it to sell at the crude oil reclaiming plant a mile South of me. :) Other than burning it in their diesel engined motor vehicles some silly people may would like to recycle it to heat buildings. What is and isn't practice depends on the cost of the refined products from petroleum to be stating the obvious. Anyway the tanker full is a daydream, but in some places those using recycled oil for heating purposes could be competition for the diesel driver. Doug Original Message From: Keith Addison Anyway, why would the price/value of waste lube oil be soaring? Do high oil prices really mean more waste oil is being recycled? More silly people burning it as fuel in their diesels? Just because the price of everything else is soaring? And nobody's even blaming biofuels? :-) Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sweet sorghum, clean miracle crop for feed and fuel
My understanding is that the Sorghum cane used to produce molasses is different that grain sorghum. Milo, but, some call it Maize as well. knew a man used to farm irrigated land in Southwest Kansas. He spoke of growing Corn and then he spoke of growing Maize. Took me forever to figure out when he said Maize, he was talking about Milo. The cane used to make molasses at the annual antique engine tractor event here is decidedly different than than grain sorghum grown in the field adjoining my property. We are told the sorghum grown to make the molasses at the event is a variety grown specifically to make molasses. At least one Kansas Ethanol plant was designed around using grain sorghum. Grain Sorghum being a dryland crop in much of Kansas, unlike Corn. Doug Randy wrote: Sorghum is a cane crop that also produces a grain called Milo. The grain is also able to be processed in much the same way as corn or oats/barley would. The most visible product from Sorghum is molasses style syrup that is sold in grocery stores. It is the ingredient that makes gingerbread cookies as dark as they are. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from cellulose
Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI5frPV58tYfeature=user fuel bit is near the end The termite proofing sounds great. Kirk That was one to forward to several associates! One of whom works diligently to keep old growth forests from being sold to logging companies, and another who's been battling termites.. Thanks! -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Legislation Calls for Government Ownership of DNA
You would think here in the US someone as innocent as an infant would be protected by the 4th amendment. I wonder what the fate of a child who's DNA profile shows them to predisposed to becoming a politician would be? Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
Fritz Friesinger wrote: www.econologie.com and get more Info from there Website! Everything is in french maybe Frantz coul help a little with this Fritz Or you could install the Google tool bar for your browser or use babelfish http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/babelfish/tr Babelfish may be something Frantz may invesigate to see if it could aid in his project. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel from Algae??
Kieth, I understand what you are saying, but if the process can be industrialised use waste CO2 from power plants, it would be worthwhile: even tho it might not scale down. regards Doug On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:12:36 Keith Addison wrote: Hello James I'm off to investigate a an algae to oil operation in Phx. I work for a large SW US util that has produced biod from algae. Well that's a little more detail, but not a lot. Previous: Here are a few links. I've driven an E250 van that ran on biodiesel made from algae oil.. Well that would be a first. It needs a little more detail please James, or a lot more detail. Considering that by all accounts there is no such thing as biodiesel from algae apart from a few lab samples and some pilot projects that never get any further, and zero production - but LOTS of hype! Please see the links in my reply to Doug. Now you add this: The big question is how efficient are the oil extraction methods.. So I'm guessing you ran your E250 van on a somewhat bigger than usual lab sample. Progress, hey! :-) But still no real-world production of biodiesel from algae. And there appears to be an increasing number of algae to oil ventures springing up by the month. That's been going on for two or three years, but it's what I said, lab samples, pilot projects that don't go anywhere and LOTS of hype, plus a patent or two and a few scams also. That's why I stopped posting stuff about algae here, and stopped encouraging small-scale attempts, which I'd done previously, and also why Biopact took the same stance over algae projects. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69384.html [Biofuel] An in-depth look at biofuels from algae - 1 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69383.html [Biofuel] An in-depth look at biofuels from algae - 2 Pie in the sky. Here are a few.. http://www.algaeatwork.com/technology http://www.algaelink.com/distributors.htm http://www.originoil.com/originoil/originoil-home.html Same, seen them before. The big question is how efficient are the oil extraction methods.. Algae can also allegedly produce ethanol (75% oil / 25 % ethanol). And using the CO2 from biomass / biogas may have great promise for agricultural applications. I think the big question is, once the efficiency problems are solved (if ever), what sort of technology will it require? All the indications are that it will be high-tech stuff, for industry, perhaps including GMO strains. Not Appropriate Technology, and not for backyarders. In other words, not very useful, IMHO. Best Keith What I find disturbing is that this alternative as well as most of the rest are antique. Examples are : * Jimmy Carter MIT algae oil 1979 * Stirling Engines Ford Phillips 1975 (modern high pressure / high temp incarnation) * Photovoltaics 1950's (HCPV is still under development; close but no cigar) * Geothermal 1920's one of Tesla's favorites * Wind * Solar Thermal AC..(ammonia / lithium bromide) 1974 There has not been a real break thru in alternatives in quite some time... Regards, JQ Keith Addison wrote: Hello James Doug, Here are a few links. I've driven an E250 van that ran on biodiesel made from algae oil.. Well that would be a first. It needs a little more detail please James, or a lot more detail. Considering that by all accounts there is no such thing as biodiesel from algae apart from a few lab samples and some pilot projects that never get any further, and zero production - but LOTS of hype! Please see the links in my reply to Doug. This process was revived by MIT and Jimmy Carter in 1979. In which John Benemann was one of the lead scientists, and he is completely sceptical. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg70264.html And is the most bang for the alt energy buck anywhere.. http://web.mit.edu/erc/spotlights/alg.html http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/12/arizona_public_.html Where is the production? Best Keith Regards, JQ doug wrote: Hi, I ran into a chap travelling around Australia extolling the virtues of running on SVO. He is to email me more details, but apparently there is a project in Australia involved with oil from Algae, aparently using CO2 feedstock from generation equipment. I googled to try to find more info, but only found foreign references from ~2005. Has anyone heard anything about this project? regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel from Algae??
Thanks James Keith, I remembered the discussion on the list a while ago, had found similar links to the ones James gave me. I was also aware that SVO was an option ( a friend runs a SVO/diesel mix in Ireland in a Rover. I was interested in any info on an Australian development of the technology. I will refer anything I find out to the list when the chap emails me. regards Doug On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:52:42 Keith Addison wrote: Hello Doug Hi, I ran into a chap travelling around Australia extolling the virtues of running on SVO. No big deal, thousands of people use SVO. Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html He is to email me more details, but apparently there is a project in Australia involved with oil from Algae, aparently using CO2 feedstock from generation equipment. I googled to try to find more info, but only found foreign references from ~2005. Has anyone heard anything about this project? http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg70264.html [Biofuel] Algal Biodiesel: Fact or Fiction? - John Benemann Sat, 16 Jun 2007 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg71344.html [Biofuel] Scientist skeptical of algae-to-biofuels potential - interview 28 Oct 2007 A thorough analysis: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69384.html [Biofuel] An in-depth look at biofuels from algae - 1 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69383.html [Biofuel] An in-depth look at biofuels from algae - 2 Some comment: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69373.html Re: [Biofuel] An in-depth look at biofuels from algae 5 Apr 2007 HTH Best Keith regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now
Kirk McLoren wrote: I am in favor of new laws - only if you recind an old one. There are so many laws now the only way you know you are breaking one is if they pinch you. Kirk I can't recall a time when I first learned of a law is when I was pinched. I'm still relatively young, perhaps there is time for me to experience this yet. :) What guarantee is there that any old law rescinded would be on that should be rescinded? An idea that could bite us in the butt if it had any chance of being implemented. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now
Chip Mefford wrote: There were a *lot* of problems with this. I'm not going to go into it all, in fact, I'm barely going to scratch the surface. But essentially, the nationwide 55mph speed limit was about as popular as prohibition, and caused many of the same problems. That was interesting. No, not that the 55 speed limit was as popular as prohibition. The idea that the 55 speed limit created problems anywhere near those caused by prohibition. Please go into it, I may have missed something during those years, unless you where exercising your right to hyperbole. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 7 myths of energy independence
Darryl McMahon wrote: Francene, have you done the test with DC-rated equipment? Most low-cost EMF testing equipment is designed for use with AC power. I believe the Prius does use AC. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now
Hi, You are saying you got 56mpg from your Prius: I have a 307 Peugeot Diesel get ~17Km/L: ie about 50M/imp Gallon (about 10% bigger than a US Gallon I think: one of the few things the Poms can claim is bigger than in the States!!) If the Pug is driven with economy in mind, the recent Australian record is 2760 Km on 70L fuel: a 406 peugeot was driven from Rockhampton in Queensland to Melbourne on 1 tankful of fuel. The diesels leave the Priuses for dead! regards Doug ps: the pug has all the accoutriments of modern vehicles, including flashing the emergency flashers when the anti-lock brakes are activated (a real surprise the first time it happened when a dog ran in front of the car!) On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:36:30 Chip Mefford wrote: Chris Burck wrote: | josh, this is like claiming the engine uses less fuel when it's shut | than when it's running. aerodymics aren't magic. a vehicle moving at | 65mph is still encountering more air resistance than when moving at | 55mph. there are many interesting aspects in automobile technology | today, yet today's average vehicle consumes more fuel than in years | past. it *may* be that today's vehicles are as aerodynamically | efficient at 65mph as earlier vehicles were at 55mph, but that seems | doubtful and in itself means little. gearing? a vehicle in 6th gear | (wish they'd started making them decades ago) will always consume less | fuel at 55mph than at 65mph. can you provide any citations to back up | these rather outlandish claims you make? Well, One of the most aerodynamic vehicles I've ever had the pleasure to drive is the 3rd (current) generation Toyota Prius. While I haven't logged a lot of miles in one, I've logged a few, and what I've found, is what one might expect. Driving like the more radical drivers suggest works. With the Prius's monitoring, you get really quick feedback on what the vehicle is doing. At highway speeds, momentum works. On one relatively short trip on limited access eastern highways and freeways, I managed to squeak 56 mpg average over 110 miles. Speed? anywhere from 32 to 88 mph. Gently accelerating on downgrades, using the internal combustion engine as little as possible, doing one's best to make the best use of the terrain, and paying no attention to speed 'limits' whatsoever, and letting the momentum gained from battery driven down grade acceleration, remarkable efficiency is possible. Average velocity for the trip? 54mph. 'Pulse and glide' on the flats, decelerating on the climbs, using gravity + some electrical power on the descents. While the Prius, as we all know, has that nifty ability to store energy in an battery bank, the overall concept still applies. This is how the old road tractor pilots used to drive. No regard for 'speed limits', and maximizing every advantage possible. Remember those miles long truck convoys of the 70s? Sometimes moving at incredible speeds? Those guys are paying attention to a lot of feedback that automobile drivers don't. They have exhaust temp monitoring, they have manifold pressure monitoring, they actually know where their torque bands on their power plants lie, most of them were gear heads, and grew up driving farm farm tractors from like age 12 or earlier. Good feel for machinery. Lorry drivers in Europe didn't operate like that, it's unsafe. Unsafe in a relative sense. But there used to be real good money in hauling freight in the US, and quite literally, a gallon saved was money earned. Folks like to point at a lot of statistics on fuel consumption in the US. Couple of things that I keep in mind, in the '70s', folks like to think that cars got better mileage. Well, wouldn't that depend on the car? My father was a big fan of VW beetles. He loved the things, bought his first new one in 62, and owned countless ones over the years, he finally got a diesel dasher, 3rd hand in 81 or so, and drove that thing for another few hundred thousand miles, averaging well over 50mpg the whole way, he could tease a few less drops per mile better than anyone I knew, and drove like there were eggs between his feet and the pedals, that should never be broken. But facts are, the modern highway is no place for a vw beetle, diesel rabbit, nor dasher. The cars on the road today have antilock brakes, traction control, more airbags than you can count, and are capable of crossing the lanes at full speed, and destroying a rabbit, slaughtering the occupants and walking away with a bruise or two, and the lawyers to make sure it doesn't cost anything. I quit driving rabbits about 5 years ago, I'm a hold out. Bought an old subaru outback wagon. It can take a hit, and I drive in the mid-atlantic a lot. Averaging over 25k a year. I can squeak 30+ mpg out of it, mixed-highway. on the weekends anyway. Folks want throw weight in an accident. and an accident is a given. It's assumed. Way back, decades ago, there was a speculative
Re: [Biofuel] Vaporized gasoline engines work as proven to the world by Shell Oil Company in 1973
Mike, I thought that di (direct injection) was the most efficient because the cylinder is loaded with 100% air, then the fuel is added after the valves close, increasing the volumetric efficiency. The new di petrol Peugeots VWs use this technology. (I don't know how they stop the knocks: perhaps they inject gradually as the fuel burns?) I admit I didn't read your paper, but I guess the vapour is added to the inletted air? I feel this would not be as efficient as a di engine. My explanation for this is that an internal combustion engine is just a heat pump: the nitrogen expands when heated, performing the work. The combustion merely generates the heat that makes the inert gases expand (which is why cars go better in dense cool air) would you mind commenting on my assumptions? regards Doug On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:59:36 Mike Pelly wrote: We did tests on Vaporized Gasoline carburation on a datsun/nissan 510 and the gas milage results were not all that impressive. We were not able to do any kind of test on a track or somewhere where we could drive flat and straight on a carefully measured amount of gas. In our estimate on our most careful test at the time (1992), we ended up getting about 35mpg on a car that normally got about 28. When doing this test we had (at times) everything dialed in and were able to maintain the proper temperatures and the Exhaust smelled exactly like the exhaust from a Propane Powered Vehicle (this car did not have any cataletic converter on it either. Other times while doing this same test, we did not have our temperatures correct and the car was belching copious amounts of black exhaust (unburned gasoline) and was running like crap. In writing my original paper back in 1992 I recommended this technology would work best in a toyota prius type 'hybrid-electric' car (this was before they even were building the prius) or a stationary gas powered generator. The prius type drive train would work the best because it is easy to maintain an engine RPM range like 2000-2500RPMs somewhere making it easyest to regulate the exhaust heat and fuel pressure/volume and not have the problems we faced with a conventional engine where the RPMs can continually jump from say 500RMP at idle to 4000 for acceleration and back to 1000 for braking or shifting gears, continually. My paper with photos and schematics is written under 'Nom de Plume' of, Frieda Mind and can be found at www.ByronWine.com site: http://www.ByronWine.com/files/1992%20vapor.pdf the paper includes all the information one would ever need to design and build a vaporized gasoline system for a prius type hybrid engine drivetrain. The affirmation for anyone who still doubts this technology, should come from that 1959 Opel that got 376 MPGs back in 1973 and reported in the Febuary 20, 2008 'Seattle PI' newspaper found at this link; http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351903_needle20.html The tests on this 59 Opel were sponsored by Shell Oil. Granted the car was gutted of many parts and was only going 30 miles per hour on a track But it did get 376mpg! not 75, 100, or 200mpg. It got 376mpgs! This is 7 times the gas milege of a standard Prius, our current state of the art in drive train configurations. My hope is that home inventors will Very Carefully!!! experiment with this technology and build their own versions, even if only on a stationary generator and share their findings. This will help pull this technology out of the locked file cases the car and oil companies have held it in for too long now and out into the spot lights so we can shame the car and oil companies into utilizing this technology Finally! We all need to take some concrete steps towards addressing Global Climate Changes. This advancement would be similar to what thousands of biodiesel homebrewers have been able to do over the past 10 years in making biodiesel a product consumers are now very aware of and demanding to have available to them. Nuff said, Sincerely, Mike __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3057 (20080426) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http
[Biofuel] Fuel from Algae??
Hi, I ran into a chap travelling around Australia extolling the virtues of running on SVO. He is to email me more details, but apparently there is a project in Australia involved with oil from Algae, aparently using CO2 feedstock from generation equipment. I googled to try to find more info, but only found foreign references from ~2005. Has anyone heard anything about this project? regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] plug in kit for hybrid
I did understand that the unit has batteries of it's own, for some reason I got the impression the unit also recharged the vehicle's original batteries as well. shrug Doug robert and benita wrote: I've read that Toyota isn't standing by their hybrid systems after the warranty period is up. People who've bought early Priuses (Priii?) are complaining that they can't get service for their hybrid drives anymore. My Camry has a 7 year warranty on the battery and drive system, but once that's up, I can do whatever I want with the thing. The plug in system Kirk linked us to replaces the NiMH battery pack with Lithium polymer batteries. I don't think the manufacturers will cover that at all, and I also wonder about insurance . . . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] plug in kit for hybrid
Kirk McLoren wrote: Kit converts hybrid to plug in electric http://www.hymotion.com/ What do the hybrid manufacturers have to say about the use of outboard battery chargers? Will the use affect the manufacturers warranty of the vehicle's batteries? d. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
Hi Tom, Perhaps Roger is partially or completely colour blind. As part of the 7 to 10% of the male population that is colour blind, I fully understand wanting, or rather needing, to use a pH meter. Most titration indicators rely upon colour changes I find that are difficult to detect, at least with any accuracy. I would be interested in finding out if there are any other options, other than a pH meter or a titration test, for determining the pH of a solution. Doug Turner, Hamilton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:25 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil Roger, Freshly opened 55 gal drums of methanol usually are good. By the time you get to the bottom of barrel there is often water present due to condensation. As the level drops more air space. Moisture in air drops out over time methanol acquires water. Batches have more soap. I just picked up some peanut oil. I'll try a test batch to see if I have any problems. You'r insistance on using the pH meter ??? Because you have one? or is it titration fear? Phenolphthalein solution (dissolved in alcohol) turns from clear magenta at the pH range suitable for transesterification, making it suitable for determining any adjustments that must be made to the WVO we want to convert to BD. As Ken has pointed out, pH meters and pH paper are good for determining the pH of aqueous solutions, but not so for oil. Tom - Original Message - From: Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil That is what I was looking for. I was following the recipe to the 'T' and was wondering where I was going wrong. Anything is possible. The methanol came from Quaker City Chemical in a 55-Gal Drum, 99.9%. I opened the drum, removed 2 liters with a new, unused pump, then sealed the Nalgene containers and the drum back up. I assumed it would be water-less, but I may have missed something. Suppose there is water in the drum - does that make it useless? Any way to fix that? I used a name brand oil from the grocery store (not sure now what it was now.) That shouldn't be the problem. I'll buy the yellow Heet bottle and try again. In the meantime, I'll practice titration with my pH meter and find some phenolphthalein to try as well. I thought the pH meter would be easy to use and just as good but I'm not familiar with using one - so training my be necessary. I also don't have the calibration solutions yet either. Working for a surplus lab equipment company, we get all kinds of neat stuff - but more often than not it's not all there and that is even if I know what it is. The peanut oil I have came from Costco in the big jug. I used half for a turkey and figured it would be worth trying out. That'll be next. Thanks for your help, Roger Thomas Kelly wrote: Roger, I'm stumped by the third photo. Why so much soap when you used new veg oil. I'm surprisd it separated at all. You are certain the methanol is dry? Soap forms when there is water contamination. Soap forms when Free Fatty Acids are present. Ken P. responded to you on March 31: It's ALWAYS a good idea to titrate, even virgin oil. Many oils, including palm and olive (don't know about peanut) have high FFA levels as typically sold. The reason for using new, unused veg oil of our first test batches is to decrease the number of variables we are dealing with. It is best to avoid titration until you get the basic process under your belt. It is assumed that new oil doesn't have to be titrated. This may not be the case. Suggestions: 1. Pick up a container of Heet (brand of gas line antifreeze) Yellow container, NOT Red. (If it is available to you.) ~ $1.50/300ml. (US). It is dry methanol. 2. I did my test batches using a name brand corn oil. The people I have helped in my neigborhood have done the same. We had no problems with FFAs. Maybe you should invest in a bottle of name brand corn oil . or is that what you already did? As for pH meters: (Ken P): pH really only makes sense when referring to a water-based solution. Sticking pH paper or pH meter into biodiesel gives spurious results in most cases. I often measure the pH of my wash water as a check of how much lye and soaps may be left in the biodiesel, but never the biodiesel (or oil) itself. Get Phenolphthalein (dissolved in alcohol) for titrations. We'll deal with the mysterious peanut oil and with you WVO after you succeed w. the test batches. I'm now curious about peanut oil. I'll see about getting some and doing a test batch myself. Tom - Original Message - From
Re: [Biofuel] Coal on the Ropes
The Holcomb power plant in SW Kansas is a topic of particular interest to me, because it now will affect what I pay for power from the grid. I'm certain 10 cent electrical power is going to be a thing of the past. Considering it's reported that $200 million is still owed on the plant constructed 30 some years ago. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 1980 Mercedes problems
To all who responded to my request for assistance on the Mercedes, My greatest appreciation! Today I expect to get back on it, (the last couple of days were either busy working in the garden, finishing up last winter's stuff, and preparing and planting early spring stuff... then it rained.. and brought water back to both my little creeks!!) I'll keep you posted, and I'll rejoice again when I smell the scent of veggies in the exhaust of this car! Thanks again! doug Jan Warnqvist wrote: Hi Doug, Bill et al. I have some experience from a similar model 300D, five-cylinder engine of 88 hps. My experience of the feed pump is that once there is air in the fuel system is the car impossible to start. But you could try this: There are several bolts on top of the main fuel filter. Loosen the one that holds the connection from the feed pump. Then act according to Doug´s instructions, pump until no air bubbles can be seen in the fuel, then close the bolt and tighten the hand pump. If the car does not start, you may have air in the high pressure side of the fuel system. What helps is to loosen one or two injectors and running the starter, and having somebody to tighten the injectors when only fuel is coming. Even small holes in the fuel tube system may provide a constant flow of air into the system. Hope this helps Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Bill Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 1980 Mercedes problems Hi, Doug, ON the drivers side of the block about 2/3's of the way down near the back of the engine should be the primer pump. It's a plastic knerled knob about 1.5 inch in diameter. Maybe white or cream if engine not to dirty. Turn a couple of turns CCW to loosen and then pump in and out to prime fuel system (usually watch the small fuel filter to see when it's full) once the system is primed hold the pump in and turn CW to tighten. Start engine. Now that being said, be advised that the primer pump on many older models will leak like a sieve so you may have to replace it. With mine I just put a pan under it to catch the spillage and pump away. It does seem to prime the system even when leaking although it probably would do better if it didn't . Someday I'll change it. If your still having problem the folks at http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/diesel_mercedes/ are the best. Several have 240's as do I. I mine weren't buried under 4 feet of snow I might be able to help you work through the problem. Most of the time it's a priming problem try that first, if it is a fuel shut-off problem cause by a vac line or solinoid those guys will help you out, I'm sure. 240D's slow and steady gotta love um!! -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 1980 Mercedes problems
I'm hoping this message is not too far off topic for this list, but I felt this would be the place to look for information from someone else who has been stumped with the same problem I'm facing here. I have a 1980 Mercedes 240D that won't run. It will turn over, but there seems to be no flow of fuel, in either the dinodiesel fuel lines, nor the WVO lines... As I've bought the Haynes manual, and read it, I'm getting that there is a fuel pump, which feeds the injector pump. A friend who drives a newer model tells me that the fuel pump relay is often bad, so I spent some time looking for it. (The Haynes manual is very stingy with information related to the diesels in the year range, no indication where to even start looking for the relay...) Possibly, (probably?) related... the car was at a mechanic's shop for an oil change, vacuum lines were disconnected, and incorrectly reconnected... This resulted in the engine not shutting off. This wasn't a problem the last time the car ran, as it did shut down properly... But now it won't start. It seems somewhat coincidental, but the fact that the fuel doesn't seem to be moving through the clear lines points to a problem with the supply fuel pump (lift pump?) and the manual isn't really clear where to start looking for it either... Does anyone on this list have experience with this model? specifically with the fuel supply system, pump relay location, vacuum line functions... I would be so very grateful for any information that will help me get my friend's car running again... Thanks in advance! doug swanson -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] mercury is good for you - yes, thats what they said
Thomas Kelly wrote: Kirk, Unfortunately the video did not run. Message: We're sorry, this video is no longer available. Tom Unfortunately the link was somehow cut up, with spaces... http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/280.html see if that works... doug swanson -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peak Food
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:11:23 James Machin wrote: The Goldman Sachs 'Outlook 2008' report claims that oil production has been flat for 4 years whilst demand has increased. They say that the gap has been plugged by biofuel production - land under bioF production up to 80 million Ha. from 12 m Ha. 6 years ago - displacing food crops. They say that peak oil has morphed into peak food and predict widespread famin in 18 to 36 months. So, peak oil 4 years old, and we're passed peak food? Could be. I reckon we're also passed peak money too! Where will it all end When we are all peaked! regards Doug James ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Is Walmart Good For America?
Frontline did an in-depth report on this, and it's available for online viewing: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/ -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO squeeze
I would really doubt a label on the barrel would deter dumpster divers. The only down sides I could imagine are; that by claiming ownership, you would be making yourself liable. For example if the oil would happen to leak into the environment for any reason, you may be held responsible for the costs of cleanup. A cost that could get very high if the WVO ever got onto water. As it is now the restaurants' liability insurance should cover it, but I'm sure a smile will come across the insurance adjustor's face the moment they see a property of label of someone other than their insured party. Rural or not the label may make responsible for any regulations your state may have regarding WVO storage, collection,disposal. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. Thomas Kelly wrote: Hello, Is there any down side to placing a small barrel (15 or 30 gal/ ~ 55 or 115L) at restaurants for them to put their WVO in? I ask because I am finding increased hijacking of my WVO. This despite owners assuring me that they tell anyone who asks for the WVO: No. We already have someone picking it up (me). The restaurants I collect from have a nice, friendly, but informal relationship. They put plastic containers (cubies) out for me. I pick them up once a week. I noticed a plastic WVO barrel beside an veg oil dumpster that I used to pump oil from when I ran short. The chef said they put it in the barrel for a local guy. The WVO in the barrel seems to be left untouched. It doesn't have a label. I thought a label like Property of T Kelly might discourage hijackers . or does it just alert the powers that be to come bust my chops? I live in rural New York (USA). Comments appreciated, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] War Paint and Lawyers: Rainforest Indians versus Big Oil
I for one, am hoping that they come through victorious in this suit, costing Chevron the $12 billion, however, stockholders will not likely feel the effects, as that cost will probably be passed on to american consumers. I see benefit of that too, maybe the oblivious citizens will wake up some... Most people I've talked to have no problem with gas guzzlers, on either an economic, or ecological perspective... But when it hits their wallets, then they take note... doug swanson BBC Television Newsnight has been able to get close-in film of a new Cofan Indian ritual deep in the heart of the Amazonian rainforest. Known as The Filing of the Law Suit, natives of Ecuador's jungle, decked in feathers and war paint and heavily armed with lawyers, are filmed presenting a new complaint in their litigation seeking $12 billion from Chevron Inc., the international oil goliath. -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Rumsfeld flees France fearingarrest
Well all they would have to do is stay within the United States. I really can't recall either of them being globe trotters prior to their election. I'm not so sure the action of the French officials has any thing to do with the status of their balls. They where safely in their home country and if they didn't feel the popular opinion of their countrymen was behind them they wouldn't have made the attempt. The new era of Mutual Assured Destruction will be tempering the actions of other counties for some time yet. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? Wouldn't it be nice if Bush and Cheney get chased around like this when they get out of office. War criminals on the run from the law, for the rest of their days. ??? Maybe they may even be made examples of if the international community had any balls, as we Americans, seem to have lost ours. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Rumsfeld flees France fearingarrest....................................
I don't believe eternity is long enough to discuss tit for tat. Perhaps if weren't for some American businessmen empowering Hitler, history may have been different. Of course we ignore the US's effective genocide. Forgetting about those German Nazi collaborators that the US shielded and brought into the USA? Of course both Osama and Saddam where allies of the US. As for the story I find it odd that credit is given for an author or the agency that released it. Along with the date was nearly a week ago. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. Mark Cookson wrote: This from a nation who collaborated with Germany during the 2nd world war, rounded up their own French resistance fighters for execution, and then had the brass neck to charge the Jews the railway fare whilst they were shipped to the death camps in cattle trucks. And not only allowed the people responsible to remain in France but remain in government office for the rest of their lives. Not forgetting building the underground control bunkers in Iraq and selling them an airforce If charity begins at home where does justice live these days? Mark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] /we-want-our-base-in-us-soil-as-well/
Hi, I went to this site to see a Linux article. Found this link too: http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/10/22/we-want-our-base-in-us-soil-as-well/ Interesting concept! I hope they are successful, other countries copy them! (Imagine a Turkish base in US for instanceor an Australian Spy base in Washington?) We can all dream... regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity
swalms wrote: Perhaps they should state they deplore the attacks of 911. or do they? Respectfully that's no more than looking for an excuse to reject something. Anyway what's the word on European and US Christian leaders deploring the policies of their respective countries that result in many deaths? Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The great Iraqi swindle
Mike Weaver wrote: *And we keep getting richer but we can't get our picture On the cover of the Rolling Stone -Dr Hook Curses. Thanks to you that tune will be stuck in my head for hours. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re-inventing the 3 wheel
No matter the Japanese auto manufacturers spin it, the car is going to be basically a machine for getting around. And always will play a role in pollution and, in accidents. Transforming it into a friendly companion ain't gonna change those facts. Perhaps they are mesmerized by the Sony robots, nice doggy :) ... Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Something called nanodiesel what's the deal with this?
Andy Karpay wrote: Doug, see this http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2001_April_27/ai_73706352 I worked on this project, in this field. It is entirely possible to break down carbonaceous materials in an oxygen free or deficient atmosphere, to gas, oil, and carbon. I never was a believer in the catalyst, I always thought it was hocus-pocus. It was never explained to me how it worked. At least theoretically, there is enough energy contained in the materials to create enough heat to break down, the material, and throw off additional oil/gas beyond what is required to operate the process. (someone was also doing this with turkey carcasses near a turkey processing plant). Think of it as burning a huge candle and continuing to pour off the liquid wax before it all burns. There is also a plant constructed in Japan which uses a high voltage arc plasma to de-polymerize material (garbage), and one proposed for a Florida site, to mine the landfill for fuel (waste to energy for a gas turbine electric generation site). yes, I've seen similar, but the catalyst (proprietary material!) threw me off too. Wonder what magic stuff this is that makes their process unusual... doug -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Something called nanodiesel what's the deal with this?
I'd like to get the opinions of those on this list, regarding the info on the following site: http://www.cleanenergyprojects.com/ from their first page: A new technology of global importance now offering unrivalled potential for energy recycling, waste management and optimized environmental protection is about to break through: CDP (CATALYTIC PRESSURE-LESS DEPOLYMERIZATION (OILING)) New crystalline catalysts combined with a highly innovative process technology now allow the competitive production of synthetic oil products directly from residual and biologically regenerating raw materials! The future way of economical production of high quality synthetic Diesel fuel: • After years of intensive catalyst and process research the breakthrough of reproducing the natural way of fossil oil production within a process duration turned down from hundreds of millions of years to now only 3 (three) minutes has finally become reality! • This causes the synthetic Diesel fuel NanoDiesel™ produced by this method to be fully competitive. • With most of the input materials the quality of the synthetic fuel produced by this new ground breaking method is even higher than that of regular Diesel fuel available at gas stations. • Cost per Gallon of Diesel produced between 0,52 0,58 US$ without Government subsidies. • Elimination of almost all environmental pollution through inorganic transformation of harmful substances into salts and crystals, based on the ion changing characteristics of the GP-Cat, our proprietary Catalyst. • For the first time this method now allows active environmental protection as well as optimized energy production from industrial residuals, waste and biologically regenerating raw materials in perfect combination and free of any conflicts. • Environmental protection as future leading sources of energy and job production -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FFA decolorization
Whew! For a moment there I though the Future Farmers of America http://ffa.org/ lost their trademark colors. :) Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help
Rainbow power do micro-hydro generators. You need a good flow, fall: about 1 atmosphere pressure for every ~10M drop. But you need to take losses into account. A friend built a hydro using a 3 phase motor: think he got ~ 300W from it. He used the Rainbow impeller (that he actually got from the developer, before Rainbow sold it I think.) Try googling micro hydro systems. regards Doug On Saturday 29 September 2007 04:51:22 pm Bob Molloy wrote: Hi all, I'm exploring the possibilities of minor hydro power in my local area from waterfalls, lake outlets etc. but need a good rule of thumb for calculating the power potential. For example, what amount of power in kilowatts can I expect from a cubic metre of water or its kilolitre equivalent falling a distance of one metre? Regards, Bob. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070929/37d0d673/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Twentynine steps to the unthinkable
There's a documentary on Google video, I think it was directed by Alfred Hitchcock, with footage and commentary. Looks like proof to me that the holocaust happened. Having been to Ausschwitz and Dachau, I can believe, without having been through it, just having looked at the site, and the photos in their museum, that it wasn't just an elaborate hoax... the link is: *http://tinyurl.com/3c9yua for those that want to check it out. It is quite disturbing... doug swanson * -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Power harnessed one step at a time
AltEnergyNetwork wrote: Power harnessed one step at a time In the push to harvest alternative energy, scientists have tapped a number of novel sources: the sun, corn, old cooking oil. But how about the simple act of walking? For two architecture students at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, Mass., the sound of footsteps is an echo of energy gone to waste. They figure that the stomp of every footfall gives off enough power to light two 60-watt bulbs for one second. So I figure I take about 2 steps per second, and could light 2 60 watt bulbs for 2 seconds, (or 240 watts per second) every second.I've used a stereo that can make 240 watts of sound output, but I don't walk as loud as that stereo is... Where is all that sound coming from? Do people really walk that loud? doug swanson -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] From the Bin Laden tape
I see nothing that hasn't been stated before by others. Much of this was history prior to Bin Laden and the Afghan Mujahideen accepting U. S. aid in their Jihad against the Soviets occupying Afghanistan. He is no discerning in, who he allies with no more than, the the U. S. has been. Neither care about the means, as long as the results are favorable to them. Even after reading the transcript, unless I missed something, the only solution he offers is our accepting the Islam and the Quran. He knew full well lost practically all who stayed with his letter to that point. I don't know if he is aware that, myself and others are certain, he and other Islam extremists, along with their Quran are as morally ambiguous as, the self-described moral majority and their Bible are. Bin Laden is one more ass who only seeks peace on his unconditional terms of surrender, understanding it will be rejected. Interesting the accuser, learned lessons in deception well, from those he accuses of deception. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. Keith Addison wrote: Full transcript: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070907_bin_laden_transcript.pdf This version edited and condensed by Michael Dickinson http://www.counterpunch.org/dickinson09112007.html ... After examining the transcribed text of Osama's address, I found much of what he said made sense to me. After condensing and editing, this following version of the speech might make sense to you too - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The DC Establishment vs American Public Opinion
John Mullan wrote: It's not a war, it's an occupation. That sound like a bumper sticker Can't pull out the troops. If they were withdrawn, the security of the oil won't be assured. 10-15-20-25-30 years down the road I suspect that will remain the situation. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Israeli nuclear reactor
A new twist on MAD? The risk of your home being effected by your use of nuclear weapons on close in targets, deters your use of them? Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. Kirk McLoren wrote: The estimates I heard wasnt 200. It was 600 bombs. As for tritium I think it has a lot of uses. What possible use could Israel have for H bombs? I suppose that has little bearing on their ambitions though. Collective insanity. Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: FW: Live from congress]
Original Message did you notice the Onion logo in the lower right? Not until you mentioned it. Cleverly hidden in the C of C-SPAN. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FW: Live from congress
did you notice the Onion logo in the lower right? Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.forgetfoo.com/?blogid=8401 I have not heard of anything like this here in the west. In fact if anyone did it around here I know he wouldnt live long enough to make jail. I thought I had heard of every disgusting thing but this takes first prize. Kirk - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070916/cef3ec19/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Back Door Install - Probably Not but...
another good reason to use Linux. I suggest PCLinuxOS if anyone wants to dabble. (Bootable off CD/DVD, install if you like it.) regards Doug On Sunday 16 September 2007 06:32:13 am Kirk McLoren wrote: Back Door Install - Probably Not but... Microsoft updates Windows without users' consent http://windowssecrets.com/comp/070913 By Scott Dunn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Case for the Electric Tractor
John Ferree wrote: For a veggie farm. . . . http://www.flyingbeet.com/electricg/ john Such a conversion could be suitable for the VI Case sitting here in the yard. But it isn't typical of the tractors used around here. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Smashing Capitalism
But isn't sustained mass wealth leg a pipe dream? What do we need to to prevent that weak loose leg from, poking us in the butt, as the stool crashes to the floor? Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to Biofuel List from Lewis L Smith I am old enough to remember with affection the pre-WW II Sears catalogue. M Weaver is right. Mr. Ford and Mr. Sears had it very clear in their heads that mass prosperity, mass production and mass distribution constitute a three-legged stool. You can have a healthy economy or an upright stool without all three legs. Cordially. ### ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Smashing Capitalism
IMO it's because that large percentage has been lead to believe that personal empires that will be inherited by their children, is a birthright, that large majority will not accept modest. I'm not so sure where that leaves the minority? [shrug] Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to Biofuel List from Lewis L Smith My professional judgment is this Sustained mass wealth is probably unsustainable for environmental reasons, but a modest level of dignity and prosperity for a large percentage of the people is not, provided the population of the World can be stabilized. Cordially. ### ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Case for the Electric Tractor
Perhaps I'm reading the article too critically. Diesel tractors do not need the PTO to operate cultivation and seeding implements, that I'm aware of, so it would stand to reason an electric tractor wouldn't either. Desi el or electric a PTO will required to operate some crop harvesting implements. Yes in the past their operation was powered by the wheels of horse pulled ancestors. I would have to think their wouldn't be enough time in a 24 hour day for a modern versions of the to do the amount of work powered equipment in a much shorter, but still plenty long,work day. The AC and they hydraulics will need power, perhaps the hydraulics will provide enough heat for the cab during the winter. Certaintly they will be quieter, but hear the chirping birds quit, may be a stretch I'm sure electric tractors will have to be a part of the solution, so it will be interesting to see how they take shape and if over the road electric tractors will be developed alongside them. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Case for the Electric Tractor
Larry Ruebush wrote: PTO IS USED during planting and cultivating. Often used to run the planter or sprayer. Larry Ruebush west central IL I stand corrected. I'll pay a bit more attention when my my neighbors drill in the wheat this fall. Doug, N0LKK ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
Jason Mier wrote: thats because the old american diesels were poorly designed (being modified gassers) and burned out after a few sickly weak years. Robert's post pointed out the myth about the GM Diesels being modified Oldsmobile Gasoline engines. Oddly, wikipedia articles both perpetuate and dispel the myth. Most likely I hadn't seen a vehicle equipped with a GM V6 diesel is because this is an agriculture and oil field area. Full sized family sedans where expected to be able to work as hard as a pickup if need be and would have V8 power. Many around here do miss the availability pickups and full sized sedans with the GM 5.7 diesel. Just too far away from the big cities to buy imported models. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dick Cheney is right
Respectfully this is old news. Americans ignored it when it was trotted out before the run up to the Iraq invasion. Even with the fact his words have proven true, I doubt that many more Americans are going to care today. I don't believe it would change things if there where. This Administration is suicidally stubborn and this Congress is too timid to figuratively grab the administration by the lapels and throw it against a wall and proceed to pound some sense into it. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found
In this Catholic area, 2-3-4 kids seems to be typical, but 6 or more isn't unheard of. I would have a difficult time labeling any of those women anything less then empowered. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. Zeke Yewdall wrote: On 8/16/07, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the evidence shows that as people's economic situation improves, as soon as they're not too poverty-stricken to feed their children, their breeding rate slows right down. The surefire way to do that is to empower the women, and especially to educate the women. Statistically, this probably is true. But in my experience, portions of the US are not doing very well at this. The Mormon church in Utah (about 60 of my relatives) still seems to be averaging 4 or more children per family, even in good economic situations. True, this is way less than alot of the developing world, but still way higher than most of the developed world. I'm not as familiar with the evangelical movement in the US, but I get them impression that empowering women is not a high priority of theirs either. Z ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
