Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-15 Thread leo bunyan
But NZ did recover and is doing so well that a lot of our pollies are buying up land there ie Bob Carr ex NSW PremierDoug Foskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the influence is more evil than ANZAS. I think the US has a stranglehold over our pollies. There was a rumour that the last time Austra

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-15 Thread Mike Weaver
We can't even keep our own currency up these days...the USD has steadily gone down. We're living on borrowed time (and money). What I can't understand is why a lot of the Commonwealth countries follow along by electing the pols the do - Oz, Canada and I don't know as much about the Kiwis - but

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-15 Thread Doug Foskey
I think the influence is more evil than ANZAS. I think the US has a stranglehold over our pollies. There was a rumour that the last time Australia stood up to the US, our $A nosedived. The rumour was that unless we behaved, it would keep going down. Look too at the rollercoaster ride of the $NZ

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-15 Thread leo bunyan
Hi DougIt's not a matter  of if the EPA laws will be introduced in Oz but When.I saw a journalist on the telly the other night that said "what happens in  the US follows on to Aust."We now have fire ants in Oz that came from 2nd hand Agriculture equipment imported from the Statesbecause when we com

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-15 Thread Doug Foskey
We have a local shrub also (little man trying to be like (& liked) by George...) There is some GM in Aust, but it seems not to have a toe-hold. I was wondering, with our govt signing the US FTA (Free (as in not...) Trade Agreement) if the EPA laws that have been watered in the US will be intr

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-15 Thread Keith Addison
"Vegetarianism is a cultural and social, rather than a biological, phenomenon. Anatomically and physiologically, the digestive organs of the human species are designed for both animal and plant foods. Moreover, a global cross-cultural survey demonstrates the fact that all cultures, past and pre

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Jason& Katie
ct: Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View > Hi Marilyn, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Kirk wrote >>A friend of mine raises cattle on the highline in Montana. It takes 40 >>acres to >>support 1 cow. The land is useless for agriculture as it

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread JJJN
Hi Marilyn, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Kirk wrote >A friend of mine raises cattle on the highline in Montana. It takes 40 acres >to >support 1 cow. The land is useless for agriculture as it is too dry and there >is >no water for irrigation. Without cattle it would yield nothing to eat unless

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.biblelife.org/abrams2.htm Vegetarianism: Another View H. Leon Abrams, Jr., MA, EDS Associate Professor Emeritus of Anthropology, ECJC, University System of Georgia, Swainsboro, Georgia. Reprinted with permission of the author. Early Humankind Vegetarianism is a cultural and social, r

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.biblelife.org/abrams.htm Anthropological Research Reveals HumanDietary Requirements for Optimal Health H. Leon Abrams, Jr., MA, EDS Associate Professor Emeritus of Anthropology, ECJC, University System of Georgia, Swainsboro, Georgia. Journal of Applied Nutrition, 1982, 16:1:38-45 Rep

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Chris Lloyd
> Question for anyone who knows: Is it too cold for him to grow Jerusalem artichokes? I've heard they take no irrigation and are very good for making ethanol.< I do not know about their temperature range but don't they require good fertile soil? Chris.

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Kirk McLoren
JA - They look like little sunflowers and they stand quite a bit of aridity. Not this much aridity. It would be desert where he lives except the long winter saves its little precipitation for warmer times. I asked him if he was ranching there just to prove he could.   Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread marilyn
Kirk wrote A friend of mine raises cattle on the highline in Montana. It takes 40 acres to support 1 cow. The land is useless for agriculture as it is too dry and there is no water for irrigation. Without cattle it would yield nothing to eat unless you want to munch on the native bunch grasses

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread lres1
I think overall Darwin, or the publishers, got it wrong, the green slime is at the top and the upper class Englishman, plus a few others, at the bottom, for some reason it got inverted in the printed or remembered versions, or was it just too darn much? Several millenium and what does the world hav

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Mike Weaver
keep up the boycott - otherwise we'll never learn. Chris Lloyd wrote: >>But for the contamination: they are fed on genetically modified protein: >>would you trust it??) < >> >> > >No, I do my best never to eat any GM products but it's not easy with the US >pushing GM products and out stupid

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Chris Lloyd
> But for the contamination: they are fed on genetically modified protein: > would you trust it??) < No, I do my best never to eat any GM products but it's not easy with the US pushing GM products and out stupid PM acting as Bushes puppet. Luckily there is a large proportion of the population t

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread doug
chem.dd wrote: > I find it interesting that some people think that it is morally wrong > for humans to eat meat. I respect and understand some groups who > choose not to eat meat due to specific religious beliefs. > Humans are omnivores because we evolved that way. There are other > animals t

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Doug Foskey
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 6:36, Chris Lloyd wrote: > Save the animals and stop wasting water by using it for irrigation, > legalize murder and encourage cannibalism. Problem solved, how's that for > radical? Chris. & the fattest, juiciest ones come from southern N America! (But for the conta

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Robert, Wednesday, 14 June, 2006, 01:21:48, you wrote: ...snip... rabr> Hmm . . . Maybe that's not what the scriptures are referring to, rabr> anyway. Maybe I'd better go back and read that verse again. And then, rabr> isn't there something about fishermen spreading nets along the

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Kirk, Tuesday, 13 June, 2006, 22:01:59, you wrote: KM> A friend of mine raises cattle on the highline in Montana. It takes 40 acres to support 1 cow. The land is useless for agriculture as it is too dry and there is no water for irrigation. Without KM> cattle it would yield nothing to eat

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread chem.dd
: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View A friend of mine raises cattle on the highline in Montana. It takes 40 acres to support 1 cow. The land is useless for agriculture as it is too dry and there is no water for irrigation. Without cattle it would yield nothing to eat unless

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Chris Lloyd
Save the animals and stop wasting water by using it for irrigation, legalize murder and encourage cannibalism. Problem solved, how's that for radical?  Chris.  ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailma

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Jim, Wednesday, 14 June, 2006, 00:56:51, you wrote: J> Excellent Piece Keith, I did enjoy it and must agree. J> I may add to the argument that is stated, J> " primal conviction that killing is wrong. It is just plain wrong to J> take another animal's life unnecessarily; it is bloody, b

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-13 Thread robert and benita rabello
JJJN wrote: >Excellent Piece Keith, I did enjoy it and must agree. > > You and Keith are SUCH savage carnivores! : - ) > I may add to the argument that is stated, > " primal conviction that killing is wrong. It is just plain wrong to >take another animal's life unnecessarily; it is blo

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-13 Thread JJJN
Excellent Piece Keith, I did enjoy it and must agree. I may add to the argument that is stated, " primal conviction that killing is wrong. It is just plain wrong to take another animal's life unnecessarily; it is bloody, brutal, and barbaric." If this is true then why is the Wolf wired to kil

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-13 Thread Kirk McLoren
A friend of mine raises cattle on the highline in Montana. It takes 40 acres to support 1 cow. The land is useless for agriculture as it is too dry and there is no water for irrigation. Without cattle it would yield nothing to eat unless you want to munch on the native bunch grasses.   Kirkpan ru

[Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-13 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.westonaprice.org/healthissues/ethicsmeat.html The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View By Charles Eisenstein Most vegetarians I know are not primarily motivated by nutrition. Although they argue strenuously for the health benefits of a vegetarian diet, many see good health as a rew