you guys care to know the real kicker? the systems that i looked up use KOH
in the reaction chambers to produce the hydrogen, not solely water.
---
[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
___
Biofuel mailing list
All of the little electrolyzers I have seen use KOH as the
electrolyte. Essentially no more than a ni-cad battery run at well
above electrolysis voltage, with means to separate and gather the
oxygen and hydrogen, rather than just venting it out of the top of the
cell like the batteries do. And
Jason and Katie wrote:
you guys care to know the real kicker? the systems that i looked up use KOH
in the reaction chambers to produce the hydrogen, not solely water.
Why is that a real kicker? The KOH serves to lower the electrical
resistance of the water. Nafion membranes do the
: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
1 liter of water = 1000g divide by molecular wt of water 18 gives 55.6
moles
of water x 2 for 111 moles of H
1 liter of ethanol = 789.3 g divide by molecular wt of 46.07 = 17.1 mole
of
ethanol x 6 for 103 moles of H per liter. adding ethanol
Robert,
Do you plan any experiments in the near future?
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 19:37
Subject: hydrogen power
SNIP
I have built several electrolyzers
SNIP
Greg and April wrote:
Robert,
Do you plan any experiments in the near future?
Greg H.
Things are very slow with my business right now, so I'm in let's not
spend any money mode. I've been having a chronic problem with
bogging and stalling off idle with my truck (which otherwise
fuel. This suggests
that either we are lacking important information or there is a scam at work.
Cheers,
Bob Adams
- Original Message -
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose
And justhow long do they have to make
the adjustments?
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From:
john owens
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005
13:45
Subject: [Biofuel] truckers choose
hydrogen power
I dono
I dono if this is realy related to truckers using hydrogen but this
website
http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/ claims
to increase milage on cars by 50% they will also instal units and if
with the right adjusments they cant give a 50% increase in milage
they will give
Well if I can ever figure out the secret to the electrolized
'alternative biodiesel process' which the patent abstract claims
produces hydrogen as a byproduct, it may one day be possible to
electolize the vegetable oil/alcohol mixture at the injector rail and
have hydrogen injection to boot.
@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2005 13:45
*Subject:* [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
I dono if this is realy related to truckers using hydrogen but
this website http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/ claims to increase
milage on cars by 50
First discussed on the list in 2001, with scepticism. Strange that
five years later it's still not exactly a household name and not to
be found on every other motor. Or maybe that's not so strange.
That is not really surprising when you read that the total cost of
installing it on a truck was
]
*To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2005 13:45
*Subject:* [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
I dono if this is realy related to truckers using hydrogen but
this website http
Message -
*From:* john owens mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2005 13:45
*Subject:* [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
I dono if this is realy related
: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:54
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
If after making the proper adjustments, we cannot achieve a 50%
increase in mileage over the baseline mileage figures, *the
Hydrogen-Boost system is yours free of charge*. However if we achieve
over 50
This site is setting of nine thousand kinds of alarm bells in my head.
Read their challenge.
Open to anyone who
wants to take a chance. You
decide to purchase the complete Hydrogen-Boost system with
installation, at individual component prices and we will guarantee a
Kurt Nolte wrote:
This site is setting of nine thousand kinds of alarm bells in my head.
A good thing! I'd stay away from those people . . .
robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca
Ranger Supercharger Project Page
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hears bells in his head.
Kurt Nolte wrote:
This site is setting of nine thousand kinds of alarm bells in my head.
Read their challenge.
Open to anyone who wants to take a chance. You decide to purchase
the complete Hydrogen-Boost system with
Surely this can be verified on a dynamometer at all combinations of
power, rpm, air temp or what have you. I even saw a pic of a dyno on
the web page. Isn't there any data?
Joe
Mike Weaver wrote:
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hears bells in his head.
Kurt Nolte wrote:
This
On 11/22/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Surely this can be verified on a dynamometer at all combinations of
power, rpm, air temp or what have you. I even saw a pic of a dyno on
the web page. Isn't there any data?
Not that I could see. No charts, tables, or even references to
On 11/22/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hears bells in his head.
Sometimes I hear whistles instead.
___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
/Alternative_Energy_Politics/
---Original Message---
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen
power- now acetone
Sent: 18 Nov '05 20:47
while we are on this thread, might we wander back
a few months to a
related issue? That is the claim
the effects of electricity
through alcohol?
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 16:31
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen
power
H. Well, considering that they go
Ken Riznyk wrote:
Has anyone ever done electrolysis.
Yes, many times!
Additionally you need to add an electrolyte
to the distilled water usually sulfuric acid. Where is
the truck driver going to get distilled water and
sulfuric acid on the road.
The electrolyte can be a
I dono if this is realy related to truckers using hydrogen but this website http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/claims to increase milage on cars by 50% they will also instal units and if
with the right adjusmentsthey cant give a 50% increase in milage they will give you the unit free.
John
@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power- now acetone
I added a cupful of acetone to a tank on my VW jetta
TDI. I heard so boiling and hissing coming from the
fuel tank for about 5 minutes. I didn't notice any
increase in fuel economy. I only tried the acetone
once.
Ken
PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:41:33 -0700
The water may be more plentiful, but, it still takes up volume and mass.
1 gal of water weighs about 8.35 lbs. and takes up
Ok, I was thinking that since alcohol had more H2 per molecule.
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: michael skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 21:07
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
1 liter of water
- Original Message -
From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:12
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
The company says they have overcome the problem of the water freezing.
No indication they have
Darryl McMahon wrote:
when water is broken down to O2 and H2 applied to fuel at a rate of 1/375?
So now we are supposed to believe that some device will improve efficiency
Catalysts can work at even lower ratios.
That's not really relevent here since we're not talking about any kind
Of Alt.EnergyNetwork
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:06 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power- now acetone
Hi,
Yes I was wondering about the acetone experiments also.
As far as I know a few people on 2 or 3 other lists were going to document
: Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
William Adams wrote:
Interesting calculation, and good for back-of-the-envelope stuff. I
just wanted to point out that an 1800 RPM 10 liter engine will consume
150 liters of air/second, not 300 since it only
o: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 23:50
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
Hi Greg,
On water consumption, some order of magnitude, back of an envelope,
calculations can be done (don't look for precision, I'm making several
a
? And, is the concept for real?
Bob Adams
Bob Adams
- Original Message -
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
William Adams wrote:
I
William Adams wrote:
David,
Thanks for the correction of air intake. Agreed, it would be good to look at
the beast. Can the anecdotes can be believed ? And, is the concept for real?
The concept of supplemental hydrogen injection IS a valid one.
Whether or not this can be
Joe Street wrote:
But don't those heavy trucks use two stroke diesels? I thought the
serious big diesels were always running on a two stroke cycle?
No. The big 10 liter CATs, Cummins, Detroits and Volvos in modern
Class 8 trucks are 4 stroke turbo diesels. I used to run a truck /
while we are on this thread, might we wander back a few months to a
related issue? That is the claim that addition of small amounts of
acetone to both compression and spark ignition engines would result in
dramatic increases in fuel efficiency, as much as 35 % increases claimed
by some.
/
---Original Message---
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power- now acetone
Sent: 18 Nov '05 20:47
while we are on this thread, might we wander back a few months to a
related issue? That is the claim that addition of small
William Adams wrote:
David,
Thanks for the correction of air intake. Agreed, it would be good to look at
the beast. Can the anecdotes can be believed ? And, is the concept for real?
Let's try putting a couple of things together here
Darryl says:
According to the CHEC website
-
From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 16:31
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
H. Well, considering that they go through 100 gallons of diesel
fuel in an 8 hour day, and water (even clean water) is way more
: Thursday, November 17, 2005 16:31
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
H. Well, considering that they go through 100 gallons of diesel
fuel in an 8 hour day, and water (even clean water) is way more
plentiful than diesel), that actually doesn't seem that bad
Darryl McMahon wrote:
I'm as much a hydrogen skeptic as anyone, but I would like to see
someone investigate this further. The company is in Bowmanville, ON.
I'm about 400 km away. I know there are list members closer than that.
Anyone up for a visit to check them out.
One of
,
Bob, West Linn, OR
- Original Message -
From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
I have been wondering what the rate of water usage is.
Greg H
Wessex Ferret Club
www.wessexferretclub.co.uk
___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
no.
Cheers,
Bob, West Linn, OR
- Original Message -
From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
I have been wondering what the rate of water usage is.
Greg H
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 23:50
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
Hi Greg,
On water consumption, some order of magnitude, back of an envelope,
calculations can be done (don't look for precision, I'm making several
say, puede
que si, o puede que no.
Cheers,
Bob, West Linn, OR
- Original Message -
From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
I have been
@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 23:50
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
Hi Greg,
On water consumption, some order of magnitude, back of an envelope,
calculations can be done (don't look for precision, I'm making several
assumptions). A 10 liter diesel
Truckers Choose Hydrogen Power
http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,69529,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_5
Hundreds of semitrailer trucks zipping along North
American highways are now powered in part by hydrogen.
These 18-wheelers make hydrogen as they go, eliminating
the need for
Okay, I can buy the reductions in emissions from some hydrogen
injection, and maybe by causing more complete combustion it could
increase efficiency a bit, but the first law of thermodynamics
remains. Using generous efficiency numbers: You take energy out of
the engine from the alternator -- 80%
: Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Truckers Choose Hydrogen Power
http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,69529,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_5
Simon Fowler MADUR-SALES wrote:
So, somebody else knows how to get something for nothing. Why won't they
tell me how they do it? In my world, the energy to split the molecules
on the go comes from the alternator, which gets its power from the fuel
via the engine. How come it never works
I have been wondering what the rate of water usage is.
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 19:37
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power
This process does not violate
53 matches
Mail list logo
