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2002-11-25 Thread Doug Foskey
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:24, you wrote: Hello Everyone! There's a lot of ignorance about energy issues out there. I suppose people in forums like this one have a LOT of educating to do. . . robert luis rabello Totally agree. I built my own house (with the help of contractors)

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2002-11-25 Thread Kim Garth Travis
I am not arguing that in some parts of the US, pallets may be a one time use, but in my part of Texas, there is a $10 deposit per pallet on hardwood pallets. You can still scrounge good pallets, but it is getting harder. I have a floor made of OSB on pallets, works great. [temporary living

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2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Robert! Welcome back. I hope you're receiving messages okay now. Please let me know if you have any problems. Re wasted wood, I picked this up somewhere or other, for the US, not Canada: In 1999, for instance, 7.5 million tons of wooden pallets - platforms associated with shipping -

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2002-11-24 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi Robert, Building houses is always a special experience. I always said that if your marriage survives a building project, it survives almost anything. I inserted some comments, At 10:24 PM 11/23/2002 -0800, you wrote: Hello Everyone! It's been five months since I've been able to post

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2002-11-24 Thread Kim Garth Travis
I have found statistics that say for every three new houses built, one goes in the landfill, labor being more expensive than materials. This being true, many of us have figured out how to build with the landfill materials. There is a list dedicated to this topic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] One man

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2002-11-24 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: Re wasted wood, I picked this up somewhere or other, for the US, not Canada: In 1999, for instance, 7.5 million tons of wooden pallets - platforms associated with shipping - went into the solid waste stream, accounting for over 60 percent of all wood waste. And: There

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2002-11-24 Thread Hakan Falk
Only in America!!! I was not aware of that US made pallets of hardwood and did not think that it could ever be a stupid luxury consumption like this. I can see reason for some pallets to be made of hardwood, but they should be guarded and reused. But this irresponsible behavior cannot be

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2002-11-24 Thread Neil and Adele Craven
- Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back Online snippo Even the fast growing teak, developed mainly in central and south America, takes at least 2-4 the time to mature

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2002-11-24 Thread Hakan Falk
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back Online snippo Even the fast growing teak, developed mainly in central and south America, takes at least 2-4 the time to mature as pine trees and it is questionable if it is still hardwood. The fast growing teak is softer, but still have the natural

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2002-11-24 Thread James Slayden
Just went to the seminar with Ianto Evans promoting his book The Hand Sculpted House and it was excellent. He showed pics of what a stick frame built house looks like after mother nature takes over and what a cob structure looks like (very organic, mud back to mud). I started reading some of

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2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shawn Zenor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, November 24, 2002, at 06:37 AM, Hakan Falk wrote: Only in America!!! snip Hardwood is mostly a tropical or sub tropical tree and how can US use this for pallets and at the same time be upset about the deforestation

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2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
On Sunday, November 24, 2002, at 12:17 PM, Neil and Adele Craven wrote: - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back Online snippo Even the fast growing teak, developed mainly

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2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back Online Only in America!!! I was not aware of that US made pallets of hardwood and did not think that it could ever be a stupid luxury consumption like this. I can see reason for some pallets

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2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, Keith talked about hardwood pallets in US land fills as six per American. This means nearly 2 billion hardwood pallets in land fills. The shear size of this made me quite upset. I know that the Americans are second best in

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2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back Online Only in America!!! I was not aware of that US made pallets of hardwood and did not think that it could ever be a stupid luxury consumption like this. I can see reason for some

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2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting I was just thinking about this while up in Berkley and seeing all the lonely pallets just lying around. It's a shame. I don't know home much of the industry still contiunes to use hardwood pallets, but there is a

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2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
24, 2002 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back Online Only in America!!! I was not aware of that US made pallets of hardwood and did not think that it could ever be a stupid luxury consumption like this. I can see reason for some pallets

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2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
] Back Online Only in America!!! I was not aware of that US made pallets of hardwood and did not think that it could ever be a stupid luxury consumption like this. I can see reason for some pallets to be made of hardwood, but they should be guarded and reused

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2002-11-23 Thread robert luis rabello
Hello Everyone! It's been five months since I've been able to post here. My wife and I have built a new house, and not only have I learned a lot about the building process, I've been astonished at how much waste and inefficiency goes into putting up a home. 1. Builders love concrete.