Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-10 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Hakan Hi Keith, I like to give it a final round and then try to write something and like a response. Also to give some more people opportunity to input. I thought that this subject was important and worth an attempt. But to get everybody involved, hackers seems to be more interesting and I

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-09 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Hakan Keith, First I want to tell you that any loss of power in todays vehicles in my mind does very little change. I have a licence to drive anything on wheels and the practical experiences that it implies. During my life time I have been driving around 3,000,000 km in almost any vehicles

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-09 Thread James Slayden
Hi Hakan, On the note of Socitial Acceptance, it is more than just a Big vs. Small issue, it is a usage issue by the public. If a consumer 'perceives' some sort of limitation in the acceptance and usage of a alternative fuel, then the business case will have to overcome and be able to sustain

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-09 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi Keith, I like to give it a final round and then try to write something and like a response. Also to give some more people opportunity to input. I thought that this subject was important and worth an attempt. But to get everybody involved, hackers seems to be more interesting and I see

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-09 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi James, In most bootstrapping businesses that I experienced and have seen, your comment is a very important part. In a market it is many activities of promotion. In the beginning most of them from local environment, but also from large players that want to prime the markets. This is going

RE: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-09 Thread rwenham
Sounds good to me Good luck raw -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:32 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables Hi James, In most bootstrapping businesses that I experienced and have

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-09 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi again James, I forgot to tell you that a natural defense area for the smaller companies, is precisely the niche markets or for one that wants to have a platform to enter the market in a late stage. The niches is safe territory to operate from, quite like how the military build its

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-07 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi James, Very good, a lot in a short message. This idea about biofuel business start to be more work than I originally thought. Taking the idea of a business, does put some real sustainable demands on the thoughts. Every time I get a few moments to think about it, several new ideas pops up

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-07 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Hakan Hi Keith, Thank you for the help, it is very useful. You're welcome. At 07:36 PM 12/6/2002 +0900, you wrote: snip Possible bi-products: The same as for previous point. Veg. oil do opens up for a larger number of replacement applications, among those are many in the

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Hakan Some stuff to be going on with. This doc has some useful US stats and comparisons: http://www.orau.gov/deer2002/Session4/McCormick.pdf Bob McCormick, National Renewable Energy Laboratory Renewable Diesel Fuels: Status of Technology and RD Needs Presented at 8th Diesel Engine Emissions

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi Keith, Thank you for the help, it is very useful. At 07:36 PM 12/6/2002 +0900, you wrote: snip Possible bi-products: The same as for previous point. Veg. oil do opens up for a larger number of replacement applications, among those are many in the lubrication field. The main by-product

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-06 Thread James Slayden
Hi Hakan, The net energy in Cellulose based ethanol might be higher if the lingin is burned for processing. Since there is issues burning the Glyc from BD it wouldn't add to the BD net energy. The window of opportunity is really dependent on feedstock availability which really isn't

[biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-05 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi Keith, Thank you for your response and I am somewhat uncomfortable with the second table. I am not sure of that the presentation of political - commercial - influencing points are suitable in a table. Need to think more about it. Therefore I like to discuss the basics first and the table

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-05 Thread James Slayden
Might you want to also provide a table with Hydrogen and producer gas also? Seems to me to be somewhat narrow, unless that is the intention. James Slayden On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Hakan Falk wrote: Hi Keith, Thank you for your response and I am somewhat uncomfortable with the second table.

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-05 Thread Hakan Falk
Dear James, I will be happy to, if it is a ready for use technology and anyone of us could start a bio fuel business around it. The concept of my article is bio fuel business. With the demand of ready for use technologies, the subject is surprisingly narrow and it says something about the real

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-05 Thread James Slayden
Hi Hakan, I would counter what is ready for use? Seems to me there is quite a few CNG vehicles out there that would be able to run on producer gas without neary a hitch. As for Hydro, a gas conversion to a standard petro vehicle is possible now. The only thing that is missing on both is a

Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables

2002-12-05 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi James, Yes, I want to catch what we can do today, because tomorrow is rapidly getting closer. I am European (actually Swedish nationality), the last 25 years I lived outside Sweden, actually some time in US also. In France, 100 km from where I live, they have biodiesel, Germany is quite big