Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread Kim Garth Travis
, 2002 7:00 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn Sorry James, The Swiss does not have salmon any longer, cannot survive on the rivers through Germany, Italy and France. They do

RE: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread kirk
] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 7:00 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn Sorry James, The Swiss does not have salmon any longer, cannot survive on the rivers through Germany

Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread Hakan Falk
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn The female harmones come from chlorine being used excessively in our environment. And yes, it is feminizing the environment. There have been many studies about

industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which makes it a good chance that chlorine might brake up to estrogen in the human body, like codeine breaks up to opium? Hakan This whole topic seems to break down into a need to either quit urinating in the

RE: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread kirk
27, 2002 4:08 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn Which makes it a good chance that chlorine might brake up to estrogen in the human body, like codeine breaks up to opium? Hakan At 04

Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread Hakan Falk
I am sorry Motie, You got it backwards. Probably we should drink the urine, since the kidney is very efficient in removing bacteria. As a forest man you must have learned to clean an accidental cut with your own urine to disinfect, if you lack other resources. Drinking it is not good,

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2002-12-27 Thread kirk
therapy, also with good results. -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:01 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz]Re:[biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

RE: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread kirk
Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn I am sorry Motie, You got it backwards. Probably we should drink the urine, since the kidney is very efficient in removing bacteria. As a forest man you must have learned to clean

RE: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread Hakan Falk
: Friday, December 27, 2002 6:48 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn The female harmones come from chlorine being used excessively in our environment. And yes

RE: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread Hakan Falk
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:48 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn I am sorry Motie, You got it backwards. Probably we should drink the urine, since the kidney

Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz]Re:[biofuel]toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread robert luis rabello
kirk wrote: Since ozone cancer therapy is used with good success in Germany I think the people voicing this concern perhaps are associated with chlorine money. Peroxide, another oxidiser is used for cancer therapy, also with good results. I held a part time job when I was in

Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz]Re:[biofuel]toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi Robert, In between the participation in this discussion, I went through the links that Keith gracefully gave us on the subject. Very interesting reading and scary in some parts. Do explain a lot of things, among them higher production and presence of estrogens, it might be over production

RE: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread kirk
- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:48 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn I am sorry Motie, You got it backwards. Probably we should drink

industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry Motie, You got it backwards. Probably we should drink the urine, since the kidney is very efficient in removing bacteria. As a forest man you must have learned to clean an accidental cut with your own urine

Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re:[biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-27 Thread robert luis rabello
kirk wrote: How do they manage to sell it in the US? Shouldn't be able to sell impure water. The regulations that cover municipal water for domestic use do not apply to bottled water. Most of the time, bottled water comes from the tap, and is simply run through a filter. People

Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-26 Thread James Slayden
There is a red worm company that sells worms to fishfarms. Just like livestock, everything under the sun is fed to those poor fish. www.eatwild.com for those who are non-veggies and want good meat James Slayden On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, girl mark wrote: I think I read this (the vegetarian salmon

Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-26 Thread Hakan Falk
A point of order, I have some friends in Sweden that are farming Salmon and it is a very controlled industry, at least in Sweden. Normally the feed them with pellets made of waste from fish industries. Since I was a young boy I have been fishing a lot and have some problems with the info

Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-26 Thread James Slayden
Hakan, Just as the US goes over the top on most everything, the fish industry is just another excess. I have heard of some genetic degradation in the farmed Salmon population due to not enough wild introduction. This has caused sick undersized fish which then need antibotics, extra helpings of

Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-26 Thread Hakan Falk
Sorry James, The Swiss does not have salmon any longer, cannot survive on the rivers through Germany, Italy and France. They do have sweet water Trout. Sweden have now a lot of Salmon and also farmed Salmon. I do not know if Steelhead is a common salmon or a relative in the same way as I

RE: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-26 Thread kirk
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn Sorry James, The Swiss does not have salmon any longer, cannot survive on the rivers through Germany, Italy and France. They do have sweet water Trout

RE: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-26 Thread Hakan Falk
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn Sorry James, The Swiss does not have salmon any longer, cannot survive on the rivers through Germany, Italy and France. They do have sweet water Trout. Sweden have now a lot

RE: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-24 Thread kirk
They feed cows to fish -- or at least they did. Mad fish. :( -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:30 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins

Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-24 Thread girl mark
I think I read this (the vegetarian salmon thing) in the paper recently here, and heard it from locals (who are pretty addicted to salmon). there might be different practices (hell, those factory farming people can make an animal eat anything, it sounds like) in different places. Mark

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-23 Thread James Slayden
Of Course, if someone out there in the growing belt gets a clue . ;-O lemme see make oil, turn into biodiesel, take cake, make into ethanol, use dried mash as heat source for ethanol process, use some of ethanol for biodiesel process, use sun for heating corn SVO Dunno, seems doable.

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-23 Thread Keith Addison
Hi James, MM Of Course, if someone out there in the growing belt gets a clue . ;-O Whisper in their ear James! lemme see make oil, turn into biodiesel, take cake, make into ethanol, use dried mash as heat source for ethanol process, use some of ethanol for biodiesel process, use sun

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2002-12-23 Thread girl mark
I;m starting to really get the picture that the jerks (some of them no doubt well-intentioned) who developed America's current model of industrial agriculture had just a little bit of 'playing god' going on. 'Carnivorous' cows? (ie cannibalistic practices in feed) Cows that are fed their own

Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn

2002-12-23 Thread Keith Addison
I;m starting to really get the picture that the jerks (some of them no doubt well-intentioned) who developed America's current model of industrial agriculture had just a little bit of 'playing god' going on. Yes, and they still do (GMOs, eg). As for their intentions, how about this? From the