Which makes it a good chance that chlorine might brake up to estrogen in the human body, like codeine breaks up to opium?
Hakan At 04:54 PM 12/27/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Ordinary chlorine, like in the bleach or in drinking water turns into >estrogen as it breaks down in the wild. That is the problem with it. >Bright Blessings, >Kim > >kirk wrote: > > > My Doctor said it was due to birth control pills as also said the article I > > read from Britain. I don't see how chloramines change fish gender or render > > women incapable of child bearing. Major biological effect I am aware of > from > > chlorine is cancer. > > > > As for water purification ozone is far superior. Costs a few pennies > more is > > all. > > Is used in Europe I hear. Not aware of any in US. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kim & Garth Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 6:48 AM > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: > > [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn > > > > > > The female harmones come from chlorine being used excessively in our > > environment. And yes, it is feminizing the environment. There have been > > many studies about this, I can't quote them off the top of my head, > > since it has been about 8 years since I studied it. The original > > article I saw was in Science Digest, in 1993 and I know that it was the > > Ph.D. candidate question at Texas A&M for environmental sciences a > > couple of years later. > > > > If more people would use the sun to get white clothes and leave the > > bleach out of the laundry, it would help. Also, if a dechlorinator was > > automatically added to the jet style septic systems. Those of us on > > wells can get away with not using chlorine in our water, most of the > > time, but the city suppliers can't. People quit talking about the > > issue, I think since it is almost impossible to quit using chlorine. > > > > Bright Blessings, > > Kim > > > > kirk wrote: > > > > > >> Female hormone level in some streams is affecting the fish -- there was a > >> story recently about this in GB. > >> Hormone is in waste water, from birth control pills. I was surprised fish > >> react to mammal hormones. > >> > >> As for ocean fish and color shrimp are not fed to farmed fish. They are > > > > fed > > > >> pellets and I know for a time they contained slaughter house waste. You > > > > know > > > >> flamingoes are not pink unless they get crustaceans from brackish > >> environment. > >> Fish are probably a similar process. > >> > >> Kirk > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 7:00 PM > >> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: > >> [biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn > >> > >> > >> > >> Sorry James, > >> > >> The Swiss does not have salmon any longer, cannot survive on the rivers > >> through Germany, Italy and France. They do have sweet water Trout. Sweden > >> have now a lot of Salmon and also farmed Salmon. I do not know if > > > > Steelhead > > > >> is a common salmon or a relative in the same way as I described or it > > > > could > > > >> even be the name I did not know. > >> > >> Farming does effect the fish quality, mainly because of the lack of muscle > >> building. Do effect the taste in the same way as farmed pigs and wild. The > >> sick fish you refer to, could have been the pest that was going through > > > > the > > > >> industry around 10-15 years ago. They had to slaughter all farmed fish in > >> Scandinavia and I believe US also, it took a while before they could start > >> again and especially to get the larger size Salmons. > >> > >> They slaughtered the fish in fish farms to protect the wild population > > > > from > > > >> getting the bug. I have never heard about antibiotics used in fish > > > > farming. > > > >> In cattle farming I know of the extremely irresponsible use of antibiotics > >> and I think that it is some countries that even give them hormones, a > >> practice not allowed in Europe. At least in Europe they are trying to > >> maintain the difference between human sexes and not try to indirectly feed > >> the population with female hormones. I know that US is all for equality, > >> but to achieve this by hormones might be too excessive. Maybe women lib. > >> organizations are behind it? > >> > >> Hakan > >> > >> At 05:14 PM 12/26/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >> >Hakan, > >> > > >> >Just as the US goes over the top on most everything, the fish industry > > > > is > > > >> >just another excess. I have heard of some genetic degradation in the > >> >farmed Salmon population due to not enough wild introduction. This has > >> >caused sick undersized fish which then need antibotics, extra helpings > > > > of > > > >> >protien, and such. This just leads to more of the same thing we see in > >> >the cattle industries. Short cuts and greed causing major environmental > >> >and biological issues. There has also been some noted changes in the > >> >enviromental impact of fish farms especially in the latin countries > > > > where > > > >> >there are even less controls than here. Water levels contain more waste > >> >than should be which impact other aquatic species. I applaud the Swiss > > > > in > > > >> >their management of such industries, as they do across the board, but in > >> >the US it is a different beast altogether. > >> > > >> >On the note of flesh colour, I believe that open ocean (especially cold > >> >ocean water) causes the flesh to be red, as steelhead also have that > > > > color > > > >> >(and flavour). Something about an oxygen rich environ comes to mind. > >> > > >> > >> > >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> > >> Biofuels list archives: > >> http://archive.nnytech.net/ > >> > >> Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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