Re: [biofuel] Re: Smokin BioD, not smokin on PetroD
> sorry, yeah, a 6.9L. I still can't believe 6.9 litres could move so > slow. It does help explain the volume of smoke though, 9 1/4 wine > bottles worth of combustion space! Wow, that seemed like a lot until I > converted it to beers, only 19 1/2, still a solid days work. > >>You mean a 6.9 engine though, > > Steve Murphy > Mapping Technician > Truckee Donner PUD > (530) 582-3943 > Steve, no they are not racecars, but aside from a few issues, they are a bulletproof motor. You should not be having excessive smoke like that. It indicates that your timing is off or something is wrong with the fuel system. Here's how it SHOULD be. You ought to have a little puff of smoke, any color, immediately on startup, evident with biodiesel or #2, and she will smoke grey/blue until she's warm(180-200*F) after that, you should have NO smoke at idle and only some black smoke under hard acceleration, like around shift pointsd or at WOT. Mine idles and drives around town with no smoke at all except under hard acceleration, when cold or after a long idle. I'd highly recommend you visit this website: forums.thedieselstop.com These guys are teh Ford Diesel experts. I'm just learning. We also have our own dedicated biodiesel and alternative fuels forum. Good luck, J.D. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Smokin BioD, not smokin on PetroD
sorry, yeah, a 6.9L. I still can't believe 6.9 litres could move so slow. It does help explain the volume of smoke though, 9 1/4 wine bottles worth of combustion space! Wow, that seemed like a lot until I converted it to beers, only 19 1/2, still a solid days work. >You mean a 6.9 engine though, Steve Murphy Mapping Technician Truckee Donner PUD (530) 582-3943 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Smokin BioD, not smokin on PetroD
I used to have one a 1987 f350 with the 6.9 what helped the thing stop smoking as bad was opening up the intake system and give it some air. David - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Smokin BioD, not smokin on PetroD > > J.D, thanks a lot for the response. > > OK, > You mean a 6.9 engine though, unless you have done a Cummins conversion. > I have an '86 with the 6.9 and it smoke like that before I got teh timing > set right. Another thing is, when they smoke its like a lot of the old > OTR Cummins L-10s and Macks, it lets out a good stream of bluish/black > smoke. At least it looks blue from the drivers seat, but in the pass seat > or in another car, you can tell that it is indeed gray/black smoke. This > makes it a very good idea to convert them to non-fossil fuel to reduce > pollution. I hate to say it, but another thing to consider is the > condition of the fuel injectors and injection pump. These engines are > great, but the fuel system leaves much to be desired ):. If you have a > good engine and your temp is good, it HAS top be fuel related. > Good Luck, > J.D. > > The truck is indeed an F250, '85 with the 5.9L engine. I like your > > assessment. The timing is the only one of the three causes that I could > > see being related to the fuel. I will keep loggin more miles and see if > > the problem keeps up. I think today I'll take a drive down to Reno to > > make sure the engine is good and warm. I think I will wait until I have > > developed a more reliable bioDiesel supply and then have the engine > > tuned and timed around that fuel. I'm also skeptical of this batch of > > fuel. We'll see how the smoke goes if I can get some commercial B100 to > > rule out fuel impurity issues. The guy who made my fuel usually only > > washes batches that are going into his girlfriend's new Jetta, so I > > can't rule the fuel out. > > > > Thanks for the response, > > Steve > > > > Steve Murphy > > Mapping Technician > > Truckee Donner PUD > > (530) 582-3943 > > > >>My thought is that blue smoke is usually caused by 1 of 3 things > >>1) Oil being burnt, blowing by teh rings or valves > >>2) Timing too far advanced or too far retarded > >>3) Engine too cold > >>I will assume its not #1. You'd have noticed that on B10 or > > petrodiesel also > >>I lean towrad #2. Biodiesel has a higher cetane rating than > > petrodiesel. > >>Timing is set according to cetane content. > >>I would also think its not 3, not at least if your engine temp is in > > the > >>right range. We'll assume its timing then, but thinking about cetane > >>always gives me a headache. I can't remember whether timing should be > >>more retarded for higer cetane or more advanced. I do know that many > >>environmentally conscious individuals suggest retarding the engine's > >>timing 2-3* to overcome BD's higher cetane, so I guess you're probably > > too > >>far advanced. I would suggest getting the timing done on the fuel you > >>want to use most of the time at a good diesel shop unless you have a > >>timing tool yourself. First lets find out what type of engine this is. > > > >>You say it has dual tanks, so I'm assuming its a Ford F-series. Is it > > a > >>powerstroke, a 6.9 or a 7.3 IDI? With the IDI, you could retard teh > >>timing a dime's thicknessor two and see if it makes a difference. If > > its > >>a PSD, you'll need to let the pros handle it since its computer > >>controlled. On an IDI, you loosen the 3 injector pump mounting bolts > > and > >>rotate the pump itself. Be advised, you won't get much movement out of > >>it, just a hair, but a little makes a lot of difference. BTW, you > > rotate > >>it toward the driver's side to retard the timing and toward the pass > > side > >>to advance it. I think its timing. Look into it. > >>J.D. > >> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
Re: [biofuel] Re: Smokin BioD, not smokin on PetroD
Steve, I am driving an '86 F250 with a home-brew biodiesel product in a B50 mixture format without any problems here. Been doing so for four months now. It's been a great experience for me driving past the gas stations. I put a new aftermarket 38 gallon fuel tank on the truck. That was a job, but well worth it. I have not really conducted any formal washing [like bubble washing] to this point with any of the fuel I have produced. The engine your probably referring to is a 6.9L international which would be found in an '85 F250 diesel. Good luck, Michael + Quoting Steve Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > J.D, thanks a lot for the response. > > The truck is indeed an F250, '85 with the 5.9L engine. I like your > assessment. The timing is the only one of the three causes that I could > see being related to the fuel. I will keep loggin more miles and see if > the problem keeps up. I think today I'll take a drive down to Reno to > make sure the engine is good and warm. I think I will wait until I have > developed a more reliable bioDiesel supply and then have the engine > tuned and timed around that fuel. I'm also skeptical of this batch of > fuel. We'll see how the smoke goes if I can get some commercial B100 to > rule out fuel impurity issues. The guy who made my fuel usually only > washes batches that are going into his girlfriend's new Jetta, so I > can't rule the fuel out. > > Thanks for the response, > Steve > > Steve Murphy > Mapping Technician > Truckee Donner PUD > (530) 582-3943 > > >My thought is that blue smoke is usually caused by 1 of 3 things > >1) Oil being burnt, blowing by teh rings or valves > >2) Timing too far advanced or too far retarded > >3) Engine too cold > >I will assume its not #1. You'd have noticed that on B10 or > petrodiesel also > >I lean towrad #2. Biodiesel has a higher cetane rating than > petrodiesel. > >Timing is set according to cetane content. > >I would also think its not 3, not at least if your engine temp is in > the > >right range. We'll assume its timing then, but thinking about cetane > >always gives me a headache. I can't remember whether timing should be > >more retarded for higer cetane or more advanced. I do know that many > >environmentally conscious individuals suggest retarding the engine's > >timing 2-3* to overcome BD's higher cetane, so I guess you're probably > too > >far advanced. I would suggest getting the timing done on the fuel you > >want to use most of the time at a good diesel shop unless you have a > >timing tool yourself. First lets find out what type of engine this is. > > >You say it has dual tanks, so I'm assuming its a Ford F-series. Is it > a > >powerstroke, a 6.9 or a 7.3 IDI? With the IDI, you could retard teh > >timing a dime's thicknessor two and see if it makes a difference. If > its > >a PSD, you'll need to let the pros handle it since its computer > >controlled. On an IDI, you loosen the 3 injector pump mounting bolts > and > >rotate the pump itself. Be advised, you won't get much movement out of > >it, just a hair, but a little makes a lot of difference. BTW, you > rotate > >it toward the driver's side to retard the timing and toward the pass > side > >to advance it. I think its timing. Look into it. > >J.D. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Smokin BioD, not smokin on PetroD
> J.D, thanks a lot for the response. > OK, You mean a 6.9 engine though, unless you have done a Cummins conversion. I have an '86 with the 6.9 and it smoke like that before I got teh timing set right. Another thing is, when they smoke its like a lot of the old OTR Cummins L-10s and Macks, it lets out a good stream of bluish/black smoke. At least it looks blue from the drivers seat, but in the pass seat or in another car, you can tell that it is indeed gray/black smoke. This makes it a very good idea to convert them to non-fossil fuel to reduce pollution. I hate to say it, but another thing to consider is the condition of the fuel injectors and injection pump. These engines are great, but the fuel system leaves much to be desired ):. If you have a good engine and your temp is good, it HAS top be fuel related. Good Luck, J.D. > The truck is indeed an F250, '85 with the 5.9L engine. I like your > assessment. The timing is the only one of the three causes that I could > see being related to the fuel. I will keep loggin more miles and see if > the problem keeps up. I think today I'll take a drive down to Reno to > make sure the engine is good and warm. I think I will wait until I have > developed a more reliable bioDiesel supply and then have the engine > tuned and timed around that fuel. I'm also skeptical of this batch of > fuel. We'll see how the smoke goes if I can get some commercial B100 to > rule out fuel impurity issues. The guy who made my fuel usually only > washes batches that are going into his girlfriend's new Jetta, so I > can't rule the fuel out. > > Thanks for the response, > Steve > > Steve Murphy > Mapping Technician > Truckee Donner PUD > (530) 582-3943 > >>My thought is that blue smoke is usually caused by 1 of 3 things >>1) Oil being burnt, blowing by teh rings or valves >>2) Timing too far advanced or too far retarded >>3) Engine too cold >>I will assume its not #1. You'd have noticed that on B10 or > petrodiesel also >>I lean towrad #2. Biodiesel has a higher cetane rating than > petrodiesel. >>Timing is set according to cetane content. >>I would also think its not 3, not at least if your engine temp is in > the >>right range. We'll assume its timing then, but thinking about cetane >>always gives me a headache. I can't remember whether timing should be >>more retarded for higer cetane or more advanced. I do know that many >>environmentally conscious individuals suggest retarding the engine's >>timing 2-3* to overcome BD's higher cetane, so I guess you're probably > too >>far advanced. I would suggest getting the timing done on the fuel you >>want to use most of the time at a good diesel shop unless you have a >>timing tool yourself. First lets find out what type of engine this is. > >>You say it has dual tanks, so I'm assuming its a Ford F-series. Is it > a >>powerstroke, a 6.9 or a 7.3 IDI? With the IDI, you could retard teh >>timing a dime's thicknessor two and see if it makes a difference. If > its >>a PSD, you'll need to let the pros handle it since its computer >>controlled. On an IDI, you loosen the 3 injector pump mounting bolts > and >>rotate the pump itself. Be advised, you won't get much movement out of >>it, just a hair, but a little makes a lot of difference. BTW, you > rotate >>it toward the driver's side to retard the timing and toward the pass > side >>to advance it. I think its timing. Look into it. >>J.D. >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Smokin BioD, not smokin on PetroD
J.D, thanks a lot for the response. The truck is indeed an F250, '85 with the 5.9L engine. I like your assessment. The timing is the only one of the three causes that I could see being related to the fuel. I will keep loggin more miles and see if the problem keeps up. I think today I'll take a drive down to Reno to make sure the engine is good and warm. I think I will wait until I have developed a more reliable bioDiesel supply and then have the engine tuned and timed around that fuel. I'm also skeptical of this batch of fuel. We'll see how the smoke goes if I can get some commercial B100 to rule out fuel impurity issues. The guy who made my fuel usually only washes batches that are going into his girlfriend's new Jetta, so I can't rule the fuel out. Thanks for the response, Steve Steve Murphy Mapping Technician Truckee Donner PUD (530) 582-3943 >My thought is that blue smoke is usually caused by 1 of 3 things >1) Oil being burnt, blowing by teh rings or valves >2) Timing too far advanced or too far retarded >3) Engine too cold >I will assume its not #1. You'd have noticed that on B10 or petrodiesel also >I lean towrad #2. Biodiesel has a higher cetane rating than petrodiesel. >Timing is set according to cetane content. >I would also think its not 3, not at least if your engine temp is in the >right range. We'll assume its timing then, but thinking about cetane >always gives me a headache. I can't remember whether timing should be >more retarded for higer cetane or more advanced. I do know that many >environmentally conscious individuals suggest retarding the engine's >timing 2-3* to overcome BD's higher cetane, so I guess you're probably too >far advanced. I would suggest getting the timing done on the fuel you >want to use most of the time at a good diesel shop unless you have a >timing tool yourself. First lets find out what type of engine this is. >You say it has dual tanks, so I'm assuming its a Ford F-series. Is it a >powerstroke, a 6.9 or a 7.3 IDI? With the IDI, you could retard teh >timing a dime's thicknessor two and see if it makes a difference. If its >a PSD, you'll need to let the pros handle it since its computer >controlled. On an IDI, you loosen the 3 injector pump mounting bolts and >rotate the pump itself. Be advised, you won't get much movement out of >it, just a hair, but a little makes a lot of difference. BTW, you rotate >it toward the driver's side to retard the timing and toward the pass side >to advance it. I think its timing. Look into it. >J.D. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
