Re: [swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations
Andre Oppermann wrote: [...] Yea, I guess in the end I am complaining. I personally rather have Nicolas giving a talk about the newest security issues with our equipement [...] Thanks for the support Andre, but I won't make it to Swinog #6 :-( I'll try to come up with some stuff for #7 ;-)) If of interest, have a look at this: Service Provider Backbone Security Forum (Cisco) Amsterdam 02-03/April URL: https://programs.regweb.com/cisco/sp_security_forum/ Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nico. -- Nicolas FISCHBACH ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.securite.org/nico/ Senior Manager - IP Engineering/Security - COLT Telecom Securite.Org Team http://www.securite.org/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations
AC would a presentation about Internet prefix filtering / (routing table size reduction) be of interest for the next SWINOG ? Sure :-) Unfortunatly our schedule is already filled up :-/ But, one of the presentation is not 100% sure. If its discarded, you may have an hour or so for your presentation. I'll keep you updated. P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations
Pascal Gloor wrote: AC would a presentation about Internet prefix filtering / (routing table size reduction) be of interest for the next SWINOG ? Sure :-) Unfortunatly our schedule is already filled up :-/ But, one of the presentation is not 100% sure. If its discarded, you may have an hour or so for your presentation. I'll keep you updated. Hello Pascal, not that I want to complain, but the agenda in the afternoon looks very much like a corporate sales presentation... I mean why do we need Sprint to tell us about trends in IP networking? Don't we know that ourselfs? I am sure their network has less than 20ms and bla blabla whatevery SLA and blablabla... Then the overview of an GSM/GPRS network we already had last meeting and it wasn't that funny... Also the DDoS solutions from riverhead are nice and I bet it works best if all ISPs would install such a box in their networks... and then if everyone has installed it, it can also manage all the other problems an ISP usually has to deal with... spam, lawful inception, blocking file sharing, sending automatic invoices on behalf of RIAA and MPAA, etc... Yea, I guess in the end I am complaining. I personally rather have Nicolas giving a talk about the newest security issues with our equipement or Andre giving a talk about how they are crippling the routing tables at Swisscom instead of having some carrier/vendor sales reps giving a talk about their greatest and latest. I mean this is SWINOG after all and not the conference part of Internet Expo. Just ranting, no personal offense! ;) -- Andre -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations
I agree totally with Andre, except for the Sprint stuff - if Sprint sponsors our meeting, I'm O.k. to listen to their sales guy there. But where has the PGP signing session gone, that everybody thought, was a good idea? Cheers, Viktor On Tuesday 25 February 2003 10:06, Andre Oppermann wrote: Pascal Gloor wrote: AC would a presentation about Internet prefix filtering / (routing table size reduction) be of interest for the next SWINOG ? Sure :-) Unfortunatly our schedule is already filled up :-/ But, one of the presentation is not 100% sure. If its discarded, you may have an hour or so for your presentation. I'll keep you updated. Hello Pascal, not that I want to complain, but the agenda in the afternoon looks very much like a corporate sales presentation... I mean why do we need Sprint to tell us about trends in IP networking? Don't we know that ourselfs? I am sure their network has less than 20ms and bla blabla whatevery SLA and blablabla... Then the overview of an GSM/GPRS network we already had last meeting and it wasn't that funny... Also the DDoS solutions from riverhead are nice and I bet it works best if all ISPs would install such a box in their networks... and then if everyone has installed it, it can also manage all the other problems an ISP usually has to deal with... spam, lawful inception, blocking file sharing, sending automatic invoices on behalf of RIAA and MPAA, etc... Yea, I guess in the end I am complaining. I personally rather have Nicolas giving a talk about the newest security issues with our equipement or Andre giving a talk about how they are crippling the routing tables at Swisscom instead of having some carrier/vendor sales reps giving a talk about their greatest and latest. I mean this is SWINOG after all and not the conference part of Internet Expo. Just ranting, no personal offense! ;) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations
not that I want to complain, but the agenda in the afternoon looks very much like a corporate sales presentation... I mean why do we need Sprint to tell us about trends in IP networking? Don't we know that ourselfs? I am sure their network has less than 20ms and bla blabla whatevery SLA and blablabla... Then the overview of an GSM/GPRS network we already had last meeting and it wasn't that funny... Also the DDoS solutions from riverhead are nice and I bet it works best if all ISPs would install such a box in their networks... and then if everyone has installed it, it can also manage all the other problems an ISP usually has to deal with... spam, lawful inception, blocking file sharing, sending automatic invoices on behalf of RIAA and MPAA, etc... Yea, I guess in the end I am complaining. I personally rather have Nicolas giving a talk about the newest security issues with our equipement or Andre giving a talk about how they are crippling the routing tables at Swisscom instead of having some carrier/vendor sales reps giving a talk about their greatest and latest. I mean this is SWINOG after all and not the conference part of Internet Expo. I fully agree that we dont want any commercial/marketing presentations :-) but I have a few comments to add... Sprint. As sponsor I think they have the right to get a timeframe for a presentation, but for sure not any kind of marketing presentation. We wont permit it. As always we check the presentations in advance to check their content. Swisscom. This would be a prestation about GSM, not GPRS at all. But this presentation will probably be canceled as the guy is a GPRS guru and we told we already had a presentation about GPRS. If some other people object to have a presentation about GSM, it will be dropped (democracy :-)). RiverHead. I saw their presenation @FRnOG and it might be a great product. I think many of the ISPs will be interested to see how it works etc... Yes you are complaining :-P but, complains are always welcome ... P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Viktor Steinmann wrote: I agree totally with Andre, except for the Sprint stuff - if Sprint sponsors our meeting, I'm O.k. to listen to their sales guy there. Wow. Sponsoring a meeting costs about 1500 sFr. With the planned 60 participants, this is 25 sFr per person. So you are willing to listen to a sales guy for 25 sFr/hour. Even the women cleaning my apartement gets more! Roger -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:44:56 +0100, Pascal Gloor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If some other people object to have a presentation about GSM, it will be dropped (democracy :-)). In this case I object to having a presentation about GSM at the next meeting. I'd much rather hear the talk Andre offered to give on prefix filtering (which we also do by the way). -- Simon. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
RE: [swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations
Hi Andre Yea, I guess in the end I am complaining. I personally rather have No problem, but then please be free to give feedback/offers at the time we make the call for presentations and not 3 weeks later. Just my 0,02$ regards, mike -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations
Hi, would a presentation about Internet prefix filtering / (routing table size reduction) be of interest for the next SWINOG ? Please advise, André - Andre Chapuis IP+ Engineering Swisscom Ltd Genfergasse 14 3050 Bern +41 31 893 89 61 [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCIE #6023 -- - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations
I would be interested in the presentation beyond the fact that there are less routes and less memory usage related to the routing table such as an angle on the actual issues related to the routing topology, by this I mean extra latency to certain destinations, reachability issues, backfire from other SPs, CPU usage, topology changes and churn, etc Thomas - Original Message - From: Andre Chapuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations Hi, would a presentation about Internet prefix filtering / (routing table size reduction) be of interest for the next SWINOG ? Please advise, André - Andre Chapuis IP+ Engineering Swisscom Ltd Genfergasse 14 3050 Bern +41 31 893 89 61 [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCIE #6023 -- - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations
I'd be interested in that - not so much, because I want to do it on my network, but out of curiosity, what swisscom does :-) Cheers, Viktor On Monday 24 February 2003 18:16, Andre Chapuis wrote: Hi, would a presentation about Internet prefix filtering / (routing table size reduction) be of interest for the next SWINOG ? Please advise, André - Andre Chapuis IP+ Engineering Swisscom Ltd Genfergasse 14 3050 Bern +41 31 893 89 61 [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCIE #6023 -- - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations
Bonjour, On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 04:33:28PM +0100, Michel Renfer wrote: We're very happy to do the offical announcement for SwiNOG-6: At this time we're searching for presentations to fill the agenda. If you have a idea or if you want to hold a presentation, please send your offer directly to the list! We would be glad to present the results our Swiss Internet Analysis Diploma Thesis: it would take around 30 minutes, plus maybe 15 for QA. You will find more details under the project homepage: http://www.swiss-internet-analysis.org/ It was a work of the ZHW (Zürcher Hochschule Winterthur), supported by IXEurope Telehouse Facilites AG and with the help of Switch, BAKOM many swiss ISPs. Feedback (and questions etc.) welcome! Regards, Olivier -- _ Olivier Mueller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland qmail projects: http://omail.omnis.ch - http://webmail.omnis.ch -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
[swinog] SwiNOG-6 announcement / Call for presentations
Hi All! We're very happy to do the offical announcement for SwiNOG-6: Date: 10. april 2003 Location: Hotel Kreuz, Berne Sponsor:Sprint Registration can be done trough the SwiNOG homepage: http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/registration.asp At this time we're searching for presentations to fill the agenda. If you have a idea or if you want to hold a presentation, please send your offer directly to the list! I wish you all a nice weekend and hope to see you all @ SwiNOG-6 :-) regards, mike -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
