Greetings, all
I've learned that only one elective office will be contested at the Brisbane
General Assembly -- the biennial meeting of voting delegates during the World
Veterans Athletic Championships in July. So far, the only race is for vice
president (stadia) between incumbent Jim Blair
In a message dated 4/4/01 12:03:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There have been dozens or even
hundreds of kids over the years who were capable of breaking 9:00, but few
of them run it."
Uh, I don't think so.
So, like the marathon, and possibly even the 10K, it will never be broken
Maybe ... Must remember that the 2 most prolific teams ever were the Roy
Martin teams of Texas and the Thomas anchored Hawthorne teams ... Both of
these kids ran sub 45 anchors in high school ... Hawthorne's "average" is
under 47 ... Hawthorne also had Mike Marsh who was state 200 champion in
Can someone please tell me where to find the results of the
Snowbird Invitational held at the weekend of March 17? Thank you.
Winfried Kramer
Kohlrodweg 12
66539 Neunkirchen/Germany
Association of Track Field Statisticians
Editor of NATIONAL ATHLETICS RECORDS
www.saar.de/~kramer
Ed wrote:
To me, the shot put and the 10,000 are the two records that are most out of
reach on that list, with the mile and the 4 x 400 next. I think there's
every chance that we'll see the 2 mile and 5K fall in the next 5 years,
while the 400m is the type of event where I can see some
GM wrote:
insignificant as this discussion must seem to our non-U.S. listers, it does
raise some interesting discussion!
some other HS marks that may be tough to beat:
--Roy Martin's 20.13 for 200m; the closest someone has gotten in the 16
years
since it was set? 20.46 in 1990 by Henry Neal.
Brad Hudson used to do Sunday runs almost that fast.
malmo
Yeah ... add to it that Pfeffer has the AJR at 2:17:44 (I think), and all
you need is a HS'er who trains seriously for the 5k/10k and tries one of the
faster marathons in the Fall after XC is over, or Grandma's after State meet
is
I remember the belief that Clayton's time may not be a true 2:08 ... it
persisted right up until Salazar ran 2:08:13.
But, didn't Clayton own the CR at Fukuoka with a 2:09:36 or 2:09:46 or in
the mid-2:09's? I believe he set it in 1969 and the course was the same one
that was used in the years
Paradoxically it seems the oldest HS record might be one of the softest.
Last winter Webb ran 2:23.68 indoor HSR for 1000 meters.
The outdoor version is almost 2 seconds slower, 2:25.55. It might have
something to do with when it was run: Aug 10... 1957! (Wonder if Webb's
father had been born
Justin:
I believe Derrick Florence is the name you are looking for (10.13 100m)
Does bring back some memories, indeed. In particular, of the magical nights
at the Texas State Meet in 1985 with Roy Martin, Joe Deloach and Stanley Kerr
cranking out some of the best prep deuces in history... in
Clayton ran 2:09:36.4 at Fukuoka in Dec. '67 (back in those days, timing
folks followed long-standing track protocols which recorded times in
even-tenths of a second.)
His 2:08:33.6 at Antwerp was on May 30, 1969.
The first non-Antwerp time better than the Fukuoka mark was Ron Hill's
2:09:29
Netters
I just realized that I wrote that Sanchez and Ritz had a chance at
Chapa's H.S. 10k record. And of course Sanchez is already out of H.S.. I
was thinking Junior Record. Ritz, I would think, has a shot still. Sorry
for my error.
Track Coach (formerly Track Technique) is the official technical (some
articles) quarterly of USA Track and Field and has been the sport's major
publication since 1960. It was founded by Fred Wilt in an effort to make
technical and practical information available to American coaches. Wilf
Dwight Perry of the Seattle Times wrote, "When Cal State Fullerton kicked Leilani Rios
off the Titan track club for dancing in a strip joint, it supplied a whole new meaning
for the hackneyed term 'thinclad.' "
gh
ps--does anybody but a an over-40 sportswriter actually use the term "thinclad"
In a message dated Wed, 4 Apr 2001 9:57:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Mcewen, Brian
T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yeah ... add to it that Pfeffer has the AJR at 2:17:44 (I think), and all
you need is a HS'er who trains seriously for the 5k/10k and tries one of the
faster marathons in the Fall
Does anyone out there have the 85 sprint lists handy ??
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: more on prep records...
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:29:39 EDT
Justin:
I believe Derrick Florence is the name you are looking
Carl Lewis's website (www.carllewis.com) has some interesting clips of him as an
actor. Check this puppy out, which requires quicktime (and an acceptance of naughty
language)
http://www.carllewis.com/video.acting.1.html
Walt Murphy wrote:
there have only been ten sub-8:50 prep 2-milers since 1980!
I actually thought there were more, so thanks for pointing that out.
My point was simply that any of them might have broken the Steeplechase
record if they ran it a few times. Steeple times and 2 mile times are
I would have to guess Mike Marsh ... Although at 20.80 he was a little off
the pace of the others ... Imagine .. 20.80 and off the pace Now THAT
was a list ...
Conway
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: more
Actually, Michael Graham ran sub 36 behind George Porter.
I tend to agree with Conway. It will take another special collection of
HSers to break that 4x400 record. Yes, a few have come close, but there is a
reason they have not broken it. I that record breaking race Henry and Roy
split sub 45,
This discussion has brought up an interesting question. Why has the 10k been
run so infrequently over the years? It seems as though in the 70's it was
run at a regular rate, but now it is almost none existent.
Faith is a road seldom traveled
Let us run with patience the race that is set before
Steve wrote:
However,to see this World record was awesome. I think the only person who
could
have a chance of challenging the womens 400 record would be Marion Jones
and
she may have to run it in a similar way ...really hit it hard early and use
her huge strength to maintain form in the
In a message dated 4/4/01 8:24:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would have to guess Mike Marsh ... Although at 20.80 he was a little off
the pace of the others ... Imagine .. 20.80 and off the pace Now THAT
was a list ...
Here is the '85 list of "legal" HS 200 runners. Remember
Speaking of great HS 200's, anyone recall the 1988 CalHi version? I know I
do, although I think the LA City Championship that year was more stunning.
But to see Quincy and Brian Bridgewater battle down that home stretch was
astounding. Has there ever been a fast 1-2? I know there have been
From what I have observed over the years the stagnation has been rooted in
the misconception hat women cannot handle the race. Coupled with the
unwillingness of the current crop of sprinters to accept the challenge of the
race.
I see the talent out there, but they are running the 100 and 200.
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Has there ever been a fast[er?] 1-2? I know there have been faster
1's, and maybe 2's in separate races,
Do you mean a closer 1-2 at a fast time? If there have been faster 2's,
then I should think the corresponding 1 was also faster, making the 1-2
faster...
Darrell wrote:
From what I have observed over the years the stagnation has been rooted in
the misconception hat women cannot handle the race. Coupled with the
unwillingness of the current crop of sprinters to accept the challenge of
the
race.
I see the talent out there, but they are running
Jack wrote:
Here is the '85 list of "legal" HS 200 runners. Remember some of these
names?
20.13 Roy Martin (Roosevelt, Dallas, Tx)
20.24 Joe DeLoach (Bay City, Tx)
20.61 Floyd Heard (Marshall, Milwaukee, Wi)
20.4Stanley Kerr (Snook, Tx) 6/19/67
Henry
Darrell wrote:
This discussion has brought up an interesting question. Why has the 10k
been
run so infrequently over the years? It seems as though in the 70's it was
run at a regular rate, but now it is almost none existent.
Good question .. Maybe it is my lack of knowlege on distance
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Subject: RE: t-and-f: Records (HS marathon)
NO!!! This is precisely what is wrong with American marathoning! You can't
just train for the 5K/10K, add a few long runs, and then run a good
marathon. You have to train specifically for the 42.195K. You can have a
period
the runner-up at 10k is 28:55.0 by Eric Hulst in 1976.
Hulst's was second to Chapa, and Bill McChessney was third in about 29:06,
all at the US Juniors in Knoxville. They all were involved in a hot race
the previous year as well in which the winner (who's name escapes me, but
went to
There was an article in the Oregonian newspaper today about the track at Willamette
University in Salem. During some recent work to the track they discovered that each
lap was actually 406m. The steeplechase was the only event that was accurately
measured. No one is sure when the mistake was
It is much more
important to develop speed at a younger age because you can't reclaim it
when you're older.
Could someone delete this sentence from existance? Speed before endurance?
M...dunno bout that one..;) That must be why hoards of Africans are
running so well. You must develop a
Darrell wrote:
Speaking of great HS 200's, anyone recall the 1988 CalHi version? I know I
do, although I think the LA City Championship that year was more stunning.
But to see Quincy and Brian Bridgewater battle down that home stretch was
astounding. Has there ever been a fast 1-2? I know
Never trust what you read in the paper. ;-)
Dan
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There was an article in the Oregonian newspaper today about the track at
Willamette University in Salem. During some recent work to the track
they discovered that each lap was actually 406m. The steeplechase was
Darrell wrote:
This discussion has brought up an interesting question. Why has the 10k
been
run so infrequently over the years? It seems as though in the 70's it
was
run at a regular rate, but now it is almost none existent.
Conway wrote:
Good question .. Maybe it is my lack of
In a message dated Wed, 4 Apr 2001 3:04:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard McCann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hulst's was second to Chapa, and Bill McChessney was third in about 29:06, all at
the US Juniors in Knoxville.
Rich is confusing two races: Chapa set the 10K HSR of 28:32.7 at
Let's delete this dichotomy entirely. Speed and endurance are not
antithetical abilities. Think of it this way: if a runner had infinite speed
and no endurance, the athlete would go nowhere quickly and in the converse,
infinite endurance and no speed, the athlete would go nowhere and but not
get
Don't forget that Devery's prep marathon best was set at Trail's
End in oregon (not the fastest course around). He could have
certainly run faster in a warm weather, no wind, flat and fast
course.
-Tom
OR the Net
Dan Kaplan wrote:
Never trust what you read in the paper. ;-)
Dan
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There was an article in the Oregonian newspaper today about the track at
Willamette University in Salem. During some recent work to the track
they discovered that each lap was
Chapa ran his 28:32.7 at the '76 Drake Relays. He placed third I believe.
Not sure who the Tennessee guy is ... but could it be Pat Davey (Brother
Rice HS, '75)?
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I notice ESPN are showing the Princeton Invitational three weeks after it
happens. I've noticed this sort of thing happens quite often in the U.S.
I can understand stations may not have an immediate gap in the schedule but
three weeks! Is ESPN a history channel or something?
- Original
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was an article in the Oregonian newspaper today about the track at Willamette
University in Salem. During some recent work to the track they discovered that each
lap was actually 406m. The steeplechase was the only event that was accurately
measured. No one
1)
Where did McChesney run the 29:06.8? Junior Nats? Senior Nats?
I think it was in an open meet in Eugene.
Where was Hulst's 28:55.0 run? I heard it was run on a sub-standard track.
Anyone?
2)
For those of you who believe in "Purdy-style" equivalent charts, a 28:32 is
far superior to
In a message dated 4/4/01 10:54:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
but guys like Virgin, Hunt, Hulst, Williams, McChesney seemed to be
running a lot more of the 5,000 , 10,000 type races ... Is that true or just
a figment of my
imagination ???
tis true. Take '72 as a typical example-- 13
In a message dated 4/4/01 9:22:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Conway Hill writes concerning Hawthorne HS of Hawthorne, California:
It was really the equivalent of an all star team ...
The likes of which may never be seen again at a single school
I think it is quite possible that we will see a
Good lord, can we just let it be? Maybe every track in America is off by a
fraction of an inch? That would make all times fraudulent. Maybe they all
would have ran faster on today's synthetic tracks. It doesn't really matter.
They ran the race, they recorded times, it's a done deal.
Alan
In a message dated 4/4/01 12:52:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Where did McChesney run the 29:06.8? Junior Nats? Senior Nats?
I think it was in an open meet in Eugene.
Where was Hulst's 28:55.0 run? I heard it was run on a sub-standard track.
McChesney's 29:06.8 was for 3rd at the
NO!!! This is precisely what is wrong with American marathoning! You can't just
train for the 5K/10K, add a few long runs, and then run a good marathon. You have to
train specifically for the 42.195K. You can have a period where you do 5K/10K
training and racing, but you need a good 3
In a message dated 4/4/01 9:22:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The East German women all looked peculiar in that there was no body hair at
all but they were very muscled. All had very large protruding hipflexor
muscles
like eggs near their hips! Steve Bennett
I attended
(and in a post several months back I posited that I thought/think that
the track itself was short as a 440y oval to begin with, but that's another
matter).
In light of these types of "shortcomings" ... Is every track, where a record
of any importance is broken (AR, WR, NR), ALWAYS known to be
In a message dated 4/4/01 4:27:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
During some recent work to the track they discovered that each lap was
actually 406m.
How many laps does this track have? ;-)
Mike
didn't Todd Williams runs his PR in the marathon (and on his debut) based
off of his 5k/10k training? then after switching to the higher
mileage/less speed marathon program he didn't do as well.
of course this is just one guythough i hear khannouchi basically
sticks with his 10k based
George Watts? Pat Davey? Where's my prize?
malmo
They all were involved in a hot race
the previous year as well in which the winner (who's name escapes me, but
went to Tennessee and ran well in the NCAA 10k one year) scared
Lindgren's
record. Chapa ran in the 76 US Trials, but only
If anyone has used the new FitSense or Nike "Speedometers" (devices that
calculate distance run etc), and is willing to share your experiences and
thoughts, I would appreciate your thoughts. Email me directly if you
prefer.
Glenn McCarthy
Conning wrote:
In a message dated 4/4/01 9:22:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Conway Hill writes concerning Hawthorne HS of Hawthorne, California:
It was really the equivalent of an all star team ...
I think it is quite possible that we will see a team like that again.
Just look at little
I found the following online and was surprised this had not been
discussed. I had half-jokingly proposed this to Craig Masback about a
year ago, but it never went anywhere to my knowledge. The big question
is, why are they not sponsoring this type of thing in the US? Someone
out in TF land
Glenn,
Several of our GBTC guys have the FitSense devices and love them. It is like
having a certified course with you where every you go. With that and a heart
monitor all a runner might need is some CommonSense. Of course I must
confess one of our guys invented it. (The FitSense device not
In a message dated 4/4/01 11:41:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ps--does anybody but a an over-40 sportswriter actually use the term
"thinclad"
anymore?
How about "harrier"? If it wasn't for Marc Bloom, I doubt anyone would even
know what the term means.
Jim Gerweck
Running Times
Where does the term "thinclad" come from? I remember seeing it used in the
local paper way back when in the 80s.
Does anybody remember what basketball players were called?
A.C.
In a message dated 4/4/01 3:54:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ps--does anybody but a an over-40 sportswriter
At 12:53 PM 4/4/2001 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote..
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:59:14 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Records
This discussion has brought up an interesting question. Why has the 10k been
run so infrequently over the years? It seems as though in the 70's it was
Who took the bronze in that race? And what was the time? I know Joe and
Carl, but who took third?
Faith is a road seldom traveled
Let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus,
the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12: 1-2
Naw, 800 runners should run the 400IH
Faith is a road seldom traveled
Let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus,
the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12: 1-2
Nah, 100/200 types should not run the 400. They should run the 400 hurdles!
Cory Beard
Basketball player were called cagers.
Steve
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Does anybody remember what basketball players were called?
Cagers?
Dan
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Faith is a road seldom traveled
Let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus,
the author and finisher of our faith" Hebrews 12: 1-2
I missed the beginning of the show, but Jon Entine, Jim Brown and John Edgar
Wideman(?) are discussing race and athletics on Bob Costas' show on HBO.
Don't know what time it airs in the rest of the country, but it will probably
be repeated during the week.
Walt Murphy
Do Hash House Harriers count? Lots of them!
Don
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In a message dated 4/4/01 11:41:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ps--does anybody but a an over-40 sportswriter actually use the term
"thinclad"
anymore?
How about "harrier"? If it wasn't for Marc Bloom, I
Darrell Asked:
Who took the bronze in that race? And what was the time? I know Joe and
Carl, but who took third?
Robson Da Silva in 20.04.
Kurt Bray
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How about "harrier"? If it wasn't for Marc Bloom, I doubt anyone would even
know what the term means.
Its literal meaning is one who chases hares. But it's not too hard to see
how that was stretched to mean cross country runners.
Kurt Bray
Darrell wrote:
Who took the bronze in that race? And what was the time? I know Joe and
Carl, but who took third?
I believe that was Robson DaSilva in 20.04 ...
Conway
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