Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Stefan Tiran
Hi, fly wrote: Hey I wonder if it is useful to tag bicycle=dismount on ways. At least in Germany there is no official traffic sign despite of the existence of some. Every time I see such a sign, I get very angry about the fucking moron, who was responsible for this bullshit. Of course,

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Volker Schmidt
In my part of Italy - I don't know whether this is correct for the entire country - it is *normal *on cycleways that run parallel to roads that at every point where there is a lateral road, there is a *pedestrian* crossing across the lateral road where the cyclists are requested by law to

Re: [Tagging] Consolidating tags for building attributes

2013-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 08/ott/2013 um 01:58 schrieb SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: Er, what? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element +1, that's exactly the reason. A building is not the same feature as the business occupying it. cheers,

Re: [Tagging] Consolidating tags for building attributes

2013-10-08 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer Er, what? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element +1, that's exactly the reason. A building is not the same feature as the business occupying it. Cool down, Martin. Amenity (or shop or whatever) reusing the building

Re: [Tagging] Consolidating tags for building attributes

2013-10-08 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 08/10/2013 10:21, Pieren a écrit : On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer Er, what? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element +1, that's exactly the reason. A building is not the same feature as the business occupying it. Cool down, Martin. Amenity (or

Re: [Tagging] Consolidating tags for building attributes

2013-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/8 Pieren pier...@gmail.com Cool down, Martin. I am cooled down ;-) Amenity (or shop or whatever) reusing the building polygon is common practice. yes, it is common practice, and it is a shortcut that works at least as long as there are only very few attributes, but there are

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/8 Dominik George n...@naturalnet.de Yes it does. If there is only a footway sign, cyclists are allowed to use the road. If there is a sign telling to dismount the bike, cyclists must use the pedestrian way, pushing their bike. Given that you seem to refer to the situation in

Re: [Tagging] Consolidating tags for building attributes

2013-10-08 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer If you put a tag wikipedia to a building like this, will it refer to the building or to the amenity? Yep but ... buildings with dedicated wikipedia articles or names are the exception. There is also a disadvantage to draw the same polygon

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 3:09 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Hey I wonder if it is useful to tag bicycle=dismount on ways. At least in Germany there is no official traffic sign despite of the existence of some. You are allowed to push your bike on every footway/pedestrian plus

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Petr Holub
I wonder if it is useful to tag bicycle=dismount on ways. At least in Germany there is no official traffic sign despite of the existence of some. You are allowed to push your bike on every footway/pedestrian plus ways with vehicle=no. E.g. it is useless. Either you are allowed to ride

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread John F. Eldredge
Stefan Tiran stefan.ti...@student.tugraz.at wrote: Hi, fly wrote: Hey I wonder if it is useful to tag bicycle=dismount on ways. At least in Germany there is no official traffic sign despite of the existence of some. Every time I see such a sign, I get very angry about the

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread fly
On 07.10.2013 22:37, Stefan Tiran wrote: Hi, fly wrote: Hey I wonder if it is useful to tag bicycle=dismount on ways. At least in Germany there is no official traffic sign despite of the existence of some. Every time I see such a sign, I get very angry about the fucking moron, who

[Tagging] Call for more feedbacks about emergency=aed or emergency=defibrillator

2013-10-08 Thread Pieren
Please, add your opinion about using emergency=aed or emergency=defibrillator or the next two alternatives on the wiki. At the moment, we have a ~ 3:1 ratio for defibrillator against aed. It's here:

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/8/13 10:32 AM, fly wrote: In all situation we do not need bicycle=dismount. Can anyone state that in her/his country this traffic_sign is official and not made up by some people ? well, i can't say official for sure, but the dismount signs posted on the various Hudson River crossings

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl wrote: At least in the Netherlands you have to distinguish between bicycle=no and bicycle=dismount. Some pedestrian streets are explicitly signed with no bicycle pushing. In other words you may not bring your bicycle here. Thus

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Tod Fitch
Would bicycle:dismount be better than bicycle_dismount? Seems like that would be more in keeping with current key naming conventions. Tod -- Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity. Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I think dismount should be a key, not a value -

Re: [Tagging] Wind turbines: big and small

2013-10-08 Thread John Sturdy
We could also tag whether they are horizontal axis (windmill-style) or vertical-axis (Savonius rotor) turbines. This could be helpful for people looking for landmarks, as the two types look very different. __John ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Ole Nielsen
On 08/10/2013 02:33, Matthijs Melissen wrote: At least in the Netherlands you have to distinguish between bicycle=no and bicycle=dismount. Some pedestrian streets are explicitly signed with no bicycle pushing. I never heard of that, what sign do you mean? In which contexts is out used? Do you

Re: [Tagging] Wind turbines: big and small

2013-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/8 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com I know buildings on steep areas which have two different ground levels so simply building height is really difficult. this is actually common, you will very often have different levels around a building, also in more or less even terrain. The

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/8 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com Can anyone state that in her/his country this traffic_sign is official and not made up by some people ? you are only refering to public roads, but private owners could impose whatever rules they like, e.g. on private squares, private shopping malls

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/8 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl Here is one found in a local shopping centre in Rijswijk (crappy phone photo made in poor lighting). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/File:Fiets-verboden.jpghttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fiets-verboden.jpg It literally translates to

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 8 October 2013 19:46, Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl wrote: Here is one found in a local shopping centre in Rijswijk (crappy phone photo made in poor lighting). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/File:Fiets-verboden.jpghttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fiets-verboden.jpg It

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Volker Schmidt
Just for your reference - while for many cases, I agree that bicycle=no is appropriate, there are quite interesting cycleways in the Czech Republic, where using bicycle=dismount for nodes on a path would make things easier for people editing OSM. Consider this:

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 8 October 2013 20:11, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/10/8 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl Here is one found in a local shopping centre in Rijswijk (crappy phone photo made in poor lighting).

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/8 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl No, the legal basis is a local regulation called Algemene Plaatselijke Verordening (General local ordinance): http://decentrale.regelgeving.overheid.nl/cvdr/xhtmloutput/Historie/Rijswijk/107457/107457_1.html the liberal times of the

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Stefan Tiran
Hi, John F. Eldredge wrote: If you really meant it is in no way acceptable to require people to dismount their bikes, Indeed this is what I meant. Thanks for pointing out this ambiguity! what about the real-life situation I described earlier, a narrow footway along one side of a bridge,

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread John F. Eldredge
Stefan Tiran stefan.ti...@student.tugraz.at wrote: Hi, John F. Eldredge wrote: If you really meant it is in no way acceptable to require people to dismount their bikes, Indeed this is what I meant. Thanks for pointing out this ambiguity! what about the real-life situation I

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
Can anyone state that in her/his country this traffic_sign is official and not made up by some people ? Not my country, but in the UK it's listed here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/schedule/5/made Some countries have a blanket allowance for using a text only sign when no

Re: [Tagging] Call for more feedbacks about emergency=aed or emergency=defibrillator

2013-10-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On the units I've seen in the wild the term aed or AED appears in nearly every case, but the word defibrillator is frequently absent. That said, while the debate ranges on the tag name, there are other issues of tagging that need some attention. For example access:

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Frankl2009
The Dutch example is based on a local (municipal) ordinance which regulates whether you are allowed to walk your bicycle in this pedestrian zone. So, it is a real regulation (but it is not an example of a bicycle dismount regulation). Bicycles are not allowed at all, so a bicycle=no tag could

Re: [Tagging] Call for more feedbacks about emergency=aed or emergency=defibrillator

2013-10-08 Thread Andrew Errington
On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 07:06:54 Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On the units I've seen in the wild the term aed or AED appears in nearly every case, but the word defibrillator is frequently absent. Yup, in Japan they are *everywhere*, with orange enclosures and big letters reading AED. Andrew

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-10-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:46 PM, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: You can send me any formal and constructive suggestion about that. Vote will begin shortly. Stay tuned. I've found the power proposal a bit much to follow... ... but have found it satisfying to map