Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-27 1:48 GMT+02:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com: Hello everyone, From time to time there's a discussion in the Brazilian community on how to tag an urban perimeter. In Brazil, this is a legally defined area with some defined characteristics, such as: - different kind

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: For settlements (in urbanism / settlement geographic terms) my suggestion is to use place=* on an area. There is one problem when using place: people start to duplicate data. What is already present/available in

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know in Brazil, but in Italy or Germany the maxspeed for built-up areas does not correspond perfectly with the settlement extension but is indeed yet another thing to consider. It is basically defined by

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Fernando Trebien
I like Nelson's idea of using a new value for boundary to represent this, mainly because the perimeter is not ground truth but an invisible legal definition that roughly matches the urbanized area. I was wondering if this concept exists elsewhere so that we can even propose such value in a way

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-27 15:01 GMT+02:00 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: For settlements (in urbanism / settlement geographic terms) my suggestion is to use place=* on an area. There is one problem when using

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-27 15:37 GMT+02:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com: I like Nelson's idea of using a new value for boundary to represent this, mainly because the perimeter is not ground truth but an invisible legal definition that roughly matches the urbanized area. IMHO the extension of

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Pieren
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote: I like Nelson's idea of using a new value for boundary to represent this, mainly because the perimeter is not ground truth but an invisible legal definition that roughly matches the urbanized area. I was

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: That's the point. Is it legal or just the sum of all urbanized landuse 's (residential, industrial, retail). Does it include backyards, garden, orchard, etc ? The limit is often clear on the road (first/last building + road

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-27 17:44 GMT+02:00 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com: The urban limit/boundary is legal (defined by law) here in Brazil. It may englobe areas that still lack a specific use or are not yet populated. It's not only a simple sum of the landuses. It determines, for example, the area

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-27 17:53 GMT+02:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com: The urban perimeter is a major factor used by transit authorities to establish maximum speeds, but not the only criteria for that. So yes, you do find a few high speed highways on the urban side and a few low speed areas

[Tagging] editing polygons in JOSM

2014-05-27 Thread Tom Gertin
I don't know if the tagging listserv is the appropriate forum for this questions, but I can't find a better one. I want to try to complete several polygon editing operations using JOSM. Anybody know if this is possible or how to accomplish these tasks in JOSM or any other free editor? 1. Clip a

Re: [Tagging] editing polygons in JOSM

2014-05-27 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Tom Cutting by a line is easy: - add a way with nodes for start and end of the line where it cut's the polygon first and last. - add nodes where that new way intersects the old polygon - split the new way at these nodes - split the old polygon at these nodes - delete the parts of the old

Re: [Tagging] editing polygons in JOSM

2014-05-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Tuesday 27 May 2014, Peter Wendorff wrote: Cutting by a line is easy: - add a way with nodes for start and end of the line where it cut's the polygon first and last. - add nodes where that new way intersects the old polygon - split the new way at these nodes - split the old polygon at

Re: [Tagging] editing polygons in JOSM

2014-05-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 27.05.2014 21:12, schrieb Peter Wendorff: Am 27.05.2014 20:23, schrieb Tom Gertin: 1. Clip a polygon using another polygon 2. Cut a polygon using a line Cutting by a line is easy: [...] Clipping by a new polygon is basically the same - but draw that new polygon first instead of the line,

Re: [Tagging] editing polygons in JOSM

2014-05-27 Thread Marc Gemis
Since you were also looking for more appropriate places to ask those questions: The help-website: http://help.openstreetmap.org or the editors forum : http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=54 regards On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Georg Feddern o...@bavarianmallet.dewrote: Am