Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

On 1 July 2018 at 13:59, wrote: > Maybe following the same scheme as for highways: > > > > waterway=navigable_channel (for way along the middle of the channel) > > area:waterway=navigable_channel (for area bound by buoys, with an > intersecting node at both ends between the area and the middle li

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

Paul, I have no problem with putting more tags on those ways crossing the lake, route=canoe if you like it. My peg is round here and we can indeed expand specifically the whitewater page to lakes, etc. Grade 0 is not in the ' International scale of river difficulty' quoted in OSM wiki. Our expa

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

Maybe following the same scheme as for highways: waterway=navigable_channel (for way along the middle of the channel) area:waterway=navigable_channel (for area bound by buoys, with an intersecting node at both ends between the area and the middle line way) From: osm.tagg...@thorsten.engle

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

I think it’s slightly different. For canoe routes, there is generally no infrastructure along the route. While navigable channels are marked with buoys, which makes them closer to a “highway” on land than a route. So I think it’s something that belongs in the waterway namespace. If na

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

It might be best to adapt the same language used in the access tag: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access Water-based transportation * access=* (category: any water-based transportation mode) * boat=* (covers small

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

& as I've just mentioned on the Canoe Route thread, we're discussing two things that are pretty well the same! https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-June/037677.html https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-July/037729.html __

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

On 30 June 2018 at 23:18, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Thinking about it, the Canale Grande should maybe not get waterway=canal > but waterway=river? > > Maybe natural=water? I was recently working on a canal estate in my area that had been previously tagged as natural=water. I retagged it as

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

On 1 July 2018 at 03:22, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Short of following the route in some as-yet-undescribed manner, I'm aware > of no way to indicate where one takes the boat out of the water (the > take-out point) to begin the portage to the next lake. If these various > take-out/put-in nodes were

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

On 1 July 2018 at 01:53, wrote: > there don’t seem to be any matching tags yet, maybe something like > waterway=dredged_channel ? > On 1 July 2018 at 04:13, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > I think you're referring to the navigation channel, ie, the area between > the red and green markers? If so,

Re: [Tagging] Boot cleaning stations

On 30 June 2018 at 19:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > On 30. Jun 2018, at 11:15, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > It's about removing contaminants, which are things that should not be > present (be they seeds, pathogenic viruses or whatever). > > > then I would suggest to add a subtag about the

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

I'd like to suggest not creating a very specific tag like route=canoe, instead use something more general that would apply to more water crafts like kayaks, small boats, canoes, and rafts. route=marine_trail would be more fitting. Related tag could include motorized=(yes/no). Kayaking around my ar

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 10:15 PM, Yves wrote: > > There is a way to avoid tagging the way with the route tag: > > whitewater:section_grade=0 > > See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Whitewater_sports#Grades > > I consent your canoe practice on a lake is perhaps far from 'whitewater' > practice

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

There is a way to avoid tagging the way with the route tag: whitewater:section_grade=0 See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Whitewater_sports#Grades I consent your canoe practice on a lake is perhaps far from 'whitewater' practice, but grade 0 describes a lake perfectly. And if the route fo

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 7:39 PM, Alan Grant wrote: > > I think there is an analogy with an aspect of hiking trails that I have > never been sure how to map. Sometimes a waymarked hiking route crosses a > beach, or follows an ephemeral river bed. There may be no physical footway, > path, or track

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

I think there is an analogy with an aspect of hiking trails that I have never been sure how to map. Sometimes a waymarked hiking route crosses a beach, or follows an ephemeral river bed. There may be no physical footway, path, or track across these areas that can be mapped. Following the ideas abov

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

Thanks, I'll check it out. It helps to know that tagging route=ferry on a way is the accepted procedure. I see no reason not to treat my untagged ways in the same manner as per your suggestion. The bit about rendering isn't critical to my solution as long as the connectedness of the route is assur

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 7:04 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > I agree that waterway=river and route=ferry are incorrect and that > route=ferry is slightly less so . > If you register your canoe as a merchant vessel and pay yourself for the trip, it's a ferry! > > But do you mean the untagged ways

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > > On Sat, 30 Jun 2018, 14:03 Paul Allen, wrote > >> >> The way to handle navigable channels across lagoons/lakes is covered at >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:route >> (you might have to invent route=boat or route=ship). >> >

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

@Paul, I agree that waterway=river and route=ferry are incorrect and that route=ferry is slightly less so . But do you mean the untagged ways should be tagged with route=canoe as someone else suggested, or that the entire relation should be tagged that way? On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 9:48 AM Paul Al

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > A closer look at some similar relations (thanks, Kevin) indicates others > have had the same issue and resolved it in various ways. One person left > the water-crossing ways untagged, as I did, another used waterway=river to > mark them, an

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

A closer look at some similar relations (thanks, Kevin) indicates others have had the same issue and resolved it in various ways. One person left the water-crossing ways untagged, as I did, another used waterway=river to mark them, another used route=ferry (both incorrect for my situation). Graeme

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

Without being familiar with the topic at all, and seeing that there don’t seem to be any matching tags yet, maybe something like waterway=dredged_channel ? From: Volker Schmidt Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2018 01:42 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] nautical cha

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

On Sat, 30 Jun 2018, 14:03 Paul Allen, wrote > > The way to handle navigable channels across lagoons/lakes is covered at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:route > (you might have to invent route=boat or route=ship). > I am aware the route relations for, e.g., ferry boats. What I want to

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

sent from a phone > On 30. Jun 2018, at 15:36, Yves wrote: > > Bah, if you want to tag the Canale Grande something else than waterway=canal, > you have an occupation for years ;) maybe river is not the right term, but it looks pretty obviously not artificial. Cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

Bah, if you want to tag the Canale Grande something else than waterway=canal, you have an occupation for years ;) Yves Le 30 juin 2018 15:18:53 GMT+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > >sent from a phone > >> On 30. Jun 2018, at 14:41, Volker Schmidt wrote: >> >> The reason I am asking h

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

sent from a phone > On 30. Jun 2018, at 14:41, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > The reason I am asking here, is that I detected by chance that navigation > channels in the Venice Lagoon [1] have been tagged as waterway=canal, which > to me seems not correct, or at least not covered by the wiki defi

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > It looks as if OpenSeaMap does map the seamarks that delimit the > navigation channel, but not the channel itself. > The reason I am asking here, is that I detected by chance that navigation > channels in the Venice Lagoon [1] have been tag

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

It looks as if OpenSeaMap does map the seamarks that delimit the navigation channel, but not the channel itself. The reason I am asking here, is that I detected by chance that navigation channels in the Venice Lagoon [1] have been tagged as waterway=canal, which to me seems not correct, or at least

Re: [Tagging] Boot cleaning stations

On 30/06/18 19:15, Paul Allen wrote: On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 1:57 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: On 30/06/18 10:20, Paul Allen wrote: Footwear_disinfection seems better than boot_disinfection, because you'll always get some idiot read "

Re: [Tagging] Boot cleaning stations

sent from a phone > On 30. Jun 2018, at 11:15, Paul Allen wrote: > > In that case, I'd go with Graeme Fitzpatrick's suggestion later in the thread > of decontamination. It's about removing > contaminants, which are things that should not be present (be they seeds, > pathogenic viruses or wh

Re: [Tagging] Boot cleaning stations

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > They are a form of decontamination. > On the whole, I prefer decontamination to disinfection. What's being removed may not be infectious, such as seeds. Damn, I hate it when somebody else's suggestion is better than mine.

Re: [Tagging] Boot cleaning stations

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 1:57 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 30/06/18 10:20, Paul Allen wrote: > > > Footwear_disinfection seems better than boot_disinfection, because you'll > always get some idiot > read "boot disinfection" and decide it doesn't apply to him because he's > wearing

Re: [Tagging] Boot cleaning stations

I take it you have not used them Martin? They are a form of decontamination. However 'footwear decontamination' also takes place in other places .. for example some clean rooms, chemical laboratories. For that reason I would add a sub tag say footwear=hiking to state that it is intended for

Re: [Tagging] Boot cleaning stations

sent from a phone On 30. Jun 2018, at 03:04, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >> Now more inclined to man_made=footwear_disinfection ... really separates it >> from a simple polish. >> > > How about > > man_made=footwear_decontamination? > > Makes it pretty obvious that you're just talking abou