Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

On 03/09/18 10:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 3. Sep 2018, at 01:36, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: "In the Vienna Convention on Road Signs and_Signals

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 03/09/18 10:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 3. Sep 2018, at 02:37, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: You can simply start to use the tag AND document its use. yes, but documenting the use means starting a proposal, No it does not, "any tags you like' -

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

One of the biggest problems with "creating a proposal" is that the Wiki markup language is so painfully tedious I've taken pains to avoid it. People always say, "write it up in the Wiki" as though it's similar to writing a letter in a word processor. It is not. It's a process I've criticized in

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

> On Sep 2, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> On 3. Sep 2018, at 02:31, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The land is not used by/for 'meadow'. > > > it is used as a meadow > There are natural meadows within the forested areas in

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

sent from a phone > On 3. Sep 2018, at 02:37, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > You can simply start to use the tag AND document its use. yes, but documenting the use means starting a proposal, writing down the meaning of the tag in a proposal form or maybe on your user page and

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

sent from a phone > On 3. Sep 2018, at 02:31, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The land is not used by/for 'meadow'. it is used as a meadow cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 03/09/18 10:05, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 3. Sep 2018, at 01:42, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: Just one question though: for the wiki page of this do I put "draft" or "proposed" or "de facto" or "in use" for the status? I

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

On 03/09/18 10:05, Paul Allen wrote: On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:59 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: meadow in this context means land where grass and other plants grow high (rather than let animals graze) so they can be cut to produce hay or silage. I

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

sent from a phone > On 3. Sep 2018, at 01:36, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > "In the Vienna Convention on Road Signs and_Signals the symbol that > depicts a (passenger) car -either from the front or the side- is also used to > describe the wider category of vehicles, as

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

sent from a phone > On 3. Sep 2018, at 01:36, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > When you look at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:motorcar > it has some details that make the change possibly valid ... hm. After 10+ years of all mappers tagging according to the same definition

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:59 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: meadow in this context means land where grass and other plants grow high > (rather than let animals graze) so they can be cut to produce hay or > silage. I would not question the term landuse in this case. > +1

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

sent from a phone On 3. Sep 2018, at 01:42, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Just one question though: for the wiki page of this do I put "draft" or >> "proposed" or "de facto" or "in use" for the status? > > I would not put a status on it. > > It is not a draft, proposed nor

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

sent from a phone > On 3. Sep 2018, at 01:23, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Land use? What is the land used for? > It should not be defined as the land cover! meadow in this context means land where grass and other plants grow high (rather than let animals graze) so they can be

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 03/09/18 02:22, Dolly Andriatsiferana wrote: But if your going to use it ..please document it on the OSM wiki so people can find what it means. Just one question though: for the wiki page of this do I put "draft" or "proposed" or "de facto" or "in use" for the status? I would not

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

On 03/09/18 07:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: OMG the Germans have overtaken the wiki. I just noticed this change to the motorcar access definition: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key%3Aaccess=revision=1601167=1598869

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

On 03/09/18 07:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Another change I noticed which wasn’t discussed AFAIR: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow=prev=1515853 Comments? Land use? What is the land used for? It should not be defined as the land cover! It is a poor

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

sent from a phone > On 2. Sep 2018, at 22:06, Thilo Haug OSM wrote: > > Hi, > > I don't have a general preference about the format, Would you mind moving all your proposals into the proposal section of the wiki? You should also refrain from linking to them from the tag definition pages as

[Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

Another change I noticed which wasn’t discussed AFAIR: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow=prev=1515853 Comments? Cheers, Martin sent from a phone___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

OMG the Germans have overtaken the wiki. I just noticed this change to the motorcar access definition: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key%3Aaccess=revision=1601167=1598869 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:motorcar=next=1532406 I used motorcar to mean

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 at 00:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 2. Sep 2018, at 12:23, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > > > the real objects I want to describe are really double-use and not the > superposition of two separate objects with identical geometry. > > +1, it is one route for both, so it

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

Hi, I don't have a general preference about the format, but I think it should be possible to express several things to rent (buy/repair etc.) and it should be easily be possible to filter for all these items (regardless whether it's a shop/hotel/farm). So the format should be flexible enough to

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 at 23:38, Hufkratzer wrote: > I am sorry that my English is so bad. Your English is fine! > I wrote that I think the best way would be > a) amenity=horse_rental or horse_rental=yes (if secondary activity) > and wrote I don't like > c) horse:rental=yes > I'm sorry, my

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

How many routes are ciclopedonale in Italy? I have seen one in 8 days of cycling though Northern Italia, and it was a way or connection rather than a marked/named route. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 2 sep. 2018 om 16:13 heeft Jo het volgende geschreven: > > My reaction was to how I read your

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

> > But if your going to use it ..please document it on the OSM wiki so people > can find what it means. Just one question though: for the wiki page of this do I put "draft" or "proposed" or "de facto" or "in use" for the status? 2018-09-02 18:20 GMT+03:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 03/09/18 01:08, Dolly Andriatsiferana wrote: To make it simple, for our ongoing mapping project we're going to use the *electricity=yes/no/grid/solar/generator/whatever_the_source_is* system I don't like it. But I'm not using it anyway. But if your going to use it ..please document it on

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

Thank you all for your helpful inputs. - those who use individual power source for the building > (generator/windmill/solar panel...) > There are a few methods in the data base. I looked in taginfo for the > value solar; > the dominate one with over 160,000 uses is generator:source=solar > Of

Re: [Tagging] why do we discourage leisure=skatepark/skate_park?

I am for choosing one now and leaving the other in discouraged state. My preference is for skatepark. Lorenzo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Questions about subway tags

sent from a phone > On 2. Sep 2018, at 14:44, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > If this is the consensus then we should change the wiki as it > currently says "A subway entrance is a place where people enter or > exit a train station", it should be enter or exit a subway (mass rapid > transit train)

Re: [Tagging] Questions about subway tags

sent from a phone On 2. Sep 2018, at 14:44, Andrew Harvey wrote: >> station=subway is the “legacy” tag (undocumented for a long time), >> subway=yes is ptv2 > > station=subway is well documented > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:station%3Dsubway with 11k uses > and approved status.

Re: [Tagging] Questions about subway tags

sent from a phone > On 2. Sep 2018, at 14:44, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > I think the biggest confusion for me is that in Sydney we have heavy > rail which is underground (it's not a metro, aka subway), but soon a > mass rapid transit train (metro aka. subway) which is above ground. > > So

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

sent from a phone > On 2. Sep 2018, at 12:23, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > In addition would be only a work-around, because the real objects I want to > describe are really double-use and not the superposition of two separate > objects with identical geometry. +1, it is one route for both,

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

My reaction was to how I read your message, it seemed like you would create 2 route_master relations and use those as members in a route relation. For foot and bicycle relations it is possible to use sub relations for parts in common between multiple routes, or if one route is designated

Re: [Tagging] horse rental

It looks like you didn't understand me. I am sorry that my English is so bad. I am trying to express my question in a different way: We have some differnet ways to tag a bicycle rental: a) amenity=bicycle_rental (30k uses), bicycle_rental=yes (< 20 uses) b) rental=bicycle (< 300 uses)

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Jo wrote: > In public transport: > Walking and cycling routes are not public transport. Nevertheless (according to the wiki) route masters can be used with them. 1 (one) route_master relation for the line > > 1 or more (typically 2) route relations for the

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

In public transport: 1 (one) route_master relation for the line 1 or more (typically 2) route relations for the variations in itinerary. Jo Op zo 2 sep. 2018 om 13:59 schreef Paul Allen : > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Jo wrote: > >> You are inverting how route_master relations are used

Re: [Tagging] Questions about subway tags

Thanks for your thoughts Martin, very much appreciated. I think the biggest confusion for me is that in Sydney we have heavy rail which is underground (it's not a metro, aka subway), but soon a mass rapid transit train (metro aka. subway) which is above ground. So we'll be tagging

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Jo wrote: > You are inverting how route_master relations are used in public transport. > There the route master represents a line, and our route relations represent > the itineraries (all the variations). > Variant 1: you can walk. Variant 2: you can cycle. I

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

You are inverting how route_master relations are used in public transport. There the route master represents a line, and our route relations represent the itineraries (all the variations). Polyglot Op zo 2 sep. 2018 om 13:35 schreef Paul Allen : > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Volker Schmidt

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > There are routes out there that can be used by bicycle and on foot. Up tp > now I have classified them as one or the or the other, tagging according to > the prevalent use. This is unsatisfactory and, strictly speaking, not > corresponding

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

Maybe it would be worth mentioning on the semicolon page that a lot of tools (including mapnik) support regex matching for tag values instead of simple equality. Just a head up for data consumers. Yves Le 2 septembre 2018 12:36:06 GMT+02:00, Volker Schmidt a écrit : >Maybe the correct (and

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

Maybe the correct (and tedious) way is to make a formal proposal to allow multiple values in the route tag, have it approved, and then push the data consumers (renderers and routing algorithms) to use the multiple values. On 2 September 2018 at 12:28, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Here

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

Here is a route that is; a horse riders route a mtb route and a walking route ... It is displayed correctly here https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#route?id=176684 as a hiking route https://riding.waymarkedtrails.org/#route?id=176684 as a horse riders route. But misses out on the mtb!

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

Good question. I forget to mention that the handling of long relations is cumbersome, and even the duplication is a lot of work. In addition would be only a work-around, because the real objects I want to describe are really double-use and not the superposition of two separate objects with

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

I would also think that the bicycle part would be somewhat different (more split due to oneway traffic for bicycles on cycleways, whereas foot routes can take the shortest path in both directions), so I think the best approach is 2 route relations with quite some overlap. It is a bit annoying that

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

Why don't you Tage separate relations? Yves Le 2 septembre 2018 11:02:39 GMT+02:00, Volker Schmidt a écrit : >There are routes out there that can be used by bicycle and on foot. Up >tp >now I have classified them as one or the or the other, tagging >according to >the prevalent use. This is

[Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

There are routes out there that can be used by bicycle and on foot. Up tp now I have classified them as one or the or the other, tagging according to the prevalent use. This is unsatisfactory and, strictly speaking, not corresponding to the principle of on-the-ground-truth. I would like to