On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:40 PM Dave Swarthout
wrote:
> Thanks again, Adam.
>
> That was also helpful. It brings up a question about sorting. After
> sorting, are the elements arranged according to their coordinates, that is
> to say, spatially? Or nearest node at each end of a member way is
My official email address ends in .gov :-). And diplomats are by definition
government employees.
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> On Oct 26, 2018, at 7:26 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In OSM I would expect the term government not to be a foreign government but
> a resident one.
> So
Thanks again, Adam.
That was also helpful. It brings up a question about sorting. After
sorting, are the elements arranged according to their coordinates, that is
to say, spatially? Or nearest node at each end of a member way is checked
to see which other node ways are closest? Or what?
On Wed,
In OSM I would expect the term government not to be a foreign government
but a resident one.
So I would use a different term, office=diplomatic for example.
On 26/10/18 12:26, Allan Mustard wrote:
Embassies and consulates are definitely government facilities/offices.
Under the legal doctrine
On 26/10/18 09:44, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
& to throw another spanner in the works :-), what do you call
satellite dishes, either bubby ones for home use
https://goo.gl/images/qaDzSX or big commercial versions
https://goo.gl/images/44ZhNd?
They're certainly not towers, but they definitely
On reflection landuse=* is probably not a good approach since many
embassies and consulates are not stand-alone buildings on a parcel of
land, but rather are offices in an office building (flats in a block of
flats as Andrew wrote). See for example the Embassy of Qatar in
Ashgabat, which occupies
Embassies and consulates are definitely government facilities/offices.
Under the legal doctrine of extraterritoriality, the embassy or
consulate is considered to be located in the sending country for
purposes of legal jurisdiction. Extraterritoriality is virtually
unlimited in the case of an
Graeme Fitzpatrick writes:
> A mast is a tall, slim structure supported by guys, usually with external
> access only
This reliance on guys does not align with engineering reality. guys are
needed depending on forces/loading, and there can be unguyed masts, that
are exactly like guyed masts
Oh! I don’t like `crossing=zebra` either. Not sure whether you caught the end
of that issue #4788, but anyway I've decided I'm tired of hearing people
complain about `crossing=zebra` so going forward iD will support these 2
presets:
- `crossing=marked` which is labeled “Marked Crosswalk"
On 25/10/2018 23:50, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
Wikidata’s license is CC0, so that is compatible, and almost all
numerical values from Wikipedia, like height of buildings and towers,
are also in Wikidata.
Something doesn't become "licence washed" by being copied from a
differently licensed
man_made=tower has an option for tower:structure=dish which is used with
tower:type=communication for tall communication dishes aka satellite
dishes, and we even render is at a dish with signals, in the
openstreetmap-carto style.
But I agree that this is an odd way to do it, and it also doesn’t
Le 26. 10. 18 à 00:01, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :
> if you see crossing=zebra as an alternative tagging for what the wiki
> suggests the misleading “uncontrolled”
yes, it's one meaning currently described as "valid in the UK"
(crossing=zebra = crossing=uncontrolled + crossing_ref=zebra)
But
Wikidata’s license is CC0, so that is compatible, and almost all numerical
values from Wikipedia, like height of buildings and towers, are also in
Wikidata.
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:05 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick
wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 19:27, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>
>> Looking
& to throw another spanner in the works :-), what do you call satellite
dishes, either bubby ones for home use https://goo.gl/images/qaDzSX or big
commercial versions https://goo.gl/images/44ZhNd?
They're certainly not towers, but they definitely are for communication
purposes.
Thanks
Graeme
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 20:39, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> Where, in your (or anybody else's) scheme of things does the BT Tower fit?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Tower
>
> Its primary purpose was for microwave communications and replaced an
> earlier steel lattice
> mast (wikipedia calls it a
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 19:27, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> Looking closely, many/most towers might be seen as "multi purpose" (radio
> AND tv?),
>
Which would both count as communication
Thanks
Graeme
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 19:13, SelfishSeahorse
wrote:
>
> Just note that Wikipedia (and other websites) isn't a legal source for
> OSM because of its incompatible license:
>
Sorry, wasn't aware of that as I've seen lot's of references to thins being
listed on Wiki?
Thanks
Graeme
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> On 25. Oct 2018, at 23:39, marc marc wrote:
>
> I have a big issue with crossing=zebra.
> it prevent to fill in the other value for crossing like
> crossing=traffic_signals crossing=uncontrolled
if you see crossing=zebra as an alternative tagging for what the wiki
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 18:57, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
>
> +1. If there is an accessible observation deck, I would see them as
> look-out towers, not sure if "observation tower" is the right term for
> these, might be confused with things like wildlife observation towers, but
> I may be
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> On 25. Oct 2018, at 23:02, ChameleonScales
> wrote:
>
> I am not involved enough in OSM at the moment to engage in other subjects
> than the one I started.
> Please forward the discussion on the wiki page:
>
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 4:46 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25/10/18 23:56, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> BTW, these days few radio telescopes are dishes. Most of them are phased
> arrays and not on towers
> or masts.
>
>
> That depends on the frequency of operation.
>
> New dish
Hello,
I have a big issue with crossing=zebra.
it prevent to fill in the other value for crossing like
crossing=traffic_signals crossing=uncontrolled
the wiki [1] said that crossing=zebra is a shortchut for
crossing=uncontrolled + crossing_ref=zebra in the UK
but a lot of zebra also in UK and
I'm just letting you guys know that I will unsubscribe from the mailing list
because I get notified too frequently on my phone of new emails and I am not
involved enough in OSM at the moment to engage in other subjects than the one I
started.
Please forward the discussion on the wiki
On 25/10/18 23:56, Paul Allen wrote:
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 1:20 PM Andrew Harvey
mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So the tower issue aside, if the dish is used for two way
communication then:
man_made=tower + tower:type=communication +telescope:type=radio +
Good point. Many embassies and consulates are an office in an office building,
not an area. I represent them with a node in my mapping of Ashgabat (see the
Embassy of Qatar in Ashgabat). Landuse is thus not a good solution, I fear.
There is also the issue of multiple sites for an embassy (in
I'm not suggesting tagging "gay friendly" which is too
subjective, and, due to PR, might be less informative now.
On 24/10/2018 23:10, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
When going on holidays & checking accommodation / travel guides for
options, you often see a number of hotels / motels which are
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 1:20 PM Andrew Harvey
wrote:
> So the tower issue aside, if the dish is used for two way communication
> then:
>
> man_made=tower + tower:type=communication +telescope:type=radio +
> tower:construction=dish
>
I would say that is the case even for one-way communication
On 25/10/18 22:30, Andrew Harvey wrote:
What's the recommended tagging for radio telescopes like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_Deep_Space_Communication_Complex
which are parabolic dishes which are used for two way communication?
What about the radio telescope
So the tower issue aside, if the dish is used for two way communication then:
man_made=tower + tower:type=communication +telescope:type=radio +
tower:construction=dish
If the dish is used for receiving only (whether looking at the stars or
reviving signals from humans in space) then:
Embassies that extend over multiple sites or are neighbours (the embassies of
Ecuador and Colombia in London are flats in a block of flats) don’t correspond
to the normal meaning of the landuse tag.
--
Andrew
From: Allan Mustard
Sent: 25 October 2018 02:25:07
W dniu 25.10.2018 o 13:30, Andrew Harvey pisze:
> What's the recommended tagging for radio telescopes like
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_Deep_Space_Communication_Complex
> which are parabolic dishes which are used for two way communication?
I am not interested in the subject, but from
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 12:19 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25/10/18 21:42, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 7:38 AM Joseph Eisenberg <
> joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am working on rendering man_made=telescopes, starting with
>> telescope:type=radio. Next
What's the recommended tagging for radio telescopes like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_Deep_Space_Communication_Complex
which are parabolic dishes which are used for two way communication?
What about the radio telescope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkes_Observatory which is used for
On 25/10/18 21:37, Andrew Harvey wrote:
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 21:08, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
Please don’t tag radio telescopes with tower:communication. Telescopes observe,
they do not communicate or send information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_telescopes lists many
radio
On 25/10/18 21:42, Paul Allen wrote:
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 7:38 AM Joseph Eisenberg
mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am working on rendering man_made=telescopes, starting with
telescope:type=radio. Next will be telescope:type=optical.
I do hope that telescope:type=audio
Am Do., 25. Okt. 2018 um 12:39 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen :
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 9:57 AM Martin Koppenhoefer <
> dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> +1. If there is an accessible observation deck, I would see them as
>> look-out towers, not sure if "observation tower" is the right term for
>>
W dniu 25.10.2018 o 12:37, Andrew Harvey pisze:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 21:08, Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
>> Please don’t tag radio telescopes with tower:communication. Telescopes
>> observe, they do not communicate or send information.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_telescopes
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 7:38 AM Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> I am working on rendering man_made=telescopes, starting with
> telescope:type=radio. Next will be telescope:type=optical.
>
I do hope that telescope:type=audio (or accoustic, your choice) is on your
to-do list. It would be
nice to map
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 9:57 AM Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
>
> +1. If there is an accessible observation deck, I would see them as
> look-out towers, not sure if "observation tower" is the right term for
> these, might be confused with things like wildlife observation towers, but
> I may be
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 21:08, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
>
> Please don’t tag radio telescopes with tower:communication. Telescopes
> observe, they do not communicate or send information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_telescopes lists many
radio telescopes which communicate and send
according to the definition for man_made=tower (that is currently
discussed), telecopes are usually not towers (they are not much higher than
wide, they are not generally accessible, etc.)
Cheers,
Martin
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Please don’t tag radio telescopes with tower:communication. Telescopes
observe, they do not communicate or send information.
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:53 PM Andrew Harvey
wrote:
> What about
>
> man_made=tower
> tower:type=communication
> tower:construction=dish
>
> See for example
if you known the "land scope" of a consulate,
of course you may add it like we did sometime for school
and thus all tag are only on one polygon.
but landuse can't be the main tag, because if you have no idea about the
scope of a consulate, or if the consulate only have a level inside a
building,
What about
man_made=tower
tower:type=communication
tower:construction=dish
See for example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/14565 it's even
rendered on the default OSM map.
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 17:38, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
>
> I am working on rendering man_made=telescopes, starting
Le 25. 10. 18 à 09:35, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit :
> Would it be acceptable to add man_made=radio_telescope to
> deprecated features, and suggest use of the more common
> man_made=telescope & telescope:type=radio tags?
imho yes it's a good idea to avoid 2 tags with the same meaning
Am Do., 25. Okt. 2018 um 11:08 Uhr schrieb SelfishSeahorse <
selfishseaho...@gmail.com>:
>
> As i've written in my previous message, guy-wires are used to
> stabilise tall masts. Therefore the absence of guy-wires doesn't imply
> that it's a tower.
>
+1
> I'd leave the current definition as
On 2018-10-25 06:42, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 11:41, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Err no.
>>
>> The 'government' is not 'foreign' but of federal/state/local jurisdiction to
>> that place.
>>
>> landuse=diplomatic???
>
> Yes, but that patch of ground is
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 07:45, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> A lot of the big ones will be listed somewhere on the internet - the really
> big ones have their heights listed on that wiki page I mentioned earlier
Just note that Wikipedia (and other websites) isn't a legal source for
OSM because
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 00:04, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> Do we also need a RFC / vote to amend the wiki page, or can I just amend it &
> clear up the bad reference photo's?
>
> I'd be looking at combining the mentioned engineering definition with the
> popular opinion expressed here to
Am Do., 25. Okt. 2018 um 03:41 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
> Err no.
> The 'government' is not 'foreign' but of federal/state/local jurisdiction
> to that place.
>
>
+1, I'd also see this somehow misleading, as it is refering to a foreign
government, while the landuse tag usually
Am Do., 25. Okt. 2018 um 01:41 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg <
joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>:
> 1. Multipurpose tower still seems a little ambiguous to me. Observation
> tower is closer for most of them, because they are big enough to have
> elevators and public observation decks, right?
>
+1. If
Am Do., 25. Okt. 2018 um 09:36 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg <
joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>:
> There is no wiki page for man_made=radio_telescope
>
> The old 2008 proposal page for Observatory listed both
> man_made=radio_telecope and telescope:type=radio, so that’s the source of
> ambiguity
>
There is no wiki page for man_made=radio_telescope
The old 2008 proposal page for Observatory listed both
man_made=radio_telecope and telescope:type=radio, so that’s the source of
ambiguity
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Observatory
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 4:09 PM Martin
Thanks for pointing to it. It was also reminding of this earlier discussion on how to tag the "friendly" attitude of a place, but I couldn't find it back.
"Biker friendly" is difficult to grasp because it's a mindset more than a fact, and we don't map places for their mindset but for tangible and
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> On 25. Oct 2018, at 08:36, Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
>
> man_made=radio_telecope is listed as a possible tagging mistake on the
> telescope wiki page. But there are still over 200 tagged with this, versus
> 450 with telescope:type=radio. It is not on the deprecated
I am working on rendering man_made=telescopes, starting with
telescope:type=radio. Next will be telescope:type=optical.
I noticed that man_made=radio_telecope is listed as a possible tagging
mistake on the telescope wiki page. But there are still over 200 tagged
with this, versus 450 with
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