Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-21 Thread Allroads
There lots of forest roads/path, where the bicycle/pushed carried is prohibited. Mostly, private owned land with a access_sign. “the bicycle” “transportation vehicle” is prohibited. Because, navigation programs do not us bicycle=no, as a hard no, there is the need for a extra value.

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Peter Elderson
I think the Why question comes first! Best, Peter Elderson Op di 21 jul. 2020 om 21:47 schreef Andy Townsend : > On 21/07/2020 20:37, pangoSE wrote: > > > > Andy Townsend skrev: (21 juli 2020 13:31:45 CEST) > > > >> I've also been trying to add these (both guideposts and route markers) > >>

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/07/2020 20:37, pangoSE wrote: Andy Townsend skrev: (21 juli 2020 13:31:45 CEST) I've also been trying to add these (both guideposts and route markers) to the relevant hiking route relation. That does not sound right to me. Why would you do that? How would you indicate which relation

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread pangoSE
Andy Townsend skrev: (21 juli 2020 13:31:45 CEST) >On 21/07/2020 12:04, Michal Fabík wrote: > >I've also been trying to add these (both guideposts and route markers) >to the relevant hiking route relation. That does not sound right to me. Why would you do that? A route relation is in my

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
+1, this can be somehow tagged, but there is no need to invent a new tag I would also tag guidepost attached to building as information=guidepost, even if it would be supported by wall, not a post 21 Jul 2020, 18:22 by jm...@gmx.com: > On 7/21/2020 11:02 AM, Jan Michel wrote: > >> Hi Michal, >>

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Jmapb
On 7/21/2020 11:02 AM, Jan Michel wrote: Hi Michal, I would stay with information=guidepost for those. They serve exactly the same purpose, so they should get the same major tag. It's only the way the sign is made that is different. You can add the common tags like "support", "material",

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 16:02, Jan Michel wrote: > > I would stay with information=guidepost for those. > That is fine if the only meaning you wish to convey is that there is something which indicates the path of the route. But there are those, like me, who think the physical appearance is

Re: [Tagging] source=RTK_GNSS

2020-07-21 Thread Allroads
Thanks for the accuracy link “you should mark the approximate accuracy of the given measurement as returned by the instrument in the given instant.” That is also better. It is just, that you get a hint, source, accuracy, that the data is measured in. Before you drag a

[Tagging] Farmlands subject to rotation of crops

2020-07-21 Thread Michael Montani
Dear all, I wanted to check with you which is the best way to map farmlands subject to rotation of crops. An example could be of a farmland used for general crop in one part of the year and left it at rest for the remaining part of the year, being actually used as a meadow for animals grazing

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Jan Michel
Hi Michal, I would stay with information=guidepost for those. They serve exactly the same purpose, so they should get the same major tag. It's only the way the sign is made that is different. You can add the common tags like "support", "material", "location" or "colour" to give further details

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Except cases where there is a clear agreement that some scheme is clearly preferable, but in such cases it is extremely rare for such scheme to gain comparable popularity.  Jul 21, 2020, 15:25 by vosc...@gmail.com: > Please let us not forget that the wiki is supposed to document what is used

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jul 21, 2020, 15:21 by tomasstrau...@gmail.com: > 2020-07-21, an, 15:00 Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging rašė: > >>> It is totally NERDY. >>> >> What you mean by that? >> > > There are two very different things: > * IT > * coding > > IT considers wider/higher-level things like stability,

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Tomas Straupis
2020-07-21, an, 15:17 Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging rašė: > Because despite claims mentioned above - there are also people preferring the > second schema, > it is not case of "iD developers vs community" like it is/was with some case. Situation when there are no barriers to changing widely

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Christoph Hormann
> Tomas Straupis hat am 21. Juli 2020 um 15:21 > geschrieben: > > IT considers wider/higher-level things like stability, quality of > the final product, documentation, usability etc. etc. IT expertise is > gained by years of doing work on IT (coding is NOT IT expertise). > > Only

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 14:23, Tomas Straupis wrote: > 2020-07-21, an, 15:00 Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging rašė: > >> It is totally NERDY. > > What you mean by that? > > There are two very different things: > * IT > * coding > Such a simple world you live in. There is a third thing you

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Volker Schmidt
Please let us not forget that the wiki is supposed to document what is used in OSM. In this case it should say that two schemes exist, and, if we have good numbers for the relative use, we can add that. Putting an advice to prefer one or the other is not within the scope of the wiki in such a

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 13:42, Michal Fabík wrote: > On 7/21/20 1:31 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: > > I've used "tourism=information; information=route_marker" for these. > > "trail_blaze" is also frequently used > > That doesn't sound right to me. If I understand the description on the > Wiki[1]

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Tomas Straupis
2020-07-21, an, 15:00 Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging rašė: >> It is totally NERDY. > What you mean by that? There are two very different things: * IT * coding IT considers wider/higher-level things like stability, quality of the final product, documentation, usability etc. etc. IT

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-21 Thread Michael Montani
I think it is a good idea to consider a threshold of vegetation present on the ground in order not to confuse the proposed natural=bare_soil with other landcover tags as natural=scrub or natural=grassland. According to the CORINE landcover definitions we mentioned before, sparsely vegetated

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Michal Fabík
On 7/21/20 1:31 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: I've used "tourism=information; information=route_marker" for these. "trail_blaze" is also frequently used That doesn't sound right to me. If I understand the description on the Wiki[1] correctly, what is tagged as "information=route_marker" or

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jul 21, 2020, 12:13 by em...@daniel-korn.de: > Am 21.07.2020 um 10:55 schrieb Tomas Straupis: > >> 2020-07-21, an, 11:20 dktue rašė: >> >>> Why do we need both variants and why don't we just say that >>> waterway=riverbank is preferred? >>> >> There is an original OpenStreetMap water schema

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jul 21, 2020, 10:18 by em...@daniel-korn.de: > Hi, > > the wiki [1] states for riverbanks that > > "These water areas should be tagged as either of waterway=riverbank OR > natural=water + water=river." > > Why do we need both variants and why don't we just say that > waterway=riverbank is

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jul 21, 2020, 10:55 by tomasstrau...@gmail.com: > 2020-07-21, an, 11:20 dktue rašė: > >> Why do we need both variants and why don't we just say that >> waterway=riverbank is preferred? >> > > There is an original OpenStreetMap water schema with lakes as > natural=water, reservoirs as

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Andy Townsend
On 21/07/2020 12:04, Michal Fabík wrote: Hi, in some parts of the world, it's common practice to paint guidepost information (destinations, distances etc.) on rock faces, trees, walls and similar existing surfaces, rather than use purpose-made plates attached to a pole. (Example:

Re: [Tagging] source=RTK_GNSS

2020-07-21 Thread bkil
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=accuracy Yes, definitely. We used accuracy=* for this in the past, although I see it is now a bit overloaded. accuracy:meters=* and location:accuracy=* both seem to be widely used. All of them should be interpreted as meters by default (i.e.,

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread dktue
 There is no way to calculate the "opinnion" of the community and authoritarian/dictator attitude of iD coders and lack of action ramped up usage of nerdy schema close to original OSM one.  And there is nobody bold to solve this, as there is no governing body/expert group.  Local

[Tagging] source=RTK_GNSS

2020-07-21 Thread Allroads
There is data, what is measured. With RTK GNSS, there is 1cm accuracy possible. Should we tag this mapped data, so that we know the accurancy level of this data? Greetings Allroads.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Michal Fabík
Hi, in some parts of the world, it's common practice to paint guidepost information (destinations, distances etc.) on rock faces, trees, walls and similar existing surfaces, rather than use purpose-made plates attached to a pole. (Example: https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/fody/files/21255.jpg) Do

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Tomas Straupis
2020-07-21, an 13:15, dktue rašė: > > So why can't the wiki state: "If you tag, then please do so using > waterway=riverbank" (as this is preferred by the *community*)? > There is no way to calculate the "opinnion" of the community and authoritarian/dictator attitude of iD coders and lack of

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread dktue
Am 21.07.2020 um 10:55 schrieb Tomas Straupis: 2020-07-21, an, 11:20 dktue rašė: Why do we need both variants and why don't we just say that waterway=riverbank is preferred? There is an original OpenStreetMap water schema with lakes as natural=water, reservoirs as landuse=reservoir,

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Tomas Straupis
2020-07-21, an, 11:20 dktue rašė: > Why do we need both variants and why don't we just say that > waterway=riverbank is preferred? There is an original OpenStreetMap water schema with lakes as natural=water, reservoirs as landuse=reservoir, riverbanks as waterway=riverbank etc. It is a

[Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread dktue
Hi, the wiki [1] states for riverbanks that "These water areas should be tagged as either of waterway=riverbank OR natural=water + water=river." Why do we need both variants and why don't we just say that waterway=riverbank is preferred? Cheers dktue [1]