On 30/04/2024 14:51, Jass Kurn wrote:
Need to point out for others reading this than I am in England, and
influenced by what I believe was likely the original intent of these
tags, that is mapping of the "English/Welsh, rights of way"
I've always treated " foot|bicycle|horse=yes, as a means
Apr 30, 2024, 08:48 by graemefi...@gmail.com:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 at 16:36, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <>
> tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
>
>>
>> At least in Poland we distinguish between
>> signage with legal implications and route
>> markers.
>>
>> In fact, some bicycle trails are
Jass Kurn writes:
> Need to point out for others reading this than I am in England, and
> influenced by what I believe was likely the original intent of these tags,
> that is mapping of the "English/Welsh, rights of way"
>
> I've always treated " foot|bicycle|horse=yes, as a means of showing I
>
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 at 23:57, Andy Townsend wrote:
> In terms of access rights*, I've always thought that (in England and
> Wales**) "yes" and "designated" mean both "a legal right to access", as
> opposed to "permissive" that means "you can go there, but that right can be
> removed by the
Martin Koppenhoefer:
IMHO, these markers have no legal meaning for accessibility (e.g. in Germany and
Italy), but I am not familiar with Hungarian law. Generally, a route is mapped as a
route (relation and/or lcn/rcn/ncn tags), while access (bicycle=designated) is mapped
according to
I would re-iterate Martin's assertion.
In Norway, we tag bicycle=designated/foot=designated when there is a
traffic sign for cycleway/footway/combined. Implicit in this logic is
that the consequence of the traffic sign is a different legal status
compared to an unsigned road. A route sign is
Am Di., 30. Apr. 2024 um 10:54 Uhr schrieb Szem :
> There was a similar conversation in the Hungarian community as well. I
> would like to ask what you think about such (and similar) official bicycle
> route signs:
>
>
There was a similar conversation in the Hungarian community as well. I
would like to ask what you think about such (and similar) official
bicycle route signs:
sent from a phone
> On 30 Apr 2024, at 08:51, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
>> In fact, some bicycle trails are signed where
>> cycling is illegal
>
> So does that then make it legal?
no, in Germany it also happens from time to time that we discover signposted
bicycle routes where cycling
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 at 16:36, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
> At least in Poland we distinguish between
> signage with legal implications and route
> markers.
>
> In fact, some bicycle trails are signed where
> cycling is illegal
>
So does that then make it
30 Apr 2024, 02:39 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:
> On 30/04/2024 9:59 am, Andrew Harvey wrote
> Everything I've seen pretty much goes with: signposted or marked in some way
> to indicate usage = designated.
>
At least in Poland we distinguish between
signage with legal implications and route
Oops, M1-9, not M1-8.
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This is USA-specific in the example I now offer, though notable nonetheless in
this context: there are routes, such as United States Bicycle Routes, which
after they are Approved (by AASHTO), are, in a legal sense, "designated."
However, some states have an aggressive signage program (MUTCD
On Apr 29, 2024, at 6:15 PM, Natfoot wrote:
> But if a trail, road, or cycle tract does not have route markers for use then
> no route=* even if designated.
> -natfoot
I'm nodding my head so far at what I see here. I appreciate Natfoot's reminder
about routes: we're not exactly talking
But if a trail, road, or cycle tract does not have route markers for use
then no route=* even if designated.
-natfoot
On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 17:33 Andrew Harvey wrote:
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>
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 at 09:04, stevea wrote:
>
>> In my mind "designated" means "for this infrastructure / mode-of-travel
On 30/04/2024 9:59 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 at 09:04, stevea wrote:
In my mind "designated" means "for this infrastructure /
mode-of-travel pair, DO use this." Like legislatively or because a
sign says so and quotes a local ordinance or traffic code statute.
"We built
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 at 09:04, stevea wrote:
> In my mind "designated" means "for this infrastructure / mode-of-travel
> pair, DO use this." Like legislatively or because a sign says so and
> quotes a local ordinance or traffic code statute. "We built this, use
> it." (Say, for your own safety
And
"should" or "must" (use this infrastructure with this mode-of-travel)
more-or-less = "designated."
Finally,
"can" more-or-less = "yes."
That's a lot of quotes, but I think you get the drift.
> On Apr 29, 2024, at 4:02 PM, stevea wrote:
>
> In my mind "designated" means "for this
In my mind "designated" means "for this infrastructure / mode-of-travel pair,
DO use this." Like legislatively or because a sign says so and quotes a local
ordinance or traffic code statute. "We built this, use it." (Say, for your
own safety and/or comfort).
With "yes" you certainly can use
On 29/04/2024 16:22, Jass Kurn wrote:
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 at 10:03, Peter Neale via Tagging
wrote:
It is "bicycles=yes" and not "bicycles=designated" because, for a
bridleway https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbridleway
"Cyclists also have a right, unless the
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