Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 2:49 PM Paul Allen wrote: > We shouldn't be asking mappers to guess if it's a line, a minor_line or a > cable before they can map anything. Those distinctions are > refinements that can be added later if further information becomes > available. > Thank you for

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 7:08 PM François Lacombe wrote: > > Agree with Marc marc, the best situation is power=line which can be > completed with other tags to give more precise and useful data. > +1 Without fully knowing all the ramifications I'd guess the line/cable distinction can be

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Le dim. 21 oct. 2018 à 19:13, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > The same may be said about exactly any classification. Major power lines > and minor ones > > categorization is not unique to OSM tagging, the same split is present in > other maps. > Always doing so doesn't make data objective nor an

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Le 21. 10. 18 à 12:50, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > Aren’t major lines usually part of the longer-distance transmission > system, and minor lines are local distribution? Like highway=primary vs > highway=residential? > > That seems like a useful and important distinction, well, as we can see

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

20. Oct 2018 09:03 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com : > > Le sam. 20 oct. 2018 à 04:07, Greg Troxel <> g...@lexort.com > > > a écrit : >> If so, I agree, but it's been explained that this fight happened a while >> ago and what we have now

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

21. Oct 2018 14:06 by j...@liotier.org : > > On 10/21/18 11:23 AM, François Lacombe wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> Le dim. 21 oct. 2018 à >> 09:21, Martin Koppenhoefer <>> dieterdre...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

21. Oct 2018 11:23 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com : > That's exactly my point: currently the necessary classification is made upon > subjective criterias> Big... small... minor... major what does that mean?> As > said things aren't so binary, what about lines

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

On 10/21/18 11:23 AM, François Lacombe wrote: Le dim. 21 oct. 2018 à 09:21, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> a écrit : no, the argument is that this is a basic distinction which anyone can make, without knowing about transmission, distribution or voltage. Line

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Aren’t major lines usually part of the longer-distance transmission system, and minor lines are local distribution? Like highway=primary vs highway=residential? That seems like a useful and important distinction, and it usually goes along with the difference in voltage and the heights of the

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Le dim. 21 oct. 2018 à 09:21, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > > On 20. Oct 2018, at 09:03, François Lacombe > wrote: > > > > We all agree on necessarily classification, but the only argument in > favor of line/minor_line is they are too used to change. > > > no, the argument is that this is a

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

sent from a phone > On 20. Oct 2018, at 09:03, François Lacombe wrote: > > We all agree on necessarily classification, but the only argument in favor of > line/minor_line is they are too used to change. no, the argument is that this is a basic distinction which anyone can make, without

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Le sam. 20 oct. 2018 à 04:07, Greg Troxel a écrit : > If so, I agree, but it's been explained that this fight happened a while > ago and what we have now is the outcome. > Not exactly. I began to contribute to OSM in 2012. People already get used to line/minor_line/cable. All those tags were

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

marc marc writes: > Le 18. 10. 18 à 15:01, Greg Troxel a écrit : >> the idea that people that don't understand the >> power system can tell the difference doesn't really seem right to me. > > so how can my wife add a "this electrical cable" despite she has > no idea what it means transmission

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Le jeu. 18 oct. 2018 à 16:58, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > I think about power=line as "cables on massive towers/poles visible from > far away" > > I think about powe=minor_line as "cables on small poles/tiny towers" > And there is a world between those two. Things aren't so binary, supports

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

18. Oct 2018 15:01 by g...@lexort.com : > So if we think of minor_line as encoding distribution vs transmission, > then it makes sense. But the idea that people that don't understand the > power system can tell the difference doesn't really seem right to me. > I

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Hello, Le 18. 10. 18 à 15:01, Greg Troxel a écrit : > the idea that people that don't understand the > power system can tell the difference doesn't really seem right to me. so how can my wife add a "this electrical cable" despite she has no idea what it means transmission <> distribution nor his

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

François Lacombe writes: > Le mar. 16 oct. 2018 à 00:20, Greg Troxel a écrit : > >> So I don't see how we can make "insulated" a big deal in tagging, >> defining the top-level tag, rather than being a detail to add when >> known. > > I agree with both of you Greg and Marc > Nevertheless, this

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Mateusz Konieczny writes: > In my case I am interested in differentiating major power lines and > minor power lines without further details. > > Given power=liner and power=minor_line scheme existed before I joined > OSM and is really popular I guess that I am not alone. I find the wiki sort of

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Le jeu. 18 oct. 2018 à 09:49, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > +1, if you don’t agree with the distinction you can simply treat line and > minor_line the same and pretend they were all mapped as line. > Which is a workaround and not a sustainable approach. The same was said for power=station,

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

sent from a phone > On 17. Oct 2018, at 11:39, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Given power=liner and power=minor_line scheme existed before I joined OSM and > > is really popular I guess that I am not alone > +1, if you don’t agree with the distinction you can simply treat line and

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

17. Oct 2018 11:30 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com : > Le 17. 10. 18 à 10:50, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : >> 16. Oct 2018 09:47 by >> fl.infosrese...@gmail.com >> >> >> I'm still opposed to minor_line since in merge several

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Le 17. 10. 18 à 10:50, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > 16. Oct 2018 09:47 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com > I'm still opposed to minor_line since in merge several different > concept in one value, and is only useful for rendering > > power=line/power=minor_line is useful for both mappers and

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

16. Oct 2018 09:47 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com : > I'm still opposed to minor_line since in merge several different concept in > one value, and is only useful for rendering power=line/power=minor_line is useful for both mappers and data users not

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

On 16/10/18 18:47, François Lacombe wrote: Le mar. 16 oct. 2018 à 00:20, Greg Troxel > a écrit : So I don't see how we can make "insulated" a big deal in tagging, defining the top-level tag, rather than being a detail to add when known. For me a single

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Le 16. 10. 18 à 00:20, Greg Troxel a écrit : > François Lacombe writes: > >> Basically in power language, a line is not insulated >> while a cable actually is. > > So I don't see how we can make "insulated" a big deal in tagging, > defining the top-level tag, rather than being a detail to add

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

François Lacombe writes: > Basically in power language, a line is not insulated while a cable actually > is. A difficulty here is that mappers cannot tell a protective covering from insulation. I was at an open house of my power company recently and they had a mockup of a distribution line, of

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

I would also expect cables to render very late by default (i.e. not voltage tagged), similar to minor lines or even later, if we are basically going to distinguish a cable running from the door bell to the push button from a high voltage transmission cable only by adding the voltage. Cheers,

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Le lun. 15 oct. 2018 à 16:13, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > Would you recommend renderering lines and cables of unknown voltage as low > voltage, eg only render on zoom level 18 or 19 (neighborhood or Bock > level), with a thin line? > Yes, this would solve the cluttering problem and encourage

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Sorry, that should be “80% of power=cable...” On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 11:11 PM Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > 0% of power=cable have a voltage tag: > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/power=cable#combinations > > Only 30% of power=minor_line have a voltage: >

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

0% of power=cable have a voltage tag: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/power=cable#combinations Only 30% of power=minor_line have a voltage: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/power=minor_line#combinations It seems that most mappers do not put a voltage on small power lines. I suspect

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

On Mon, October 15, 2018 2:28 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Is there any limit to what can be mapped power=cable ? > Can micromappers use this tag for wires connecting their > house to a garage ? voltage=* is a clear importance filter that offers a simple practical solution to fears of excessive

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Is there any limit to what can be mapped power=cable? Can micromappers use this tag for wires connecting their house to a garage? Or a wire from their garage to a string of light bulbs hanging across the back yard? Should there be a different tag for power wires at the consumer level? On Mon,

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Hi Joseph, Yes, according to you, it's a power cable. We don't use the same tags: the first got voltage=2000 while the second got voltage=220 All the best *François Lacombe* fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com www.infos-reseaux.com @InfosReseaux

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

What about the 2 insulated wires that attach my house to the nearest power pole? Are they a power=cable (overhead)? If we use the same tag for huge 10 cm wide cables and tiny 1cm cables, it makes it hard for map renderers to show power cables at all without leading to problems. Joseph On Sun,

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

Hi Jospeh, What a time to discuss about minor_line! Basically in power language, a line is not insulated while a cable actually is. I won't be in favor to slightly adapt minor_line to include some cables (even tiny). More generally, the concern to show on carto render only what is relevant or

[Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

The team at Openstreetmap-carto (the "standard" map style) recently added rendering for power=cable which are specifically tagged as being overground or overhead (on the ground or on poles). Most power=cable are high-voltage underground or underwater power cables, but some are insulated cables