Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-10-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
The proposal would benefit from additional attention to lite tagging, for those not interested in the full level of detail. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-10-09 Thread François Lacombe
Hi Bryce, Did you mean you find the proposal a bit difficult to understand ? Yes it is. Nevertheless, many of tagging is optional, I can edit the document to show it in a more understandable way. This proposal doesn't prevent mappers to map large overhead transmission lines as landmark if they

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-10-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:46 PM, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: You can send me any formal and constructive suggestion about that. Vote will begin shortly. Stay tuned. I've found the power proposal a bit much to follow... ... but have found it satisfying to map

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-10-07 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, Please note the update of the power transmission proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_transmission_refinement 1. Removing the man_made=pole / man_made=tower introduction - Deeper work should be done both in power and telecommunication fields to find a proper

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-23 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:38 PM, François Lacombe Deprecating power=tower and power=pole was my first proposition. Many people goes against it and then I refined the proposal. For now I'm just introducing man_made=tower + tower:type=power to use it when power=* is needed to describe hosted

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-23 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, I can't open voting right now since some other points are still incomplete (RFC outlined comments and it's time to find a solution). Moreover, substation refinement vote is currently opened, one thing at a time. Be sure I'm willing to propose a good solution to the multiple power instances

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread bredy
Andreas Labres wrote On 21.09.13 21:16, Ole Nielsen wrote: On 21/09/2013 21:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I continue to oppose the usage of man_made=tower for electricity lattice towers (that what has been power=tower until now and which is 4,8 Million times in use). Why should we change

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread fly
+1 using man_made=tower for all towers Lets show that we are flexible enough and not that conservative to fix mistakes even if they were made some years ago and if the are right now an established method. Am 21.09.2013 21:16, schrieb Ole Nielsen: On 21/09/2013 21:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 22/set/2013 um 15:14 schrieb fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: +1 using man_made=tower for all towers are electrical towers actual towers? Do you propose to also discourage the use of water_tower? What do we gain? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread fly
Am 22.09.2013 15:21, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 22/set/2013 um 15:14 schrieb fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: +1 using man_made=tower for all towers are electrical towers actual towers? Considering tower:type=communication - Yes. Do you propose to also discourage the use of

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 22/set/2013 um 15:40 schrieb fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: P.s.: What about towers/poles for aerialways ? I wouldn't tag them as man_made=tower I wouldn't tag every antenna as tower neither, but of course there are communication towers (e.g. there are some famous ones for tv).

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread François Lacombe
2013/9/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Am 22/set/2013 um 15:40 schrieb fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: P.s.: What about towers/poles for aerialways ? I wouldn't tag them as man_made=tower I introduce man_made=pole if you want ;) *François Lacombe* francois dot

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 22 September 2013 15:34, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't tag them as man_made=tower Me neither. The typical large metal framework structures for carrying high-voltage electricity cables would be unlikely to be called towers in normal British English language

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread alessandro zardo
Oggetto: Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness On 22 September 2013 15:34, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't tag them as man_made=tower Me neither. The typical large metal framework structures for carrying high-voltage electricity cables would be unlikely

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread François Lacombe
2013/9/22 Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com so if we have to use something under man_made, I'd go for man_made=pylon. Why not. It's even better than power=tower IMHO. 2013/9/22 alessandro zardo bredy...@yahoo.it what is lattice framework structure can I see a

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread alessandro zardo
It's like this. http://wharferj.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/electricity-pylons-001.jpg But this for me are tower. and about minor_line? minor_line should be deprecated by power transmission refinement. But It's a proposal not yet approved ___

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread François Lacombe
2013/9/22 alessandro zardo bredy...@yahoo.it minor_line should be deprecated by power transmission refinement. But It's a proposal not yet approved All what we are discussing about, right now, is how things will go once this proposal would has been accepted. Even if we have minor_line

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 22/set/2013 um 21:10 schrieb François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu: All what we are discussing about, right now, is how things will go once this proposal would has been accepted. you would need an extraordinary vote to deprecate power=tower ;-)

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread François Lacombe
Deprecating power=tower and power=pole was my first proposition. Many people goes against it and then I refined the proposal. For now *I'm just introducing man_made=tower* + tower:type=power to use it when power=* is needed to describe hosted devices. Thus, man_made=tower doesn't seem to be the

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-22 Thread NopMap
dieterdreist wrote I continue to oppose the usage of man_made=tower for electricity lattice towers +1 The wiki page [1] currently states consistently in English and German that a man_made=tower is a solid building while girder frameworks are man_made=mast. A tower is a building. It makes

[Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-21 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, Since the last discussions about that topic this summer, the choice has been made to introduce man_made=tower and man_made=pole as an equivalent to power=tower or power=pole in the power transmission refinement proposal.

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/9/21 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu Nevertheless, using man_made=tower requires to add an extra tag to give the usefulness of the tower. tower:type=* is usually used to give this information. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tower:type#Tower_types Some power

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-09-21 Thread Ole Nielsen
On 21/09/2013 21:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I continue to oppose the usage of man_made=tower for electricity lattice towers (that what has been power=tower until now and which is 4,8 Million times in use). Why should we change this well established practise, which would require 4,8 Million