Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

Well, perhaps I misunderstood the proposal. It sounded to me like the proposal was that a store aimed at selling building materials to professional builders, but not the general public, would simply be tagged shop=trade, with no further qualifiers to specify what trade was intended. -- John

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> On Oct 19, 2015, at 12:39 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Trade is more an access tag, you can have a shop=motor_spares for > example. Some are open to the public, Is that really implied in the trade tag? I understand if you need a license or certification to buy parts

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Javbw > On Oct 18, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > >> Am 18.10.2015 um 02:28 schrieb John Eldredge : >> >> I find shop=trade too generic to be useful, as there are many different >> trades besides the building-construction

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sent from a phone > Am 18.10.2015 um 02:28 schrieb John Eldredge : > > I find shop=trade too generic to be useful, as there are many different > trades besides the building-construction trades. +1, cheers Martin ___

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On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 07:28:39PM -0500, John Eldredge wrote: > I find shop=trade too generic to be useful, as there are many different > trades besides the building-construction trades. Where does that constraint come from? You can have the subtag trade take pretty well any relevant value.

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 12:59:28PM +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 18 October 2015 at 12:55, ael wrote: > > But really it was invented as a way to tag clear groups of places that > > had no obvious existing tags > > Do you have a source for that? (Not questioning

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On 18 October 2015 at 12:55, ael wrote: > But really it was invented as a way to tag clear groups of places that > had no obvious existing tags Do you have a source for that? (Not questioning you, just curious to read the original discussion.) -- Matthijs

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Trade is more an access tag, you can have a shop=motor_spares for example. Some are open to the public, others are exclusively to sell to other businesses and will refuse access to normal people. The same is true for some shop=diy, others such as B whilst open to all do have a separate trade

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 04:39:37PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > Trade is more an access tag, you can have a shop=motor_spares for > example. Some are open to the public, others are exclusively to sell to > other businesses and will refuse access to normal people. The same is > true for some

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 12:59:28PM +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 18 October 2015 at 12:55, ael wrote: > > But really it was invented as a way to tag clear groups of places that > > had no obvious existing tags > > Do you have a source for that? (Not questioning

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I find shop=trade too generic to be useful, as there are many different trades besides the building-construction trades. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther

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There are a couple shops like "la mesa Lumber" and places dedicated to stone that are public shops. Often times they are the more "pro" shops a builder or DIY person goes to source a large quantity of wood, tile, or stone for a building project - but there is not a tool to be found (all that is

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2015-10-07 20:26 GMT+02:00 Matthijs Melissen : > On 7 October 2015 at 15:58, Daniel Koć wrote: > > builder > > Not sure what this is used for. > neither am I. Maybe it's for developers that have public-facing offices to present their future projects and

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Li really like the idea of cleaning up the shop values, especially removing really generic ones. But specific ones have their place For example, electronics is a good shop value, but what about a ham radio store? Generic hobby shops exist, what about model train shops? We need to create a

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Great idea John. But we are going to have to deal with "mixed" shops, which fall into multiple categories at once. Our reluctance to find a proper solution for multi-valued attributes has already caused zillions of brain-hours to be expended on heated, protracted discussions with no sign of

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> On Oct 8, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > >> > printing - copyshop? >> if they don't offer "copying"? Copyshop would seem wrong in these cases. > > There is a clear difference in a shop that provides copiers > and maybe some laser printers, compared to the

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> On Oct 8, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Some 'shops' also do repair, servicing of the things they sell. Bicycles has > already been equipped with tags for that, > and I'd think the sub tags should allow for it too... > > For example > > sells:hobby:train=yes

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Javbw On Oct 8, 2015, at 4:40 AM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: >> Similar to shop=craft. > > Do you know what hobby this is about? Almost everything can be a hobby. I belive it is about some form of scale model building or small scale electric things (trains rc cars, planes).

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On 10/07/2015 09:58 AM, Daniel Koć wrote: Candidates for deprecating: general - deprecate and propose to look for other shop values (like "yes")? No. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_store --Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list

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On 07.10.2015 20:26, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 7 October 2015 at 15:58, Daniel Koć wrote: >> builder > > Not sure what this is used for. I have mapped some craft=builder. Small offices, maybe with some storage for tools and construction materials. shop=* seems wrong. >>

[Tagging] Shop values review

I was trying to review the shop values we show in osm-carto (top 100 according to TagInfo - you can list it by running this Ruby script: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/scripts/shop_values.rb ) and here are my quick findings: No wiki page or definition (some of

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Daniel Koć wrote: > discount > flooring > games > health_food > hobby > tiles At least these are probably or possibly locally referred to as they are tagged, Maybe someone can come up with fitting but more general values, if there are any. If a shop sells mostly only games, it's a shop selling

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On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: > interior_decoration - houseware? > JOSM has an icon for interior_decoration. and as Lauri wrote I use it for places selling carpets, curtains etc. > shopping_centre - mall? > This was discussed in the past year. As far as I

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On Wed, 2015-10-07 at 15:58 +0200, Daniel Koć wrote: > I was trying to review the shop values we show in osm-carto (top 100 > according to TagInfo - you can list it by running this Ruby script: > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/scrip > ts/shop_values.rb > ) and

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On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 03:58:23PM +0200, Daniel Koć wrote: > building_materials Very likely shop=trade and trade=building_supplies although perhaps it does not cater for professionals. ael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

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On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: > Candidates for deprecating: > radiotechnics - electronics? I proposed[1] electronic_parts (though honestly didn't remember to make a voting after the RFC) - in a hindsight it could probably be named electronic_supply as they

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On 7 October 2015 at 15:58, Daniel Koć wrote: > builder Not sure what this is used for. > building_materials Possibly duplicate with shop=doityourself, not sure though. > craft I use this for shops selling coloured paper, glue, knitting supplies etc. > discount I use

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sent from a phone > Am 07.10.2015 um 15:58 schrieb Daniel Koć : > > No wiki page or definition (some of them can be also candidates for > deprecating and replacing with something else): some of them are defined on other wikipages. For craft I'm sure there is a page cheers

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sent from a phone > Am 07.10.2015 um 19:08 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : > > some of them are defined on other wikipages. For craft I'm sure there is a > page please forget this, sorry for the noise Regarding the idea to make them more general: when it's a specific