Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

sent from a phone > Il giorno 11 lug 2016, alle ore 15:09, Greg Troxel ha > scritto: > > My real point is that "group home" is a loaded term, and using it as a > tag where it goes beyond the US usage is likely to cause problems. +1, also for me (with no knowledge about the

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

Tom Pfeifer writes: > Greg Troxel wrote on 2016/07/02 01:08: > >> Almost no one moves to a "group home" because of age-related mobility or >> cognitive issues. > > Hm, maybe that is not so visible as a facility, but certainly lots of fitter > seniors join to share a

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2016/07/05 12:17: Maybe we have a more profound problem here with the "social facility" tag, and it comes out, > it wasn't the best of all ideas to have "social facility" as a generic category? In the end, > if this covers all kind of different stuff (soup

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

2016-07-05 11:48 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer : > Hm, maybe that is not so visible as a facility, but certainly lots of > fitter > seniors join to share a flat, with an individual room for each of them, > privately organised among them. > indeed, I don't believe this would

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

Greg Troxel wrote on 2016/07/05 01:08: So this comes down to being difficutl world wide. I agree with the notion of the definitions and not getting hung up on the terms. Yes, but as said earlier, there is a continuum of possibilities, in particular if you interleave the US definitions you

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

Greg Troxel wrote on 2016/07/02 01:08: Almost no one moves to a "group home" because of age-related mobility or cognitive issues. Hm, maybe that is not so visible as a facility, but certainly lots of fitter seniors join to share a flat, with an individual room for each of them, privately

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > How would you call this: > http://www.berkretirement.com/LivingOptions/RetirementLiving ? That looks like two related facilities, one that is probably "independent living" (meaning own appt, meals/housekeeping provided), and one nursing

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

2016-07-03 15:57 GMT+02:00 Greg Troxel : > > while the retirement home is a big > > institutionalized facility, more similar to a hospital (but without > > the illness, and need for extensive medical care, or it would be a > > nursing home) > > Around Massachusetts, as far as I

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

> Il giorno 03 lug 2016, alle ore 10:44, Colin Smale ha scritto: > > We just need a system for this to be classified and tagged in OSM. Is it for the "elderly", "physically disabled", "mentally ill", "terminally ill", or what? actually the amenity=social_facilty tag works

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > sent from a phone > >> Il giorno 02 lug 2016, alle ore 01:36, Colin Smale >> ha scritto: >> >> So if you think both a retirement home and assisted living >> accommodation are the same thing, it doesn't matter much

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

Colin Smale writes: > A commercial website is not the same as a dictionary Commercial > entities can have an interest in not using generic terminology, whereas > a dictionary is all about ensuring a common understanding. Agreed. > A "group home" is, to me (UK

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

On 2016-07-03 02:42, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> Il giorno 02 lug 2016, alle ore 18:03, Colin Smale >> ha scritto: >> >> A commercial website is not the same as a dictionary Commercial entities >> can have an interest in not using generic

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

sent from a phone > Il giorno 02 lug 2016, alle ore 18:03, Colin Smale ha > scritto: > > A commercial website is not the same as a dictionary Commercial entities > can have an interest in not using generic terminology, whereas a dictionary > is all about ensuring

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

A commercial website is not the same as a dictionary Commercial entities can have an interest in not using generic terminology, whereas a dictionary is all about ensuring a common understanding. A "group home" is, to me (UK English native speaker), a phrase consisting of two words, and I can

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

sent from a phone > Il giorno 02 lug 2016, alle ore 01:00, Greg Troxel ha > scritto: > > Again, none of these would ever be called (in the US) group homes. . Group home implies living in (small) groups. There are group homes for elderly (as a specific kind of assisted

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

sent from a phone > Il giorno 02 lug 2016, alle ore 01:36, Colin Smale ha > scritto: > > So if you think both a retirement home and assisted living accommodation are > the same thing, it doesn't matter much which of these is used in OSM (we > usually follow British

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

> On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:08 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > few (maybe 3 in 100) will be younger, but have some kind of mobility or > cognitive impairment that basically is the same situation. My uncle was in a hospital-like nursing home (very institutional) which as full of old

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

Why not try taking a more objective approach with the tagging? I mean less emphasis on what it is called (which clearly varies widely and is subject to discussion) and more emphasis on what it is, which should be less controversial and give a quicker convergence. One might consider

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > Wikipedia also seems to confirm that this is a specific service > (although I don't buy the "too young for a retirement home" part): > > "Assisted living as it exists today emerged in the 1990s as an > eldercare alternative on the continuum

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > AFAIK assisted living is a more specific term then it might seem at > first sight, a kind of residence within apartments and assistance on > demand, as opposed to a retirement home with less privacy and more > institutional character, but

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

sent from a phone > Il giorno 01 lug 2016, alle ore 21:41, Tom Pfeifer > ha scritto: > > There is certainly a general trend to provide such social services on a > smaller > scale, e.g. children are not locked into dormitory-style orphanages > anymore but cared for in

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

As we have seen from the nursing home discussion, there is a continuum of variations of such facilities, with overlapping concepts. In OSM we need to decide, how many distinctive tags we need. There was a clear need to separate group_home from nursing_home. I'm not convinced yet that we need

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

sent from a phone > Il giorno 01 lug 2016, alle ore 19:02, Tom Pfeifer > ha scritto: > > As it is not a nursing home, there is no constant nursing. So a nurse might be > available on request, or there might be age-specific animation, so it is > either > "assisted

Re: [Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2016/07/01 17:13: After the recent discussion nursing homes, there is a similar situation with retirement_homes. I suggest to introduce a new tag social_facility=retirement_home for these. Currently, there are examples on this page:

[Tagging] amenity=retirement_home and social facility

After the recent discussion nursing homes, there is a similar situation with retirement_homes. I suggest to introduce a new tag social_facility=retirement_home for these. Currently, there are examples on this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:social_facility#Examples suggesting that