Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

It's not about the 'gear'. It's about the vehicle needing to do something that, as far as I'm concerned, is totally unexpected on a bus route. If they put the gear in neutral and had some slaves/volunteers there that pushed the bus backwards (and a supervisor checking they don't run anybody over),

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

2018-05-29 1:09 GMT+02:00 Graeme Fitzpatrick : > Could you fool the routers / system by inserting an imaginary > mini-roundabout at the end of the cul-de-sac? > > That way the router would think that the bus drives in, goes round the > roundabout, then drives out again. > > Include a note that

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

Are we talking about PTv1 or PTv2? On 28/5/18 23:24, Jo wrote: Hi, A few days ago I helped Paul Allen with mapping some bus routes. During one of these itineraries, the bus has to do something totally counterintuitive, twice! ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

Not a bad suggestion, but I think the point is that the driver uses reverse gear. The route should validate just fine, at least in JOSM. The question is whether others will stomp on it, which is precisely what the note=* tag is for. You could add it to the route itself, not just the way, if you

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

Could you fool the routers / system by inserting an imaginary mini-roundabout at the end of the cul-de-sac? That way the router would think that the bus drives in, goes round the roundabout, then drives out again. Include a note that the roundabout doesn't actually exist, but is only shown for

Re: [Tagging] RFC proposed water property key 'ephemeral '

On 29/05/18 01:47, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 28. May 2018 02:22 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : Why not add the tag water=yes to all waterways and lakes etc? Because it adds no useful info? Adding intermittent=yes to seasonal=yes adds no usefull information

Re: [Tagging] random lawns and uncontrolled shrubs tagged as leisure=garden

28. May 2018 19:33 by pelder...@gmail.com : > What would be the appropriate tagging for those areas? (Over here, there's > usually a deserted wastedump or an unexploded WW1- bomb underneath, but > that's another discussion). In my mapping I would use

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 8:38 PM, Jo wrote: > I have also mapped many routes with loops, lollipops/spoons where the same > ways are traversed multiple times. But I had not encountered a route where > the bus needs to do parts driving backwards. I think this is mostly avoided > because it's

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 4:41 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: open_air_vendor and outdoor_vendor are also problematic as my intention > > was to include also vendors that operate under roofs and I expect that in > > some places there are pernament shops that are outdoors. > I'd say that open_air

Re: [Tagging] random lawns and uncontrolled shrubs tagged as leisure=garden

Mateusz, I don't know if you have a garden yourself, but more than often people have plans fot their lot, without been able to realize them :) On the other side of the transat chair, there's also people enjoying some wilderness in their garden. Honestly, I won't judge the gardening talent of the

Re: [Tagging] random lawns and uncontrolled shrubs tagged as leisure=garden

sent from a phone > On 28. May 2018, at 17:54, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Currently garden on wiki at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden is described as > not just any place where plants grow but as requiring it at least planned. > > Despite that people frequently

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

Replying specifically to this point: *Sure, renderers and routers might cope with the bus going to point X and magically* *switching its direction of travel by 180 degrees but it's a bit puzzling for dataconsumers. Does the bus go out of service there? Is it a terminus? Has the mapper*

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

28. May 2018 18:09 by pla16...@gmail.com : > Sure, renderers and routers might cope with the bus going to point X and > magically > switching its direction of travel by 180 degrees but it's a bit puzzling for > data > consumers.  Does the bus go out of service there? 

Re: [Tagging] random lawns and uncontrolled shrubs tagged as leisure=garden

sent from a phone > On 28. May 2018, at 17:54, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > and generally places that does not indicate that there was any attempt > to create "distinguishable planned space, usually outdoors, set aside > for the display, cultivation, and enjoyment of plants and other forms

Re: [Tagging] random lawns and uncontrolled shrubs tagged as leisure=garden

What would be the appropriate tagging for those areas? (Over here, there's usually a deserted wastedump or an unexploded WW1- bomb underneath, but that's another discussion). 2018-05-28 17:54 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > Currently garden on wiki at >

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

On 28 May 2018 at 17:51, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > You may dislike this tagging scheme but seasonal=yes + intermittent=yes > > is not unclear. > > > It means that > > - presence is not pernament > > - presence is seasonal You are right. Stupid me ...

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

> > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 14:46:09 +0200 > From: Peter Elderson > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] roundtrip > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Nice to know. > Do they have

Re: [Tagging] RFC proposed water property key 'ephemeral '

> > > From: Mateusz Konieczny > > > I consider it as an useful information to distinguish permanent > waterways and waterbodies > > > from nonpernament. > I agree. As a point of reference, the standard 1:25000 topographic maps of Spain produced by IGN, the national geographic institute,

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Erkin Alp Güney wrote: > Does it have any stops in the street it reverses into? Not that I've seen. But if somebody asked to get off there I'm fairly sure that most of the drivers would permit it. And since it backs as far as a bench, I'm also fairly sure

[Tagging] random lawns and uncontrolled shrubs tagged as leisure=garden

Currently garden on wiki at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden is described as not just any place where plants grow but as requiring it at least planned. Despite that people frequently use it for areas that include

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

28. May 2018 13:56 by selfishseaho...@gmail.com : > On 26 May 2018 at 15:27, Tod Fitch <> t...@fitchdesign.com > > > wrote: >> ... So something like >> >> waterway=* (or natural=spring | water ) >> presence=perennial | seasonal |

Re: [Tagging] RFC proposed water property key 'ephemeral '

28. May 2018 02:22 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : > Why not add the tag water=yes to all waterways and lakes etc? > Because it adds no useful info? > About as usefull as the tag intermittent now as it means any waterway that > might not have water in it ..

Re: [Tagging] Rock outcrops in forest

sent from a phone > On 28. May 2018, at 14:50, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > But creating two separate geometries to document different properties of > the same real world objects, like the ground conditions in a > wood/forest, is both pretty pointless and against OSM

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

28. May 2018 01:07 by pla16...@gmail.com : > On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick <> graemefi...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > >> >> >> So for clarification, when there's a market that only operates on eg >> Saturday mornings

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Jo wrote: > > A few days ago I helped Paul Allen with mapping some bus routes. > For which, many thanks. I have a few more questions about that route (I'll contact you privately), because it's *weird* > During one of these itineraries, the

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

Does it have any stops in the street it reverses into? If not, it is not formally a part of the route and just a convention. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

Hi, A few days ago I helped Paul Allen with mapping some bus routes. During one of these itineraries, the bus has to do something totally counterintuitive, twice! It has to back up in reverse to get out of a cul-de-sac. The obvious way to solve this to me is to double the way it starts reversing

Re: [Tagging] Rock outcrops in forest

On Monday 28 May 2018, Ture Pålsson wrote: > > > > landuse=residential and landuse:secondary=retail is what is > > happening on the ground in some places. > > Random thoughts: > > Does this really buy anything compared to overlapping polygons > (except, obviously, where the polygons are

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

Nice to know. Do they have "trailheads" as well? That is, areas with amenities like parking space, bicycle clamps, toilets, guideposts, infoboards, ice cream vending spot, waste containers, horse food dispenser, soda machines, blister service, ... well, some of of those anyway, clearly meant as

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

On 26 May 2018 at 15:27, Tod Fitch wrote: > ... So something like > > waterway=* (or natural=spring | water ) > presence=perennial | seasonal | intermittent | ephemeral > > If the presence is seasonal, then the existing seasonal=* could be used to > describe what times of

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 12:37 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Would you tag the entire area eg https://www.google.com/ > maps/@-28.0641793,153.4386994,81m/data=!3m1!1e3 as outdoor_vendor > though?, or is that considered implicit in it being a marketplace? > My

Re: [Tagging] Rock outcrops in forest

2018-05-28 02:00 skrev Warin: [ ... ] Actually there are large areas that have flats/apartments with the ground floor as shops ... so the suggested landuse=residential and landuse:secondary=retail is what is happening on the ground in some places. Random thoughts: Does this really buy

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

> > > > I agree that it sounds round, but looking at google results I find that > this use of circular route is extremely common. > > That doesn't surprise me in the context of hiking/cycling trails (I am not commenting on public transport). A specific example I am familiar with: the national

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

sent from a phone > On 28. May 2018, at 11:04, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't think 'circular' is the best word... implies round .. and at least > some are not round. > continuous_route? > looped_route? continuous is less clear, loop might be ok, but circular_route IMHO

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

AFAIK Transmodel uses these terms: - Linear: A simple linear path from an origin stop to a destination stop. It may be exactly symmetric i.e. be traversed to matching stop pairs in the outbound and inbound direction. Or asymmetric – with differences in the stop sequences in each direction. -

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

I agree that it sounds round, but looking at google results I find that this use of circular route is extremely common. 2018-05-28 11:04 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > I don't think 'circular' is the best word... implies round .. and at least > some are not round. > continuous_route?

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

I don't think 'circular' is the best word... implies round .. and at least some are not round. continuous_route? looped_route? On 28/05/18 18:24, Peter Elderson wrote: I think for waymarked circular trails the UK English meaning is not too far off. The waymarks and often available

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

I think for waymarked circular trails the UK English meaning is not too far off. The waymarks and often available map/leaflet/booklet/description do indeed bring you back to the starting point. (Remember the walking_bus discussion?) Having said that, I think circular_route is more to-the-point,

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

I only saw the discussion in this thread, came to the conclusion I (and probably many other Dutch and German speakers) had interpreted the meaning completely wrong. The tag is indeed meaningless, as it stands. Especially for public transport, where it really doesn't matter. We're describing

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

Have you seen the discussion on the roundtrip tag [1]? It looks as if there are two different roundtrip concepts in use: For hiking or cycling routes it means that the route you follow brings you back to the starting point with the outwards route and the return route (mostly) different. in a

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

>From what I gathered during this discussion, roundtrip is mostly understood and used wrongly by mappers. It's also not something about the route, but rather about a passenger who buys a ticket to come back the same way the same day/weekend and paying the return fare on the same ticket

Re: [Tagging] Rock outcrops in forest

sent from a phone > On 28. May 2018, at 02:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > landuse=residential and landuse:secondary=retail is what is happening on the > ground in some places. absolutely , and there might also be offices, landuse:tertiary=commercial? And wait, there’s a

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

I forgot to include the point of my previous message -- I think that being dismantled every night is not so important. P.D. Enviado desde un móvil (celular). Disculpe las erratas. No veo bien la pantalla... El lun., 28 de mayo de 2018 7:51, José G Moya Y. escribió: > Three