Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-03-29 Thread Warin
On 30/03/19 11:13, Nick Bolten wrote: I like the idea of addressing the area-ness of steps! Thanks for taking the initiative on this. I have a couple questions and ideas that are hopefully helpful. # curb (kerb) lines What would you think of tagging each step way as a kerb line? e.g., each

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-03-29 Thread Nick Bolten
I like the idea of addressing the area-ness of steps! Thanks for taking the initiative on this. I have a couple questions and ideas that are hopefully helpful. # curb (kerb) lines What would you think of tagging each step way as a kerb line? e.g., each step way could be barrier=kerb,

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians. -constant width stairs

2019-03-29 Thread Warin
On 30/03/19 10:43, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Saturday 30 March 2019, Warin wrote: However where the stair width is large, say 100s of meters, picking the centre becomes harder. That's an editor UI problem, not a data model problem. Most renders pay no attention to the width so the

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians. -constant width stairs

2019-03-29 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Saturday 30 March 2019, Warin wrote: > > However where the stair width is large, say 100s of meters, picking > the centre becomes harder. That's an editor UI problem, not a data model problem. > Most renders pay no attention to the width > so the rendering is poor. That's because almost all

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians. -constant width stairs

2019-03-29 Thread Warin
On 29/03/19 22:41, Christoph Hormann wrote: You should keep in mind that >90 percent of stairs that exist are simple constant width + strait step stairs that can perfectly accurately be mapped with a linear highway=steps and a width tag. If you approach the problem with how to extend this

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians. -Tags on the ways

2019-03-29 Thread Warin
On 29/03/19 20:12, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Fr., 29. März 2019 um 08:28 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com >: should the upper and lower ways be tagged with highway=footway so as to connect the two laterals? should the laterals be tagged

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians. Compatibility and barriers.

2019-03-29 Thread Warin
On 29/03/19 20:12, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Fr., 29. März 2019 um 08:28 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com >: On 29/03/19 17:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: can you explain how it relates to this proposal?

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians. -inconstancy across the step face.

2019-03-29 Thread Warin
On 30/03/19 05:16, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Friday 29 March 2019, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: * you should be aware that you can't uniquely define the shape of a two dimensional surface in three dimensions exclusively through the shape of its outline. You can do that in 2d (provided what you

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Runway Holding Positions

2019-03-29 Thread Steven Estes
Yup. Typo on my part. Digging some more, I have a better understanding of the tagging system. It doesn't look like holding_position:type is seeing a ton of use, and from what I can tell, it'd be more conventional and less onerous to drop "type" and go with holding_position=. I can document

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Runway Holding Positions

2019-03-29 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 2:14 PM Steven Estes wrote: > Sorry, I was confused. It looks the tag format would be > aeroway=holding_position:type=runway. > I think you have a typo here, in practice this would be two separate key/value tags: aeroway=holding_position and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Runway Holding Positions

2019-03-29 Thread Steven Estes
Sorry, I was confused. It looks the tag format would be aeroway=holding_position:type=runway. As found here... https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/holding_position%3Atype So, the water is a bit muddy for me. I can use aeroway=holding_position:type, but if there would be a reason to prefer a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Runway Holding Positions

2019-03-29 Thread Steven Estes
I posted my plan to the discussion page. TOGA points out that :runway, :intermediate, and :ILS are already in use (about 1000 uses total). Given this, would folks still recommend holding_position=runway, or would holding_position:runway be more appropriate? Thanks much. On Fri, Mar 29, 2019

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-03-29 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 29 March 2019, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > * you should be aware that you can't uniquely define the shape of a > > two dimensional surface in three dimensions exclusively through the > > shape of its outline. You can do that in 2d (provided what you > > have has a defined outline)

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Runway Holding Positions

2019-03-29 Thread Paul Johnson
Flightgear uses this for world generation. On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 12:47 Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > "Inclusion of these markings will allow applications to warn the pilot > prior to entering the > runway safety area without permission from air traffic control. " > > I am pretty sure that OSM is

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 29. März 2019 um 12:43 Uhr schrieb Christoph Hormann : > > * you should be aware that you can't uniquely define the shape of a two > dimensional surface in three dimensions exclusively through the shape > of its outline. You can do that in 2d (provided what you have has a > defined

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-03-29 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 29 March 2019, Warin wrote: > Hi, > > This one has been sitting for a long while! Still not certain about > some aspects of it. > > See what you make of it. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Area-steps First agreement with Martin that you need to decide if you

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I believe the highway=steps running over steps that are also mapped as an area, should be flagged in some way to facilitate their omission in rendering. E.g. has_area_representation=yes (or something more concise). Or they could be added to the area relations with a special role, e.g. "graph".

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 29. März 2019 um 08:28 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 29/03/19 17:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > can you explain how it relates to this proposal? > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Area > > > That proposal is very broad , it defines implicit

Re: [Tagging] Intermittently unprotected cycle track

2019-03-29 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Thanks everyone for the comments! althio wrote: > My preference would be to keep the geometry, map it as a continuous > highway=cycleway. > For the bits without divider, I don't like protected=no however. > I would go with no additional tagging, and more geometry (as you said: > crossings and

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-03-29 Thread Warin
On 29/03/19 18:51, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Mar 29, 2019, 8:26 AM by 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 29/03/19 17:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 29. Mar 2019, at 07:05, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: This one has

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-03-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Mar 29, 2019, 8:26 AM by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > On 29/03/19 17:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >> On 29. Mar 2019, at 07:05, Warin <>> 61sundow...@gmail.com >> >> >wrote: >> >> >>> This one has been sitting for a

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-03-29 Thread Warin
On 29/03/19 17:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 29. Mar 2019, at 07:05, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: This one has been sitting for a long while! Still not certain about some aspects of it. See what you make of it.

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Mar 2019, at 07:05, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This one has been sitting for a long while! Still not certain about some > aspects of it. > > See what you make of it. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Area-steps > > >

[Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-03-29 Thread Warin
Hi, This one has been sitting for a long while! Still not certain about some aspects of it. See what you make of it. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Area-steps Discussion here for preference. ___ Tagging mailing list