Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Andreas Lattmann
>the example has little to do with wheelchairs, a paraplegic, >a blind person, a patient could just as easily go for a walk I understand that I did not explain the situation well. I have seen that recently there have been activities that rent 4x4 wheelchairs at the beginning of the journey.

[Tagging] product of a landuse=vineyard

2019-06-19 Thread marc marc
Hello, a contributor on talk-fr would like to provide more information about a vineyard. The question that arises is the tag to link the vineyard to the wine. Let's avoid a site relation, it was quickly very complicated given the cross-links between many actors. I'm thinking about a tag like

Re: [Tagging] product of a landuse=vineyard

2019-06-19 Thread marc marc
Le 19.06.19 à 17:50, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > Am Mi., 19. Juni 2019 um 16:48 Uhr schrieb marc marc : >> The question that arises is the tag to link the vineyard to the wine. >> I'm thinking about a tag like for:product=* set on a landuse=vineyard > > Can you explain what you mean

Re: [Tagging] product of a landuse=vineyard

2019-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 19. Juni 2019 um 16:48 Uhr schrieb marc marc < marc_marc_...@hotmail.com>: > Hello, > > a contributor on talk-fr would like to provide more information > about a vineyard. > The question that arises is the tag to link the vineyard to the wine. > Let's avoid a site relation, it was quickly

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:26 AM Mark Wagner wrote: > After learning that the trail from the Old Faithful viewing area to > Castle Geyser isn't considered wheelchair-accessible, I've given up on > the idea that wheelchair-accessibility is something that mere mortals > are capable of determining.

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 19 giu 2019, alle ore 10:24, Mateusz Konieczny > ha scritto: > > I feel that toll tag is better as it is part of road structure. for me a ferry is not part of the road structure. The term „toll“ applies to usage fees for roads, bridges and tunnels (I think, I

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Evan Derickson
Also FWIW, Washington State Ferries are considered part of the state highway system. For example: https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=47.17.080 "Fare" is more common than "toll" here ( https://www.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/fares/) but I don't recall ever hearing "fee" in the context of a

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Peter Elderson
Electric wheelchairs and the like (NL "scootmobiel)" are very common in Nederland, simple wheelchairs on a route are rarely seen these days and if so, they are pushed. Sports variants are around, they would not be defeated by a slow slope. A regulare kerb is no problem, besides, almost all

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Warin
On 19/06/19 18:24, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Is there some reason to prefer one of this two keys for tagging whatever ferry is a paid one? What do the cross channel ferries have for UK to France? Ha. They don't have a tag on them to indicate that payment is required. Not done on UK to Spain

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I asked my wife (native American English speaker) how she would describe a ferry that wasn't free. She thought of paying a fare first, for foot ferries, but when pressed suggested that "Toll ferry" was better than something with "fee" Searching online, I'm finding results for both "toll ferry"

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 18 giu 2019, alle ore 18:43, Markus ha > scritto: > > Are these signed wheelchair routes? If so, i would create a type=route + > route=wheelchair relation. actually these are hiking routes, which are also advertised as suitable for wheelchairs, they are not

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 19 giu 2019, alle ore 13:08, Martin Koppenhoefer > ha scritto: > > The term „toll“ applies to usage fees for roads, bridges and tunnels (I > think, I am not a native speaker though), it doesn’t seem right for a ferry. I just noticed the wiki has exactly the

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Topographe Fou
For me, if none of those tags would already exist, I would say that toll is an infrastructure and shall be put where the toll is  (booths, gates, automatic systems...) whereas fee is an attribute which denote that this amenity/road/ferry is not free to use.But as of today both are used, so I

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 19 giu 2019, alle ore 10:22, Mark Wagner ha > scritto: > > To my untrained eye, it's nearly perfect: > four meters wide, quality asphalt paving, no cross slope, and > effectively flat. But apparently that "effectively" isn't good enough: > an elevation gain of

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-06-19 13:49, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I asked my wife (native American English speaker) how she would > describe a ferry that wasn't free. She thought of paying a fare first, > for foot ferries, but when pressed suggested that "Toll ferry" was > better than something with "fee" > >

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I've just checked 3 here in Australia - 2 car & 1 foot only. All 3 websites quote their "fares", but the 2 car ferries also make reference to "fees"! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Feature Name)

2019-06-19 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 19.06.19 à 22:17, Mhairi O'Hara a écrit : > Hello Tagging Mailing List, imho you request too many comment in one email, the thread 'll soon become unmanageable > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:staff_count:doctors >

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Feature Name)

2019-06-19 Thread Mhairi O'Hara
Hello Tagging Mailing List, We would like to bring your attention and comments on the proposal for the staff_count:doctors and staff_count:nurses tags, which helps identify the number of doctors and nurses at a given health facility [1][2]. The operational_status tag, which has been proposed

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Feature Name)

2019-06-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Hi Mhairi Couple of questions & comments for you thanks. On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 06:22, Mhairi O'Hara wrote: > > We would like to bring your attention and comments on the proposal for the > staff_count:doctors and staff_count:nurses tags, which helps identify the > number of doctors and nurses

Re: [Tagging] refugee camp

2019-06-19 Thread Jan S
I think that we basically have to distinguish between two types of migrant or refugee camps. On the one hand there are established camps that have developed an urban structure, with shops, services etc. People often live in these camps over long periods of time (in case of the Palestinians even

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Warin
The Oxford Dictionary says Toll : A charge payable to use a bridge or road. Fee : A payment made to a professional person or to a professional or public body in exchange for advice or services. I would go with fee, keep tolls for roads + bridges.

Re: [Tagging] refugee camp

2019-06-19 Thread Violaine_Do
I wanted to point out also a few questions or thoughts : i am not sure it is ok (or pretty sure it is dangerous) to tag houses or group of houses with refugee=yes because it is quite localised and could be a sensitive information. Then I am not a big fan of

Re: [Tagging] refugee camp

2019-06-19 Thread Warin
It is a land use, residential .. at least on a temporary basis. possibly landuse=residential, residential=migrants? This avoids the over used amenity key. Most renders will render it unidentified from other residential area and HOT can use their own rendering to identify it. On 20/06/19

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Feature Name)

2019-06-19 Thread Warin
On 20/06/19 08:55, marc marc wrote: Hello, Le 19.06.19 à 22:17, Mhairi O'Hara a écrit : Hello Tagging Mailing List, imho you request too many comment in one email, the thread 'll soon become unmanageable +1 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:staff_count:doctors

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Feature Name)

2019-06-19 Thread Violaine_Do
In the main wiki page referencing those tag propals, Global Healthsites Mapping Project indicates the use of electricity tag which is a proposal for now. It seems interesting for me to consider also : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:electricity for those who would have this time.

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Warin
On 19/06/19 21:21, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 18 giu 2019, alle ore 18:43, Markus ha scritto: Are these signed wheelchair routes? If so, i would create a type=route + route=wheelchair relation. actually these are hiking routes, which are also advertised as

Re: [Tagging] refugee camp

2019-06-19 Thread Violaine_Do
Yes, I would prefer that too... Let's see what others think.. On 19/06/2019 14:18, Warin wrote: It is a land use, residential .. at least on a temporary basis. possibly landuse=residential, residential=migrants? This avoids the over used amenity key. Most renders will render it unidentified

Re: [Tagging] refugee camp boundaries [was:Re: refugee camp]

2019-06-19 Thread Violaine_Do
Hi, Thks Marc, I also like boundary=refugee_camp and camp_level=* with 1 for camp boundary, 2 for first division such as zone, 3 for second division such as sector, and 4 for 3rd division such as bloc. Or can we start from 0 there, would make more sense camp_level=1 for first admin division.

Re: [Tagging] product of a landuse=vineyard

2019-06-19 Thread Warin
On 20/06/19 03:44, marc marc wrote: Le 19.06.19 à 17:50, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : Am Mi., 19. Juni 2019 um 16:48 Uhr schrieb marc marc : The question that arises is the tag to link the vineyard to the wine. I'm thinking about a tag like for:product=* set on a landuse=vineyard

[Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Is there some reason to prefer one of this two keys for tagging whatever ferry is a paid one? I feel that toll tag is better as it is part of road structure. For recreational cruises fee may fit better but tagging it as route=ferry is tagging for renderer anyway. As far as popularity in data

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:57:25 -0700 Nick Bolten wrote: > > IMO wheelchair=yes means accessible for most basic wheelchairs. > > Yes, but it's something that is frequently difficult to estimate. After learning that the trail from the Old Faithful viewing area to Castle Geyser isn't considered