On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 7:44 AM, David Bannon
wrote:
> Marc, do you find the English speakers here anything less than
> supporting ? What about use of expressions or references to popular
> culture, does that make it harder do you think ?
>
No, I have no problems with the English speaking commu
On Wed, 2015-03-18 at 07:27 +0100, Marc Gemis wrote:
> - language barrier, please don't forget that not everybody is capable
> to discuss in English. The Belgian mailing list suggest to discuss in
> English (to avoid the French-Dutch-German problem), but we had
> complaints that this limits the pa
I've noticed that when the voting opens, people post about the proposal on
national mailing lists and fora. I guess several people then take a look
for the first time.
regards
m.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 7:29 AM, David Bannon
wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 23:16 -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> ..
On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 23:16 -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
..
>
> And amazing how many people vote, compared to those that take part in
> the discussion.
Indeed. I find that strange. I'd never vote on something I did not have
an opinion on. And, as you lot know, if I have an opinion, I share it
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 7:17 AM, David Bannon
wrote:
> I'd suggest a large percentage of mappers are not aware of this list,
> or, if aware, do not see it as relevant to them and do not subscribe.
>
> I mapped for many years before subscribing.
>
+1
but also:
- most mappers are still busy with
On Wed, 2015-03-18 at 05:58 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote:
> Can we copy some of this: for other vehicles than
> mtb: http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/4WD_Trail_Rating?
>
Indeed, I spent a bit of time driving in their neighbour, Utah, national
Parks. From memory, some tracks there were graded, similar ?
I'd suggest a large percentage of mappers are not aware of this list,
or, if aware, do not see it as relevant to them and do not subscribe.
I mapped for many years before subscribing.
David
On Wed, 2015-03-18 at 06:08 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote:
> It is amazing to see how few people participat
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Jan van Bekkum
wrote:
> It is amazing to see how few people participate in this discussion and vote
> compared to the number of mappers.
And amazing how many people vote, compared to those that take part in
the discussion.
___
It is amazing to see how few people participate in this discussion and vote
compared to the number of mappers.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:01 AM Kotya Karapetyan
wrote:
> Hi Jan,
>
> Your rule would mean that with 7/3 would be a rejection while 8/7 an
> approval.
> I suggest to not only bring the
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> A separate debate is how to increase voting participation. making pending
> votes more visible in the editing tools could help.
Just some idea:
Translate the proposal in German, French, Spanish and Russian, ... (the
largest communities ou
Can we copy some of this: for other vehicles than mtb:
http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/4WD_Trail_Rating?
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 6:55 AM David Bannon
wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 16:39 -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
>
> > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:mtb:scale
>
> > At grade 6, it's a li
On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 16:39 -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:mtb:scale
> At grade 6, it's a list of things including a drop of over 2m.
> It's fairly well fleshed out.
>
True, but the other downhill scales, 0-5, have no measurables except
gradient.
>
If we
In celebration of:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/3D-mapland
I offer to the tagging discussion:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Quickly_Marking_Utility_Wires
A proposal for quickly marking large areas with utility pole style.
To be resolved are which streets within an "ar
Hi Jan,
Your rule would mean that with 7/3 would be a rejection while 8/7 an
approval.
I suggest to not only bring the logic back but also address this issue.
I agree that it changes the rules, but why not try to improve them?
Cheers,
Kotya
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Jan van Bekkum
wrot
On 17 March 2015 at 23:04, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
> Although OSM-carto is not supposed to be consumed by end-users
This is not correct.
The purposes of the osm-carto style can be found here:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CARTOGRAPHY.md
-- Matthijs
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> I also don't think there is a procedure to change the proposal voting
> system and how votes are counted. 8 votes in favor of a change seem too
> few, and besides this, IMHO this is not something we should vote on the
> tagging mailing
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:53 PM, David Bannon
wrote:
> Incidentally, what exactly are we measuring with
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:mtb:scale
At grade 6, it's a list of things including a drop of over 2m.
It's fairly well fleshed out.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:53 PM, David Bannon
Consider that every major map provider does this (Japanese train
lines, and sometimes icons like that stylized katakana "te" for post
offices). Also highway shields. Although OSM-carto is not supposed to
be consumed by end-users, it often is; moreover it could be serve as
an example on how to imple
>
> I meant geographically too vague, as we're talking about navigating
> something in roughly the same dimensions, weight and steering dynamics as a
> PSV or a HGV in many cases. It's way faster, safer and easier to plan it
> so you can reach it going forward than it is having to back up for it,
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:07 PM, John F. Eldredge
wrote:
> Are there any rendering packages that can be set to render private
> objects for only a preset list of operator tag values? So, if an
> association of recreational vehicle owners has waste disposal stations only
> for registered users,
Not sure what you mean by “the software” but the Renderer’s designers choose
what is displayed by the Renderer. The standard OSM rendering of the OSM
database shows objects that are marked as access=private as well as access=yes.
As mentioned below only Public objects should be added to th
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 6:11 AM, John Willis wrote:
>
> This would be beneficial to all countries, especially of we want the maps
> to be used by the people who live there - we already argue that the local
> language should be used, even in places like Japan where almost all signs
> on the road [s
What I mean is, does the software allow you to specify that only objects
with access permitting the general public, or access=private with only
specified values of the operator tag, be rendered?
--
John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do th
On Mon, 2015-03-16 at 23:22 -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> road_usable=car;4x4;mtb
> Tag what's there: measure something. Don't tag an interpretation.
Bryce, please tell us how it should be done then. Don't just sit there
saying "computer says no". A drovers dog can tell this capability
Not sure what you mean by “Private Objects”, anything in the DB is capable of
being displayed, depending on whether the Renderer wants to. Nothing is
Private in OSM.
Jonathan
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Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2015 20
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:04 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
>> As a tagged property of a mapped place (e.g. campground, store, fuel
>>> station), without a specific position.
>>>
>>
>> Probably not as this is almost certainly too vague.
>>
>
> T
Yep, count me as +1
David
On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 15:04 +0100, Kotya Karapetyan wrote:
> Dear all,
>
>
> I think we deviated from the original question quite a bit. The point
> was that the current number of votes proposed in the wiki for
> accepted/rejected decision was self-contradicting. Even
Does the default rendering on the slippy map on OSM's main page show
private objects? If it does, then there is a loss of privacy. If it
doesn't, then there is a loss of feedback to mappers.
--
John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Bryce Nesbitt
> wrote:
>
>> +1 on "*...8 or more **unanimous approval votes or 10 or more total
>> votes with more than 74 % approval...**".*
>>
>
> This is a ridiculous low number when there are +2.000.000 a
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> +1 on "*...8 or more **unanimous approval votes or 10 or more total votes
> with more than 74 % approval...**".*
>
This is a ridiculous low number when there are +2.000.000 accounts and
+3300 active mappers yesterday.
But I understand that
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:04 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> As a tagged property of a mapped place (e.g. campground, store, fuel
>> station), without a specific position.
>>
>
> Probably not as this is almost certainly too vague.
>
There are already hundreds of those, mostly in New Zealand, that seem
+1 on "*...8 or more **unanimous approval votes or 10 or more total votes
with more than 74 % approval...**".*
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2015-03-17 15:04 GMT+01:00 Kotya Karapetyan :
> Dear all,
>
> I think we deviated from the original question quite a bit. The point was
> that the current number of votes proposed in the wiki for accepted/rejected
> decision was self-contradicting. Even if there may be different opinions on
>
On 17/03/2015 16:16, Malcolm Herring wrote:
On 17/03/2015 13:19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
their tagging scheme is somehow a parallel universe,
Not parallel, but in some cases complimentary. For 95% of objects there
are no overlaps with standard OSM objects. It is those 5% of cases that
do ov
On 17/03/2015 16:06, Brad Neuhauser wrote:
Is there something I'm missing?
No, you have spotted the fact that (as always!) that the documentation
is unfinished. I had done it on this page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap/INT-1_Cross_Reference but
I need to add notes/links on th
I would like to stick to my original proposal. It brings the logic back,
but doesn't change the rules.
*"enough support" is 8 approval votes on a total of 14 votes or less and a
majority approval otherwise.*
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:07 PM Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Am 17.03.2015 um
> We always recommend that all natural and cultural features are tagged as
> per OSM Wiki & only add Seamark tags where there is a non-coincident
> definition and the nautical definition is of special navigational
> importance.
>
> Locks & their gates do not fall into that category & so we do not
>
On 17/03/2015 13:19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
their tagging scheme is somehow a parallel universe,
Not parallel, but in some cases complimentary. For 95% of objects there
are no overlaps with standard OSM objects. It is those 5% of cases that
do overlap that people notice & hence assume tha
> Am 17.03.2015 um 15:04 schrieb Kotya Karapetyan :
>
> I don't think there is a procedure to vote on such proposals, so please just
> give it +1 here if you agree. We change it when we have 8+ "plus ones" if
> there are no significant objections to this change.
> Once again, please note: we
+1
On Mar 17, 2015, at 7:04 AM, Kotya Karapetyan wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I think we deviated from the original question quite a bit. The point was
> that the current number of votes proposed in the wiki for accepted/rejected
> decision was self-contradicting. Even if there may be different opin
+1
Jonathan
http://bigfatfrog67.me
From: Kotya Karapetyan
Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2015 14:04
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Dear all,
I think we deviated from the original question quite a bit. The point was that
the current number of votes proposed in
Dear all,
I think we deviated from the original question quite a bit. The point was
that the current number of votes proposed in the wiki for accepted/rejected
decision was self-contradicting. Even if there may be different opinions on
that, the very discussion shows that the situation is not clea
"No stomach for a new subkey to highway= then ? Perhaps something
like road_usable=car;4x4;mtb"
We went around and around with a key called trafficability a few months
ago. Yep, it's a word. Look it up and you will find: "
*the condition of soil or terrain with regard to its being traveled
over,
> Am 17.03.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Richard Z. :
>
> Actually in some cases I am wondering if the OpenSeaMap tags
> are really usefull where other tags exist
+1, this has been a problem since the beginning of OpenSeaMap, their tagging
scheme is somehow a parallel universe, inviting to add red
> On Mar 17, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> That said, I wonder what Andy's opposition to rendering the colour tag on the
> Transport layer is...
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On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 08:50:48AM -0500, Brad Neuhauser wrote:
> >
> >
> > For boat navigation purposes this should be crosslinked:
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap/Gates
> >
>
> Isn't it the other way around? That is, the people who tagged
> seagate:category:gate=lock (24 obje
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> The problem with frequency=XXX.XXX MHz is that many people known only the
> channels (e.g "9").
> And it's not just frequency, it's encoding (GMRS/CB/etc)
>
Well, AM/FM/USB/LSB/CW... a CB with FM capability and a tuner that'll wind
up into
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/03/2015 7:57 PM, Steve Doerr wrote:
>
>> On 12/03/2015 05:49, Warin wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/03/2015 4:06 AM, Sam Dyck wrote:
>>>
In Canada, privately licensed frequencies, not CB
>>>
>>> Humm Why call it a 'channel
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Shawn K. Quinn
wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 20:14 -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:21 PM, johnw wrote:
> > In certain countries (such as the one I am in) the thick black
> > line has a single purpose - private train line
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Michael Patrick
wrote:
>
> Near Kathmandu, there's a series of tags relating to surveys of quake
>> status of buildings. Would someone be interested in helping working out a
>> proper tag scheme, and proposing it to whatever groups are doing this data
>> collecti
> Near Kathmandu, there's a series of tags relating to surveys of quake
> status of buildings. Would someone be interested in helping working out a
> proper tag scheme, and proposing it to whatever groups are doing this data
> collection?
>
> The intent is great, the execution... um...
>
The execu
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