Re: [Tagging] Clothes subtags (was "Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3" and before that "shop=fashion")

[Dave Swarthout]

I think before we can agree on this particular subtagging scenario we must
resolve whether to use "sells" or "sales" as the action verb. I'm all in
favor of using some sort of hierarchical structure to fine-tune the shop
tag as Thilo suggests but as you can see from Taginfo, the confusion exists
already and will only get worse down the road if it's not resolved.

As a native speaker of American English, clothes:sales=yes makes sense. It
does not _necessarily_ imply a special price or promotion but it's
ambiguous. The verb sells makes it clearer and unambiguous.

My 2 cents

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Thilo Haug  wrote:

> I don't only refer to clothes shops,
> but to shops in general :
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop_subtags
>
> I don't think it's useful to discuss every single shop type from scratch
> if there's a couple of tags which MIGHT apply to most of the shops.
> We'll then see if they will be used. And if certain shops need extra tags.
> Kinda standardization, easier to handle for any tool referring to OSM.
>
>
> Am 03.09.2017 um 13:43 schrieb Andy Townsend:
> > On 02/09/2017 18:19, Thilo Haug wrote:
> >> Please consider there might be more useful subtags for shops, like :
> >>
> >> shop=clothes
> >> clothes:type=fashion/boutique/work/sport
> >> clothes:for=woman/men/children
> >> clothes:repair=yes
> >> clothes:rental=no
> >> shoes:sales=yes
> >>
> >> the "for" key is used here :
> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:social_facility#Whom_
> is_served_by_the_facility
> >>
> >> sales, rental, repair is used here :
> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle
> >
> > By all means map clothes shops with extra detail, although no-one does
> > it like that.  "shop=clothes" has 180k examples, "clothes:for" 1 and
> > "clothes:rental" 1.  "clothes:type", "clothes:repair", "shoes:sales"
> > and even "shoes:sells" all get "nul points" from the taginfo jury.
> > "clothes" as a subtag is however widely used:
> >
> > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/clothes (11k uses)
> >
> > Full range of combinations:
> >
> > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=clothes#combinations
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Andy
> >
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Re: [Tagging] English grammar and back seat drivers Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Warin]

Shop assistants// SELL shoes over a SALES counter.

They do not "sales shoes over a a sales counter".

It is English .. and has peculiarities.

For the OSM tagging .. use sells not sales, sells makes 'English' sense 
in that context.


On 04-Sep-17 02:46 AM, Thilo Haug wrote:


Why don't they call it a sale counter, then ?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/shop_subtags


Am 03.09.2017 um 14:42 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:



sent from a phone

On 3. Sep 2017, at 09:46, Thilo Haug > wrote:



"sells" is a verb (the action of doing something),
while "sales" is a noun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun



actually sales is the plural of the noun "sale". Why would you use 
the plural in this context? Especially as it typically means "a 
period during which a shop or dealer sells goods at reduced prices."


I agree that the word "sells" is better  for use as a tag, a verb is 
ok for a property, a plural noun less so, and even less as it's 
highly ambiguous in this case.


cheers,
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[Tagging] Tagging data where position is not yet known

[ralph.aytoun]

Hi all,

I am looking for comments and advice regarding this.

I am working with a group of local mappers in Sierra Leone, Africa, under the 
name WAMM (West Africa Motorbike Mappers). They are trying to find and identify 
all the towns, villages, hamlets in Sierra Leone and have completed one whole 
District (Kailahun) and are well into their second District (Kenema). At each 
community they take a GPS reading to fix where they are (lat and long supplied) 
and then ask prominent locals (chief/headman/etc) for the name, historical 
name, any alternate names. They have also supplied other important data for the 
community such as the existence of a market and which days it is open, also the 
existence of a water pump. Unfortunately, while they have confirmed the 
existence of the latter two they have not identified their position.

The names of towns and villages were originally added in 2014 first by rwst 
with source=GNS and gns_ufi=* and in 2014 by Pierzen_import adding Sierra Leone 
place nodes and Unocha pcodes.

WAMM have supplied a spreadsheet with the data collected and want to know if it 
can be added to OpenStreetMap. There are a lot of new names of smaller 
communities and confirmation of the names that the locals call their 
communities. This is not a problem and can be checked against the existing data 
already on OpenStreetMap.

I want to know how you feel about adding the market and water_pump data that 
does not yet exist on the map. In Africa the existence of a market and/or a 
water_pump is not only important information for the locals, it is important 
information for any medical or humanitarian teams carrying out any assessment 
or intervention in the area. I wish to add this data to the map near the name 
of the community with a fixme stating that the existence has been confirmed but 
the location is not yet known. The fact that it is there will be spotted by 
subsequent mappers and hopefully they will be able to move it to it’s correct 
location.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Regards

Ralph (RAytoun)


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop subtags

[Thilo Haug]

Yes, I think that shops in general are obsolete.
Plastic parts are made at home by 3d printer,
repair isn't done as Amazon doesn't offer it
and if I need a drill hammer it doesn't help to RENT it in the next
doityouself shop
when I didn't learn any craft anyway as everyone just got a PC job nowadays.
- sarcasm off -


Am 03.09.2017 um 15:51 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 3. Sep 2017, at 11:29, Thilo Haug  > wrote:
>
>> IMHO most shops will offer
>> *sales,rental,parts,repair,*
>> and different *type*s of the items they sell.
>
>
> where I live, almost no shop offers "repair", maybe they did 50-100
> years ago. Still it's good to know 
>
> "rental" is not a typical service of shops, unless we deal with
> specialized stuff. Ever rent a piece of Salami from the butcher?
> Socks? Stationery? A flattening iron? Vehicles, some machinery, sports
> equipment and wedding dresses aside, the world of stuff to rent is
> quite small. 
>
> Also "parts" for most things are incredibly hard to get, ever tried to
> get a replacement for some broken plastic part of something? Usually
> your only options are making them yourself or order them for the same
> price than the whole thing (depends on the thing, obviously).
>
> Anyway, it's good to have generic systematics, even if we don't need
> them most of the time, and especially the rare things are interesting
> to find. ;-)
>
> I would avoid the word "sales", either create a property with the verb
> "sells" or use the singular "sale", or maybe "vending" which is
> already in use. You don't propose "rentals" or "repairs", so "sales"
> is odd. What about leasing and hire purchase?
>
>
> cheers,
> Martin 
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Re: [Tagging] shop=boutique WAS Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Thilo Haug]

How would you then avoid "multivalues" ?

For example for brand=*
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brand

If a shop sells several brands (Honda;Yamaha;Suzuki;BMW;KTM),
how would you tag this ?

In the clothes example, we could certainly split the characteristics up in

clothes:for=men/women/children
clothes:material=fur/leather/fabric/denim
clothes:type=fashion/sports/work/wedding

But there might still be multiple values for each,
which clearly mean a listing to me if separated by semicolon.


Am 03.09.2017 um 14:32 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>
> sent from a phone
>
>> On 2. Sep 2017, at 10:58, Rafael Avila Coya  wrote:
>>
>> So if you have a shop that is "fashion" and women only, you could tag it as
>>
>> shop=clothes
>> clothes=women;fashion
>
> this isn't semantically clear, it could just as well mean clothes for women 
> and fashion. What about clothes=bridal;fur, does this mean bridal clothes in 
> fur? ;-)
> There are many different kinds of things and properties in the clothes tag, 
> which would require multivalues and lead to ambiguities if we'd continue this 
> "system", because you don't know if it's "AND" or "OR".
>  it's unclear what property "clothes" is describing, e.g. "women", "men", 
> "babies", "kids" are orthogonal to "fur", "leather", "denim", are orthogonal 
> to "underwear", "hats" are orthogonal to "sports", "wedding", "workwear", are 
> orthogonal to "traditional", "fashion" - while others are a mix ("bridal" or 
> "lingerie" imply women and exclude men, kids, babies).
>
> It's also inconsistent to map shoe shops with their own top level tag, but 
> hats shops or wedding shops not. I surely wouldn't lump specialized shops 
> like a bridal shop together with generic clothing shops and distinguish them 
> only in a subtag, that's absurd, because nobody will want to find the bridal 
> shop in his search results when s/he wants to buy clothes - unless it's for 
> your own wedding, which typically is very infrequently, and for which you'd 
> likely will search specifically.
>
>
> cheers,
> Martin 
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Re: [Tagging] English grammar and back seat drivers Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Thilo Haug]

Why don't they call it a sale counter, then ?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/shop_subtags


Am 03.09.2017 um 14:42 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 3. Sep 2017, at 09:46, Thilo Haug  > wrote:
>
>> "sells" is a verb (the action of doing something),
>> while "sales" is a noun
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun
>
>
> actually sales is the plural of the noun "sale". Why would you use the
> plural in this context? Especially as it typically means "a period
> during which a shop or dealer sells goods at reduced prices."
>
> I agree that the word "sells" is better  for use as a tag, a verb is
> ok for a property, a plural noun less so, and even less as it's highly
> ambiguous in this case.
>
> cheers,
> Martin 
>
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Clothes subtags (was "Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3" and before that "shop=fashion")

[Thilo Haug]

I don't only refer to clothes shops,
but to shops in general :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop_subtags

I don't think it's useful to discuss every single shop type from scratch
if there's a couple of tags which MIGHT apply to most of the shops.
We'll then see if they will be used. And if certain shops need extra tags.
Kinda standardization, easier to handle for any tool referring to OSM.


Am 03.09.2017 um 13:43 schrieb Andy Townsend:
> On 02/09/2017 18:19, Thilo Haug wrote:
>> Please consider there might be more useful subtags for shops, like :
>>
>> shop=clothes
>> clothes:type=fashion/boutique/work/sport
>> clothes:for=woman/men/children
>> clothes:repair=yes
>> clothes:rental=no
>> shoes:sales=yes
>>
>> the "for" key is used here :
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:social_facility#Whom_is_served_by_the_facility
>>
>> sales, rental, repair is used here :
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle
>
> By all means map clothes shops with extra detail, although no-one does
> it like that.  "shop=clothes" has 180k examples, "clothes:for" 1 and
> "clothes:rental" 1.  "clothes:type", "clothes:repair", "shoes:sales"
> and even "shoes:sells" all get "nul points" from the taginfo jury. 
> "clothes" as a subtag is however widely used:
>
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/clothes (11k uses)
>
> Full range of combinations:
>
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=clothes#combinations
>
> Best Regards
> Andy
>
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Re: [Tagging] English grammar and back seat drivers Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[ralph.aytoun]

A better use would be the word retail which covers the selling of goods to the 
public (as in the logistics chain from Manufacturer to Distributor to 
Wholesaler to Retailer to consumer)

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Subject: [Tagging] English grammar and back seat drivers Re: Tagging Digest,Vol 
96, Issue 3



sent from a phone

On 3. Sep 2017, at 09:46, Thilo Haug  wrote:
"sells" is a verb (the action of doing something),
while "sales" is a noun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun


actually sales is the plural of the noun "sale". Why would you use the plural 
in this context? Especially as it typically means "a period during which a shop 
or dealer sells goods at reduced prices."

I agree that the word "sells" is better  for use as a tag, a verb is ok for a 
property, a plural noun less so, and even less as it's highly ambiguous in this 
case.

cheers,
Martin 



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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop subtags

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 3. Sep 2017, at 11:29, Thilo Haug  wrote:
> 
> IMHO most shops will offer
> sales,rental,parts,repair,
> and different types of the items they sell.


where I live, almost no shop offers "repair", maybe they did 50-100 years ago. 
Still it's good to know 

"rental" is not a typical service of shops, unless we deal with specialized 
stuff. Ever rent a piece of Salami from the butcher? Socks? Stationery? A 
flattening iron? Vehicles, some machinery, sports equipment and wedding dresses 
aside, the world of stuff to rent is quite small. 

Also "parts" for most things are incredibly hard to get, ever tried to get a 
replacement for some broken plastic part of something? Usually your only 
options are making them yourself or order them for the same price than the 
whole thing (depends on the thing, obviously).

Anyway, it's good to have generic systematics, even if we don't need them most 
of the time, and especially the rare things are interesting to find. ;-)

I would avoid the word "sales", either create a property with the verb "sells" 
or use the singular "sale", or maybe "vending" which is already in use. You 
don't propose "rentals" or "repairs", so "sales" is odd. What about leasing and 
hire purchase?


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[Tagging] English grammar and back seat drivers Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 3. Sep 2017, at 09:46, Thilo Haug  wrote:
> 
> "sells" is a verb (the action of doing something),
> while "sales" is a noun
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun


actually sales is the plural of the noun "sale". Why would you use the plural 
in this context? Especially as it typically means "a period during which a shop 
or dealer sells goods at reduced prices."

I agree that the word "sells" is better  for use as a tag, a verb is ok for a 
property, a plural noun less so, and even less as it's highly ambiguous in this 
case.

cheers,
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[Tagging] shop=boutique WAS Re: Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 2. Sep 2017, at 10:58, Rafael Avila Coya  wrote:
> 
> So if you have a shop that is "fashion" and women only, you could tag it as
> 
> shop=clothes
> clothes=women;fashion


this isn't semantically clear, it could just as well mean clothes for women and 
fashion. What about clothes=bridal;fur, does this mean bridal clothes in fur? 
;-)
There are many different kinds of things and properties in the clothes tag, 
which would require multivalues and lead to ambiguities if we'd continue this 
"system", because you don't know if it's "AND" or "OR".
 it's unclear what property "clothes" is describing, e.g. "women", "men", 
"babies", "kids" are orthogonal to "fur", "leather", "denim", are orthogonal to 
"underwear", "hats" are orthogonal to "sports", "wedding", "workwear", are 
orthogonal to "traditional", "fashion" - while others are a mix ("bridal" or 
"lingerie" imply women and exclude men, kids, babies).

It's also inconsistent to map shoe shops with their own top level tag, but hats 
shops or wedding shops not. I surely wouldn't lump specialized shops like a 
bridal shop together with generic clothing shops and distinguish them only in a 
subtag, that's absurd, because nobody will want to find the bridal shop in his 
search results when s/he wants to buy clothes - unless it's for your own 
wedding, which typically is very infrequently, and for which you'd likely will 
search specifically.


cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 2. Sep 2017, at 10:58, Rafael Avila Coya  wrote:
> 
> As for shop=boutique, it's crystal clear that it's making more harm than 
> good. You only have to do an overpass over different cities in francophone 
> Africa and you will see the mess...


just because a tag isn't used as it should in a certain area of the world 
doesn't mean the tag doesn't work. You could say (or have said) the same for 
highway=track
Looking at areas with relatively recent/ still kind of immature mapping (few 
active on the ground mappers, etc.) also doesn't prove anything. Once a problem 
is detected you can work to solve it, e.g. write to the individual mappers from 
your overpass query results above, improve the french wiki: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:shop%3Dboutique (btw: it doesn't 
explicitly say it is limited to clothes, neither in French nor in English), etc.

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[Tagging] Clothes subtags (was "Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3" and before that "shop=fashion")

[Andy Townsend]

On 02/09/2017 18:19, Thilo Haug wrote:

Please consider there might be more useful subtags for shops, like :

shop=clothes
clothes:type=fashion/boutique/work/sport
clothes:for=woman/men/children
clothes:repair=yes
clothes:rental=no
shoes:sales=yes

the "for" key is used here :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:social_facility#Whom_is_served_by_the_facility
sales, rental, repair is used here :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle


By all means map clothes shops with extra detail, although no-one does 
it like that.  "shop=clothes" has 180k examples, "clothes:for" 1 and 
"clothes:rental" 1.  "clothes:type", "clothes:repair", "shoes:sales" and 
even "shoes:sells" all get "nul points" from the taginfo jury.  
"clothes" as a subtag is however widely used:


https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/clothes (11k uses)

Full range of combinations:

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=clothes#combinations

Best Regards
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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop subtags

[Thilo Haug]

Hi all,

as of the current discussion about different clothes shops,
I proposed subtags for any type of shop :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop_subtags

IMHO most shops will offer
*sales,rental,parts,repair,*
and different *type*s of the items they sell.

Please comment.

Cheers,
Thilo

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Betreff:Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique / subtags
Datum:  Sun, 3 Sep 2017 10:03:04 +0200
Von:Thilo Haug 
An: tagging@openstreetmap.org



shop=car, car_repair, car_parts
is a good example, if you compare it with
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle
see taginfo for combinations :
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/motorcycle%3Arepair#combinations

You're more flexible to tag shops that offer different services
(such as also repairing other types of vehicles in this example)
if you just use the "main" purpose of the shop for the shop=* tag
and then the appropriate subkeys.
 

Am 01.09.2017 um 20:31 schrieb Marc Gemis:
> Can we apply this criteria/formula/checklist  to the following group
> of tags and see whether the have to be changed into subtags ?
>
> shop=clothes, boutique
> shop=supermarket, deli, convenience
> man_made/power=tower, mast, pole, flag_pole
> building=residential, house, semi-detached, apartment, villa
> shop=car, car_repair, car_parts, tire
>
> * is having a wikipedia page in 10 or more languages a criteria ? apparently 
> no
> * is having a large number of objects tagged like that in OSM a
> criteria ? apparently no
> * is knowing how many people have searched for each of those
> individual items a criteria ? Don't know, wouldn't know how we can
> count that.
>
> This is a serious question. I want to understand why people think the
> about differences are ok, but clothes and boutique not.
>
> regards
>
> m.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Daniel Koć  wrote:
>> W dniu 01.09.2017 o 17:51, Marc Gemis pisze:
>>
>>> So no, this group is not really representative for the community as a
>>> whole.
>>
>> But what is representative? And what about standardization? I would be happy
>> if we find a way to communicate things with wider community, but this is
>> what we have now. As I said - one can always disagree and use "any tag you
>> like" rule and that's OK for me. Standardization does not mean anybody
>> enforcing, just creating guidelines - and this is what we try to do.
>>
>> --
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>> Muzalyev]
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Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique / subtags

[Thilo Haug]

shop=car, car_repair, car_parts
is a good example, if you compare it with
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle
see taginfo for combinations :
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/motorcycle%3Arepair#combinations

You're more flexible to tag shops that offer different services
(such as also repairing other types of vehicles in this example)
if you just use the "main" purpose of the shop for the shop=* tag
and then the appropriate subkeys.
 

Am 01.09.2017 um 20:31 schrieb Marc Gemis:
> Can we apply this criteria/formula/checklist  to the following group
> of tags and see whether the have to be changed into subtags ?
>
> shop=clothes, boutique
> shop=supermarket, deli, convenience
> man_made/power=tower, mast, pole, flag_pole
> building=residential, house, semi-detached, apartment, villa
> shop=car, car_repair, car_parts, tire
>
> * is having a wikipedia page in 10 or more languages a criteria ? apparently 
> no
> * is having a large number of objects tagged like that in OSM a
> criteria ? apparently no
> * is knowing how many people have searched for each of those
> individual items a criteria ? Don't know, wouldn't know how we can
> count that.
>
> This is a serious question. I want to understand why people think the
> about differences are ok, but clothes and boutique not.
>
> regards
>
> m.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Daniel Koć  wrote:
>> W dniu 01.09.2017 o 17:51, Marc Gemis pisze:
>>
>>> So no, this group is not really representative for the community as a
>>> whole.
>>
>> But what is representative? And what about standardization? I would be happy
>> if we find a way to communicate things with wider community, but this is
>> what we have now. As I said - one can always disagree and use "any tag you
>> like" rule and that's OK for me. Standardization does not mean anybody
>> enforcing, just creating guidelines - and this is what we try to do.
>>
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>> Muzalyev]
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3

[Thilo Haug]

"sells" is a verb (the action of doing something),
while "sales" is a noun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun

British & World English
"The exchange of a commodity for money; the action of selling something"
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sale

North American English
"The exchange of a commodity for money; the action of selling something"
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/sale

Example sentences :

 ‘The overall annual quantity of our beef sales to Egypt when
translated into live cattle equivalent amounts to 450,000 animals.’
‘Conflicting evidence suggests that swapping music either increases
or reduces CD *sales*.’
‘Imagined relationships are a part of the TV shopping channel
experience that increases *sales*.’
‘Over a period of time, the increase in *sales* starts to slow down
and this is known as the maturity stage.’
‘A survey released by the CBI has revealed that traders nationally
are facing a slower festive period with *sales* not as high as last year.’
‘Larger music companies say they'll reduce prices on the coolest CDs
in an effort to boost *sales* and reduce piracy.’
‘All divisions reported increased *sales* and either reduced losses
or improved earnings.’
‘Combine quick load times with great products as well as great
prices and your *sales* will start to sky rocket.’
‘If it is priced wisely, Octavia *sales* next year should increase
even further.’
‘While Nan Fung achieved solid *sales* by cutting prices, market
sources said other developers were unlikely to follow suit.’
‘Profits in Spain and Poland were reduced by price cuts, and *sales*
also slipped in Belgium and Ukraine.’
‘But when prices fall, *sales* generally increase, offsetting some
of the decrease in revenue.’
‘Margiotta said figures for the current year would show increases
and that *sales* at its new shop in Dundas Street were above target.’
‘The company says that on an annualised basis it will reduce *sales*
and marketing costs by £15 million a year.’
‘Marks and Spencer reported its first increase in quarterly clothing
*sales* for nearly three years with sales in Irish shops still on the rise.’
‘However, expectations are extremely high for the year ahead such
that three of four repair shops are expecting *sales* to increase.’
‘The shop targets to achieve *sales* worth Rs.23 crores during the
current financial year.’
‘It seems that this year's photography *sales* have started pushing
prices into areas once traditionally associated with paintings or
sculpture.’
‘The fall of the dollar has further weakened the company because the
value of its US *sales* were reduced when converted back to euro.’
‘The fear is that corporate profits have been boosted by cost
cutting, not increased *sales* and prices from a revival of the economy.’



Am 03.09.2017 um 00:53 schrieb Warin:
> On 03-Sep-17 03:19 AM, Thilo Haug wrote:
>> Please consider there might be more useful subtags for shops, like :
>>
>> shoes:sales=yes
>
> No, not 'sales'
>
> SELLS.
>
> 'Sales' are short term events where prices are (probably) lowered -
> usually at the end of season.
>  Do not use 'sales' as a tag.
>
> 'Sells' says something is available for purchase.
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