Re: [Tagging] Designated spots for dogs to wait

2019-08-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 9:38 AM John Willis via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > I still dislike this, as it defines parking for a horse or camel or > something found in the equestrian=* tag. > Why? Hitch just means fasten to. So it's a post that you can fasten something to. You ca

Re: [Tagging] Designated spots for dogs to wait

2019-08-20 Thread John Willis via Tagging
Javbw > On Aug 21, 2019, at 12:15 AM, Jmapb via Tagging > wrote: > > hitching_post I still dislike this, as it defines parking for a horse or camel or something found in the equestrian=* tag. I really like lead_hook - as it implies: - it's a hook for a leashed pet - it's a hook for a ro

Re: [Tagging] Designated spots for dogs to wait

2019-08-20 Thread Anton Klim
TagInfo actually shows 29 counts of amenity=dog_parking. I’ve only seen designated spots for dogs. Leaving a cat there might not be safe for either animal. Ant > 20 авг. 2019 г., в 16:15, Jmapb via Tagging > написал(а): > >> On 8/20/2019 4:57 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote: >> On 20/8/19 6:24 pm

Re: [Tagging] Designated spots for dogs to wait

2019-08-20 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 8/20/2019 4:57 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 20/8/19 6:24 pm, John Willis via Tagging wrote:      So let's standardize on a tag: amenity=hitching_post hitching_post=dog ? Interestingly, one of the items they sell is a green 30x30cm marker to go on the sidewalk in front of the pole - lite

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Aug 2019, at 16:53, Paul Allen wrote: > > Most farmland is fenced off, for one reason > or another (to stop livestock wandering off or to stop idiots wandering in). it is country (or even region) specific, in Germany no, in (central) Italy fences are common, but I

Re: [Tagging] Garmin waypoints and routes (was: "Roles of route members" and before that "Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking")

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Elderson
Andy Townsend : > >> On 19/08/2019 19:04, Peter Elderson wrote: >> >> Ok, I accept I just don't know how it's done. So how is that done? How do I >> tell my Garmin to guide me along, say, the Limes trail through the >> Netherlands? > Essentially, you'd just look at the screen and follow that!

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-20 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 15:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > From what I have learnt through OpenStreetMap and discussions about other > countries like the US (trespassing), the UK, the situation in Italy, it > seems this is rather an exception than the standard though. > As with everything in r

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Aug 2019, at 12:48, Paul Allen wrote: > > Other > countries may do it differently, but here public footpaths are marked and > even local walking > clubs don't use routes which are not public footpaths unless the landowner > has given > explicit permission (in which

Re: [Tagging] Garmin waypoints and routes (was: "Roles of route members" and before that "Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking")

2019-08-20 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:42 AM Andy Townsend wrote: > Where Garmin on-device routing is really useful is for when you need to get > to somewhere but don't have an on-screen route to follow - for example if the > weather's turned and you need to abort a previously planned route and get > anothe

[Tagging] Garmin waypoints and routes (was: "Roles of route members" and before that "Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking")

2019-08-20 Thread Andy Townsend
On 19/08/2019 19:04, Peter Elderson wrote: Ok, I accept I just don't know how it's done. So how is that done? How do I tell my Garmin to guide me along, say, the Limes trail through the Netherlands? Essentially, you'd just look at the screen and follow that!  I tend to use waypoints for an

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-20 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 08:50, s8evq wrote: > > > On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:34:20 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > A map with copyright permitting OSM to make use of its data. There are > > several walks near me which appear on maps published by the county > council or tourist board. > > Copyright

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-20 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 11:17, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: [editors and/or mappers] I think some separate a way and insert a new roundabout .. the new > roundabout does not go into the relations. > This is the sort of problem that iD could cause, a year or two ago. You could delete or d

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Elderson
Richard Fairhurst : > Kenny: > > I do want editors minimally to observe the 'don't break the route' > > principle. About 80% of the broken-route problem can be solved > > simply by, "when splitting a way, both the pieces become members > > of any route relations in which the original way appeared,

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-20 Thread Warin
On 20/08/19 18:38, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Kevin Kenny wrote: There's also something to be said for using the ugly editors to prove the concept, because at this point, we don't yet know how to do everything, much less how to make it novice-friendly! The exception is simple linear routes, and Sa

Re: [Tagging] JOSM is the A10 of editors ? (was: Roles of route members)

2019-08-20 Thread Warin
On 20/08/19 19:14, Andrew Davidson wrote: Thank you gentlemen, that has made my day. Maybe JOSM is the A10 of editors. It's old, it gets no respect, and it's as ugly as sin. Yet it still does the job better than everything else. Not sure what type of planes the other editors are. For train

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-20 Thread Peter Elderson
That is exactly what I described: you have a route i.e. a chain of ways to follow. But OsmAnd cannot do that! It can access the route and show it on the map, but it does not use it for navigation. So you have to first turn it into a string of points (gpx), losing the connection to the map and the w

[Tagging] JOSM is the A10 of editors ? (was: Roles of route members)

2019-08-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
Thank you gentlemen, that has made my day. Maybe JOSM is the A10 of editors. It's old, it gets no respect, and it's as ugly as sin. Yet it still does the job better than everything else. Not sure what type of planes the other editors are. On 20/8/19 1:55 am, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Mon, Aug 19

Re: [Tagging] Designated spots for dogs to wait

2019-08-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 20/8/19 6:24 pm, John Willis via Tagging wrote:  So let's standardize on a tag: amenity=hitching_post hitching_post=dog ? Interestingly, one of the items they sell is a green 30x30cm marker to go on the sidewalk in front of the pole - literally a sign for the designated spot for dog

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Kevin Kenny wrote: > There's also something to be said for using the ugly editors to > prove the concept, because at this point, we don't yet know how > to do everything, much less how to make it novice-friendly! The > exception is simple linear routes, and Sarah or I can give you > algorithms

Re: [Tagging] Designated spots for dogs to wait

2019-08-20 Thread John Willis via Tagging
> > > On 6/18/2019 10:14 AM, Paul Allen wrote: >> >> So let's standardize on a tag: Thanks for working on this. Here are two pictures I took for a common type of lead hook I see here in Japan. I can upload a better one to the wiki when there is a page for this tag. https://imgur.com/galler

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-20 Thread Warin
On 20/08/19 17:48, s8evq wrote: On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:34:20 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: A map with copyright permitting OSM to make use of its data. There are several walks near me which appear on maps published by the county council or tourist board. Copyright does not permit me to make use

Re: [Tagging] Transclusion (was: Merging Tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes)

2019-08-20 Thread s8evq
Thanks for the help. It wasn't clear to me before. I now moved the page to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Tagging_scheme_for_hiking_and_foot_route_relations. On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 12:45:04 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 12:17, s8evq wrote: > > > > > Perhaps goin

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-20 Thread s8evq
On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:34:20 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > A map with copyright permitting OSM to make use of its data. There are > several walks near > me which appear on maps published by the county council or tourist board. > Copyright does > not permit me to make use of those maps. However

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-20 Thread s8evq
I would like to briefly add my opinion on the sorting of relations question: To be clear: my experience is mostly with short roundtrip hiking/walking relations in Flanders (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Local_Walking_Routes_Flanders#Local_Walking_Routes_in_Flanders). I

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

2019-08-20 Thread s8evq
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 01:00:47 +0200, Peter Elderson wrote: > The osm route IS the route, and it should be usable as is, without redoing > the routing. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but couldn't you do that in OsmAnd? Take the GPX from a hiking route and import in Osmand. Set your destin