Re: [Tagging] "not:brand" to mark a shop that isn't part of a chain?

2019-09-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
"noname=yes" is used when a feature like a road doesn't have a name. The tag :not:name=XXX" is used when mappers might think that the name is actually "XXX" but it's not. Usually the "name=" field is already set with the correct name: 96% of objects with "not:name" have a "name=*" - see https://ta

Re: [Tagging] "not:brand" to mark a shop that isn't part of a chain?

2019-09-13 Thread Francesco Ansanelli
Hello Joseph, I have to say that I'm not a fan of the tag, IMHO negation is something that will make harder to do searches... If the burger king is not the food chain keep the brand empty and write a note or do a Wikipedia page about it, probably an historical activity deserve it. About the no na

[Tagging] Amenity=music_school back on Map Features

2019-09-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I've added "amenity=music_school" back to the Map Features list, since it looks like there is consensus that this is different than amenity=college and there is not other tag for this feature at this time. And I edited it's wiki page to mention isced:level as a possible combination. - Joseph On 9

[Tagging] "not:brand" to mark a shop that isn't part of a chain?

2019-09-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
There's a new-ish page about the prefix "not:" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:not: It's been used with "not:name" to show that a street isn't named something else (e.g. for streets that had the wrong name on official OS maps in Britain): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:not:name

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree, we shouldn’t create relations that combine 7 separate artworks into one, or all the ways with the same street name, or all the peaks and ridges in a mountain_range, just so that a wikidata= tag can be added to the relation. Relations are harder to maintain, and in the cases above are not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Where does it stop - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-13 Thread Warin
On 12/09/19 21:52, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Do we really want to go into that effort of trying to actively represent what products are sold and under what conditions? Do we even have a remote hope of achieving a level of completeness and timeliness that makes this usable? Where does it stop?

Re: [Tagging] Proposed features / landuse=open_defecation

2019-09-13 Thread Warin
On 13/09/19 12:13, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Thanks for working on this, Bob, Check out the page "Proposal_process" and in particular Proposal_process#Creating_a_proposal_page to help improve the formatting and make sure you've included important information. Please clarify exactly what should be

Re: [Tagging] building typology vs usage

2019-09-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
13 Sep 2019, 21:37 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > On 13/09/2019 16:14, Wolfgang Zenker wrote: > > >> >> That would be kind of redundant, wouldn't it? We already use other tagsfor >> the current function of a building, >> > I'm repeating much of my of my previous comment, but no, the schema

Re: [Tagging] Proposed features / landuse=open_defecation

2019-09-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
open_defecation=yes seems a better tag for all situations where it is a significant phenomenon, while landuse=open_defecation would be ok for areas that are either designated for open defecation or are mainly used for it. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging ma

Re: [Tagging] building typology vs usage

2019-09-13 Thread Wolfgang Zenker
* Dave F via Tagging [190913 21:37]: > On 13/09/2019 16:14, Wolfgang Zenker wrote: >> That would be kind of redundant, wouldn't it? We already use other tags >> for the current function of a building, > I'm repeating much of my of my previous comment, but no, the schema > which hijacked building

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
13 Sep 2019, 20:28 by a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 13:41, Janko Mihelić wrote: > >> sri, 11. ruj 2019. u 14:34 Joseph Eisenberg >> napisao je: >> >>> >>> Doesn't this mean that it would be better to create separate Wikidata >>> items for each separate OSM feature, rath

Re: [Tagging] building typology vs usage

2019-09-13 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 13/09/2019 16:14, Wolfgang Zenker wrote: That would be kind of redundant, wouldn't it? We already use other tags for the current function of a building, I'm repeating much of my of my previous comment, but no, the schema which hijacked building=* to represent the original historical function

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 09:43, Janko Mihelić wrote: > Currently, the second most numerous wikidata tag in OSM > is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2961670, an item that > describes all the roman roads in historic Gaul in France. All > those ways, close to 500 of them, have wikidata=Q296167. Can we

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Paul Allen
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 19:47, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 13:58, Paul Allen wrote: > > > if there is a property shared by all members of a group then it MUST be > marked on > > the group ALONE and not also on individual members. > > This is not the rule on Wikidata. > But I was

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 22:24, Janko Mihelić wrote: > Art or memorial installations like Stolperstein[1], which > are distributed, but have one wikidata item. We already cater for this, using sub-tags; say: project:wikidata=Q314003 or: memorial:wikidata=Q26703203 (see https://www.w

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 19:48, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 19:43, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: >> It gets tricky where wikidata has a >> single object for things like >> lake and surrounding wetlands > > > Then the wikidata item is for the wetlands, which happen to have a lake >

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 17:02, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Entries about shop brands (used in name suggestion index) got deleted. That was over-zealous anti-spam action. Many such deletions were challenged and reverted; any others should have been. In such cases, including third-party identifiers

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 13:58, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 13:35, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> looking at the example, it seems here is such an issue with > the "canonization status"=catholic saint. Why do the individual > saints not have the property, but the group has it?

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 13:41, Janko Mihelić wrote: > sri, 11. ruj 2019. u 14:34 Joseph Eisenberg > napisao je: >> >> Doesn't this mean that it would be better to create separate Wikidata >> items for each separate OSM feature, rather than creating a new OSM >> tag? > You have examples like tag

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Mark Wagner
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 18:29:04 +0200 Janko Mihelić wrote: > pet, 13. ruj 2019. u 17:31 Paul Allen napisao je: > > > On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 09:45, Janko Mihelić > > wrote: > > > > The correct way to group them is with a relation. If we don't have > > a suitable type of relation then propose one

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Paul Allen
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 17:31, Janko Mihelić wrote: My idea was to expand the general "part:wikidata=*" to more specific tags. > For example, give all peaks and ridges of a mountain the > mountain:wikidata=* tag, instead of part:wikidata=*. Part is just the > first, nondescript step. If we decide

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Janko Mihelić
pet, 13. ruj 2019. u 17:31 Paul Allen napisao je: > On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 09:45, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > The correct way to group them is with a relation. If we don't have a > suitable type of relation then propose one. > My idea was to expand the general "part:wikidata=*" to more specific

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 09:45, Janko Mihelić wrote: One problem with the current system is that if you click one of those > dwarfs in OSM, and see it's linked to an object in wikidata, you have no > way of seeing if that is the whole wikidata object, or just a part of that > object, unless you dow

Re: [Tagging] building typology vs usage

2019-09-13 Thread Wolfgang Zenker
* Joseph Eisenberg [190913 16:45]: > I certainly recall reading about this in the wiki, but I agree that in > common use, the building=* tag appears to be used mostly for the > current function, rather than specifying a certain form. That would be kind of redundant, wouldn't it? We already use ot

Re: [Tagging] building typology vs usage

2019-09-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I certainly recall reading about this in the wiki, but I agree that in common use, the building=* tag appears to be used mostly for the current function, rather than specifying a certain form. The most common values of building= are: 0) yes (non-specific) 1) =house - both a structural form and a

Re: [Tagging] building typology vs usage

2019-09-13 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:20 AM Dave F via Tagging wrote: > On 11/09/2019 14:50, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > I said that if it was a church and looks like a church then tag the > > building as a church even if it now functions as something else. > > Buildings don't have a 'type'. There's no 'class'

Re: [Tagging] building typology vs usage

2019-09-13 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 11/09/2019 14:50, Paul Allen wrote: I said that if it was a church and looks like a church then tag the building as a church even if it now functions as something else. Buildings don't have a 'type'. There's no 'class', no standard architectural style or size. A quick image search proves

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-13 Thread Paul Allen
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 11:04, Antoine Jaury via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > marc marc wrote: > > "well in this case, this shop isn't a bulk_purchase=yes shop > bulk_purchase=* in osm mean that you can BUY item in bulk > not that the shop has a stock of product that he packs for y

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-13 Thread Antoine Jaury via Tagging
marc marc wrote: "well in this case, this shop isn't a bulk_purchase=yes shop bulk_purchase=* in osm mean that you can BUY item in bulk not that the shop has a stock of product that he packs for you on site. bulk_purchase informs how the customer can have the product and not in what form the stoc

Re: [Tagging] Proposed features / landuse=open_defecation

2019-09-13 Thread Bob Kerr via Tagging
I have reworked the page as per your instructions, please let me know if it still needs more clarification. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dopen_defecation Cheers Bob > On 13 Sep 2019, at 03:13, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Thanks for working on this, Bob, > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Sep 2019, at 13:52, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Do we even have a remote hope of achieving a > level of completeness and timeliness that makes this usable? if your apprehension comes true and we became the default go-to business directory, then definitely yes (but we