Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
How objects tagged now with amenity=lifeboat_station should be tagged after this proposal passes? It deprecates some tags without info about proposed replacements about any of them, and some are actually used. Also "The area of the Rescue base should render with the same pink colour as

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Dec 20, 2020, 00:01 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > On 20/12/20 6:45 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> Is there some good use for sport=shooting_range? >> >> Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting + leisure=pitch? >> >> This is a request to review this edit >>

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Dec 20, 2020, 01:18 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:58, <> 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> > wrote: > >> it had the word bump in it. >> > > Yes, it had the word "bump" in it.  "Bump" is an English word.  There > are traffic-calming devices with the word "bump" in their name. > > The

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Yves via Tagging
I don't think they can be categorized with the ones designed to make noise. It looks like they are intended to work as bumps, but cheaper and easier to install. Yves Le 19 décembre 2020 23:47:29 GMT+01:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : >On 20/12/20 9:24 am, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Military=Coast-Guard & Rescue=Marine_Rescue

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Following discussions, voting has been postponed until the military=bases proposal is decided, so this has been returned to Under Way only. Thanks Graeme On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 13:26, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 12:21, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> >>

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 13:50, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The text of the proposal is still confusing. > Sorry about that - maybe it should have been broken into 2 separate things? Is the tag emergency=rescue_stations being proposed? > Currently the Emergency page has the heading "Other

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The text of the proposal is still confusing. Is the tag emergency=rescue_stations being proposed? What are the tags which are proposed and what will be the definition of each tag? — Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 7:33 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 12:18, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rescue_Stations > Moved to voting. If you still have any comments or concerns, please raise them for discussion, rather than just voting "No, because ..."! Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Military=Coast-Guard & Rescue=Marine_Rescue

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 12:21, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Marine_rescue > Voting is now open. If you still have any comments or concern, please raise them for discussion, rather than just voting "No, because ..."! Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Dhillocky   there is traffic calming device often used in Czech republic   https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zpomalovací_práh   Zpomalovací polštáře, =  Deceleration pillows     >Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:18 PM -06:00

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 09:44, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > for a price: > You're not wrong! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 09:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I have seen some shooting=range but the tag does not make too much sense > for tagging a shooting range facility. > Yes, it does actually, because shooters go to a range to shoot. We have sport=shooting and the physical nature of the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:58, <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote: > it had the word bump in it. > Yes, it had the word "bump" in it. "Bump" is an English word. There are traffic-calming devices with the word "bump" in their name. The proposal talks of "bumbs." "Bumb" is not an English word. I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 09:32, Paul Allen wrote: > It calls them speed bumps. > Yep, it seems like these are just a variety of speed bump https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming & =bump. The existing definition is more or less OK in that it includes Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging
it had the word bump in it.   >Saturday, December 19, 2020 5:56 PM -06:00 from Paul Allen >: >  >On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:45, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging < >tagging@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Ddynamic_bump >  >It's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:45, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Ddynamic_bump > It's not a "hillocky." The proposal doesn't contain the word "bumb." It's not a rumble strip. Was there

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On 20. Dec 2020, at 00:35, Paul Allen wrote: > > one swallow doesn't make a summer but it makes a great BJ. > > > you must be talking of ice cream? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_%26_Jerry%27s > You got it. It's not the first

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Dec 2020, at 00:44, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > These guys in Texas will let you drive their tank around and shoot things, > for a price: > > https://www.oxhuntingranch.com/activities/hunting-shooting/machine-gun-shooting/ they actually mention “ mortars,

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Dec 2020, at 00:35, Paul Allen wrote: > > one swallow doesn't make a summer but it makes a great BJ. you must be talking of ice cream? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_%26_Jerry%27s___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Ddynamic_bump      ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
These guys in Texas will let you drive their tank around and shoot things, for a price: https://www.oxhuntingranch.com/activities/hunting-shooting/machine-gun-shooting/ On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 6:16 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:59, Jeremy

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Dec 2020, at 00:35, Paul Allen wrote: > >> one swallow does not make a summer. ;-) > > I don't see many sharing your viewpoint, either. :p https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/historic#values Cheers Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:31, <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote: > Round Circle Speed Humps > > Indeed. But you responded with that information to a post of mine which was solely about the word

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 22:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:44, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > > > (& I can already hear Paul saying just because it's old doesn't > necessarily make it historic! :-)) > > yes, but so far I didn’t read from anybody else that they would

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging
Round Circle Speed Humps >Saturday, December 19, 2020 5:29 PM -06:00 from Paul Allen >: >  >On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:19, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging < >tagging@openstreetmap.org > wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:19, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > https://streetsolutionsuk.co.uk/collections/speed-ramps/products/round-yellow-circle-speed-humps-50mm?variant=19772633645113 > > That didn't

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Dec 2020, at 00:02, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Another comment suggested =recreation_ground for the whole area (car parks, > buildings etc) with shooting=range for the actual area that bullets are > flying over. I have seen some shooting=range but the tag

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging
https://streetsolutionsuk.co.uk/collections/speed-ramps/products/round-yellow-circle-speed-humps-50mm?variant=19772633645113   >Saturday, December 19, 2020 3:33 PM -06:00 from Paul Allen >: >  >On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 18:25, Tomáš Hurýn < thur...@gmail.com > wrote: >> 

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:59, Jeremy Harris wrote: > > I think rifle-shooting was a component of a triathlon in a recent > Winter Olympic, too. if rifles are „ordnance“ my perplexity dissolves, I did not know the word ordnance and looking it up referred me to artillery. I

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 08:59, Jeremy Harris wrote: > > I think rifle-shooting was a component of a triathlon in a recent > Winter Olympic, too. > Winter Olympics has the Biathlon - cross-country skiing & very accurate shooting, while the Summer Olympics has several different shooting events

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Warin
On 20/12/20 6:45 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Is there some good use for sport=shooting_range? Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting + leisure=pitch? This is a request to review this edit

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 08:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > The leisure key is generally silly, because we assign these tags also to > sports facilities for professional sports people, but for shooting ranges > it seems even less appropriate to add them under leisure when the operator > is the

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Jeremy Harris
On 19/12/2020 22:46, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: is firing ordnance a leisure activity somewhere? Or a sport? leisure=range makes me think about golf driving ranges, but there’s already golf=driving_range for it. Certainly. Clay-pigeon shooting, for one subtype, as an example. I think

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:44, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > (& I can already hear Paul saying just because it's old doesn't necessarily > make it historic! :-)) yes, but so far I didn’t read from anybody else that they would share this particular concern, one swallow does

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
> > is firing ordnance a leisure activity somewhere? Or a sport? Hello, let me introduce to you the United States of America. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 22:45, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > https://roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/is-the-uk-ready-to-rumble/ > I am not convinced that article pertains to "hillockys." It is about rumble strips and does not show these things. Somebody else gave a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Warin
On 20/12/20 9:24 am, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: I've seen these in the US also, but I never knew what they were called.  I understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a car drives over them, as they don't slow you down in any appreciable way like a speed bump/hump. We

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-19 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
Historic or abandoned military features, or military ruins, are clearly not what this proposal is describing. On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 5:44 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 02:00, St Niklaas wrote: > >> >> Your text or proposal seems to be focused on modern times. >> > >

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:29, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > Perhaps simply leisure=range, as this would be generic to any type of > facility where one might fire projectiles or ordnance. is firing ordnance a leisure activity somewhere? Or a sport? leisure=range makes

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging
https://roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/is-the-uk-ready-to-rumble/ Saturday, December 19, 2020 3:43 PM -06:00 from Paul Allen :   On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 19:45, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging   >I wonder whatever there is even a British English name for that >(or is hillocky an UK name?)   As far as I

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 02:00, St Niklaas wrote: > > Your text or proposal seems to be focused on modern times. > Yes, that's right, as it's intended for current, active, military establishments only. Since every town (vesting) or fortress (fort) has its own barracks in the > past > Yes, but

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Hi, It's seems "speed bumps" is the way it's called : http://speedbumps.co.za/Our-Products/ https://www.dreamstime.com/speed-bumps-wenceslas-square-some-yellow-prague-rain-image104614297 https://www.ebay.co.uk/c/2293575914 speed humps here

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:27, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > I understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a car > drives over them, as they don't slow you down in any appreciable way like a > speed bump/hump. I thought they would make people drive

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
Perhaps simply leisure=range, as this would be generic to any type of facility where one might fire projectiles or ordnance. You could then extend that with something like range= to specify what is being fired, and/or the existing sport= key if it's considered a shooting sport. On Sat, Dec 19,

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 03:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > when the term is military „base“ I would guess it will always be intended > for more than a few weeks? Yes, that's right. Even if the label is „temporary“ it probably means years and not days? > Usually several months, at the very

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
I've seen these in the US also, but I never knew what they were called. I understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a car drives over them, as they don't slow you down in any appreciable way like a speed bump/hump. We already have a tag for "a traffic calming device that

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Dec 2020, at 21:35, Paul Allen wrote: > >> Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting + leisure=pitch? > > That's an improvement. Not ideal, because it's practised at a > range, not on a pitch. Just because we have other sports that > have been shoe-horned

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Dec 2020, at 22:53, Jeremy Harris wrote: > > traffic_calming=multi_bump ? or traffic_calming=mini_bumps ? when they come up with something smaller that could still be micro_bumps ;-) Cheers Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Jeremy Harris
On 19/12/2020 21:41, Paul Allen wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 19:45, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging I wonder whatever there is even a British English name for that (or is hillocky an UK name?) They might end up being called molehills or mounds. traffic_calming=multi_bump ? -- Cheers,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 19:45, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > > I wonder whatever there is even a British English name for that > (or is hillocky an UK name?) > As far as I can tell we don't use these in the UK. If we did, though, we wouldn't call them "hillocky" but we might call them

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 18:25, Tomáš Hurýn wrote: > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Dhillocky > Are the two mentions of "bumbs" meant to be "bumps" or are bumbs yet another undocumented calming device? -- Paul

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Alan Mackie
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020, 15:49 Brian M. Sperlongano, wrote: > I understand pitch to mean "a playing field" (as "pitch" is not often used > in US English -- we would say "soccer field" for example.). I don't know > if a shooting range is a pitch or not, but it definitely isn't a playing > field. >

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 20:49, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > I understand pitch to mean "a playing field" (as "pitch" is not often used > in US English -- we would say "soccer field" for example.). > Pitch and field are almost synonyms. A lot of overlap, some differences. > I don't know if

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
I understand pitch to mean "a playing field" (as "pitch" is not often used in US English -- we would say "soccer field" for example.). I don't know if a shooting range is a pitch or not, but it definitely isn't a playing field. On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 3:35 PM Paul Allen wrote: > On Sat, 19 Dec

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 19:47, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Is there some good use for sport=shooting_range? > Not in English as she is spoken. "Shooting range" is not a sport. "Shooting" is a sport. > > Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting +

[Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Is there some good use for sport=shooting_range? Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting + leisure=pitch? This is a request to review this edit https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Asport%3Dshooting_range=revision=2074293=125712 that ended creating

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Thanks for documenting this new value! I edited page in attempt to provide more specific definition (based on photos). To author of a proposal: feel free to revert my edit or change it or do something else with it I wonder whatever there is even a British English name for that (or is hillocky

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Tomáš Hurýn
Hi, I would like introduce traffic calming device not present in the list of devices. Definition: A traffic calming device with specific qualities https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ Tag:traffic_calming%3Dhillocky[1] Regards, Tomas Huryn [1]

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Dec 2020, at 02:02, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > As with most things OSM, this tag would really only apply to permanent / > long-term sites. "Temporary" locations "in the field" wouldn't be mapped or > tagged this way (plus, of course, the challenges of locating