On 27/09/2010 10:19, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Lennard wrote:
On 27-9-2010 10:16, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Landuse should be covered by land cover (and buildings) where said
cover exists. For example a landuse=retail area may be over half
amenity=parking areas.
ard?
And how would you decide which direction is which?
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On 23/09/2010 12:46, Richard Welty wrote:
furthermore, i would consider representing a building with unknown
outline with a node to be a bit iffy.
I realize this is going a bit OT, but since you brought it up - why do
you think that?
Ta
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On 21/09/2010 01:08, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2010/9/21 John Smith:
On 21 September 2010 09:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Yes, which tag would you suggest? They are similar to guard rails IMHO
Guard rails usually run parallel with the road, these barriers can be
used to block the road to
On 20/09/2010 19:27, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Hi,
I'm asking for comments to the "new" barrier types listed here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types
If you miss something, please report here so that we can extend the
proposal.
Spike/Teeth Barriers
http:
On 20/09/2010 08:27, Simone Saviolo wrote:
Mazes may be fun park attractions, historic constructions, decorative
elements, structures for relax and meditation, temporary puzzles... I
don't see them all fit in a single category. Maybe leisure=maze or
amenity=maze is generic enough.
+1
_
On 17/09/2010 15:57, Lennard wrote:
On 17-9-2010 16:28, Dave F. wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawall
There appears to be only 7 occurrences of sea wall so I'm wondering if a
different tag is being used, or maybe no-one's mapped them yet.
Has anybody mapped this type of barr
Hi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawall
There appears to be only 7 occurrences of sea wall so I'm wondering if a
different tag is being used, or maybe no-one's mapped them yet.
Has anybody mapped this type of barrier before?
Che
On 15/09/2010 21:53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
of course stop is also bad. traffic signals is bad as well.
Err... Why?
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I disagree with Nop for all the reasons discussed here.
Is there someone with more knowledge than me, run a bot to reverse his
changes?
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make a "cluster".
And why have you added the fixme= tag when you've already added a
denotation=?
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as a sub-tag if it's a popular
destination for tourists.
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esn't seem to be any pedestrian around
;-)
I think I'm with Martin here; especially since the right filter lane
crosses over it.
Seems downright dangerous. Is this a typical scenario?
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On 19/08/2010 22:01, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:06:57 +0100, Dave F. wrote:
It's also "poor form" to mis-use tags& therefore corrupt the map.
It's also poor form to be adversarial and abusive in every communication
you've had with me.
I'
the tag.
it's also extremely poor form to revert work
done by people who actually know the area,
It's also "poor form" to mis-use tags & therefore corrupt the map.
There appears to be clear consensus here that your using *=destination
incorrectly. Please stop doing t
of a way, not the
"primary" usage, whatever that means.
For instance, in the UK you could have highway=trunk. Motorized
vehicles, bicycles & pedestrians are all allowed to use that way. Even
though cars maybe the majority users, they *all* have equal rights to
use it.
Cheers
's a bike path is shown by posted signs, but there
are no markings on the pavement whatsoever.
richard
It's not a cycleway, as others already said
Oh dear, more options than answers.
Does someone have a website description, such as local authority or
cycling organizati
ed to, please
don't use it to try & fudge a description of a cycleway which already
has far to convoluted tagging system.
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buildings
like ground floor shops, upper floors offices and residences)
I thought the accepted way was to separate the different uses with a
semi-colon:
landuse=residential;commercial etc.
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Please, if you're going to attempt to insult me via private email, get
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s category are officially discouraged on the
official cyclemaps.
Officially by whom? please give examples.
Do you have a link to an on-line cyclemap?
Just because the map doesn't indicate it as a route, it doesn't mean it
can't
hed they're backwards
like you.
Paul,
Please stop posting half-baked self beliefs as facts.
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On 09/08/2010 20:07, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:08:20 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Dave F.
wrote:
On 08/08/2010 20:40, Paul Johnson wrote:
The way I've been handling this is to stretch the limits of the
bicycle=destination tag; if
be misunderstanding the usage of bicycle=destination
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle
down near the bottom.
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lance stations and emergency phones to use the
emergency key. Cool.
Emergency phones would be handy, since it's increasingly common in the US
for public pay telephones to disallow... 911 (emergency
services).
If true, I'm surprised. Which companies are doin
0"."
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Layer
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ping source but ...
Looks like Xan beat you to it:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder
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the road designated for bikes then it's
not a shoulder.
Take a look at this for relevant examples:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_lanes_and_bus.2Ftaxi_lanes
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;s a shoulder, but a good pedestrian
must walk against traffic and be prepared to get out of the way if
walking in the travel lane. So if anything they should be
footway=shoulder.
No!
You appear to be contradicting yourself. A shoulder is not designated
for foot use, even if the road is usable by pede
On 03/08/2010 14:18, Daniel Tremblay wrote:
For me, bicycle=yes means that it is safe for bicycle
That is incorrect. Safety is subjective...
or that bicycle is officialy allowed on that road.
This is the correct usage for bicycle=yes
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On 02/08/2010 10:46, John Smith wrote:
On 2 August 2010 19:39, Dave F. wrote:
This has nothing to do with weather conditions, but a stupid driver ignoring
signed warnings.
Perhaps not the best example of what Liz was thinking of, however this
is a better example:
http
h for closed:
http://tagstat.hypercube.telascience.org/search.php?query=closed
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On 01/08/2010 14:22, Steve Bennett wrote:
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Dave F. wrote:
Can I please ask that when replying to a previous message that they do it in
line so that they display in one thread.
Sorry, what do you mean, "in line"?
I may not be using the correct t
On 01/08/2010 03:55, John Smith wrote:
On 1 August 2010 12:11, Dave F. wrote:
To differentiate between different entities, such as, in this thread,
different uses of hospitals& ambulances can be clarified using sub rags -
it doesn't have to be done in the primary one.
People thin
On 31/07/2010 12:36, Liz wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010, Dave F. wrote:
In an emergency you don't give damn where that building is, just how
quickly the ambulance can get to you.
Emergency should be used for items that you need to find in an emergency.
sorry, mate I don't agree
I do ne
fire_station
Any problem finding a value within the wiki is more a problem of the
wiki than anything else.
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On 31/07/2010 12:50, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
Let's be more civil and polite with each other too.
I resent your accusations of me being uncivil & impolite.
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On 31/07/2010 12:25, John Smith wrote:
Actually it does, it splits things away from let's dump everything in
the amenity key space...
There's nothing wrong with that.
It doesn't cause a problem.
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On 31/07/2010 01:59, John Smith wrote:
On 31 July 2010 09:51, Dave F. wrote:
If it ain't broke...
This wouldn't have come up if everyone thought that, there is a lot of
inconsistencies in the current tags on the map features page.
It was you that bought it up!
& you'
ll service.
Again, If it ain't broke...
In an emergency you don't give damn where that building is, just how
quickly the ambulance can get to you.
Emergency should be used for items that you need to find in an emergency.
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Can I please ask that when replying to a previous message that they do
it in line so that they display in one thread.
Sorry to moan, but I really think it's important that these threads
On 31/07/2010 00:46, Stephen Hope wrote:
On 31 July 2010 09:29, Dave F. wrote:
I just don't see an ambulance/fire station as an emergency. I mean, if you
fall down and injure yourself you don't try& get to the station you 'phone
up& get an ambulance to come to y
On 30/07/2010 08:53, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
Most ambulance stations here usually aren't joined to a hospital,
patient transport is another matter but they usually aren't used for
emergencies. Some stations aren't even close to a hospital, like this
one near me, it's about 6km from the nearest
On 27/07/2010 00:28, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Dave F. wrote:
On 26/07/2010 13:35, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Dave F. wrote:
Layer is used purely as an aid to the renderer to distinguish where two
or
more ways *cross* each
s tags
to them at *every* way with layer=* is economical.
Oh & also many are still asleep on the other side of the world.
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On 26/07/2010 16:19, Richard Mann wrote:
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dave F. wrote:
So your saying to save the renders time, the data collectors have to waste
time adding new tags?
There was me thinking this was a project where we each did a bit for
mutual benefit.
Richard
I would
On 26/07/2010 14:07, Richard Mann wrote:
Dave F (et al),
Renderers draw roads (typically) by drawing a wide grey line on each
segment, a grey circle at each node, then a narrower (say) white line
on each segment, and a white circle at each node. All you see of the
grey is a thin line on each
On 26/07/2010 13:35, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Dave F. wrote:
Layer is used purely as an aid to the renderer to distinguish where two or
more ways *cross* each other:
Not quite purely - it gives nonredundant spatial information when a
bridge goes over another
;suppress end caps' please?
I see nothing wrong with the example you give
On my initial understanding I see layer_change as irrelevant.
Layer is used purely as an aid to the renderer to distinguish where two
or more ways *cross* each other:
http://wi
7;m not convinced about the use of tourist attraction for this (& other)
type of establishment.
Yes, it can be visited by tourists, but also by local individuals &
restaurateurs etc.
Irrelevant of where it is, it's still a shop & t
=small
These are adjectives & therefore subjective; "How small is your small
compared to my small. Is it bigger than my small?" etc,etc.
Also to me small doesn't fit too well with major/minor.
The reason I mentioned the official classifications is that they would
be verifiable
I'm no expert but wouldn't there be some official definition between sizes?
This is what I found on a quick search:
http://www.answers.com/topic/airport-classification
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> On 31 May 2010 18:04, Simone Saviolo wrote:
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>> Would you tag the Parthenon as religion=ancient_greek or something
>> like that? IMHO, the religion tag should only be used for what is
>> actively used for religious ceremonies.
>>
>
> The Parthenon isn't a good example,
John F. Eldredge wrote:
> A subway entrance is a descending staircase, usually in the middle of a
> sidewalk.
I think your both generalizing far too much. There are many types of
entrances to an underground (overground!) railway system.
> Coming from one direction, you encounter the steps.
subway_entrance)
>
Hi
Could you expand & clarify on what you mean by U-form & why you'd tag an
entrance with a wall?
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t; Ie. Other programs (mapgen.pl maperative maposmatic (to an extent)
> openmtbmap.org blogs about updates.)
>
> If it isnt, i could start listing them. (as the beginnings of a
> coprehensive map key).
>
> I need to make my own for my tourist maps (and eventual map book) anyway.
e correct place to make these kind of
decisions.
Am I incorrect in my understanding of the existing usage?
Your opinions welcomed.
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x27;landuse' cause so much
> aggravation and discussion?
Not wanting to hijack this thread onto another subject, but the general
problem is using adjectives (natural) instead of nouns (landuse) for
keys.Yes I'm aware landuse is partially a verb. Another example that
Cartinus wrote:
> On Thursday 08 April 2010 22:00:54 John Smith wrote:
>
>> From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beach
>>
>>
>>> "Beach areas should always meet with a natural=coastline way.
This is not the case. Many lakes have beaches, either natural or even
man made.
>>> Do not us
that
are set up to flag these tags but can't name them off the top of my head.
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Pieren wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Dave F. <mailto:dave...@madasafish.com>> wrote:
>
> If users are so incompetent at judging distances then maybe they
> should
> never hve picked up a GPS in the first place.
>
>
>
> Hey, guys,
Roy Wallace wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Dave F. wrote:
>
>> If users are so incompetent at judging distances then maybe they should
>> never hve picked up a GPS in the first place.
>>
>
> Or they should use est_width=1.5m + note="road lo
nt at judging distances then maybe they should
never hve picked up a GPS in the first place.
In theory, could the people who added ambiguous tags be emailed & asked
to suggest an alternative? I emphasize the word 'theory'.
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My opinion is that personal preferences like that shouldn't be part of
> the OSM database.
I agree with that, unfortunately it already exists where (going slightly
OT) adjectives are used as primary keys eg historical=*
Is this the Google Earth OpenStreetMap POI kml that Sam is r
ally nothing.
>
That's the pot calling the kettle black!
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r each tag with an area-equivalent
> (e.g. river vs. riverbank)
> 2) Gives users the option to use the way representation (for e.g.
> routing) or the area representation (for e.g. rendering), while also
> knowing that the two representations refer to the same ent
Roy Wallace wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Dave F. wrote:
>
>>> Is there really no tag needed to indicate to renderers that the width
>>> of the way is indicated by the multi-polygon rather than the way
>>> (centerline)?
>>>
>>
riverbank.
Post a link when you've completed it; I'd like to see the results.
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John Smith wrote:
> On 1 February 2010 02:34, Dave F. wrote:
>
>> The width=* tag doesn't fit when you have a gradual change in width as
>> you would do on a track.
>>
>
> I would have thought that was the best case for Richard's suggestion,
>
> tools.
The width=* tag doesn't fit when you have a gradual change in width as
you would do on a track.
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John Smith wrote:
> On 31 January 2010 22:57, Dave F. wrote:
>
>> Accuracy is the key point. How detailed a mapper wants to go depends on
>> time & patience.
>>
>
> At some point the level of mapping will out weigh the accuracy of
> those using the d
The riverbank indicates the varying width of the river
The waterway=river is used to show the direction of flow & for routing
purposes.
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oss the track at that point.
Accuracy is the key point. How detailed a mapper wants to go depends on
time & patience.
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pperiness part? For me, in
> Firefox, the zoom control doesn't work, but I hope to fix that.
Sorry. I wasn't very clear.
I was referring to other maps such as with google mash-ups. Your's works
well.
I get the same zoom problem in FF using the slide bar
ell. (From image to osm is lower right under
> > "Additional Information")
> >
> > See http://www.flickr.com/photos/44470...@n08/sets/.
> >
> > Adrian (osmapb1)
> >
>
> >> These look good.
>
> >> Has anyone created the opposite? A m
maps I find the
slipperiness is compromised.
I didn't realize many of the streets in Westbury were named after
horses, but with the white one up on the hill, it seems appropriate.
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Flickr work pretty well. (From image to osm is lower right under
> "Additional Information")
>
> See http://www.flickr.com/photos/44470...@n08/sets/.
>
> Adrian (osmapb1)
>
These look
Liz wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Ulf Lamping wrote:
>
>> d) I don't think it's a good idea to change a tag description two years
>> after it was documented, because the wording is "slightly" wrong for
>> some parts of the english speaking world. Because doing so is an
>> annoyance for anyone
Anthony wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Dave F. <mailto:dave...@madasafish.com>> wrote:
>
> OK, this could degenerate into a philosophical discussion,
>
>
> Yeah, I should have just kept my mouth shut.
>
>
> so to keep it slightly on taggin
Jonathan Bennett wrote:
> On 18/01/2010 16:03, Dave F. wrote:
>
>> A lump of coal is not energy
>>
>
> One A. Einstein would beg to differ.
Are you absolutely sure about that? Doesn't the speed of light enter
into the equation somewhere?
OK this was sent wi
Anthony wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Dave F. <mailto:dave...@madasafish.com>> wrote:
>
> To me power is energy. It's not a physical entity.
>
>
> That's just silly. Energy is a physical entity.
A lump of coal is not energy, just decomposed
John Smith wrote:
> 2010/1/18 Dave F. :
>
>> power=tower should be pylon=electricity
>> power=line should be cable=electricity
>>
>> Remember, we're meant to be mapping _physical_ entities & tagging them
>> as such.
>>
>
> Yes, bu
used by others - building=power_station.
To me power is energy. It's not a physical entity. Therefore it
shouldn't be used as a key.
& so to follow on I think:
power=tower should be pylon=electricity
power=line should be cable=electricity
Remember, we're meant to be mapping
Oh! you lot.
Get a room! :-*
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> No. The value of incline=* refers to "the direction of the way (the
> way direction being the direction in OSM)".
>
> Remember, ALL ways in OSM have a direction.
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'_steep' would allow to differentiate a little.
> Of course, what is steep and what is not is subjective - just like
> surface quality. I just don't want to loose any semantics compared to
> the highway=incline tags.
Isn't the up/down dependent on the direction of tr
the old route to historical reasons. How should it be
> tagged?
Personally, I'd delete it. Who needs to know about a redundant route?
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ven if a way, that you're allowed to cycle down, has those obstructions
you mention, it's still a cycleway.
You point out the obstructions by using additional tags such as width=,
surface=, barrier=, etc...
Question to all:
Is there a tag for 'sharp bend'?
There's one for ste
Richard Mann wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Andre Engels <mailto:andreeng...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Dave F. <mailto:dave...@madasafish.com>> wrote:
> >> In other words, whenever I see a path s
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> Have a good weekend, everyone :)
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Andre Engels wrote:
>>> That's what I want to say to _you_. Tag what you can actually see. And
>>> where I live, that usually does not include municipial regulations.
>>> Whether a path is meant for cyclists or just for pedestrians, is
>>> something I decide from the path and what's around it,
>>>
Liz wrote:
> because you can fall off trying to go around sharp corners, that's why
> where a sharp is a small radius bend
That doesn't prevent it from being a cycleway!
There's no such thing as a dangerous road, just incompetent users.
if there a sharp bend, then
Andre Engels wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Dave F. wrote:
>
>
>>> highway=cycleway only used for well-engineered & public/permanant
>>> cycle tracks (ie could you safely do 20kph on it)
>>>
>> ???
>> It's only a
Liz wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Dave F. wrote:
>
>>> a cycleway is a way which is free of bicycle obstructions and that is not
>>> implicit in the path at all.
>>>
>> I disagree. Where a cycleway crosses a vehicular road I would expect to
>&
Mike Harris wrote:
> Mike Harris
>
> Well, I'm always up for a challenge! But I'm talking about paths across
> fields with crops - ever tried biking through a maize (US: corn) field - or
> over a ploughed field - or through bracken - and after about 50 stiles even
> the keenest biker might get a
ay only if it's signed or documented as a cycleway.
Your logic is flawed:
"Cycle up a steep hill at 20kph? No? Oh, well, it can't be a cycleway
then can it"
If your assuming that cycleway are only like the paved ones that follow
the at the side roads then you're looking
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> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Dave F. <mailto:dave...@madasafish.com>> wrote:
> > Anthony wrote:
> >>
> >> Hmm, th
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