Re: [Tagging] How to tag entire group of rentable holiday cottages?

2020-12-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 23:55, Paul Allen wrote: > > 1) Holiday cottages are rarely building=cabin, they are mostly > building=house. > May depend on where you are? I know of a number of places that advertise cottages / cabins eg http://lyrebirdspringbrook.com/index.html One around the corner

Re: [Tagging] Definition of lake/pond as applied to stream/plunge pools

2020-12-22 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 01:49, Paul Allen wrote: > > I suggest that, when we get around to looking at pools, we consider > the possibility of adding other angling considerations > Carrying on from those, there are other named river features such as Bend & Reach, which we currently have no way of

Re: [Tagging] Changes to clarify the Hazards proposal during the vote

2020-12-14 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks Brian. As far as I am concerned, those changes are fine. Graeme On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 10:53, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > Hello, > > I recently received late feedback on the hazards proposal. Based on the > feedback, I felt it was necessary to make small changes to this proposal. >

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-14 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 21:41, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > What I don't like in OSM is naming for large geographic areas, Thanks for the explanation, Frederik, but I'd like to make a couple of points like "the Alps", "the Black Forest", or "the Bay of Biscay", for two > reasons: > > First, there

Re: [Tagging] How to tag entire group of rentable holiday cottages?

2020-12-14 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 21:28, Paul Allen wrote: > I can't think of an English term, other than "holiday cottages." These > places > generally call themselves "Foo Holiday Cottages" or "Foo Holidays" or > "Foo Farm Cottages" or things like that. > I'm with Paul for Holiday Cottages. How about

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - crossing=priority

2020-12-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 06:37, stevea wrote: > This is problematic to my thinking. In California (my state), at an > UNCONTROLLED intersection (no traffic_signal, stop sign, other traffic > control device...), for example where the sidewalk "would continue to > another sidewalk on the other side

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 19:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > fully spelt out > Noted. Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Continuous shoulder rumble strips (CSRS)

2020-12-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 02:24, Seth Deegan wrote: > Those are known as rumble strips. > > The wiki has traffic_calming=rumble_strip: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming#Common_values > But the description for rumble strip on that page also says "Do not confuse with

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2020-12-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:43, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > That example certainly looks like a landuse=basin or water=basin feature > with basin=retention > Maybe? But there's an awful lot of them tagged as reservoirs! Thanks Graeme > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 6:23 PM Gra

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 17:55, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > How objects tagged now with amenity=lifeboat_station should be tagged > after this proposal passes? > They were a late addition after somebody pointed out that they exist. They would be replaced

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 19:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On 20. Dec 2020, at 05:43, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > The existing emergency <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:emergency> > =disaster_response > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
There has been concern raised on the talk page over the "If it's illegal, please don't map" warning that I included in the proposal. I put it there due to that issue being mentioned on several military related pages, but also noticed that there are a few different wording of it eg

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 09:32, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > its presence does not even tell in every case that you can exercise the > sport at an object with this tag. E.g. > shop=sports > sport=surfing > What would you suggest then for a shop that sells surfboards eg

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 09:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > is this referring to British law? > Not that I'm aware of (or Australian for that matter!), but I have seen comments on various pages that it is illegal for people in both Israel & Russia to map the location of military bases, &, of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
ame)" to the list. > > Many people might not be reading every email in the RFC thread, but do > want to know when voting is open, so a new thread makes it more visible. > > On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 14:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On S

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Rescue Stations

2020-12-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Just to make sure everybody is aware, voting is now open on the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Rescue_Stations proposal. Any questions or comments are still welcome, either here, the original Proposal thread (

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 15:30, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > I think the best option is to deprecate water=pond and suggest using > water=lake for natural lakes, even small ones, > No, I don't agree, sorry. Same as the difference between rivers & streams, there is a difference between lakes &

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 06:06, stevea wrote: > let's take that off-list. Those would be appropriate to discuss ON list, > it's true, and maybe you publish the RESULTS of our off-list discussion > here after we've emailed each other. But I feel we have spent a great deal > of time (and passion!)

Re: [Tagging] Defining the meaning of capacity tag for tourism=camp_site

2020-11-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 at 20:27, Sven Geggus wrote: > While the wiki clearly states that capacity means people a lot of mappers > seem to think that the number of camp-pitches is meant. > > The problem is, that both numbers seem to make sense on different types of > camp-sites. While the (maximum)

Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 at 00:22, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > https://westnordost.de/misc/2or1lanes.jpg > > It is a residential road marked clearly for 2 lanes, so it seems obvious > to tag it with lanes=2. But on the other hand, you'll notice that there > are parking cars on the right side that

Re: [Tagging] surface=rock

2020-11-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I was having similar thoughts just a couple of days ago, about what to call a pile of rocks that a farmer has cleared from, then piled up in, a field? natural=bare_rock says it's exposed bedrock =scree has fallen from an adjacent rockface =shingle is on a beach or river bed =stone is for large

Re: [Tagging] surface=rock

2020-11-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 at 08:41, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairn it seems that it is > something more purposefully constructed than > "pile of unwanted stones kept in one place" > Yes, that's what I thought

Re: [Tagging] Mapping terraced, irrigated farmland (e.g. rice paddies)?

2020-11-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
A while back, we had a discussion / proposal about mapping steps as an area, so that each step was mapped. Would that concept work here? Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-11-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 at 20:49, Robert Delmenico wrote: > Thank you all for the discussion around changing the tag man_made. > > After careful consideration I have decided to abandon this proposal > Probably the best, because it tried to go too far in one go. - mostly because the fact that the

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-06 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 at 04:34, Anders Torger wrote: > > ** Due to limitations in area-based name tagging the map looks empty > just when zoomed out a little, as names disappear almost directly, so > despite detailed mapping and tagging the overview map is not as useful > as it could be. While the

Re: [Tagging] How to tag entire group of rentable holiday cottages?

2020-12-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 16:22, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Tagging 25 tourism=chalet independently is sill when they form > single object, not 25 separate ones. > Are they cottages number 1 - 25 on the same camp site, or individual chalets located close

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for the renderer : One-way "flow" bicycle tracks

2023-09-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 11 Sept 2023 at 01:25, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > Volker Schmidt: > > Be careful: oneway=* is a legal access tag, only valid for vehicles, not > for pedestrians. > > > We do have a lot of highway=footway,oneway=yes > Also know of suspended Tree Walk walkways e.g.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for the renderer : One-way "flow" bicycle tracks

2023-09-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 11 Sept 2023 at 16:22, Volker Schmidt wrote: > The problem is that we frequently have cycleways or food-cycle-ways that > are legally oneway for cyclists, but not for pedestrians. They are tagged > "oneway=yes". I agree we need a oneway tag for pedestrians, but it cannot > be a simple

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for the renderer : One-way "flow" bicycle tracks

2023-09-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Not arguing, but oneway:foot = 5024 foot:backward = 394 foot:forward = 300 Personally, I would interpret that as time that the wiki had a rewrite! :-) Thanks Graeme On Mon, 11 Sept 2023 at 19:19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 11 Sep 2023, a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Training

2022-09-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 27 Sept 2022 at 02:10, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > What about universities where future sailors/pilots are training > (often these are military schools). > They should then be under military=base + base_function=training Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] improve the proposal procedure

2022-10-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 23:58, Casper Kersten wrote > All this said, I do appreciate good quality proposals and constructive > discussions. I'm happy with all these creative proposals that are being put > forward. > As do I, but I get a bit concerned when RFCs / proposals are raised for

Re: [Tagging] Window tinting?

2022-10-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 at 05:58, Andy Townsend wrote: > There are a few dozen examples in taginfo: > > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=tinting#values > > I'd pick one of those examples. > Thanks, Andy! I tried searching for that & couldn't find anything? Must have been doing something

[Tagging] Window tinting?

2022-10-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
How do you tag businesses doing window tinting for either cars or building windows? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_film Some of the options seem to be shop=window_blind or craft=sun_protection but neither of them excite me! https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dwindow_blind

Re: [Tagging] Window tinting?

2022-10-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Just created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dwindow_tinting As always, all comments are welcome. Thanks Graeme PS & apparently just made my 1000th edit to the Wiki! On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 at 14:46, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Oct 21,

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 at 18:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > you’ll have to wait a long time until the water becomes cold and can be > drunken. > That one is a comment that stood out to me? Is the water in your "drinking fountains" chilled, or is it just the natural temperature of the water

Re: [Tagging] addr:town

2022-09-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
In Australia, we encourage mappers not to use the town/city, State, or postcode fields at all when entering addresses! All they need to enter is the unit number (if applicable & known), street number & street name. Thanks Graeme On Sun, 25 Sept 2022 at 18:40, Andrew Hain wrote: > Clearly

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-04 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 4 Oct 2022 at 22:51, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Can we mark it as deprecated and recommend not using it? > Yep, I'd be happy with that. On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 04:59, Jass Kurn wrote: > > I've just noticed there is a bubbler tag being promoted?

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Historic

2022-10-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 at 17:42, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > are all military tags about current use by the military, or maybe they can > also be used for military installations that aren’t used currently? Is a > military base that is now abandoned still a military base? Or a bunker?What > are

Re: [Tagging] Better term for unisex

2022-10-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
gender=any? Thanks Graeme On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 21:21, martianfreeloader wrote: > In the discussion of the Gender proposal, I noted that I find it strange > to use the term "unisex" for "gender-neutral" or "all-gender" (as sex > and gender are different properties). > > Proposal:

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-06 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Davidoskky via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > With all these tags, there is still no way to properly describe a place > with a pipe that provides water which is not drinkable and not decorative. > Throwing another one into the mix - taps in camp

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Historic

2022-10-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 at 23:28, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Maybe there would be value in deapproving historic=battlefield > I would love to be able to move the vast majority of military= to historic=military, as they are no longer military installations.

Re: [Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

2022-10-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Davidoskky via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Would simply style work? > Don't think it really needs anything more than you said earlier: amenity=fountain + fountain=decorative / utility / drinking should cover it? Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water outlet

2022-10-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 at 01:15, Marc_marc wrote: > > Standardization is a good thing for quality but it is often a difficult > exercise, especially when the previous tags mix several pieces of > information into one, as is the case here > Especially when you consider that we now have at least 7

Re: [Tagging] OSM Wiki

2022-10-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 19:01, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > or reply to this posting with link of freely licensed image, preferably > already > uploaded to Wikimedia Commons > How about this one, although it is more of a fountain than a tap.

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Wondering if one solution for continually running "fountain" vs a start / stop tap, would be a simple ? Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

2022-10-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 16:04, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > As for the pipe ... does it have a tap, or does it flow constantly? Bore > water? Spring water? > Sorry, forgot about this one. One camping ground that I'm thinking of, that we visit frequently, water is pumped from the creek

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
What do they say about great minds, Steve? :-) Thanks Graeme On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 16:43, stevea wrote: > On Oct 8, 2022, at 11:31 PM, stevea wrote: > > Yes, taps CAN be drinking water, but not necessarily are. For example, > a hose_bib on a residence's "backyard porch" might be designed

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 at 16:36, stevea wrote: > > > Disagree, some are are the same feature .. taps can be drinking water .. > or 'not suitable for drinking' (legal CYA?), 'recommend you boil' (more > CYA?), and 'not suitable for drinking' (you really would not drink this > stuff, just look and

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 at 10:13, stevea wrote: > > > replace man_made=water_tap with tap=yes and I subscribe. Also remove the > redundant drinking_water=yes, it is implied by amenity=drinking_water > > This makes a lot of sense; +1. > Yep! Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Payment denominations

2022-10-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 at 10:12, stevea wrote: > Yes, I'm glad to hear this: somebody refusing a 500€ bill / invoice with > a 500€ note would simply make me leave the note on the table (counter, hand > of the proprietor, if s/he let me...) and walk away, my obligation to > remunerate fully and

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 2 Oct 2022 at 10:05, Davidoskky via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > >> I'll add to this list all those taps that can be activated without a > direct manipulation of an object, such as passing your hand in front of a > light ray which causes the water to start flowing. > >

Re: [Tagging] OSM Wiki

2022-09-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 at 09:01, Mike Thompson wrote: > > Agree it should be deleted or at least modified. > On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 at 09:19, stevea wrote: > I'll go this: "A water tap is a human-made construction providing access > to potable water" and leave out "supplied by centralized water

Re: [Tagging] OSM Wiki

2022-09-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 at 09:32, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > I would not expect https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg > to be a water tap, but I am not a native speaker. > Yes, quite definitely a water tap! How you would then distinguish >

Re: [Tagging] OSM Wiki

2022-09-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 at 09:37, stevea wrote: > I haven't heard a wider chime-in to my emphasis on "potable" (drinkable, > if you prefer) but I think many of us mean that with a water_tap, even if > we don't say it, I think we should. > I'm not sure if we should define that all taps are

Re: [Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

2022-10-14 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 at 20:10, Davidoskky via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > I don't think the wall is so important frankly, but let's assume we agree > on that. > > This fountain has the wall and thus is decorative and is amenity=fountain. > > >

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I would say that regardless of how it's operated - turn handle, push button, lever, foot pedal, auto sensor etc - that if water comes out, it's a tap! Thanks Graeme On Tue, 27 Sept 2022 at 23:20, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Sep 27, 2022, 14:58 by

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 18:29, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would not tag a bubbler as a tap. > These were the bubblers that we grew up with at school

Re: [Tagging] OSM Wiki

2022-09-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Two more questions re the wiki. " A water tap is a man-made construction providing access to water, *supplied by centralized water distribution system*" - how about taps connected to rain-water tanks? That part of that sentence should be deleted. & " Note that fountain

Re: [Tagging] Is this continouos flow a water tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 28 Sept 2022 at 03:03, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Is > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beim_Kiosk_(Anlagage_Sihlh%C3%B6lzli).jpg > man_made=water_tap > or > man_made=drinking_fountain > > Personally, I would call that one a decorative

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - High seas

2023-01-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Would this get around the problem of sea / oceans not being named e.g.: https://www.openstreetmap.org/query?lat=-28.0675=153.4939#map=14/-28.0666/153.4835 , is part of the Coral Sea section of the Pacific Ocean, but comes up as nothing found. Thanks Graeme On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 12:58, Brian M.

Re: [Tagging] Change emergency=lifeboat-station to water-rescue

2023-01-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
New proposal done: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/emergency%3Dwater_rescue Hopefully, the controversial bits have now been removed? Thanks Graeme On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 at 22:55, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 04/01/2023 06:16, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > >

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=air rescue service

2023-01-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 at 18:14, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > is this thought for places where emergency aircraft is located or should > it also be applied to places which are merely used for administration or > training? > Was really only thinking of the operational side of things. Thanks

[Tagging] Private ambulance / patient transport service

2023-01-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Tried asking about this on the Community but no response so I'll bring it out here. In the process of clearing Notes & found one referring to this business: https://moretongroup.com/ It’s a private business that does first aid training, but also provides ambulances to attend sporting events, does

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - yarn shops

2023-01-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 at 00:21, Nate Wessel wrote: > Would anyone object to an attempt to better cross-reference and > distinguish these categories? > That's always a good idea! :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Private ambulance / patient transport service

2023-01-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 22:33, Philip Barnes wrote: > That would be very misleading, these are not the normal public ambulance > service crewed by paramedics who you contact in an emergency. > > There is one locally who provide patient transport between hospitals for > the NHS. I would go with a

Re: [Tagging] key covered=* applied to storage tanks

2023-01-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 at 02:44, Illia Marchenko wrote: > > Maybe *storage_tank=open *or similar. > I think this one may be the simplest solution. Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Change emergency=lifeboat-station to water-rescue

2023-01-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 6 Jan 2023 at 14:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > New proposal done: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/emergency%3Dwater_rescue > Everything is quiet! :-) Does that mean that people are happy with how it looks? Thank

[Tagging] Change emergency=lifeboat-station to water-rescue

2023-01-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Hi all & welcome back to the New Year! With Christmas over, & the start of a new month, thought it must be time to revisit https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/emergency%3Dlifeboat_station Just prior to Christmas, I had suggested, following various suggestions, that this

Re: [Tagging] Change emergency=lifeboat-station to water-rescue

2023-01-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Sorry, meant to include the link to the previous discussions: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-December/066606.html Thanks Graeme On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 at 16:16, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi all & welcome back to the New Year! > > With Christmas over

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-12-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Marc_marc wrote: > >> Le 06.12.22 à 00:47, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : > >>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-November/066540.html > >>> > >>> Are there any further comments that anybody would like to raise? > &g

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-12-06 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 00:57, Marc_marc wrote: > > - what are we mapping ? reading the description, this seems to be more > of a landuse=ermergency than mapping an emergency service i.e. where > you can go to get a service > The land-based location of emergency groups dedicated to the saving of

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-12-06 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 at 20:54, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > Still does not resolve my problem with a water rescue station where there > is no boat. > > Before people ask again how that is possible - they might have their boats > mooring at changing > locations without a station, but the station is not

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-12-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:59, Andy Townsend wrote: > doesn't explain why "amenity=lifeboat" is "deprecated". Like it or not, > this is used exactly how you'd expect: > > https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#20/54.48811/-0.61310 > But as I've pointed out a couple of times before, by

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-12-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 12:15, Andy Townsend wrote: > Most of the time, yes they can* - 8000 launches per year between 400 > lifeboats is on average 20 per year. If we take a guess at 8 hours per > launch, it's there 98% of the time. > By those numbers, yep, perfectly correct! But those 8000

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-12-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Voting cancelled to discuss issues. On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 23:53, Marc_marc wrote: > > it's a shame to have gone to the vote without resolving the 5 issues raised > & it's also a shame that they couldn't have been mentioned as unresolved when I said twice that it was ready to go to voting!

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-12-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 17:55, Marc_marc wrote: > Le 16.12.22 à 08:30, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit : > > > In this case amenity=lifeboat is - I expect - used to map lifeboat > > stationing place, not lifeboat itself > > of course, like marina doesn't map boats but the mooring area >

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-12-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Possibly combine all existing tags under a new top tag emergency=water_rescue? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/emergency%3Dlifeboat_station#Replace_emergency=lifeboat_station_with_emergency=water_rescue Thoughts & comments please? Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-12-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Further thoughts re air rescue, please. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/emergency%3Dlifeboat_station#Air_rescue Thanks Graeme On Sat, 17 Dec 2022 at 11:05, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Possibly combine all existing tags under a new top tag > emergency=water_

Re: [Tagging] Foot / sidewalk access tagging

2022-12-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 06:32, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > I recently came across an unexpected tagging combination and I would like > to understand how folks in various places would interpret this: > > highway= > foot=no > sidewalk=separate > > Would folks regard that as accurate data

Re: [Tagging] Foot / sidewalk access tagging

2022-12-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 09:33, Minh Nguyen wrote: > other places where cyclists are required to use sidewalks when present. & then you have places like where I am, where e-scooters are allowed to use marked bike lanes, riding at speeds up to 25kph (15mph?) on streets with a speed limit up to

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-12-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 17 Dec 2022 at 18:45, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > 17 gru 2022, 01:19 od graemefi...@gmail.com: > > The other issue with the currently mapped info is that most of it appears > to have come from an unauthorised source. > > Can you link problematic

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-12-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Made some changes to the proposal to delete reference to helicopters & "rescue-related sites", which will probably both become their own proposals, but your thoughts & comments are still welcome! Thanks Graeme On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 at 10:55, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > &

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-12-14 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
No further comments or discussion so moved to voting: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/emergency%3Dlifeboat_station#Voting Thanks Graeme On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 12:59, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > I've made a minor change to the format of the possible tags to incl

[Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-12-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Bringing this forward to the new month. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-November/066540.html Are there any further comments that anybody would like to raise? To sum-up, proposal is to: Approve emergency=lifeboat_station Deprecate emergency=marine_rescue & merge it's

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-11-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 at 19:12, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > Is amenity=lifeboat actually wrong? > No, not really, but why have amenity=lifeboat & emergency=lifeboat (& sometimes emergency=marine_rescue) both tagged on the same feature? > The ones in the UK at least are actual lifeboats, showing

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-11-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 09:29, Andy Townsend wrote: > > Why not both? > Because a boat is a mobile feature, that we don't / can't map? e.g https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=349559642#map=19/-27.42815/153.08582 - we don't try to map the last bus in the middle row as #632 > Taking an

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

2022-11-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 at 15:38, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > There are some ways to draw attention to a wiki talk page comment in > general. For example, if I add {{ping|Fizzie41}} to my comment, you'll > get a notification, including by e-mail if you've set that up. If your > comment concerns the

Re: [Tagging] care services

2022-11-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 at 12:36, Matija Nalis < mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr> wrote: > > > My question is for a unique company providing different services for > > assistance at home, but the goal is not healthcare. Probably > > office=home_aide could be good, I am questionning english native

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

2022-11-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 02:36, stevea wrote: > this missive attempts to sketch the outline of a possible tagging scheme > for “utilities” in general. This would be a fairly rich (complex) scheme > if/as it were to encompass all of the sorts of “utility offices” there are > around the world. It

Re: [Tagging] care services

2022-11-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 05:58, Jmapb wrote: > I think office=home_aide might be good. > ("home_care" sounds like it's the home that's being cared for.) How about =home_assistance? Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

2022-11-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 08:05, Matija Nalis < mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr> wrote: > > However, "energy company" is not restricted to electrical energy. > Over here in Croatia, another popular energent is natural gas. > > In fact, many of "electrical energy providers" are also > "natural

Re: [Tagging] care services

2022-11-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 08:45, Matija Nalis < mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr> wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=gardener > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=cleaning The problem with using the various craft= tags, is that a lot of these sort of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

2022-11-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 11:43, Matija Nalis < mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr> wrote: > Do you spot the problem here? > Because I do. > Certainly do! Going back to what I mentioned earlier: On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 08:21, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > So far, there h

Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?

2022-11-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
? Thanks Graeme On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 at 17:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 10/11/22 14:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Another question! > > > > In a number of places e.g. https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1nBt the Rescue > > unit has two buildings -

Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?

2022-11-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thu, 17 Nov 2022 at 10:09, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > As emergency=lifeboat_station seems like it may be the most popular > option, I have now added details to the previously virtually blank page: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dlifeboat_station > > All opinions

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-11-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
s > > Graeme > > > On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 at 09:35, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 19:05, Jez Nicholson >> wrote: >> >>> When the lifeboat is permanently moored at a particular location it is >>>

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-11-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 20:55, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Past discussion on burger vans etc lead to the understanding that if > something was, for the majority of the time, found at a certain location > then OSM should map it. > True, but part of the argument there was that the van

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-11-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 19:12, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Some ships and boats don't move much... as they are part of museums ... > On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 20:55, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > HMS Belfast in London is mapped as building=ship, for all intents is it > permanent

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-11-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 19:05, Jez Nicholson wrote: > When the lifeboat is permanently moored at a particular location it is > less transitory than a busso people can and do tag them. Not me > necessarily, but other mappers. > True, but can you guarantee that I can walk up to that spot

[Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

2022-11-22 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Following our previous discussions, I've now raised a proposal to proceed with these changes: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/emergency%3Dlifeboat_station Please comment in whichever of the 3 places that you prefer, & I'll attempt to keep on top of all of them! :-) Thanks

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