Re: [Tagging] Distinction between amenity=restaurant and fast_food

2014-08-03 Thread Janko Mihelić
If you ask me, all fast foods are restaurants, restaurant is just a broader term. There's no way we can find a clear line that distinct fast food with slow food restaurants. What ever rule you find, there will be some example of a restaurant that fits both descriptions. There is probably a

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin: Distinction of purchase through website and cash register/Point of sale

2014-08-13 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-08-12 20:55 GMT+02:00 Anita Andersson cc0c...@gmx.com: One idea that got proposed was payment:online:bitcoin=yes/no + payment:offline:bitcoin=yes/no where online=purchase through website and where offline=cash register/Point of sale Any ideas? If you are going to tag online payment

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin: Distinction of purchase through website and cash register/Point of sale

2014-08-13 Thread Janko Mihelić
with Bitcoin payment at the point of sale: shop=computer + payment:bitcoin=yes I think this is an ok scheme. 2014-08-13 13:57 GMT+02:00 Anita Andersson cc0c...@gmx.com: Janko Mihelić wrote: If you are going to tag online payment methods (and I'm not 100% sure that's ok for this database) then I would

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin: Distinction of purchase through website and cash register/Point of sale

2014-08-13 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-08-13 15:12 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de: But if a shop doesn't accept a certain payment method at its physical location then I don't think it should be tagged that way even if they have a website where that payment method is valid. So what about delivery services? They

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin: Distinction of purchase through website and cash register/Point of sale

2014-08-13 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-08-13 15:36 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de: The problem is that it isn't blackwhite. For example payment via a phone number or smartphone app could be both. So I would say payment=yes, payment:credit_cards=yes etc. should be offline by default, but payment key itself should

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
Well first, tunnel=yes is obviously wrong. We need to replace this with cave=yes. Other than that, I have no problems with this. If a cave has two cave entrances, then information that they are connected by footpaths is valuable information. Janko 2014-08-14 7:29 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-08-14 12:24 GMT+02:00 André Pirard a.pir...@ulg.ac.be: On 2014-08-14 11:08, Janko Mihelić wrote : Well first, tunnel=yes is obviously wrong. We need to replace this with cave=yes. Other than that, I have no problems with this. If a cave has two cave entrances, then information

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin: Distinction of purchase through website and cash register/Point of sale

2014-08-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
+1 for not using payment:bitcoin=yes if bitcoin is not accepted at the point of sale. It shouldn't be a problem for Coinmap to add payment:website:bitcoin=yes as a new kind of pin. And it would probably make it a much better map. Janko ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
Maybe the cleanest solution is the proposed node relation: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Node Although that wouldn't give the entrance an attribute with all those addresses, it would just pile the addresses on top of the entrance. I'm not sure. Interpolation tag sounds

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
What happens when the same entrance has two housenumbers, each from its own street? I'm sure this exists somewhere. 2014-08-18 21:29 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Il giorno 18/ago/2014, alle ore 16:04, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com ha scritto: I propose to

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
Commons is getting its own Wikibase installation, in addition to being present in Wikidata. So every photograph, video or audio is going to have it's own Commons Wikibase ID, with structured properties about that item. Each category will probably have it's own ID as well. The problem is, this

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

2014-08-20 Thread Janko Mihelić
. Also, you probably need to have the camera mounted on a pole so that it can see over parked vehicles and pedestrians. On August 20, 2014 10:25:15 AM CDT, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Wed Aug 20 2014 15:27:06 GMT+0100 (BST), Janko Mihelić wrote: I'm trying to find a way to photograph

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-08-24 12:00 GMT+02:00 Fabrizio Carrai fabrizio.car...@gmail.com: Hi Lorenzo, my personal opinion is for tourism=attraction + attraction=acquarium. I don't like attraction=aquarium, I'd rather have tourism=attraction+man_made=aquarium. ___

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-25 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-08-25 15:53 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: I also don't like man_made=aquarium because I'd expect that to describe a single aquarium, i.e. a water filled container with fish etc. in it, while here we are discussing a structure like a zoo with footways, service

Re: [Tagging] aeroway=taxiway as area

2014-08-30 Thread Janko Mihelić
If you want to map the whole area, maybe the best way is to use this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/area:highway and tag with area:aeroway=taxiway Janko 2014-08-29 22:59 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: On 08/29/2014 10:38 PM, Nelson A. de

Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets?

2014-08-31 Thread Janko Mihelić
The tag smoothness is vague and subjective only if we define it as such. Values excellent and bad can be treated as placeholders, and we can define them on the wiki as anything we like and then expect mappers to use them according to that definition, and not solely by that one string. If you ask

Re: [Tagging] Simple Indoor Tagging

2014-09-21 Thread Janko Mihelić
I've been thinking recently about simplified indoor tagging. I've made the next picture: http://i.imgur.com/V09c2KG.png We have two shops and three entrances, and it would be nice to know which entrances lead to which shops. Full indoor tagging would mean that we should draw rooms for both

Re: [Tagging] Simple Indoor Tagging

2014-09-22 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-09-22 1:43 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: wouldn't there typically be direct entrances and no corridors? I think if you are at this level of detail we could expect that you add the poi as a polygon, rather than adding nonexistent corridors ;-) I guess you're

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-30 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-09-29 23:45 GMT+02:00 Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com: The case of Japan is different. In Japan, the name belongs to the _traffic signal_, and _not_ to the junction. We need to distinguish this, because they are usually differently rendered (traffic signal names usually with an icon and

Re: [Tagging] tagging for graves?

2014-10-01 Thread Janko Mihelić
I used buried:wikidata for that. I used it because a grave can be an art piece as well, and maybe an artist made a statue of some other historical person or an angel on the grave. 2014-10-01 14:23 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: While experimenting a bit with Wikidata, I added some

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-10-05 Thread Janko Mihelić
Would schools and hospitals fit into this new landuse tag? Dana 3. 10. 2014. 20:33 osoba Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org napisala je: Dan S wrote on 2014-10-03 19:21: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2014-10-03 15:32: I see the introduction of a new, more specific key positive, e.g.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person

2014-10-13 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think OSM isn't a place for this. Number of the grave should be enough, and naming people in the grave (if they are not famous) looks like data for other databases. What are other uses for this relation type? Home of a person, workplace of a person, current location of a person? 2014-10-13

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person

2014-10-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-10-13 23:24 GMT+02:00 Zbigniew Czernik zbign...@openstreetmap.pl: What if there are several people in the grave (with different names)? Semicolons? I think OSM shouldn't have names of people in the grave. What you are saying is that, when OSM database is complete, we should have one

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person

2014-10-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-10-14 13:55 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: If you don't put the names in OSM what do you propose? Phil (trigpoint) I think we should have notability, like Wikipedia. I have been using buried:wikidata=*, and if someone can't get in Wikidata, then I think the same should

Re: [Tagging] sport= non-physical tags and the exceptions people come up with...

2014-10-20 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-10-20 19:16 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de: would you mind rephrasing this? I don't understand what you want to tell us, and I guess others feel similar, given that nobody has replied in the past 2 days... Using sport=scuba_diving for a dive spot. That would be like using

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-22 Thread Janko Mihelić
with shopping_centre. Janko Mihelić Dana 22. 10. 2014. 00:22 osoba John Willis jo...@mac.com napisala je: Sent from my iPad On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking that landuse=retail makes more sense than either mall

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-27 Thread Janko Mihelić
opinion superfluous. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Peninsula Janko Mihelić 2014-10-27 11:03 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-10-26 21:38 GMT+01:00 Christoph Hormann chris_horm...@gmx.de: Specific arguments aside - i am not sure if you

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-27 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-10-27 16:24 GMT+01:00 Christoph Hormann chris_horm...@gmx.de: I can't help but notice that in the whole discussion here no argument has been put formward indicating a practical advantage of bays mapped as polygons other than the ease of rendering labels. Reverse geocoding. A boat comes

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-27 Thread Janko Mihelić
Dana 27. 10. 2014. 21:30 osoba Eric Kidd emk.li...@randomhacks.net napisala je: The rendering onopenstreetmap.orgis pretty good: it just prints the bay name at the marked point, and shows it across a reasonable range of scales. There are some weird cases with nested bays, but those are weird on

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-29 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-10-29 14:46 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-10-29 14:40 GMT+01:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Also bays with very flat or deep geometry will result in disproportionately small areas so mappers may feel compelled to do some ugly workarounds if the name of

Re: [Tagging] How one should tag different sections of library?

2014-12-04 Thread Janko Mihelić
I suggest a combination of indoor tagging, like described on this page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_Indoor_Tagging and a custom tag, like library_section=* (or maybe book_type=*, because this could also be used in book shops). So a room with children books would be indoor=room +

Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations convenience stores

2014-12-05 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-12-05 10:49 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: In my opinion the gas station is not the building but the whole area. Also the address belongs to the whole area and that's the way I tag gas stations: - Draw an area to cover the complete gas station and put amenity=fuel

Re: [Tagging] New openstreetmap-carto version: please check country and state boundaries

2014-12-10 Thread Janko Mihelić
have states. Maybe you were talking about a different country? Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations convenience stores

2014-12-11 Thread Janko Mihelić
Dana 11. 12. 2014. 08:57 osoba Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl napisala je: I agree with Greg. Many people still think it is possible to get worldwide consensus on tagging. This will never happen as long as the tags are so subjective. Check out the thread on the definitions of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=public_bookcase

2014-12-19 Thread Janko Mihelić
-1 for amenity=reuse. Building=house can also be reused. This might be the most vague tag I've ever seen. Dana 18. 12. 2014. 14:55 osoba Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com napisala je: for reference, there have been discussions on this previously:

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals vs. maxspeed:variable=yes + maxspeed=x

2014-12-20 Thread Janko Mihelić
I like maxspeed:variable=* simply because it lets you use maxspeed=* in its original sense. Maxspeed=signals robs you of that original tag and routers now have to dig deep into tags to understand the real maxspeed. Keep the simple tags, and build around them, that's what I say. Janko. Dana 19.

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals vs. maxspeed:variable=yes + maxspeed=x

2014-12-21 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-12-20 15:02 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: Is it too much of a challenge for router developers to look at one or two other tags? Not a big challenge, but an unnecessary one. Also, a challenge for mappers. And won't maxspeed=number + maxspeed:type=signals (or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre

2014-12-29 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-12-28 23:35 GMT+01:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de: fitness_centre:access=membership, fitness_centre:access=club? private? Or have something like fitness_centre=yes? (Not sure as we already have sport=*) Why complicate things? I think a simple access=private (or maybe

Re: [Tagging] lanes=-1 especially in Canada

2014-12-29 Thread Janko Mihelić
Maybe CANVEC uses it instead of unknown? 2014-12-29 11:16 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: I rolled the map-roulette wheel, and found a series of highways in Canada marked with lanes=-1, all part of a CANVEC import. I see 17,943 uses of this value: it's less popular than 5 lanes

Re: [Tagging] question: best practices for micromapping ped areas and footpaths?

2014-12-30 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-12-30 9:40 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com: Ahh, I see - that makes sense. so, I should leave the pedestrain areas as they are, and add an additional area for the roof (so I would have two areas - one the footpath and the other a roof with the adjacent areas as pedestrian) or make

Re: [Tagging] lanes=-1 especially in Canada

2014-12-30 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-12-30 22:16 GMT+01:00 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: It may well mean what it says, a one-lane road. Some rural areas in the USA still have one-lane roads, with occasional wider spots where one vehicle can pause to allow a vehicle going the other direction to pass by. Given how

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk tagged on highway=cycleway

2015-01-01 Thread Janko Mihelić
+1 I think this should be tagged with lanes, to be compatible with road lane tagging: bicycle:lanes:forward=designated|no foot:lanes:forward=no|designated Or if this looks a bit complicated (it does to me) invent a new tag, something like: designated:lanes:forward=bicycle|foot Janko Mihelić

Re: [Tagging] correct access tagging for tourist attraction

2015-01-02 Thread Janko Mihelić
I always thought access=destination meant you can go through a road with a car, if your destination is that road. You can't use that road to go to a different road. 2015-01-02 17:01 GMT+01:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Happy new year Am 31.12.2014 um 19:05 schrieb Greg Troxel: johnw

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Janko Mihelić
I'm not an expert, but don't only big airports have the IATA code? Only 9 airports have the IATA code in Croatia, and about 30 have the ICAO code. Maybe you have to meet certain standards to get the IATA code. Janko Mihelić 2015-01-03 14:54 GMT+01:00 Christoph Hormann chris_horm...@gmx.de

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-01-03 Thread Janko Mihelić
Landuse=religious AFAIK started being used for land that is owned by a religious entity, and in it there would be schools, playgrounds, priest living grounds, and so on. Then this was disputed, and if this was actually landuse=residential. Some said it should be used for the land around a church,

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread Janko Mihelić
There's a different problem. An airport with a grassy runway in Europe should be rendered at z13. Not very important. But a grassy runway in Africa, 500km from the nearest airport is important enough for z7. We should start making algorithms that take into account the context of an entity. Maybe

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-26 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-01-25 23:30 GMT+01:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: If this tag is to be useful (assuming it is the sort of thing OSM should record), maybe using Wikidata should be considered through an additional tag such as dedication:wikidata=Q33923 for Saint Peter

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, REMOVED

2015-02-02 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-01-28 19:25 GMT+01:00 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: If there used to be a building but all that is left is a clearing in the forest, then the clearing will be in OSM, and not a building with a lifecycle tag of removed. But what if hikers still refer to the spot? Like Let's go to

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-06 Thread Janko Mihelić
://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes:psv And in my town those lanes are reserved for trams, buses and taxis. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reception Desk

2015-02-06 Thread Janko Mihelić
Why not tourism=reception_desk? We have tourism=hotel, tourism=camp_site, tourism=information, it's only logical to use the same key. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-02-08 17:48 GMT+01:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Actually, I use an even more general approach: railway:forward=tram railway:lanes:backward=tram|no together with access I also use train access:lanes:backward=no|yes train:lanes:backward=designated|no I don't understand why you

Re: [Tagging] courtyards

2015-02-08 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-02-08 15:47 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: maybe building:part=courtyard would be a good tag semantic wise (but unlikely to be rendered on the main style) +1 That's the first one that came to my mind. That is a part of the building. When I was mapping manors I

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Janko Mihelić
describe lanes, they do not represent the railway. Tag tram:lanes:forward=no|designated only says that the outer lane has a railway track on it. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
I don't get how amenity=drinking_water is a problem. It is just a tag with a wider meaning. man_made=water_tap+drinking_water=yes is a special type of amenity=drinking_water, as is natural=spring+drinking_water=yes or some other combination. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
As for newcomers, I think editors like iD should hide the intricacies of the tagging system anyway. If you click drinking water it puts amenity=drinking_water. But then it offers you all types of drinking water, like a tap, a spring, bottled water in a vending machine, a hose, a well and if you

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a corner address with addr:street:corner=*

2015-01-19 Thread Janko Mihelić
Using the phrase intersection of street x and street y is used all the time, probably everywhere in the western world. But we don't use addr:intersection. Are there streets where if you use corner of street x and street y people wouldn't understand, because the corner of those streets isn't a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-15 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-01-15 12:23 GMT+01:00 Andrew Shadura and...@shadura.me: On 15 January 2015 at 03:02, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: The proposal seems to be a good solution to this problem. This particular proposal seems to be a terrible solution to this problem. It requires changes to the software, and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Cluster

2015-01-15 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-01-15 11:23 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: I wonder if it wouldn't make more sense to use the approach of islands / archipelago, i.e. have a dedicated, explicit and specific tag for the combined feature (e.g. several natural=island/islet can be together in a

Re: [Tagging] ?=maze

2015-02-19 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-02-19 10:27 GMT+01:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: I'd do tourism=maze ... similar to zoo, theme park, museum, artwork. and if necessary sub tag under that .. there are lots of different types .. see wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze I agree. It's simple and to the point.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC: Reverse Vending Machine

2015-01-11 Thread Janko Mihelić
Dana 11. 1. 2015. 10:22 osoba Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de napisala je: I feel like this would be so much simpler if the amenity tag was not limited to vending_machines. In Germany everything is just called Automat. - cigarettes = Zigarettenautomat - parcel = Paketautomat (Well, not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - traffic_signals (Lukas Schaus)

2015-02-10 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-02-10 11:29 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: This does seem very complicated, I cannot see much take up by mappers on the ground. Traffic signal timing varies by time of day, day of week, and traffic density. Many traffic signals can be remotely controlled to clear

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-02-09 13:30 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: Just one quick question: are there any tags describing the track bed and ties? Here is a huge list of railway tags: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging There is embedded=yes/no/pavement/wood/metal/plastic

Re: [Tagging] maxwidth vs. maxwidth:physical vs. width

2015-02-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
Maybe it's for special cargo. If you are a regular truck, you have to use maxwidth. But if you are a truck that has oversize load[1] you use maxwidth:physical. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oversize_load Janko ___ Tagging mailing list

[Tagging] Adding water=fishpond to the wiki

2015-01-04 Thread Janko Mihelić
that is already used, we can discuss it here. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Adding water=fishpond to the wiki

2015-01-04 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-01-04 19:55 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: I would use a subtag, like natural=water, water=pond, pond=fish_pond. The paradoxic effect of adding more detailed tags is that the data gets less useful to data consumers, because most data users won't add particular

Re: [Tagging] Adding water=fishpond to the wiki

2015-01-04 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-01-04 20:25 GMT+01:00 Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com: But we have also yet an existing tag water=pond for ponds. We would have to change the defination for this tag from “a pond” to “a pond – but not if this is a pond that serves for fishing” – sounds complicate … A pond is the same

Re: [Tagging] Adding water=fishpond to the wiki

2015-01-04 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-01-04 21:49 GMT+01:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: Have you looked at what tagging people are using (if any) within landuse=aquaculture and/or landuse=fishfarm areas? I have looked now, and they are used pretty inconsistently. Sometimes every fishpond is tagged with it's own

Re: [Tagging] Adding water=fishpond to the wiki

2015-01-04 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-01-04 22:07 GMT+01:00 althio forum althio.fo...@gmail.com: Hi Janko The tagging would be better IMO if we separate feature and use. Hence this proposal to be refined: Feature natural=water or place https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place= ocean

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
So theoretically, we shouldn't ban anything from being mapped (or almost anything). But practically, we don't want people being routed to the nearest toilet that is actually inside a power plant. How do we fix this? One way could be to add a prefix like private: to anything that is by default

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-18 11:38 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: if that toilet is tagged with amenity=toilets it is a tagging error and the tag should be fixed or the object completely removed. The toilets tag is for toilet[s] open to the public. Well, it is a toilet, and it is an

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-18 12:15 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: It would require us to add operator tags to every single object inside another object with the same operator tag, if I got you right. Only to the ones that are by default used by public, so toilets, waste_disposals, and

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-18 12:58 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: the operator doesn't tell you anything about access rights, property structure, publicness etc. It is about the entity _operating_ a feature / object / thing. It doesn't, but it tells you who decides on those things.

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-19 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-19 13:46 GMT+01:00 Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com: I would prefer a different tag as I would not like the lemonade table to be rendered in the same way as a regular filling station. The tag shop=gas with subtag would be better. I like shop, but gas is an aggregate state of

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposed Relationship Area Steps

2015-03-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-09 11:57 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: this looks very complicated to render, because you have to synchronize to flights of steps so that they become one, I guess this will be much easier if you mapped 2 steps instead of this very complex object (doesn't look

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
they have mapped, and to guide mappers in their choice of tags. If you decide to use this layer for different purposes you are guaranteed to have problems. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-09 23:06 GMT+01:00 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: How does it help mappers see what they have mapped to not show a large structure which has been mapped and which is physically present? I didn't say the bridge shouldn't be rendered. I just said it's not default layers job to

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposed Relationship Area Steps

2015-03-05 Thread Janko Mihelić
The left part starts with a tread, and the right one starts with a rise. Janko Mihelić [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stairs#mediaviewer/File:Stairway_Measurements.svg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposed Relationship Area Steps

2015-03-08 Thread Janko Mihelić
vanished. I think this is pretty elegant. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposed Relationship Area Steps

2015-03-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
Dana 9. 3. 2015. 01:48 osoba Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com napisala je: Sorry ... but That assume that the vanishing is done on the lowest way.. it may also be done on the upper way .. or it could be done on both! And it is conceivable for when done on both to have the same nuber of steps side to

Re: [Tagging] Current status of the key smoothness=*

2015-03-12 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think this should be resolved with lots and lots of photos, which the community then segregates into classes. Smoothness on asphalt is something entirely different than smoothness on sand, or smoothness on ground. When a mapper is in doubt, just look at 10 photos which are determined to be

Re: [Tagging] recommend tagging of volcanos as ways rather than nodes

2015-03-30 Thread Janko Mihelić
In a broader sense, volcano is a mountain that appeared after a volcano blew up. The problem is, we don't yet have a way of mapping mountains. There was a suggestion to map a mountain by tagging mountain=xyz on all entities that define a mountain, that is peaks, ridges, mountain passes and such.

Re: [Tagging] volcanic features proposal

2015-03-31 Thread Janko Mihelić
I like the proposal, and would vote for it. uto, 31. ožu 2015. 00:55 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com je napisao: I have lifted the scheme originally proposed by Mike to a proposal page, did not have time for details yet. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Volcanic_features

Re: [Tagging] recommend tagging of volcanos as ways rather than nodes

2015-03-31 Thread Janko Mihelić
Nominatim heavily uses the Wikipedia tag to decide which search result to put in front. So if you write Paris in the search box, Paris, Texas is not going to be the first result. They look at the length of the article, number of translated articles, or something like that. I see no reason

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 Thread Janko Mihelić
What are those toilets? Are they little shacks like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pit_latrines_in_Briqueterie_-_des_latrines_%C3%A1_fosses_%C3%A0_la_Briqueterie,_Yaounde_%283447843124%29.jpg If so, then maybe building=toilet could be the best fit. I've been looking at tags from

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposed Relationship Area Steps

2015-03-05 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-03-05 12:59 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Where the steps (probably at the bottom) meet a street which is itself steeply sloping. The number of steps is not constant across the width and the difference between extreme left and extreme right may be several steps. How

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 Thread Janko Mihelić
If those toilets are private, why do they state if women can use them? Isn't that a private matter up to the owner of the toilette? 2015-03-03 15:04 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com: On 03/03/2015 13:30, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mar 2, 2015 12:07 PM, Bryce Nesbitt

Re: [Tagging] Highway barrier

2015-04-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
Well, the street is likely already tagged with oneway=yes, so we know the direction of spikes. I'll throw out a suggestion: barrier=one_way_spikes. Janko uto, 14. tra 2015. 07:47 Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com je napisao: Take a look at this nasty device that prevents traveling the

Re: [Tagging] Defacto: man_made=storage_tank

2015-04-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
A building=storage_tank only tells you what the building looks like from the outside, and what was it's first purpose. It could very well be an interesting hotel. uto, 14. tra 2015. 07:45 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us je napisao: On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Mateusz Konieczny

Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank

2015-04-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
How do you know the direction of water flow if you don't have the way? Janko uto, 14. tra 2015. 11:45 Torstein Ingebrigtsen Bø torstein...@gmail.com je napisao: Hi, I'm currently importing topological data of Norway to OSM. From the data set we have riverbanks; however, we do not have the

Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank

2015-04-14 Thread Janko Mihelić
Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com je napisao: How do you know the direction of water flow if you don't have the way? Janko uto, 14. tra 2015. 11:45 Torstein Ingebrigtsen Bø torstein...@gmail.com je napisao: Hi, I'm currently importing topological data of Norway to OSM. From the data set we have

Re: [Tagging] Wood+Coastline conflict

2015-04-29 Thread Janko Mihelić
sri, 29. tra 2015. 18:32 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com je napisao: In the case of a mangrove forest, it means exactly what it seems like: there is no other land type between forest and water. I think you should map a mangrove forest over the water, if tree trunks are sticking out

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

2015-05-11 Thread Janko Mihelić
I would be more in favor of a+b) because you might want to tag a place with shop=pastry because 95% of their assortiment is pastry, but they have 5% candy so you add candy=yes. Janko pon, 11. svi 2015. 17:12 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com je napisao: In my experience, most places that

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-10 Thread Janko Mihelić
ned, 10. svi 2015. 14:54 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk je napisao: Really: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Memorial ? Every monument is a memorial, isn't it? Monuments are large memorials. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] How to model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications?

2015-05-07 Thread Janko Mihelić
+1 for solution 1. It's the most future-safe, it's easiest to explain, and most likely not to be misunderstood by new mappers. A few extra nodes is a small price. Janko čet, 7. svi 2015. 18:49 Mike N nice...@att.net je napisao: I tend to migrate toward solution 1 in urban environments.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-07 Thread Janko Mihelić
In Croatia historic=monument is often wrongly used to tag all types of sculptures. Only a dedicated icon for sculptures (tourism=artwork + artwork_type=sculpture) can fix that. Janko čet, 7. svi 2015. 18:05 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com je napisao: On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:11 AM,

Re: [Tagging] Group of islands?

2015-05-17 Thread Janko Mihelić
There was a proposal of the tag cluster recently, and a mailing list thread: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-January/020959.html ned, 17. svi 2015. 17:24 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com je napisao: On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 04:15:02PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Water featuers

2015-05-15 Thread Janko Mihelić
pet, 15. svi 2015. 13:15 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com je napisao: On 15/05/2015 4:55 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: A lot of those end up as natural=water. I suppose man_made=yes could be added. The 'Pool of Reflection' Sydney is simply tagged natural=water name=Pool of Reflection Way: 182625202

Re: [Tagging] Water featuer

2015-05-15 Thread Janko Mihelić
pet, 15. svi 2015. 13:15 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com je napisao: On 15/05/2015 4:55 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: A lot of those end up as natural=water. I suppose man_made=yes could be added. The 'Pool of Reflection' Sydney is simply tagged natural=water name=Pool of Reflection Way: 182625202

Re: [Tagging] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
It maybe controversial, but I think we don't want everyone editing the map. I think we need some barriers to filter out people who are good mappers. Good mappers have to understand this is not a service for them, but a community. They have to understand this is not a drawn map but a database. They

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
This talk by Richard Fairhurst suggests that 5% of mappers do 95% of work. So it's more important to find those few dedicated mappers and make their life easier, than to cater to the 95%. http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68097488 Janko ned, 17. svi 2015. 07:43

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