I suggest we use shopping_centre as a broader term. A mall is a special type of shopping centre (big, enclosed, with amenities). Tagging a mall with shop=shopping_centre isn't wrong, but shop=mall is more specific.
That way we can tag everything that isn't a mall but has several shops together with shopping_centre. Janko Mihelić Dana 22. 10. 2014. 00:22 osoba "John Willis" <jo...@mac.com> napisala je: > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Brad Neuhauser <brad.neuhau...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I was also thinking that landuse=retail makes more sense than either mall > or shopping_centre. If you have a big building enclosing lots of shops, you > can tag it building=mall. > > johnw, I understand the distinction you're making (I would call your > "shopping_centre" a "strip mall", I think). But do you really hear people > use these terms without overlap? Do you have some evidence of this usage? > For example, in wikipedia, the page > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shopping_centres_in_the_United_Kingdom > distinguishes shopping centres (what you're defining as malls) from retail > parks (which you're defining as shopping centres). > > > A strip mall is usually much smaller. It doesn't have any anchor stores. > Although many of them have names, most people refer to the store itself as > their destination. "I'm going to ___shop" > > They would never, ever, ever say "I'm going to the mall" for any of my > shopping centre examples - but that would be the common term for referring > to a large mall. They would also refer to the mall by name - "I love going > to Hanyu Aeon!" - but almost never my def of a shopping_centre. > > Malls are a city-wide or regional shopping attraction, distinct from a > local group of shops on the side of the road. > > If we want to keep these "car centric, amenity free, roadside shopping > areas" (whatever you want to call them) just in landuse=retail, and kill > off shopping_centre, that's fine. But the definition of mall needs to > narrowed a bit to avoid this confusion. > > Even though there is a couple satellite shops in a retail anchor store's > space - anything with a couple shops inside is in no way a mall. Most > really large supermarkets have small rental spots for a bank, florist, > coffee shop,, dry cleaner, or a donut shop. But 3 little stores doesn't > make it a mall. A mall is a big, special place. > > Javbw > > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 8:22 AM, John Willis <jo...@mac.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Oct 21, 2014, at 9:54 PM, Bryan Housel <br...@7thposition.com> wrote: >> >> Your description of a mall as an enclosed place makes sense to me, but >> where I live they seem to call anything a “mall”. >> >> Here is the "Watchung Square Mall”: >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/258702838 >> and the “Valley Mall”: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/256668041 >> (both of those are really shopping centers, not malls) >> >> >> Yea. I tagged the local shopping centre here as a mall, because it has >> mall in the title ><. But I will be changing that. >> >> >> Anyway, I avoid the `shop=mall` and `shop=shopping_centre` completely. I >> usually tag `landuse=retail` for the area and `building=retail` for the >> buildings. >> >> >> Me too, until realizing we have both these these tags. I love landuse=＊so >> much. >> >> >> IMO, `shop=*` should really just be for a single shop. >> >> >> Yea - the mall seems more like retail=* sub tag stuff,if one exists. >> >> Javbw. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 21, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> To me analyzing the given examples it seems as if a mall was necessarily >> a closed place while a shopping center would/could have outdoor >> connectivity. They appear to be similar as they both have several >> independent shops and collective facilities like toilets and parking. Maybe >> a mall has to have restaurants and other eating facilities, while a >> shopping center doesn't have to (but could have). I think small sets of >> shops with collective parking won't qualify as "mall" but they might >> constitute a shopping center. >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > >
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