Re: [Tagging] Tag:bicycle accident=true

2011-08-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/23 Colin Smale : > My point is that all these tags > which are *now* established and widely in use, probably got that way without > discussion and documentation *in advance* but were simply taken into use by > the early contributors and documented afterwards. +1, I also guess that in the e

Re: [Tagging] Tag:bicycle accident=true

2011-08-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/17 Colin Smale : > On 17/08/2011 12:19, Sander Deryckere wrote: >> It has a bad discription, it's a tag for a temporary feature  (at least >> how I interpret it) and it didn't go via the voting process. >> >> So I would just delete it and point the writer to the voting process. >> > Since wh

Re: [Tagging] Tag:bicycle accident=true

2011-08-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
> point the writer to the voting process. I agree that it would be nice to stick closer to the proposal procedure when defining new tags in the wiki. Recently there is lots of pages popping up which try to establish alternative tagging schemes to already in use schemes (I guess that sometimes th

Re: [Tagging] man_made=crane

2011-08-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/18 Steve Bennett : > several cranes sharing the same set of rails, and I think it would be > legitimate to describe the rails and the crane (in some indicative > central position) separately. +1, IMHO there is a key missing for the rails because railway=rail is not the tag we should use fo

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-21 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/18 Pieren : > I also found a related key formal documentation about "taxon": > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:taxon > which deprecates "species" and replaces "genus" by "taxon:genus". > Again more inconsistencies in our documentation... +1, it would be nice if alternatives would be

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-21 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/18 Pieren : > So, you blame my examples but you agree with my suggestion to remove > the tags translations in the wiki. I think that Tobias said this well above: "species:de/en/... might be useful temporarily when someone doesn't know the Latin name (although that's not hard - you can loo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - man_made=billboard

2011-08-20 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/16 Tobias Knerr : > Arthur Lutz wrote: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Billboard > > You should probably talk to the creator of > http://wiki.osm.org/Proposed_features/advertising > > It proposes advertising=billboard (as well advertising=column etc.). > Both tags wou

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a sports club with a closed way

2011-08-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/4 Steve Bennett : > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Dave F. wrote: >> Sports_centre appears to be used for multiple sports. > > Weird, I've always tagged them leisure=sports_centre. I never realised > it's supposed to be for multiple sports. That seems like an > unnecessary restriction? +

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-08-01 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/1 Steve Bennett : > should be usefully shown on a map. I don't know if we have a strict > definition of "building" but I would go with something like "a > man-made structure with walls that is by default inaccessible to the > average pedestrian". generally walls are not a requirement for b

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-07-31 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/31 Pieren : > The OP is about USS Slater in Albany NY > Wikipedia says : "The destroyer closes to the public from December to March > and moves from the Snow Dock to the port's Rensselaer side" ([1]). > A ship moving 2 times a year and tagged as a building OK, I wouldn't necessarily ta

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-07-31 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/31 Pieren : > You can reuse the existing entrance tags. According to the Richard Fairhurst > duck test, if it looks like a ship, is floating like a ship, it's a ship... > not a building magically floating on the water ;-) It's physics, not magic. http://sicarius.typepad.com/althouse/floati

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-07-31 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/5585874 cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-07-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/30 Pieren : > A ship, even static, is not a building. That's tagging for the renderer. it depends which definition of "building" you are applying. Floating buildings might be legally considered buildings in some places. there is already 27 building=ship http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/sea

Re: [Tagging] Named gates

2011-07-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/30 Sander Deryckere : > @Martin: historic=city_gate seems a good tag for city gates indeed, but the > menin gate already has historic=monument, so I'll have to think about it. you could think about removing historic=monument, it doesn't seem appropriate for a gate IMHO. See the wiki: "An

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-07-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/30 Dave F. : > HMS Belfast should help: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=51.506278&lon=-0.081219&zoom=18 > > Take a scoot South-East for a totally over the top mapped/tagged building. > "It was the fault of the government" IMHO building=ship tourism=museum (culture=museum)? Cheer

Re: [Tagging] Named gates

2011-07-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/29 Sander Deryckere : > Well, I just don't know any gates with names, exept city gates like the > Menin gate in Ypres, but they can't be closed and I should not tag it as > barrier=gate but rather as a building. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=historic%3Dcity_gate#tags 200x htt

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-29 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/29 Steve Bennett : > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:58 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> I wonder if this definition which was formerly part of the description >> for highway=unclassified is still valid: > > I love it when people are brave enough to question the semant

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-07-28 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Josh Doe : > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> >> 1) lowered is not the same as "ramp" or "dropped". >> See here: >> http://www.kohl-ratingen.de/images/kohl-markierung/z.299.jpg > > I'm not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-07-28 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Josh Doe : > There's been some recent discussion on the talk page, so please review at > least the four sections starting here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/kerb#Height > > Open issues as I see it include: > 1) Replacing "lowered" with "ramp" or "dropped" >

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Colin Smale : > It sounds like there are three types of street name: > 1) Official, as decided by the Powers That Be > 2) Signed, as displayed on the signs > 3) Colloquial, as people habitually use > > So which one do we put in "name=*", and what do we do with the others? 1) should gene

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-28 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Simone Saviolo : > 2011/7/27 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > Then I can't honestly grasp what this "interconnecting" network is. > Or rather, I think I understand what you mean, but you're not defining it - > you're describing it with a vague term.

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/27 Richard Mann : > When I had a go at re-writing it, I tried to give some clarity on the > boundaries with adjacent values (residential, tertiary, track) - Yes, but on the other hand deleting the cited part changed the definition and made it more difficult to differentiate between unclass

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/27 Simone Saviolo : > 2011/7/27 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > Maybe I'm being picky. What I mean is: we have a worldwide graph of roads, > or a "network" if we want to call it that. A grid network, to me, sounds > like an orthogonal grid, like the one you'd fin

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/27 Simone Saviolo : > IMHO, it's a sentence that is both unclear and wrong. "Interconnecting grid > network" has no significance: if it wasn't interconnecting it wouldn't be a > network, and a grid network is just a specific case of a network but the > unclassified applies to any kind of net

[Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
I wonder if this definition which was formerly part of the description for highway=unclassified is still valid: "Unclassified roads typically form the lowest form of the interconnecting grid network." It was removed here "(Tidying up the struck bits)": http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?ti

[Tagging] implicit maxspeeds

2011-07-26 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
there is currently some wikifiddling going on for implicit maxspeeds. on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed someone adds an "alternative" tagging method like this: * {{Tag|maxspeed||IT:urban}} and {{Tag|source:maxspeed||implicit}} * {{Tag|maxspeed||DE:rural}} and {{Tag|sourc

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addr:territory

2011-07-24 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/25 OSM user : > Hello! > Please, look at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/addr:territory . > I suppose to use this tag for addresses, which doesn't contain name of > some street (for example, there are no street in some villages, there > are addresses ", "). What abou

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Conditions for restriction relations

2011-07-23 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/23 Tobias Knerr : > http://wiki.osm.org/Proposed_features/Conditions_for_restriction_relations I like this proposal and I think it could be extended for weather/road conditions as well (fog, wet surface, etc.) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-20 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/20 Jason Cunningham : > To > keep things simple the convention is, where possible, to stick with > british_english for tags. +1, BE is the general convention for tags in OSM. > Wikipedia has a use for some people, but openstreetmap is not part of > wikipedia.The english pages are also do

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hiking_checkpoint

2011-07-19 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/15 Zsolt Bertalan : > No, I see it as a tourism feature. I don't want to introduce a new > namespace. The other tag (hiking_checkpoint=yes) is only needed in the rare > case if we already have a tourism tag. I agree to the others: don't propose 2 tags for the same thing. As you say, stampi

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/11 Zsolt Bertalan : > My english, tagging and motorway mapping skills are not good enough, but I > want to learn, that's why I ask you the following questions: > - Is beam_barrier a useful addition to this proposal? I think that a beam_barrier is the same thing as a guard_rail but please c

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/11 Steve Doerr : >> Thanks - I was wondering what "visor=hedge" meant! > I wonder if screen=hedge would be what they're looking for? +1 yes, in the mentioned discussion on talk-de it was clarified that "visor" is not suitable for these elements. The mapper told us that he found this word

Re: [Tagging] Introducing Potlatch2 Island - part of the CommonMap group of Islands

2011-07-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/11 Sam Vekemans > definition = A public house, informally known as a pub, is a drinking >> establishment which is part of British,[1][2] Irish,[3] Australian,[4] and >> New Zealand culture. >> where does this come from? The wiki reads: "An establishment that sells >> alcoholic drinks that

Re: [Tagging] Introducing Potlatch2 Island - part of the CommonMap group of Islands

2011-07-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/11 Sam Vekemans > Idea's thoughts? > > I'll be working on this today/tomorrow and work out the layout of one of > the islands, then the rest will follow the same structures > png_url = ttp://too.where.it.is/features/pois/food_pub.n.24.png maybe you can find another key-structure for icon

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/7 Pieren : > And this case, Cour Delepine entrance, Paris: > http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=paris,+Cour+Delepine&hl=fr&ll=48.853267,2.376236&spn=0.001272,0.001982&sll=48.853393,2.376266&sspn=0.002527,0.003964&t=k&z=19&layer=c&cbll=48.853272,2.376236&panoid=QaPsmt8GresisBm_udoo9w&cbp=12,4.87,,0

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/6 Pieren : > http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=paris,+Passage+de+la+Boule+Blanche&hl=fr&ll=48.85134,2.37229&spn=0.001273,0.001982&sll=48.853082,2.370364&sspn=0.002545,0.003964&t=k&z=19&layer=c&cbll=48.851346,2.37229&panoid=M3k9nxcYnp2fn3fpfeP39Q&cbp=12,33.63,,0,-2.44 > > The "Passage de la Boule

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/6 Eugene Alvin Villar : >> well, wikipedia also says that hyphens are sometimes used as diacritics: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic >> >> ;-) > > [off-list] > > Well, I'd certainly like to see you try and convince people that the > hyphen in "drive-through" is actually a diacritic

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Hi Eugene, thank you! cheers, Martin 2011/7/5 Eugene Alvin Villar : > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:59 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> Eugene, I ask you to revert the automated edits you have done in the >> past days concerning drive-throughs, e.g. >> http://www.ope

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 SomeoneElse : > On 04/07/2011 17:14, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> >> OK, I think we have provided ample arguments for both sides. Only >> three of us have debated this point in the last few hours and I'd >> really like to hear other people's thoughts on this so that we can >> gauge if the

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > I'm not advocating for wrong spelling, but I don't think hyphenation > is part of spelling, but of grammar/syntax. Wikipedia says that > "spelling is the writing of one or more words with letters and > diacritics" and hyphens are neither letters nor diacritics but i

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > Your point actually gives us a reason to use underscores instead of > hyphens. If many people can't remember that two words are correctly > hyphenated ("without doing research that a hyphen was correct in the > first place"), why should we force "correct" hyphens wh

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Pieren : > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 3:51 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > I'm using "barrier=door" from time to time when a private service street is > closed by a door (not a gate) or a named path or footway, again when it is > closed physically by a door (

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > I prefer to convert hyphens to underscores so why would I "correct" this? and what do you suggest to convert underscores to? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
btw.: I adjusted the wiki page so that it reflects the original tag and the potlatch preset (JOSM has no preset for this) as well as the English spelling. btw2: The problem is present with drive-in as well. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Taggi

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > 81 instances of denomination=latter_day_saints > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/denomination=latter_day_saints see below > 331 instances of denomination=seventh_day_adventist > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/denomination=seventh_day_adventist > 1 in

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 fly : > Am 04.07.2011 13:03, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: >> 2011/7/2 Gary Gallagher : >>> I like the proposal. I'm always coming across barriers I can't adequately >>> tag. The section that also caught my eye was the bit near the end about >>>

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Anthony wrote: >> Besides, the fact that someone made a mistake back in 2007 is not a >> good reason to make a similar mistake today.  There's no good reason >> to replace hyphens with underscores. > > There are plenty of good reason

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/1 Brad Neuhauser : > just an FYI, one hyphenated tag still on the wiki & in use is > amenity=parking, parking=multi-storey There is many more of them. I propose to use service=drive-through to follow our standard recommendations (BE, no abbrevs, underscores instead of spaces, hyphens where

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/3 Stephen Hope : > Maybe these are better examples of what I meant, though I have seen > the others in use in the same role. > > http://www.zjeastsea.com/en/lane-divider.html > http://www.roadstud.com.cn/road-studs/61.html > > I wouldn't call them bollards - bollard implies to me something t

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/2 Gary Gallagher : > I like the proposal. I'm always coming across barriers I can't adequately > tag. The section that also caught my eye was the bit near the end about > subtags like barrier:key=yes/no/number. I've been trying to tag in useful > ways for the blind and was wondering whether

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/1 Paul Johnson : > On 06/30/2011 05:35 PM, Stephen Hope wrote: >> How about lane dividers?  This is an example below, though where I'm >> thinking of them they actually divide a couple of lanes for about a km >> or so - no lane changing allowed at that point. >> http://www.ingalcivil.com.au/

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/1 Nathan Edgars II : >> thank you for this comment Paul. I overlooked this and will change it >> the next days. I guess the thing on the pic is a kind of guard_rail >> (probably could be subtagged). I didn't put this picture in myself and >> it is not showing what I had in mind when suggesti

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/30 Paul Johnson : > The rope barrier pictured is actually a crash fence commonly used as a > cost saving measure on motorway medians in the US. thank you for this comment Paul. I overlooked this and will change it the next days. I guess the thing on the pic is a kind of guard_rail (probabl

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-06-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/30 Eugene Alvin Villar : > Yes and no. It's true that we use underscores simply because we > substitute spaces with underscores. But there's actually a precedent > for substituting an underscore for a hyphen and this is the tag for > specifying power sub-stations (created back in 2007): > ht

[Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Folk, I rediscovered an old proposal which is extending the set of barrier values. Please comment now on this, before we can eventually vote to get this to a more definite status: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types Cheers, Martin _

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-06-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/30 Eugene Alvin Villar : > In April 2010, I first suggested having another value (namely, > service=drive_thru) for the service=* tag for drive-through lanes > similar to service=parking_aisle: > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-April/001710.html > Based on the response

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-06-29 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/29 David Murn : > Well, technically if were mapping whats on the ground, a lot of > restaurant signs say "Drive thru".  The wiki has a redirect from > drive_thru to drive_through, with 4 occurances of 'drive thru' on the > page, but no explanation about why the tag uses the British English >

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/25 John Smith : > Wasn't there some discussion about that before, how important airports > such as LAX should show sooner than regional airports which should > show up sooner than grass airstrips. Yes, the discussions and proposals are endless for this. Suggestions are usually that you sho

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
what about introducing a kerb:height ? Implying heights from values like "yes", "raised", "normal" will probably not be very reliable or stable as this might vary from country to country and also in different cities/neighbourhoods. cheers, Martin ___ Ta

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/22 Pieren : > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Josh Doe wrote: >> >> I removed the yes and no values, because I couldn't see any utility, >> instead offering the "unknown" value. >> > > I don't think it is a good idea. In fact, the 'yes' value is widely used in > OSM when you don't know the

Re: [Tagging] Missing only_u_turn?

2011-06-19 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/19 Andre Engels : > And in that case, only_left_turn or > only_right_turn would seem applicable. +1 cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Nathan Edgars II : > It would be more useful to say why they should avoid, like maxheight=*. btw.: maxheight is a legal restriction as well. Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tag

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Flaimo : > the wiki page doesn't say that the restriction need to be of a legal > kind. How else can you interpret: "Description For describing the legal accessibility of an element." ? > access=no could also mean that it is physically not accessible > even though it might be allowed

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Sander Deryckere : > It's Paul Johnson who introduced the tag, not Nathan. > > Your comment is right, but you should point it to Paul Johnson instead. yes, I saw this, he kept it, so they're sitting in the same boat ;-) Cheers, Martin ___ Ta

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Nathan Edgars II : > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83524747/history > No comment. you are actually missusing the access-tag because it is intended for legal restrictions and not for recommendations. Why not use another tag? Their number is not limited... cheers, Martin _

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Club

2011-06-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/8 John Smith : > On 8 June 2011 10:08, David Murn wrote: >> In Australia, 'going to the club' means (generally) going to a licenced >> members-only venue, this is true for many parts of the world I believe, and why I questioned the actual decision for "club" as key (but still supporting t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Club

2011-06-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/7 Alessio Zanol : > In data lunedì 6 giugno 2011 15:13:42, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: >> A last side note: someone mentioned recently on the German ML that >> sport=xy should not be used to describe any kinds of sports but only >> places where you actually ca

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-08 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/7 Steve Bennett : > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Brad Neuhauser > wrote: >> I think it'd make sense to broaden the definition: >> "Sleeping and living quarters provided by an institution for (large numbers >> of) people associated with that institution.  For example, housing for >> univ

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/6 Brad Neuhauser : > If you want to split that hair, "sleeping_quarters" would be a lot more > clear in English than dormitorium.  From your earlier comment on quarters, > it sounds like you might be confused by this term, but "quarters" can apply > to a single structure or part of a structu

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/6 Brad Neuhauser : > why not just stick with building=residential then? actually in the case of a monastery I would prefer dormitory because it is a dedicated place for sleeping, not for living. There are other buildings for other aspects of "residential" in a monastery from which I would

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/6 Brad Neuhauser : > I think it'd make sense to broaden the definition: > "Sleeping and living quarters provided by an institution for (large numbers > of) people associated with that institution.  For example, housing for > university students." in the case of a monastery it is not a quar

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Club

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/6 Alessio Zanol : > Hello, > this is my feature proposal: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Club > > Please discuss here or even better in the discussion page on the > wiki. I think that here is a better place to have discussions, that's why I reply here. I like this

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/5 Steve Bennett : > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:10 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> I have at least 2 problems with this definition: >> >> 1. It doesn't seem to be a British English term (at least not with >> this definition) >> 2. It seems to excl

Re: [Tagging] steps as access to water, and waterfront

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/4 David Murn : > On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 15:36 +0200, Martijn van Exel wrote: >> Hi, >> >> How would you tag steps that provide access to water? See here: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhodes/5793021284 > > Im trying to map a similar situation, except in my case the bottom 2 > steps are unde

[Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
I am currently preparing a proposal for monasteries and part of them is generally also a dormitory. By looking up the wiki I found this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Ddormitory which does limit the use to "sleeping and living quarters for University students, provided by th

Re: [Tagging] steps as access to water, and waterfront

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/3 Josh Doe : > I would use highway=steps on the steps, and highway=footway for the > walk along the water. Yes, but probably not on the ladder that gives you access to (or from) the water. I'd tag this on a node (the alternative would be to draw a way with 2 nodes, set layer-tags to the no

Re: [Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/3 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer : > A first draft for monasteries can be found here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/monastery > (I am currently working on this, and will extend the content this afternoon). OK, I arrived at a point where this should be reviewed b

Re: [Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
A first draft for monasteries can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/monastery (I am currently working on this, and will extend the content this afternoon). Btw.: I found another argument against the use of a community-tag (against the tag name): there seem to be a

Re: [Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Vincent, thank you for your valueable feedback. 2011/6/1 Vincent Pottier : >>> looking at the available data and in the wiki I'm currently missing >>> some tags for monasteries. > They are different things to be tagged : > * the building, that can be tagged in building=monastery ou building=conve

Re: [Tagging] etymology of street names

2011-06-01 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/1 Peter Wendorff : > Why not include a weblink to the "reason for the name"? > That could be a wikipedia-link to the page of the person the name comes from > - or something else. The key could be "eponym", but personally I don't see necessity for this. cheers, Martin

[Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

2011-05-31 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
looking at the available data and in the wiki I'm currently missing some tags for monasteries. All I found is this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmonastery which suggests to tag former monasteries as historic=monastery and the monastery building as monastery=yes. If I see this

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tower:type=lighting proposal

2011-05-31 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/27 Eugene Alvin Villar : > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:46 PM, John Smith wrote: >> "I propose the following new tag {{tag|tower:type|lighting}} as follows:" >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tag:man_made%3Dtower&diff=next&oldid=639593 > > Would this also include stree

Re: [Tagging] Building life cycle

2011-05-31 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/29 Mihkel Rämmel : > If it is not right then please correct me. you can also have a look at start_date which would be inauguration or start of usage of the building. > Would building=yes ruins=yes (3000 uses)  and  building=ruins (850 > uses) mean the same?  Which one would be better to

Re: [Tagging] Residential gardens: deprecate leisure=garden, suggest alternative

2011-05-23 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/23 Tobias Knerr : > This implies that the landuse=residential tag would be used on > smale-scale structures, which I believe should not be done. landuses are > large-scale areas. When you create a landuse polygon for an individual > building or garden, you are doing something wrong, imo. +

Re: [Tagging] URL to view specific Relation version?

2011-05-19 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/20 Dave F. : > Hi > > There's a URL to view specific relation versions. Something like: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1318928/version/2 this is not a question for tagging. The answer is: http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/1318928/2 cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistencesfishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-19 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/18 Sam Vekemans : > I'll also include a Wikipedia word-definition for each value, as the aim for > this is to not duplicate into other languages, but to 'look at' what the > other language pages have done, then to a google-translate and fill in the > details. You can of course include wiki

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistencesfishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/18 : > In American usage, seafood covers all aquatic-origin food, whether from fresh > water, estuaries, or the ocean. In the context of OSM I am more interested in the British usage. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreet

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addr keys (2011-04)

2011-05-17 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/17 Flaimo : > something like that should be handled in a seperate proposal, though i > think most of your examples are covered with addr:housename. none of this is covered by addr:housename. addr:housename is for individual names (like "Windsor Castle"), not for descriptions. cheers, Mart

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/17 David Murn : > I think fishmonger is the shop/retailer, seafood is the product. would you use seafood for freshwater fish? And if yes, also if they sell only freshwater fish? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/16 David Murn : > I agree.  I think seafood is a more generic proposal than 'fishmonger' > which may not be understood as widely. I recall this vivid discussion where in the end it was agreed on shop=seafood (with myself not beeing extremely happy about it, because I'd personally consider

Re: [Tagging] Tagging split exit ramps

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
isn't this information a router could gain from the data simply by looking where the ramp leads to? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addr keys (2011-04)

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/14 Flaimo : > any other comments on that proposal? otherwise i'll start the voting phase: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/addr_keys_%282011-04%29 Yes. You are currently concentrating on the micro level, but there could be a suggestion for the intermediate scale bet

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-13 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/13 Nathan Edgars II : > On 5/13/2011 6:47 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > An emergency vehicle could also cross a grass median if there's no raised > barrier. yes, and a person can jump over a 2ft wall and climb a 8ft wall. A series of bollards is no barrier to bicycles a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-13 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/13 Nathan Edgars II : > OK, but there's still the issue of a so-called "flush median". I think in a > rural area with few intersections this would be called a dual carriageway. I > can't find an image, but Interstate 90 used to have one over Lookout Pass in > Idaho. You can imagine http://ww

Re: [Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url*

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Flaimo : > when was the topic of webcams ever mentioned? they are part of the contact-proposal. I mentioned them to point out, that even if everyone followed this proposal and added "contact:" to some of the tags, this wouldn't improve overall consistency. > contact information and wh

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 fly : > What do we do with dual-carriage ways ? > Sometimes there exist paved connections between both directions. Maybe > blocked by a barrier but that is no need. if they are constantly connected (no change of the paving, no physical barrier) it's actually not a dual-carriage way. If

Re: [Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url*

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Flaimo : > the reason for that might be, than no editor supports the contact: > syntax. personally, i always use it and type it in manually without > the JOSM preset, because it makes locating all the contact information > in long tag lists much easier. OSM allows everybody to tag whate

Re: [Tagging] Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Sean Horgan : > I personally like when OSM definitions are linked to other references, > especially a well-known source like wikipedia. at least then link to a specific version of an article. > From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/social+service: > social service > n. > 1. Organized

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 : > Also, sidewalks are not always directly next to the driving lanes.  There are > sometimes grassy borders between the driving lanes and the sidewalk.   > Typically, this is a meter or so, but can be wider.  On one street here in > Nashville, Tennessee, USA, the sidewalk is about thr

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - voting - childcare

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Flaimo : > i changed the main key to service_times, but i kept the subkey. > otherwise it would be problematic in case someone want to tag the > office hours separately. IMHO the key service_times refers to the feature, which is children daycare in this case. There is no need to namespa

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