Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Fords and how to provide information to help with routing apps

2023-07-06 Thread Matija Nalis
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 18:00:26 +1000, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 5/7/23 03:38, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: >> ford=impassable makes no sense >> ford is by definition a passable place across waterway, if >> something is impassable then it is not a ford Agreed... and when not

Re: [Tagging] amenity=bbq without grill/grate ?

2023-06-09 Thread Matija Nalis
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 18:50:21 -0500, Kevin Broderick wrote: > It makes sense to me if the feature is clearly intended to be a > BBQ/grilling one, but the grill is missing. One such example that comes to > mind is a state park with picnic tables and grill boxes where 1/3 of the > latter are

[Tagging] [Voting] Deprecate maxspeed:seasonal:winter

2023-06-06 Thread Matija Nalis
Voting has started on the proposal to deprecate maxspeed:seasonal:winter. Please vote on the wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Deprecate_maxspeed:seasonal:winter (posted here by request of arrival-spring in

Re: [Tagging] Is tagging of fuel: assumed to be exhaustive?

2023-04-19 Thread Matija Nalis
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 00:47:21 +0200, Marc_marc wrote: > Le 19.04.23 à 14:19, Matija Nalis a écrit : >> I think that my point remains that: >> - one method is clear and unambiguous ("fuel:lpg=no") >> - one method is not clear / is ambiguous ("fuel=octane_98;dies

Re: [Tagging] Proposed automated edit of some barrier=kerb kerb=raised nodes (forum crosspost)

2023-04-19 Thread Matija Nalis
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 09:23:42 +0200, Marc_marc wrote: > Le 19.04.23 à 03:04, Matija Nalis a écrit : >> following the automated edit code of conduct? > following it mean to use the correct place for that : the talk ml :) Oops, sorry, wrong OSM ML starting with "ta". :) Now p

Re: [Tagging] Is tagging of fuel: assumed to be exhaustive?

2023-04-19 Thread Matija Nalis
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 13:17:41 +0200, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > Matija Nalis: >> e.g. if "fuel=octane_98;diesel" was tagged, it would be ambiguous - does >> it mean that there there is no LPG, or that the mapper didn't care to survey >> that separated area of

Re: [Tagging] Is tagging of fuel: assumed to be exhaustive?

2023-04-19 Thread Matija Nalis
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 13:17:41 +0200, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > Matija Nalis: >> e.g. if "fuel=octane_98;diesel" was tagged, it would be ambiguous - does >> it mean that there there is no LPG, or that the mapper didn't care to survey >> that separated area of

[Tagging] Proposed automated edit of some barrier=kerb kerb=raised nodes (forum crosspost)

2023-04-18 Thread Matija Nalis
In https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/proposed-edit-of-some-barrier-kerb-kerb-raised-nodes/98038 user @osmuser63783 proposes proposed automated edit: -- If you’ve been reading my posts about kerb tagging (1, 2), then you already know that StreetComplete places kerb=raised by itself on a

Re: [Tagging] Is tagging of fuel: assumed to be exhaustive?

2023-04-18 Thread Matija Nalis
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 17:08:39 +0200, Marc_marc wrote: > Le 18.04.23 à 16:53, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit : >> Is tagging of fuel: assumed to be exhaustive? > > no, some contributors will fill in what they are interested in, > others will fill in everything that is visible (and may not >

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:51:57 +0200 (CEST), Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > why only "notable"? I guess it might be because otherwise one might encourage putting "tourism=artwork" + "artwork_type=graffiti" every few meters on any random piece of street furniture, bridge, walls, subways,

[Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Public Transport: Auditory Information

2023-03-03 Thread Matija Nalis
This proposal aims to establish multiple tags to gather different types of auditory information that may be provided at a public transport stop and/or platforms. It is being discussed at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport:_Auditory_Information [forwarding on

Re: [Tagging] tactile_paving=* on highway=steps ?

2023-02-23 Thread Matija Nalis
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 12:46:07 +0100, Matija Nalis wrote: > Triggered by this StreetComplete quest suggestion: > https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3534 FYI, it is also being discussed at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:tactile_paving#how_to_mark_on_st

[Tagging] amenity=bbq without grill/grate ?

2023-02-23 Thread Matija Nalis
Recently, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:grate has been documented with some 232 uses, to map whether `leisure=firepit` and `amenity=bbq` have a grate (AKA cooking grate / grill / cooking grid). While it might be useful for `leisure=firepit`, I do not think it makes sense for

[Tagging] tactile_paving=* on highway=steps ?

2023-02-23 Thread Matija Nalis
Triggered by this StreetComplete quest suggestion: https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3534 I was wondering how people would prefer to tag tactile paving which is often present at bottom and top of the `highway=steps` (pictures in link above)? It seems to me

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Replace `*:signed` suffix key with `signed:*` prefix key

2023-02-18 Thread Matija Nalis
On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 03:10:31 +0100, Marc_marc wrote: > Le 17.02.23 à 01:38, Matija Nalis a écrit : >> Cross-posting from the forum: > > thanks... we see the community split : > no reply from the other to the previous message > due to the fragmentation of several unconnect

Re: [Tagging] dry swamps

2023-02-18 Thread Matija Nalis
On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 21:08:17 +1100, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 17/2/23 12:13, Matija Nalis wrote: >> I see few options. If it happens more regularly, map as: >> >> - If it happens more regularly, map as: natural=wetland + intermittent=yes >> - if

Re: [Tagging] dry swamps

2023-02-16 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 21:07:22 +1100, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > The ‘dry swamp’ has no apparent way to tag it. These will not be found > in Europe, just as you don’t find deserts there. > > They have occasional water, not seasonal, not yearly but, say, between 5 > to 20 years they

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Replace `*:signed` suffix key with `signed:*` prefix key

2023-02-16 Thread Matija Nalis
Cross-posting from the forum: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/rfc-feature-proposal-replace-signed-suffix-key-with-is-signed-prefix-key/8459/45 Voting on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Replace_*:signed_with_is_signed:* has now started. -- Opinions above are

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-02-01 Thread Matija Nalis
If the actual issue is that HGV cannot pass some road, why not simply mark it as `hgv=no`? Besides being simple, it has the additional advantage that routers will actually already use it and direct HGVs somewhere where they can actually pass. Or if some lenghts of HGVs can pass, but others

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

2022-11-23 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 17:54:42 -0800, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Vào lúc 17:24 2022-11-19, Matija Nalis đã viết: >> Because, someone has to do that summarizing work for extra channels to make >> sense, and it is IMHO only fair that would >> be proposal author (expecting that EVERYB

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

2022-11-23 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 10:01:23 +0100 (CET), Cartographer10 via Tagging wrote: >> Question is: did you then collect all the points those extra communities >> made (both those you agreed with, and those >> that you didn't agree with), and summarized them on wiki /talk page, for >> extra period of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

2022-11-23 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 19:10:07 +0100 (CET), Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: >> the first and foremost reason for the tagging mailing list to exist was the >> desire to offload tagging discussions on a central place, off the other >> channels, because people there felt overwhelmed with the

Re: [Tagging] wheel baths for disinfection

2022-11-20 Thread Matija Nalis
On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 08:58:29 +0800, Timeo Gut wrote: > Wheel baths for disinfection are used to prevent the spread of diseases > in agricultural areas. They're most often found at roads and tracks that > go through plantations or farms but sometimes also at administrative > boundaries along

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

2022-11-19 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:52:45 +0200, Dimitar wrote: > > What evidence do you have that is the case?  What is being provided is > > energy, not power. > > From Cambridge dictionary: > energy - the power from something such as electricity or oil that can do > work, such as providing light and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

2022-11-19 Thread Matija Nalis
On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:21:07 -0800, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Vào lúc 17:39 2022-11-18, Matija Nalis đã viết: >> 1 on twitter and 2 on OSM Diary of proposer. Do you spot the problem here? >> Because I do. > > No one has seriously proposed to make a Twitter announcement p

Re: [Tagging] care services

2022-11-19 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 13:12:09 +0100, Georges Dutreix via Tagging wrote: > I don't think that this liste is good. These tags are primary tags. When > a restaurant offers different "cuisines" you won't map different POI's > with restaurant=chinese and restaurant=japanese, ... You will have only

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

2022-11-19 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 12:12:22 +0100 (CET), Cartographer10 via Tagging wrote: > I always had good discussion on several platforms for my proposal. Each > community or person has another view > which I collect this way. Nobody (at least I hope) questions that extra communities (or extra persons

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

2022-11-18 Thread Matija Nalis
Have you managed to do it yet? Could you post the URL, if so? On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 07:06:10 +0100 (CET), Cartographer10 via Tagging wrote: > Thanks for the reminder. I indeed forgot to update the title after i changed > the proposal. Will do that soon. > >> But before we get that far, I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Start moving proposal announcements to the new forum

2022-11-18 Thread Matija Nalis
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 08:49:46 -0500, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 2:49 AM Marc_marc wrote: >> We can see it with the osm-fr experience: the immature forum has split >> the community, far from federating > > Thank you for clearly describing the root cause of your

Re: [Tagging] care services

2022-11-18 Thread Matija Nalis
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:39:07 +0100, Georges Dutreix via Tagging wrote: > How would you tag the office of a company providing personnal services > or care services at home, > like gardener, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=gardener > cleaning,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

2022-11-18 Thread Matija Nalis
On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 14:31:42 -0700, Mike Thompson wrote: > Technically what the electric utility is selling is energy, not power. One > gets billed for kilowatt-hours, not kilowatts. Well, it depends on the country. Over here in Croatia, you have to pay for max power too (by choosing which

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

2022-11-18 Thread Matija Nalis
Regarding deprecation of old tags, please follow this Discourse thread too: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/changing-rfc-time-for-proposals-including-deprecation/5661 On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 22:04:59 +0200, Dimitar wrote: > Link to the community forum thread: >

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-11-14 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 17:00:42 +0100, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: > Is this proposal functionally any different from the water outlet > proposal? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Water_outlet You mean the one that was cancelled because it was a duplicate of already

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Historic

2022-11-14 Thread Matija Nalis
Also, I'm not sure if it was mentioned by proponents here, but Voting on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Historic has been re-started. (also note that initial votes have been nullified by proponents; so if you voted before, you might have to do it again). On a personal

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread Matija Nalis
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 10:18:01 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > The push button fountain variant is horrible, you can hardly drink from it, > can not wash your hands, particularly the > hand that you use to push the button, and even filling a bottle is harder > than with the continuous flow.

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-28 Thread Matija Nalis
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 16:43:07 +1100, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 28/10/22 06:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> there was a discussion about this, tap was seen as a distinguishing property >> that is yet missing. Handle is similar but not the same (handle is the thing >> you touch,

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-27 Thread Matija Nalis
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 23:45:34 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> On 26 Oct 2022, at 21:29, Paul Johnson wrote: >> Drinking fountains are switch or knob operated and shoot at an angle. > > these are assumptions based on your experiences that don’t hold true around > here, most drinking

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bench: replace seats by capacity

2022-10-10 Thread Matija Nalis
On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 14:20:09 +0200 (CEST), Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > This revert makes sense to me. > > BTW, one may count both seats and capacity on benches, why not One might even decide to tag https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:length instead (or in addition) to `seats`,

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-10 Thread Matija Nalis
On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 20:13:00 -0700, stevea wrote: > Water "tap" implies at least some (even if crude) control of the flow. And if one wants to define exactly how that flow is controlled, there is: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:handle and other tags, like: