Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

2024-04-29 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
is a data consumer supposed to infer from this as opposed to just highway=steps? As long as foot=designated, aren't cyclists always allowed to get off the bike and push/carry it? And wouldn't they have to when there are steps? Jens On 28/04/2024 21:35, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote: H

Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

2024-04-29 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Hi,   They are, indeed, quite "long".  I do not own a horse, nor have I seen one use this section of bridleway, however, I guess that, with each step having only a modest "rise" and a long "run", horses should have little difficulty walking up or down them, just as we do.  key:flat_step *might*

Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

2024-04-28 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote: Advice, please. A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial imagery) steps going down before it passes under a road bridge, and a similar number up again on the other side. How can I best tag this?  According to the wiki, "highway=steps&q

Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

2024-04-28 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Neale via Tagging wrote: A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial imagery) steps going down before it passes under a road bridge, and a similar number up again on the other side. How can I best tag this?  According to the wiki, "highway=steps" seems to be *an a

[Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

2024-04-28 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Advice, please. A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial imagery) steps going down before it passes under a road bridge, and a similar number up again on the other side. How can I best tag this?  According to the wiki, "highway=steps" seems to be *an alternative to*, not *a

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Documenting feet as an an optional elevation unit

2024-01-28 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
0.3048 m according to my ConvertPad app on my phone - and according to Wikipedia (so that must be true!) Regards,Peter (PeterPann99) On Sunday, 28 January 2024 at 19:36:06 GMT, Philip Barnes wrote: The legal definition of a foot is of course  0.348 m. "Since an international

Re: [Tagging] Tagging proposal On Wheels app 4 - Elevators wheelchair users

2023-05-13 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Hi again, Similar to my comment on your proposal for "parking_space:width=*"; if the object that you are adding the tag to is the elevator ("highway=elevator" in your Subject Line), surely all you need is ""door_width=*", "width=*", "length=*" and "wheelchair_button="?  You do not need to

[Tagging] Fw: Tagging proposal On Wheels app 3 - Parking spaces for wheelchair users

2023-05-13 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Hi, What object are you proposing to tag in this way?   Maybe I am missing something here, but if the object that you are mapping is a parking space, then surely all you need is "width=*" and "length=*"? I would think that you only need "parking_space:width=*" and "parking_space:length=*" if

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-14 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Well, to me, "type of ownership" suggests values such as "freehold"; "leasehold"; "rented", which I _don't_ think is what is intended. I think we should avoid the word "type" if at all possible.  Regards,Peter(PeterPan99) On Friday, 14 April 2023 at 08:07:44 BST, Jens Glad Balchen via

Re: [Tagging] Combining "locked=yes" with various access tags

2023-02-22 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Hi @Mateusz, Thank you for clarifying the meaning of "=permit".  I will have to think again how to tag these ways.  If I have used Taginfo correctly there are "only" 1503 ways with "description=redway", which I might have tagged like this!  Regards,Peter(PeterPan99) On Wednesday, 22 February

Re: [Tagging] Combining "locked=yes" with various access tags

2023-02-21 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
I my area (Milton Keynes, UK) there are numberous pairs of bollards, where one is fixed, but the other can be removed after unlocking a padlock, to which I understand the Fire Service have a universal key. These bollards are used on shared Foot / Cycleways, where they join or cross roads and

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-02-02 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
, and that attracts regularly articulated lorries like the cheese attracts flies. This triggered the question. Il giorno mer 25 gen 2023 alle ore 19:10 Peter Neale via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> ha scritto: According to the Wiki (with which I happen to agree), a mini-round

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-01-25 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
According to the Wiki (with which I happen to agree), a mini-roundabout is defined as: "...a special type of roundabout in which the middle can be traversed by vehicles, and is typically used where there is only limited space available. Road traffic flows in one direction around a point in the

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

2022-12-30 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
+1 PeterPan99 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 at 20:02, Dave F via Tagging wrote: On 29/12/2022 09:47, Warin wrote: > Hi, > > I think the 'names' should be removed from these 'unnamed' things > ..the 'name' is the name of the route not the individual tracks/paths >

Re: [Tagging] scope of emergency=dry_riser_inlet

2022-12-11 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Call me old fashioned, but I think that we should only use "dry_riser_inlet" for the inlet to a riser that is... ...wait for it...   ...well, that is dry!  If that means that we needs few more tags to convey more information, then so be it. Regards,Peter PeterPan99 On Sunday, 11

Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?

2022-11-08 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
I agree; whilst we often need to explain, or refine, a definition in the Wiki, we should NOT radically change the definitions of words.  "Marine" means "relating to or found in the sea" (Oxford Dictionaries), so we should not re-define it to mean "relating to any watery object". The Wiki should

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Historic

2022-10-12 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Pan99) On Wednesday, 12 October 2022 at 15:15:20 BST, Marc_marc wrote: Le 12.10.22 à 09:55, Peter Neale via Tagging a écrit : > historic is an attribute of an object that IS something else what's "something else" is a his

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Historic

2022-10-12 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
toric=military, as they are no longer military installations. Yes, they certainly were, but they aren't any more.   On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 at 00:07, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote: Many ruins and memorials are "of historic interest" it is true, but that could be tagged as a property ("

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Historic

2022-10-11 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
IMHO "historic" should not be a primary key at all.  Many ruins and memorials are "of historic interest" it is true, but that could be tagged as a property ("historic=yes") of the object "man_made=" . What about a modern memorial?  Can that be "of historic interest", if it is only 2 years old? 

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-10 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
lúc 03:08 2022-10-09, Peter Neale via Tagging đã viết: > A tap is a device to control the flow of whatever liquid (or gas, I > suppose) is coming out.  Potable water, non-potable water; lemonade; > petrol (gasoline), Oxygen, whatever... I think you're joking about the lemon

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

2022-10-10 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
>So "water tap" is referring only to control mechanism that enables user to >start water flow?>(and sometimes also stop water flow) >Not to entire water delivery apparatus? Yes!, Just like my house HAS a door (which controls entry and leaving), but my house IS_NOT a door. So a water-delivery

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

2022-10-09 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
No, it would not "turn them into taps", but it WOULD mean that a tap is present as part of the structure of the device.  "amenity=drinking_water; tap=yes".  The water is potable and you have to operate a tap to make it flow (so you may be OK to get a drink, but your dog might struggle and need

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:55 Uhr schrieb Peter Neale via Tagging : If the user cannot control the flow, there is NOT a "tap" present.  around here, the typical drinking fountain is an iron cast column with permanent flow. There is a water tap inside

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
+1 The "tap" is the device to control the flow.  Often, but not necessarily, at the end of the pipe.  If the user cannot control the flow, there is NOT a "tap" present.  Regards,Peter(PeterPan 99) On Wednesday, 28 September 2022 at 08:28:34 BST, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Mi., 28.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-20 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
I agree. To be called a "pillow", it would have to be soft and not rigid.  IIRC there are traffic calming "pillows" that are filled with air and deflate, if you drive over them slowly, but remain inflated, if you drive over at speed.  I regret that I cannot find a reference to them at the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-11-27 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
>Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 12:08:25 -0500 >From: "Brian M. Sperlongano" >To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" >    >Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards >Message-ID:     >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >Niels, thanks for the list. >I was able to find

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

2020-10-05 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
>Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 09:24:29 +0100 >From: Philip Barnes >To: tagging@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct  >   marketing) >Message-ID:     <9a4ded38d9d06eb2351967a6b36f22d2c4e73497.ca...@trigpoint.me.uk> >Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: [Tagging] .Re: tagging drinking water of unclear official (signed)

2020-09-07 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
I'm not arguing against "drinking water", just against "portable water" (water that can be carried) Peter Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 11:42, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 7. Sep 2020, at 07:55, Peter Neale via Tagging w

[Tagging] .Re: tagging drinking water of unclear official (signed)

2020-09-06 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
I dont know about the USA, but in British English, "portable" means that it can be carried.  If you can drink it, it is "potable". >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 01:57:56 +0300 >From: 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru >To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"  >    >Subject: Re: [Tagging] 

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - 3rd and 4th rail

2020-06-11 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
At the risk of being called pedantic, or frivolous, surely it should be, "1st+2nd+3rd+4th rail" (after all, it won't work without the 1st and 2nd rails)! ...or (almost getting serious now) we could just assume that, if the 3rd rail is mentioned, then the 1st and 2nd must be there (otherwise it

Re: [Tagging] Features underwater (inside reservoirs)

2020-06-08 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
>Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 11:31:20 +0200 >From: Cornelis >To: tagging@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [Tagging] Features underwater (inside reservoirs) >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" >This thread is a great help to me, as I recently discovered this

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Like Dave, I am not sure that I see a huge issue with a name and a reference duplicating each other (or at least overlapping). Names and References are essentially doing the same job; they identify "things"; they are proper nouns. We probably expect a name to be a word (or words) and a reference

Re: [Tagging] (Un)removable Bollards

2020-02-17 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Where I live, we have an extensive network of non-segregated shared Foot / Cycle paths, known locally as "Redways" (and they are surfaced in red asphalt).  They have thin metal bollards at all junctions with roads.  I think their purposes are: 1.  to warn cyclists to give way before crossing

Re: [Tagging] Unremovable Bollards

2020-02-16 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
I sympathise with you in your existential crisis. I found 2 instances of "bollard=no" in te UK and found that they are next to each other and part of a set of 3 bollards.  The third is tagged "bollard=fixed".  So perhaps the 2 "bollard=no" are meant to be "bollard =not_fixed", or perhaps

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
at 17:09, Peter Neale via Tagging > wrote: "abstain  /əbˈsteɪn/verb[...] Powered by Oxford Dictionaries" So an abstention is NOT a vote >I thought I gave a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstention>but I must >have forgotten.  I'll include the relevant parts her

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 125, Issue 38

2020-02-06 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
>Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 10:59:59 -0500 >From: Jmapb >To: Paul Allen , "Tag discussion, strategy and >    related tools" >Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box >Message-ID: <1f291f4c-ccbf-34eb-99de-d1fa69570...@gmx.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8;

[Tagging] How to tag the Electric Vehicle Experience Centre?

2020-02-04 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
In Milton Keynes, a shop space in the Central Milton Keynes shopping mall (or , "centre:mk", as we like to call it) is occupied by the Electric Vehicle Experience Centre https://evexperiencecentre.co.uk/ It looks like a car sales showroom, but their home page says,  "We are the UK’s first brand

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

2020-02-03 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
>Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 08:59:40 +0100>>From: Martin Koppenhoefer >>>To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools">    >>Subject: Re: [Tagging] change >bicycle_parking=floor to surface>Message-ID: ><8aa7582f-13d3-486c-9c47-87ca8a1f8...@gmail.com>>Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: [Tagging] lateral protection of foot bridge

2019-12-23 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
You talk of a "lateral projection" (i.e.projection to the side).  I would say that is just part of the bridge, even if it an extension in a different material, as seems to be the case here. Then you talk of "handrail" and "fence".  IMHO there is a fence on each side of the footpath, which you

[Tagging] junction=approach

2019-10-12 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Looking around my local area and trying to fix issues flagged by the iD editor, I came across a number of road sections on the approach to roundabouts, tagged as “junction=approach”.  I can find no documentation in the Wiki to support this usage and it seems illogical to me, as “junction=*”

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Our local Primary School (ages 4 - 11 years, just in case there is any doubt) has shade sails over part of the playground to protect the little darlings from the sun whilst playing outside.  You would not get as very warm welcome, if you turned up there in your bikini, or budgie smugglers,

[Tagging] Junction=Approach

2019-10-09 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Help, please. I have been wandering around my local area in OSM (from my armchair), looking for things that need fixing, which I either know about from going past them every day, or can easily visit. Using the iD editor and clicking on "issues" shows a large number of instances of:  ' should be

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 120, Issue 33

2019-09-07 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
>Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2019 18:35:46 +0200 >From: Colin Smale >To: tagging@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [Tagging] Populated settlement classification >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >On 2019-09-07 18:17, Paul Allen wrote: >> Some >> large towns have taken to calling

[Tagging] Hill Figures

2019-09-04 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 10:14:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Mateusz Konieczny To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"     Cc: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"     Subject: Re: [Tagging] Hill figures Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 4 Sep 2019, 09:42 by

Re: [Tagging] Was public_transport=platform intended to > always be combined with highway=bus_stop?

2019-07-31 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
wishing to travel would expect to check which platform to stand on, as that could be changed at short notice.  So adding that detail to the map would not (IMHO) be useful.    Regards, Peter On Wednesday, 31 July 2019, 17:49:06 BST, Markus wrote: On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 at 15:08, Peter Neale

Re: [Tagging] Was public_transport=platform intended to > always be combined with highway=bus_stop?

2019-07-31 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
FWIW, I agree; No more tags, please, when we can manage with those that we have. Busses stop at bus-stops and the route information shows which bus-stops they serve and the times when they are due there, so these should be tagged with ID, Ref Number, etc. as appropriate.   A platform is a raised

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a site with "Luxury Lodges"

2019-05-25 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 20:42:24 -0500 From: Paul Johnson To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"     Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging a site with "Luxury Lodges" Message-ID:     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 6:24 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> I

[Tagging] Tagging a site with "Luxury Lodges"

2019-05-22 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
I hesitate to raise my simple question in such an expertforum, but I want to tag correctly and cannot find the guidance I need in the Wiki. How should I tag Willow Park in Salford Priors, near Evesham(UK)?  https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/135928544 Their website