Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-20 Thread Yves via Tagging
Maybe it's time to create a sub-category of traffic_calming=bump with another tag for the peace of mind of data consumer and not bridle too much (though I think it is not possible) the creativity of traffic calming features creators? Yves Le 20 décembre 2020 11:42:56 GMT+01:00, "Tomáš

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Yves via Tagging
I don't think they can be categorized with the ones designed to make noise. It looks like they are intended to work as bumps, but cheaper and easier to install. Yves Le 19 décembre 2020 23:47:29 GMT+01:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : >On 20/12/20 9:24 am, Brian M. Sperlong

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-12-05 Thread Yves via Tagging
Le 5 décembre 2020 19:19:31 GMT+01:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > >you guys are finding real world examples for every weird situation that nobody >expected to even exist. Traffic lights for rock fall somewhere? > >Cheers Martin They are no so rare, I remember one going down from La

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Yves via Tagging
Creating a new tag for this is not a bad idea. Yves Le 30 novembre 2020 21:27:33 GMT+01:00, Seth Deegan a écrit : >You could add a `note=*` to every element. You should probably contact the >mappers of that region and explain to them not to add them. > >I agree that in this c

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-11-26 Thread Yves via Tagging
And hazards for niche practices (climbing, whitewater sports, ski touring,...) that are actually mapped in OSM are not generally signposted or 'official'. Maybe we can't expect this proposal to cover them, but you can't prevent users to use the tag hazard to map them. Yves Le 26 novembre 2020

Re: [Tagging] Elevated housing estate

2020-11-25 Thread Yves via Tagging
I guess the level won't be completely sealed and may serve for something once the building is inhabited. Wait and them! Yves Le 25 novembre 2020 02:26:22 GMT+01:00, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : >On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 11:20, Joseph Eisenberg >wrote: > >> Is the whole ground

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Pumping proposal

2020-11-22 Thread Yves via Tagging
Given the number exposed here by Martin, and the fact that there is a few established data consumers, I think that preserving the pump tag as it is now and refine it with another tag would be a good idea indeed. Yves Le 22 novembre 2020 02:58:07 GMT+01:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Cycle Route Relations vs. Ways

2020-11-16 Thread Yves via Tagging
On the history of elements, this tool is particularly good I think : https://osmlab.github.io/osm-deep-history/ Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-11 Thread Yves via Tagging
We should get rid of all tags too close to natural language. I propose a unified tagging scheme: material = dihydrogen monoxyde formula = H2O flowing = yes/no depth = xx Wait, in fact this could be extended to anything from building to trees!! Yves Le 10 novembre 2020 06:26:39 GMT+01:00, Joseph

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-09 Thread Yves via Tagging
ssible, should not be >imported in OSM either, because they are in medium and large scale >resolution and not suitable by their nature (not well defined on small >scales, fuzzy boundaries, etc.). > >Cheers >Martin Ah, I thought this could be used to host extremely big fuzzy MPs that we otherwise do not welcome in OSM. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-08 Thread Yves via Tagging
Maybe I'm wrong, but can I use OSM tiles to help tracing a 'Blue Valley' polygon, simplify or copy a multipolygon 'Martin' s wood' or whatever and declare it cc0? Yves Le 8 novembre 2020 11:08:57 GMT+01:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > >sent from a phone > >> On 8.

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-08 Thread Yves via Tagging
Good initiative Martin, at first sight I'll make two comments : * CC0 doesn't allow to derive data from OSM * as geometries are fuzzy in nature, there should be a way to accept several geometries for a same entity, be it only to avoid long discussions on boundaries Yves Le 8 novembre 2020 09:47

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Yves via Tagging
atures could help solving the issue of mapping this larges or fuzzy geographical places the same manner we can map a bench or a road. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

2020-10-21 Thread Yves via Tagging
"Phase 4: All man_made tags to be removed 2031-01-01 00:00 UTC+0" I think that is as reasonable as it could be. Yves Le 21 octobre 2020 04:46:34 GMT+02:00, Robert Delmenico a écrit : >*Link to proposal page:* >https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/artific

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-27 Thread Yves
Le 27 septembre 2020 21:43:31 GMT+02:00, Peter Elderson a écrit : >The idea that natural=wood is for natural woods and landuse=forest is for >managed forests has too little practical support. Yet, this is one of the first thing I learn in my early days in OSM

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread Yves
station:type is still available then. Yves Le 17 août 2020 01:52:12 GMT+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > >sent from a phone > >> On 17. Aug 2020, at 00:25, Colin Smale wrote: >> >> Other attributes like the presence of the drive motors, ticket sale

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread Yves
some criticism, let see what happens ! Yves Le 16 août 2020 13:53:31 GMT+02:00, Colin Smale a écrit  : >Nope You can't have a mid terminal, by definition. And as "terminal" >is used with similar semantics to "station" here, if you start with >aerialway:station yo

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Yves
Had a look at http://www.skilifts.org/old/glossary.htm, came up with : Aerialway:station=top_terminal, mid_terminal, bottom_terminal Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Yves
Interesting: https://pistetopowder.com/the-new-schindlergratbahn-lift/ Quote: Facts & Figures Bottom station: 2,035 m Middle station: 2,643 m Mountain station: 2,579 OK, maybe 'head' is not ideal, but I think it's worth to find something else than 'upper' Yves Le 15 août 2020 13:37:31 GM

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Yves
advice and get a few new mapper's on board. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-14 Thread Yves
I'm not a natural speaker, head like in where the aerialway is heading. I propose the second scheme because of the duplicate meaning with ele in the definition, and because the aim of an aerialway could be lower than mid. Yves Le 14 août 2020 17:32:08 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-14 Thread Yves
Base / mid / head? Le 14 août 2020 10:59:11 GMT+02:00, dktue a écrit : > >Am 14.08.2020 um 10:53 schrieb yvecai: >> On 14.08.20 10:40, dktue wrote: I would define it as: lower_station: station that has the lowest elevation (exact elevation is not necessary to know, it's

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-13 Thread Yves
aerialway:access and the connection to a piste:type=downhill start (or whatever) may be sufficient. What is the use case here? Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Aerialway stations

2020-08-12 Thread Yves
Alexey, you're right, anyway physical properties like incline are better tagged on way than on relations. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-07 Thread Yves
Would it be worth considering adding other tags with area limits to the water/land polygons computation? Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] site relations for city walls?

2020-07-15 Thread Yves
Le 15 juillet 2020 23:10:52 GMT+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : >Generally I would agree with Paul, maxstay of a few minutes isn’t actually a >„parking“ I doesn't agree. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] site relations for city walls?

2020-07-14 Thread Yves
oject. Yet no formal 'network' of its own, and two 'operators'. Hard to map as a multipolygon, outside the pistes it is just forest. On the other end of the spectrum, I'm not particularly proud of this beast: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3545276 1200 members and counting... Yves Le

Re: [Tagging] site relations for city walls?

2020-07-12 Thread Yves
hing about their repartition. Also it certainly makes no sense to have sites extending over extremely large areas. Yves Le 13 juillet 2020 01:14:40 GMT+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > >sent from a phone > >> On 13. Jul 2020, at 00:11, Volker Schmidt wrote: >>

Re: [Tagging] Are rowboats covered by "boat=*" or "canoe=*"?

2020-06-22 Thread Yves
I think the local access restrictions are probably more accurate that we are, do you have an example? Yves Le 23 juin 2020 06:37:18 GMT+02:00, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : >On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 14:31, Joseph Eisenberg > >wrote: > >> >> But should rowboat acce

Re: [Tagging] site relation definition

2020-06-17 Thread Yves
Yes, restricting to 'man-made' objects doesn't make sense. This relation type is particularly unloved, yet it is not by restricting its definition in the wiki to something less that it is 'in use' for that it will automatically disappear. Yves

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

2020-06-09 Thread Yves
My own simple definition, I may be wrong but that's how I map it : If there is two line on the ground indicating that a 4 wheel vehicle went trough, it's a highway=track. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] Adding man_made=spoil_heap to the Map Features page?

2020-06-03 Thread Yves
Graeme is right, plus it's a curated list on the wiki, this had its advantages! Maybe splitting it in 'main' (50k uses) and 'extended' may help. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-26 Thread Yves
yle as highway=footway and the ones in the wilderness as highway =path. Thus I'm completely missing the point of this long discussion. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Yves
. Yves Le 23 mai 2020 18:49:31 GMT+02:00, Jo a écrit : >So in the case of a route that passes through The Netherlands, Belgium >and >France, the part in The Netherlands and Flanders will have the same >name >(in Dutch)? And the parts in Wallonia and France will have the same

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-21 Thread Yves
gt; > >Op wo 20 mei 2020 om 17:37 schreef Yves : > >> "Applies to >> >> All  and  part of a relation tagged >> withtype=route and route=hiking or route=foot or route=bicycle or any >other >> recreational route type." >> >> I was thinkin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Yves
he context of other recreational routes. I don't see in the current proposal any showstopper, but who knows? Once accepted, it will be easy enough to extend to other route=* relations as fit. Yves Le 20 mai 2020 13:33:26 GMT+02:00, Peter Elderson a écrit : >Please review and comment on

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread Yves
Why not georeferencing the image in your DB, and query for the closest osm 'fountain' on request? Yves Le 19 mai 2020 12:47:18 GMT+02:00, European Water Project a écrit : >Hi Paul, > >Thanks for asking. > >I do not want to send people to the node on OpenStreetMap via a ur

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-13 Thread Yves
I prefer a single member route relation than a way with type=route, route=whatever. The later lead to much more uncertainty in the tags meaning. Yves Le 13 mai 2020 18:17:37 GMT+02:00, brad a écrit : >It isn't a route, except in OSM, it's just a trail. > >On 5/13/20 9:09 AM, Paul John

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread Yves
e route does not make a >difference to >me. > I'll also include 'well known' or 'commonly used' in your definition. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-10 Thread Yves
for renderers, there will be no drama if a map shows a taxi station inaccurately for a few months. Yves Le 10 mai 2020 16:08:27 GMT+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > >sent from a phone > >> On 10. May 2020, at 14:43, Paul Allen wrote: >> >> Either way, it's g

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Yves
it isn't worth it. Yves Le 5 avril 2020 11:52:26 GMT+02:00, Andrew Harvey a écrit : >I agree with Martin here, if tags are used but not documented on the >wiki, >discussion on the mailing lists or through a proposal process, how >would >such tags hold any meaning? Different edito

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Yves
As a side note: I would be worried to redefine the mtb=yes/no tag that is not documented but widely used. I do agree that makes sense to define it as an access tag, though. Yves Le 5 avril 2020 09:48:07 GMT+02:00, Andrew Harvey a écrit : >Thanks for everyone's good feedback and discussion

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-04-02 Thread Yves
Surely this can be fixed if needed, but Osm2pgsql still has a route_name column? A strange and evil case of rendering for the mapper. Yves Le 2 avril 2020 23:00:53 GMT+02:00, Richard Fairhurst a écrit : >Peter Elderson wrote: >> Suggestion for rendering: >> What about osmc:n

Re: [Tagging] iD semi automatic adding public_transport to aerialway=station

2020-04-02 Thread Yves
the record, this proposal is OK for me. The exact wording is probably to be worked in the wiki. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-02 Thread Yves
is to consider specialized tags such as mtb:*. Yves Yves Cainaud Le 2 avril 2020 11:10:58 GMT+02:00, Volker Schmidt a écrit : >If a highway is mtb:scale=2 it is definitely not a cycleway. It is a >highway=path with mtb:scale=2 >If this were to encounter a "cycleway" with mt

Re: [Tagging] iD semi automatic adding public_transport to aerialway=station

2020-03-31 Thread Yves
Both Martin and Paul have good points, but this won't help mapping aerial ways. Discussing this small matter at hand and refining the wiki may. Yves Le 31 mars 2020 20:02:44 GMT+02:00, Paul Allen a écrit : >On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 18:21, Martin Koppenhoefer > >wrote: > >&g

Re: [Tagging] iD semi automatic adding public_transport to aerialway=station

2020-03-30 Thread Yves
Agreed, public transport is certainly the exception here. Yves Le 31 mars 2020 04:21:25 GMT+02:00, Gegorian Hauser a écrit : >___ >Tagging mailing list >Tagging@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/list

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-30 Thread Yves
renderers should sit around a wiki page and document how ideal tag could be and how they can be used in rendering, also taking into account the ability to parse nested relations or not with their respective toolchain. Improvements could go both side

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-29 Thread Yves
proposal and re-tag names in name=* and references in ref=* and filling itinerary, operator, etc... along the way. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] piste:grooming documentation

2019-04-07 Thread yves
I'd like to have some comments if you think I missed something. This is about *actual usage* and better comprehension. If the values re-used from one type of piste to another does not suits you, it's another story that can be dealt with later. Yves

Re: [Tagging] How to tag shared waterway highway

2018-12-08 Thread Yves
on it. Yves Le 8 décembre 2018 10:25:49 GMT+01:00, ??? ?? ? -? Dar Alathar-Yemen a écrit : >Many waterways (wadis) in our region used as roads when no rain days. >How to tag them? is it allowed to use (waterway + highway) in sa

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

2018-12-06 Thread Yves
Le 7 décembre 2018 08:24:33 GMT+01:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : >On 07/12/18 16:09, Yves wrote: >> >> Le 6 décembre 2018 23:05:48 GMT+01:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> >a écrit : >>> On 07/12/18 06:49, Mark Wagner wrote: >>>>

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

2018-12-06 Thread Yves
t;> natural=water + leisure=swimming_area ? natural=water + >>> sport=swimming ? >> Seems reasonable. > > Except for sport. Sport implies competition, are there marked lanes >for this competition? I'd think not. So I would leave sport out of it. > Sport key

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

2018-12-06 Thread Yves
here and there and more and more often comes from? Are we making a map of the world in its complexity or what? Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Yves
that you should rely on the name tag to guess the nature of a particular element. If in doubt, the way to go is to ask the (local) community. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Tramtrack_on_highway)

2018-11-21 Thread Yves
Sergio, This is not an issue, anyway some will argue that the highway is a highway AND a railway too, so they would be happy too. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Tramtrack_on_highway)

2018-11-21 Thread Yves
Here is another example : https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/46.72145/6.53707 I like the railway key: if it's a railway, don't make it an obscure tag that no one can find in the wiki. Yves Le 21 novembre 2018 22:47:34 GMT+01:00, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : >On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 19

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Tramtrack_on_highway)

2018-11-20 Thread Yves
Hmm, if someone want to do something with the railway key, they will look at the value. It's a good proposal. Yves Le 20 novembre 2018 22:02:01 GMT+01:00, Rainer a écrit : >Sorry that I enter the discussion late. >First, is my understanding correct that you want to add a tag on a &g

Re: [Tagging] Using multipolygons to map bays in Alaska

2018-11-15 Thread yves
there is. I would incline in your direction Christoph, do you have a map example or a postgis query to show ? It's hard to understand for non techies how this could work with just a node and the coastline. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-11-07 Thread Yves
Dave, Not that what you say doesn't make sense, cause it does. However I just think that the wiki is not the bible (it's a wiki), secondly OSM is not that square as it is made to be edited by hand. Keep it simple here just means that mapping a way is simpler than a relation for most. Yves

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-11-07 Thread Yves
in simple cases. Yves Le 7 novembre 2018 17:08:50 GMT+01:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : >Am Mi., 7. Nov. 2018 um 16:40 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny < >matkoni...@tutanota.com>: > >> 7. Nov 2018 08:27 by daveswarth...@gmail.com: >> In the case of the pipeline,

Re: [Tagging] Out of the bars and onto the map: An lgbtq:*=* tagging scheme?

2018-10-24 Thread Yves
I agree with Frederick here, lgbtq=yes looks like the access tags. This discussion also reminds me the motorcycle-friendly thread not so long ago. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly Yves Le 23 octobre 2018 20:27:04 GMT+02:00, Rory McCann a écrit : >Hi

Re: [Tagging] Upcoming removal of power=station and power=sub_station in the standard style

2018-10-22 Thread Yves
them rot. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Highway=track and piste:type=nordic, are we doing it right ?

2018-10-13 Thread yves
for this kind of mapping. Not my preferred one, it's a great tool. Yves [2] Are preset tags exclusives? https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/5398 [1] One_feature,_one_OSM_element https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element

Re: [Tagging] mechanical edit on iD request (was: Traffic_sign discussion)

2018-10-11 Thread Yves
If there is an issue with something merged too fast into iD, I guess that the devs could welcome a revert. Yves Le 11 octobre 2018 11:19:33 GMT+02:00, marc marc a écrit : >Le 10. 10. 18 à 21:22, yo paseopor a écrit : >> avoid problems with new iD editor as an agreement on tag

Re: [Tagging] Traffic_sign discussion

2018-10-11 Thread Yves
. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-10-07 Thread Yves
This case sounds not so abusive of multipolygons. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-07 Thread Yves
Not sure it's a good idea to render it if no one really knows what it means :) Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] relation site <> multipolygon

2018-10-02 Thread Yves
the forest between pistes. Yves Le 2 octobre 2018 17:07:11 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : >2. Październik 2018 12:36 od marc_marc_...@hotmail.com ><mailto:marc_marc_...@hotmail.com>: > > >> Le 02. 10. 18 à 11:46, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : >> > Can y

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2018-10-02 Thread Yves
Let's start another thread site VS multipolygons. It's interesting and it would be godd to keep in the archives. Le 2 octobre 2018 12:00:15 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : >2. Oct 2018 05:15 by ba...@ursamundi.org : > > >>> >>> >>> >>> - this data is

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2018-10-01 Thread Yves
is data is basically not usable. It's not because you don't in carto that it's not usable. I use them in preprocessing daily. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

2018-10-01 Thread Yves
@Paul I guess it's this one: https://github.com/openstreetmap/osm2pgsql/issues/230 Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

2018-09-30 Thread Yves
Fine for me. Yves Le 30 septembre 2018 06:19:21 GMT+02:00, Dave Swarthout a écrit : >Correct. I will split the river way at either end of the bend and apply >the section tags to that piece only. The river continues to have its >own >name tag while the bend has only the tags needed

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-29 Thread Yves
For the rare case a 'section' should have two names, the smallest part can have it I guess. Instead of section or reach, there's :part, like in building:part. Le 29 septembre 2018 11:24:29 GMT+02:00, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : >Practically, if the ways overlap, it may be hard to render the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-29 Thread yves
but the former allow for canal, ditches and else. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-29 Thread yves
Although the whitewater proposal is here for a long time, and it being the only documented way to tag kayaking/canoe practise on whitewater, it is seldom used. Probably there is simply not enough people interested in those sports and Openstreetmap at the same time. Maybe in a few years there

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

2018-09-27 Thread Yves
I think it would be hard to restrict natural=* to a node, but then, which way? Not a good idea IMHO. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

2018-09-27 Thread Yves
Section_name, is there not something like this in the whitewater tagging scheme? Yep: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:whitewater:section_name=edit=1 And yes, this tagging scheme extend to brown/blue/green river sections. Yves Le 27 septembre 2018 16:14:47 GMT+02:00, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

2018-09-27 Thread Yves
Place=locality makes sense, I guess the name is also used for the area close to the bend by extension. Locality on a node is always troublesome, and I wonder if anybody uses description=* to describe further the place, here this would be something like description=river bend. Le 27 septembre

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

2018-09-26 Thread Yves
Duplicating all 'name' tags to 'name:xx' in our worldwide database is not so shocking, but I still prefer that we map what language is used where than the language the 'name' tag is in. It sounds less oriented. Yves Le 26 septembre 2018 19:54:41 GMT+02:00, Frederik Ramm a écrit : >

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-23 Thread Yves
I don't see no issue in mapping prominence for those interested in. Just to mention for the sake of the discussion that 'sufficiently accurate DEM' doesn't exists globally. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

2018-09-17 Thread Yves
Definitely, I'd rather have local languages mapped rather than the language the renderer 'should' use. To try to convince you, say there is an edit war going on names... Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] Is waterway=riverbank an 'Old scheme' ?

2018-09-08 Thread Yves
There's the documened natural=riverbed. Yves Le 8 septembre 2018 02:07:48 GMT+02:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : >Humm >I would tend to just mark the river .. not the bank at all. But.. > >However the river bank would be seasonal? >So possibly a seasonal tagging

[Tagging] Is waterway=riverbank an 'Old scheme' ?

2018-09-06 Thread yves
That's what I read here : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:water%3Driver Regards, Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

2018-09-02 Thread Yves
Maybe it would be worth mentioning on the semicolon page that a lot of tools (including mapnik) support regex matching for tag values instead of simple equality. Just a head up for data consumers. Yves Le 2 septembre 2018 12:36:06 GMT+02:00, Volker Schmidt a écrit : >Maybe the corr

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

2018-09-02 Thread Yves
Why don't you Tage separate relations? Yves Le 2 septembre 2018 11:02:39 GMT+02:00, Volker Schmidt a écrit : >There are routes out there that can be used by bicycle and on foot. Up >tp >now I have classified them as one or the or the other, tagging >according to >th

Re: [Tagging] why do we discourage leisure=skatepark/skate_park?

2018-08-31 Thread Yves
Yes, hard to express with simple words. I'd let "non-physical" between quotes and add more examples (building, landuse, stadium, sport_center, etc...). Yves Le 31 août 2018 08:47:56 GMT+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > >sent from a phone > >> On 31. Aug 201

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Evacuation Routes

2018-08-25 Thread Yves
Bah, 8 votes on such a specialized feature is a nice score ;-). Maybe you could have advertised on hot@ to gain more traction. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=racetrack

2018-08-23 Thread Yves
I really fail to understand why leisure=sport_center (or else) + sport=kart doesn't suits you. Yves Le 23 août 2018 15:01:58 GMT+02:00, Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi a écrit : >Il giorno gio, 23/08/2018 alle 08.59 +0200, Yves ha scritto: >> Lorenzo, I think you're doing it wrong: if

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=racetrack

2018-08-23 Thread Yves
them within a 'winter_sport' set. Yves Le 23 août 2018 02:02:03 GMT+02:00, Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi a écrit : >I'm trying to imagine a tag with a wider meaning, so I created a table >in which I put the different sports more or less competitive, grouping >them in some way. >For

Re: [Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

2018-08-18 Thread Yves
country? The place key allow a hierarchy of values with words from British English. I don't think those values covers accurately perception everywhere on the globe, that's why I think the local community can have a documented opinion on how to tag. Yves Le 18 août 2018 20:29:52 GMT+02:00

Re: [Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

2018-08-18 Thread Yves
Michael, you don't seem to take the right direction to construct a fruitful discussion with Jose :) For your first issue, did you reach the Lithuanian and Russian community? Yves Le 18 août 2018 16:37:28 GMT+02:00, Michael Tsang a écrit : >On Saturday 18 August 2018 22:10:15 HKT José G Moy

Re: [Tagging] Flood mark or high water mark

2018-08-05 Thread Yves
Spotted thanks to Osmand: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2401935175 Yves Le 5 août 2018 12:23:40 GMT+02:00, Volker Schmidt a écrit : >Flood marks and high water marks are not necessarily the same thing. >Read >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_water_mark >to

Re: [Tagging] Dangerous waterways tagging: hazard?

2018-07-24 Thread Yves
The tag 'hazard' can be found on the whitewater wiki page, so I guess whatever tag is found here would be worth mentioned there. Yves Le 24 juillet 2018 12:51:39 GMT+02:00, ael a écrit : >On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:48:05PM +0200, François Lacombe wrote: >> >> As the d

Re: [Tagging] waterway=fish_pass consistency

2018-07-20 Thread Yves
Ah, and I have a waterway=lift, fish=yes nearby :) https://www.google.com/search?q=orbe+ascenseur+a+poisson=fr-CH=android-browser=ivsn=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwiTx97MuK_cAhVEVywKHbOlCk0Q_AUIESgB=360=518#imgrc=Luw0xusYIWLRUM: Yves Le 21 juillet 2018 00:55:34 GMT+02:00, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit

Re: [Tagging] waterway=fish_pass consistency

2018-07-19 Thread Yves
You'd be *very* surprised what shapes fish passes can take. I don't think it's a good idea to use the waterway key to tell that whatever feature is intended to be a fish pass. This one, although man made is definitely a river, that was built as 1) a fish pass, 2} a whitewater course.

Re: [Tagging] Golf wiki page

2018-07-14 Thread Yves
You should pay attention to the message format, the last one is unreadable. Le 14 juillet 2018 10:57:07 GMT+02:00, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au a écrit : >From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> >Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2018 17:07 >To: tagging@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [Tagging] Golf

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

2018-06-30 Thread Yves
expansion of the difficulty scale obviously apply to still water. I also think this allow a consistent tagging for the ways along a route that crosses lake and follow rivers. Needless to say, if you never paddled there, please don't map it. Yves Le 30 juin 2018 23:39:47 GMT+02:00, Paul Allen

Re: [Tagging] Canoe route

2018-06-30 Thread Yves
follows a river with grade 1, then map it as such. Yves Le 30 juin 2018 20:49:35 GMT+02:00, Paul Allen a écrit : >On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 7:39 PM, Alan Grant >wrote: > >> >> I think there is an analogy with an aspect of hiking trails that I >have >> never b

Re: [Tagging] nautical channels

2018-06-30 Thread Yves
Bah, if you want to tag the Canale Grande something else than waterway=canal, you have an occupation for years ;) Yves Le 30 juin 2018 15:18:53 GMT+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > >sent from a phone > >> On 30. Jun 2018, at 14:41, Volker Schmidt wrote: >> &

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