Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 23 set 2016, alle ore 04:58, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha > scritto: > > The OSM tagging problem maybe using the tag 'historic=' for a cenotaph where > it may not be regarded as 'historic'? Is this the source of this discussion? > All the cenotaphs I know

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-22 Thread Warin
On 23-Sep-16 07:09 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: Oops - sent originally from wrong mailbox: The Titanic musicians' cenotaph in Southhampton is a plaque set in a wall, but even it is made to look like a tomb set in the same wall.

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-22 Thread Kevin Kenny
Oops - sent originally from wrong mailbox: The Titanic musicians' cenotaph in Southhampton is a plaque set in a wall, but even it is made to look like a tomb set in the same wall. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/RMS_ Titanic_Musician's_Memorial,_Southampton.jpg The Archibald

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-09-21 23:57 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > Some resemble a tomb, some don't some are statues, some are plaques, > some are columns. > > Wikipedia has quite a few photos of some ... > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenotaph > > I suppose it depend on what you think a tomb

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-21 Thread Warin
On 21-Sep-16 10:22 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 21 set 2016, alle ore 12:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > ha scritto: If tomb=cenotaph then money in your bank account = no money in your bank account? maybe this is not a bad

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 21 set 2016, alle ore 12:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha > scritto: > > If tomb=cenotaph then money in your bank account = no money in your bank > account? maybe this is not a bad allegory ;-) a cenotaph is a tomb without the corpse, but looks like a

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-21 Thread Janko Mihelić
sri, 21. ruj 2016. 02:59 Martin Koppenhoefer je napisao: > > You can (also additionally) add a memorial:type=cenotaph. > Memorial:type is a bad tag. Look at the values: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/memorial%3Atype#values There's obelisk, and then there is

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-21 Thread Warin
On 21-Sep-16 10:58 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2016-09-21 2:41 GMT+02:00 Kevin Kenny >: Be as pedantic as you please. I'll be happy to tag a cenotaph or three if a consensus ever emerges. just use any tag you feel

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-20 Thread Kevin Kenny
Be as pedantic as you please. I'll be happy to tag a cenotaph or three if a consensus ever emerges. On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 20-Sep-16 06:30 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > Il giorno 20 set 2016, alle ore 08:59,

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-20 Thread Warin
On 20-Sep-16 06:30 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 20 set 2016, alle ore 08:59, Steve Doerr > ha scritto: And the word actually *means* 'empty tomb': 'ancient Greek /κενοτάϕιον/ < /κενός/ empty [...] +

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-20 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:59 AM, Steve Doerr wrote: > And the word actually *means* 'empty tomb': 'ancient Greek *κενοτάϕιον* < > *κενός* empty [...] + *τάϕος* tomb' (Oxford English Dictionary). > > > I became familiar with the word because of my family's history. Two

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 20 set 2016, alle ore 08:59, Steve Doerr > ha scritto: > > And the word actually *means* 'empty tomb': 'ancient Greek κενοτάϕιον < κενός > empty [...] + τάϕος tomb' (Oxford English Dictionary). +1, I have added the tomb=cenotaph tag

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-20 Thread Steve Doerr
On 19/09/2016 23:36, Kevin Kenny wrote: In what way is it not a cenotaph? It is clearly a structural monument. It is in memory of a deceased person. Said deceased person is not entombed there, although his remains are thought to be in an unmarked grave somewhere nearby. It looks like a tomb,

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-20 Thread Warin
Sorry .. reread your words.. While the 'monument' is alleged to have the remains under them .. then the monument is sited on an (alleged) 'tomb'. As such the monument is part of the 'tomb'. Even the title of the photo says 'tomb'. I would not take it as a good example of a 'cenotaph'.

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 20 set 2016, alle ore 05:04, Marc Gemis ha > scritto: > > Except for JFK memorial en Voortrekkers monument, which look like OSM > monuments to me > not "except for", but "also". I had written that those are usually all monuments and

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-19 Thread Warin
Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steuben_Memorial_State_Historic_Site That says his remains are in said tomb... as shown in your linked photo. The only reference I can see to a 'cenotaph' are your words ... where do you get it from? On 20-Sep-16 08:36 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: In what way is

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-19 Thread Marc Gemis
Except for JFK memorial en Voortrekkers monument, which look like OSM monuments to me m Op 19 sep. 2016 14:34 schreef "Martin Koppenhoefer" : > > 2016-09-19 13:17 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > >> there's only one memorial:type=cenotaph > > >

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-19 Thread Kevin Kenny
In what way is it not a cenotaph? It is clearly a structural monument. It is in memory of a deceased person. Said deceased person is not entombed there, although his remains are thought to be in an unmarked grave somewhere nearby. It looks like a tomb, but nobody is entombed in it. On Sep 19,

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-19 Thread Warin
On 20-Sep-16 12:51 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: tomb=cenotaph sounds perfect, if unusual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steuben_Memorial_State_Historic_Site#/media/File:Baron_von_Steuben_Monumental_Tomb_Jul_10.jpg is the cenotaph that I was mapping when the question arose. Baron von Steuben's

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-19 Thread Kevin Kenny
tomb=cenotaph sounds perfect, if unusual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steuben_Memorial_State_Historic_Site#/media/File:Baron_von_Steuben_Monumental_Tomb_Jul_10.jpg is the cenotaph that I was mapping when the question arose. Baron von Steuben's remains are in an unmarked grave somewhere nearby.

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-09-19 13:17 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > there's only one memorial:type=cenotaph btw., those cenotaphs wikipedia has as examples in osm would rather be historic=monument than memorial I think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenotaph Cheers, Martin