Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-20 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 11:04 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Pubs that are over foodie, tables laid etc, should in my opinion be tagged as restaurants. Those have lost their primary focus as a place to go for a

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 07/19/2013 03:33 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Of the solutions, I feel that calling it what it's called locally is preferable. Anyone who cares to compare across countries is going to have to parse the location first anyway. We've managed to handle creating definitions that we could

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/19 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org On 07/19/2013 03:33 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: We've managed to handle creating definitions that we could use worldwide for pretty much everything else, including roads, sports, other schools, various amenities, etc. Have we really? In Italy

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-19 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 07/19/2013 03:33 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Of the solutions, I feel that calling it what it's called locally is preferable. Anyone who cares to compare across countries is going to have to parse the location

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-19 Thread Steve Doerr
On 19/07/2013 12:50, Serge Wroclawski wrote: As for kindergarten, while the name may have an obvious German origin, my question is what the British definition of the word is, since it's British English that we use in OSM as our base language, and does that British definition differ from the

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-19 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Serge Wroclawski wrote: As for kindergarten, while the name may have an obvious German origin, my question is what the British definition of the word is, since it's British English that we use in OSM as our base language, and does that British definition differ from the US definition. In

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 11:04 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Another object that comes to my mind is amenity=pub. You will usually get something to eat in a pub in the UK, but you won't in many German amenity=pub (indeed it might have been a good idea to invent something dedicated for the

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-18 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:07 PM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: It is my understanding that kindergarten means something very different in other places of the world. How does OSM account for such cultural

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-18 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Of the solutions, I feel that calling it what it's called locally is preferable. Anyone who cares to compare across countries is going to have to parse the location first anyway. We've managed to handle creating

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread Johan Jönsson
John Sturdy jcg.sturdy@... writes: It would probably be good to re-open discussion (and add your voice to it, particularly as you have an interest in using such a tag); after that, I think this one could be ready to vote on. __John On 7/9/13, alyssa wright alyssapwright at gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread Mike N
On 7/9/2013 5:42 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Because some people like voting. Some people like bureaucracy, and rules of order, and all that, and so we have one for them. And some people like the idea that someone might eventually be able to consume the tags in a useful application.

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/9 alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com: My main concern is that deprecating amenity=kindergarden will not work/be accepted and that it is not flexible enough, e.g. you can not use it with other amenities. +1 Even if there aren't major changes to the proposals perhaps the needs of

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/9 Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net: There are no approved tags in OSM. You can use any tag you want, +1, yes but you have to respect other people's work, and sometimes these two rules do conflict. so if the childcare tags suit you, use them. -1, I wouldn't use the amenity-tag as it

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread fly
Am 09.07.2013 18:50, schrieb alyssa wright: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:35 PM, fly Am 09.07.2013 17:35, schrieb alyssa wright: Sorry, I don't really follow. So some questions inline: My fault, I did not well explain, especially for someone new. - Sorry. I'm new to this proposed tagging

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread fly
Am 10.07.2013 12:57, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2013/7/9 alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com: it doesn't dictate it, but as he wrote: using a new value for the amenity key in order to introduce a new tag for stuff that is already (at least partly) covered by different, well established

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/10 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Again, what is It referring to here? And can you give some suggestions on how to make the proposal better? I was thinking about something like social_amenity=* (no good example!) or adding some key word in front separated with a colon. what about

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread fly
Am 09.07.2013 20:29, schrieb Frederik Ramm: On 09.07.2013 19:13, alyssa wright wrote: Yes, people keep saying that. But as a new editor, my inclination is to use approved tags and not ones that are in the proposal stage. Most new editors (in the human being sense) tend to use the tags

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread alyssa wright
Again, thanks for all the discussion. I'm following most of it. ;) I think... Could I attempt to articulate what I consider the major confusion in the existing kindergarten tag? Perhaps this is already known, but perhaps an explanation could inspire a graceful resolution. In the US, (and

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread John Sturdy
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:07 PM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.comwrote: Again, thanks for all the discussion. I'm following most of it. ;) I think... Could I attempt to articulate what I consider the major confusion in the existing kindergarten tag? Perhaps this is already known, but

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread fly
Am 10.07.2013 15:07, schrieb alyssa wright: On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/7/10 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Again, thanks for all the discussion. I'm following most of it. ;) I think... This is nothing unusual here, Could I attempt

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 10.07.2013 15:07, schrieb alyssa wright: Again, thanks for all the discussion. I'm following most of it. ;) I think... Could I attempt to articulate what I consider the major confusion in the existing kindergarten tag? Perhaps this is already known, but perhaps an explanation could

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/10 alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com: It is my understanding that kindergarten means something very different in other places of the world. How does OSM account for such cultural differences? Perhaps the childcare proposal should not try to replace kindergarten, but instead try

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:07 PM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: It is my understanding that kindergarten means something very different in other places of the world. How does OSM account for such cultural differences? Ant the wiki about nursery is redirecting to

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread Philip Barnes
we need to be careful with nursery, can easily be mixed up with a place you go to buy plants. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 10/07/2013 14:42 fly wrote: Am 10.07.2013 15:07, schrieb alyssa wright: On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: we need to be careful with nursery, can easily be mixed up with a place you go to buy plants. Use plant_nursery, e.g. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dplant_nursery Pieren

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-10 Thread Philip Barnes
If the mapper thinks to look, or is even aware the wiki exists. Plant nursery is not normal, or obvious, usage. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 10/07/2013 15:16 Pieren wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: we need to be careful with

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-09 Thread fly
Am 09.07.2013 17:35, schrieb alyssa wright: Hey Alyssa I'm new to this proposed tagging process etc, but I wanted to know what happened with this childcare tag proposal? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/childcare2.0 I really do not see any major changes to the rejected

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-09 Thread alyssa wright
Sorry, I don't really follow. So some questions inline: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:35 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 09.07.2013 17:35, schrieb alyssa wright: Hey Alyssa I'm new to this proposed tagging process etc, but I wanted to know what happened with this childcare tag

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-09 Thread Chris Hill
There are no approved tags in OSM. You can use any tag you want, so if the childcare tags suit you, use them. I agree that discussion and documentation are very helpful, but a few negative votes (even thousands of negative votes) cannot stop the tag being used. There are no tag police, no

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-09 Thread alyssa wright
Yes, people keep saying that. But as a new editor, my inclination is to use approved tags and not ones that are in the proposal stage. This is consistent in what I've seen anecdotally with new members. This tag has yet to go up for a vote. How can it go up for a vote? But then why even have a

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 09.07.2013 19:13, alyssa wright wrote: Yes, people keep saying that. But as a new editor, my inclination is to use approved tags and not ones that are in the proposal stage. Most new editors (in the human being sense) tend to use the tags offered by their editors (in the software

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-09 Thread alyssa wright
Thanks. I'm beginning to get a better sense of how things operate. Appreciate the patience. That said -- how does one move a proposed tag to a vote? Like can I call one right now? Best, Alyssa. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 09.07.2013

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-09 Thread John Sturdy
It would probably be good to re-open discussion (and add your voice to it, particularly as you have an interest in using such a tag); after that, I think this one could be ready to vote on. __John On 7/9/13, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I'm beginning to get a better

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-09 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:13 PM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, people keep saying that. But as a new editor, my inclination is to use approved tags and not ones that are in the proposal stage. This is consistent in what I've seen anecdotally with new members. This tag has yet

Re: [Tagging] Childcare Tag

2013-07-09 Thread alyssa wright
Thanks Serge for the clarification. Super helpful. So as John suggested, I'll add my feedback to the existing thread and ask for a vote as I too enjoy voting. Best, Alyssa. On Jul 9, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:13 PM, alyssa