Am 18.02.2015 um 01:07 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
There is no building named abc shopping center - the complex's landuse is
named that, and the buildings are the individual shops.
its not the landuse which has the name, landuses are attributes, the shopping
center is a shop
I added a clarification to the limitations section, as after rereading the
comments and the wiki page trying to understand Andreas' position, and realized
that there was no talk of exceptions when the school or other small facility
was considered as an amenity to the main religious complex.
I
Am 18.02.2015 um 00:12 schrieb Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de:
And if there is a amenity=school in the centre of a monastary I have to cut
it out. Nice.
you won't have to cut it out, you can have a big area amenity =monastery with
overlapping smaller areas pow and school (given
I have no problem to additionally add amenity=place_of_worship or
appropriate tag to the area.
It is absurd to tag parking as amenity=place_of_worship or include it in
this area - it is not a place
of worship. Maybe landuse=religious has problems, but it is a better
solution for cases like this.
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On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:
If the facility is a stand-alone facility whose primary purpose is not as a
place to worship - but merely operated by a religious entity - such as a
school, hospital, etc, then it is tagged as it
On 18/02/2015 11:07 AM, John Willis wrote:
Religious landuse is not about saying that the ground is religious, any more than saying
landuse=retail is land that is for sale - it is for the land dedicated to a facility where people
worship - just as retail is where people sell, and residential
The only thing I got from your talk was that you don't like manmade landuses,
or every facility you have ever mapped is a single use, single purpose shop,
always separated from the other - never in a shared space that is named
something differently.
If you have one named facility - a shopping
Right- per the wiki: with few exceptions.
The religious object is the ground.
But that really applies to the other Millions of religious facilities with a
building and a space around the worshipping facility.
Javbw
On Feb 18, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:
On
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On Feb 18, 2015, at 9:50 AM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote:
Right- per the wiki: with few exceptions.
The religious object is the ground.
But that really applies to the other
Correction : rarely
Millions of religious facilities with a building and a space
If the facility is a stand-alone facility whose primary purpose is not as a
place to worship - but merely operated by a religious entity - such as a
school, hospital, etc, then it is tagged as it currently is.
I fail to see how some grass or parking lot around the church is the
primarty
Excellent job. Thanks for all your hard work.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:10 PM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote:
I added two sections to the wiki - Purpose and limitations to try to spell
out what we talked about.
I also wrote that POW on an area as a landuse for most uses will be
superseded
Having a landuse for “religion” seems simple to understand
Oh really? Is every Kindergarden run by the chruch in Bavaria now a
landuse=religious? What about office building run by the church? What if
they overlap with other landuses?
If people really continute to use this tag I will use it
Am 17.02.2015 um 22:02 schrieb Andreas Goss:
Having a landuse for “religion” seems simple to understand
Oh really? Is every Kindergarden run by the chruch in Bavaria now a
landuse=religious? What about office building run by the church? What if
they overlap with other landuses?
If people
Please read the wiki page, especially the section on limitations.
If the facility is a stand-alone facility whose primary purpose is not as a
place to worship - but merely operated by a religious entity - such as a
school, hospital, etc, then it is tagged as it currently is.
If the
Andreas Goss wrote on 2015-02-17 22:02:
If people really continute to use this tag I will use it for everything
run by the chatholic church in Germany, after all they are the largest
private land owner... Then they can have fun with their church yards.
the tag is about land_use_, not
Am 17.02.2015 um 22:40 schrieb Tom Pfeifer:
Andreas Goss wrote on 2015-02-17 22:02:
If people really continute to use this tag I will use it for everything
run by the chatholic church in Germany, after all they are the largest
private land owner... Then they can have fun with their church
fly wrote on 2015-02-17 23:12:
I still do not understand, why we can not use religion=* without any
landuse.
on which area description?
I have no problem to additionally add amenity=place_of_worship or
appropriate tag to the area.
I have.
The same is true for supermarket with there
own
I added two sections to the wiki - Purpose and limitations to try to spell out
what we talked about.
I also wrote that POW on an area as a landuse for most uses will be superseded
by landuse=religious, and the POW tag is very important as a tag for a building
or physical object that resides
2015-02-16 14:20 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com:
So far I have not experienced a problem with adding religion and
denomination tags to features operated by a religious community and have
continued to use the same landuse I'd use otherwise on the same kind of
feature (if any). What would
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On Feb 17, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
2015-02-16 14:20 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com:
So far I have not experienced a problem with adding religion and
denomination tags to features operated by a religious community
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On Feb 16, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
2015-02-15 13:44 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com:
Landuse=religious is a generic version of churchyard.
I agree that a churchyard could have a dedicated tag like
Am 16.02.2015 um 11:56 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
2015-02-15 13:44 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com:
Landuse=religious is a generic version of churchyard.
I agree that a churchyard could have a dedicated tag like
amenity=churchyard (similar to amenity=graveyard) or historic=churchyard.
2015-02-15 13:44 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com:
Landuse=religious is a generic version of churchyard.
I agree that a churchyard could have a dedicated tag like
amenity=churchyard (similar to amenity=graveyard) or historic=churchyard.
IMHO landuse shouldn't define a feature, but be used
SomeoneElse wrote on 2015-02-15 10:52:
You can't always take taginfo numbers at face value.
right. let's look closer.
For example, in the UK much of the usage of landuse=religious was introduced
by this changeset:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/25035328
14 I have counted in this
On 15/02/2015 11:17, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
I find that landuse=churchyard vs.
landuse=religious+religion=christian have
the same meaning, with the advantage that the latter works multicultural.
No.
If you read back up through this and previous threads, you'll see that
landuse=religious
Landuse=religious is a generic version of churchyard.
I can think of several large church complexes in California - a massive Mormon
temple, a Presbyterian church ground a with a small preschool, a couple
Catholic Churches, a Jehovah's Witness hall, a big mega-church hall, a
cult-like church
On 15/02/2015 01:24, Warin wrote:
What 'landuse' would you say it is? It does not fit in any of the
values given on the wiki
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse
There are over 2,900 tagged landuse=religious currently. as shown by
the taginfo.
You can't always take taginfo
On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:51 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
2015-01-03 16:28 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com
mailto:jan...@gmail.com:
Landuse=religious AFAIK started being used for land that is owned by a
religious entity, and in it there would be
On 14/02/2015 1:51 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2015-01-03 16:28 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com
mailto:jan...@gmail.com:
Landuse=religious AFAIK started being used for land that is owned
by a religious entity, and in it there would be schools,
playgrounds, priest
+1
Having a landuse for “religion” seems simple to understand, simple to
implement, and simple to parse when thinking of the facility as a single
thing with many amenities - like a mall, office complex, or another large
establishment that handles lots of visitors visitors and offers them
2015-01-03 16:28 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com:
Landuse=religious AFAIK started being used for land that is owned by a
religious entity, and in it there would be schools, playgrounds, priest
living grounds, and so on. Then this was disputed
+1, religious really isn't a _landuse_
I thought tat was a feature, to actually deprecate the landuse from the
buildings, so we don't have the similar issue again of a building and area
rendered the same.
If -carto rendered landuse=religious, then the POW would be tagged on
buildings, sitting on the landuse with hopefully a
Hi
Now that the render amendments have come through, It seems the comment
below is inaccurate. It's not being rendered at all. Was that the
intention? I was unaware the grey render was considered as 'building',
especially since adding building=yes changed the colour.
Areas are mapped as
amenity=place of worship that is not rendered as area is a bug
Thanks for a report - it is now on bugtracker as
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1193
2015-01-04 15:20 GMT+01:00 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:
Hi
Now that the render amendments have come through, It
I think too that place of worship could follow the established practice for
detailed mapping of schools ie:
amenity for grounds
building for buildings
Which then as I said needs a multpolygon? No? I always thought you were
not supposed to have landuse overlap.
If the date user or renderer is
On 3/01/2015 4:56 PM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 04:45:24 +0100
From: Andreas Gossandi...@t-online.de
To:tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and
terminal without building tag
Since when do we use ways for landuse=* ?
Also I have not found a single one that is tagged like you say. They are
all areas.
Why multipolygons? Typical area with various church thingies (church,
vicarage etc)
is not requiring multypolygon - it is usually may be represented by a
simple
this is just a polygon around a church yard, with the rest of the buildings
and amenities inside.
EXCEPT it does NOT say church yard but religious landuse.
So this is how I would use this tag: http://i.imgur.com/KZvkB3i.png
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openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88
I'm mapping in Thailand where the majority of temples sit inside a
compound, typically enclosed by walls, inside of which are the main temple
and any number of buildings. Monks' residences, guest facilities, food
shops, all are enclosed by the walls. The enclosures are fairly obvious in
the Bing
On Jan 3, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:
this is just a polygon around a church yard, with the rest of the buildings
and amenities inside.
EXCEPT it does NOT say church yard but religious landuse.
So this is how I would use this tag:
Landuse=religious AFAIK started being used for land that is owned by a
religious entity, and in it there would be schools, playgrounds, priest
living grounds, and so on. Then this was disputed, and if this was actually
landuse=residential.
Some said it should be used for the land around a church,
The situation in India could mean that a congregation was meeting on that
site, and planned to construct a building there, but had not yet done so.
--
John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot
drive out hate; only love can
I'm OK with this. Pretty rare to see indoor (or even specifically
denominational!) PoWs at Boy Scout camps in the US from what I've seen.
On Jan 2, 2015 9:45 AM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't agree that place_of_worship requires a building.
Yes. But buildings that are
On Jan 4, 2015, at 1:38 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
The situation in India could mean that a congregation was meeting on that
site, and planned to construct a building there, but had not yet done so.
Eventually landuse=religious, unless you are a member of the
And since r7923 JOSM will complain about missing building tag for
aeroway=terminal
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/changeset/7923/josm - thanks to Don-vip
2015-01-02 16:43 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com:
Query to find aeroway=terminal without building tag:
On Jan 3, 2015 4:14 AM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote:
On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:56 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com
wrote:
Why multipolygons? Typical area with various church thingies (church,
vicarage etc)
is not requiring multypolygon - it is usually may be represented by a
On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:
Since when do we use ways for landuse=* ?
Also I have not found a single one that is tagged like you say. They are all
areas.
I think he means closed way = area, as landuse implies area=yes .
Javbw
Why
On Saturday, January 3, 2015, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
Not sure why a church / temple/ shrine/ mosque landuse would be drawn
any differently than an office park or a retail shop.
This could get interesting. St Matthew Lutheran in Beaverton, OR has a Les
Schwab Tire Center
put up a tent to sell widgets qualifies as landuse=retail and uses a lot
to store metal bars
qualifies as landuse=industrial. There is no need to wait.
2015-01-04 0:27 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com:
On Jan 4, 2015, at 1:38 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com
wrote:
The situation in
I don't agree that place_of_worship requires a building.
Yes. But buildings that are PoW require a building tag.
Seeto all buildings tagged with in the first post.
2015-01-02 16:42 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:
I don't agree that place_of_worship requires a building.
E.g. the
I don't agree that place_of_worship requires a building.
E.g. the Lourdes grotto or perhaps modern versions of Stonehenge or ...
In Christian religion there are several places with many small shrines, but
the whole is a place of worship (sorry don't know the English word).
The wiki page [1]
Whoa! There are about 44,000 wats (temples) in Thailand. Of the few
thousand that are mapped most of those are mapped only as nodes. Are you
saying those will all disappear on the OSM slippy maps?
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl
wrote:
Dear all,
In
+1, I made the same mistake
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com
wrote:
Ooops, I just re-read your post. I think I understand now.
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Matthijs
Ooops, I just re-read your post. I think I understand now.
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Matthijs Melissen
i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote:
In the next version of the openstreetmap-carto style sheet (the
Query to find aeroway=terminal without building tag:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/6Ne
For place_of_worship it is more complicated, as some really are not
buildings.
2015-01-02 16:17 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl:
Dear all,
In the next version of the openstreetmap-carto
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl
wrote:
In the next version of the openstreetmap-carto style sheet (the
default rendering used on openstreetmap.org) there will be some
changes that might highlight current tagging errors.
Is it possible to create a
Dear all,
In the next version of the openstreetmap-carto style sheet (the
default rendering used on openstreetmap.org) there will be some
changes that might highlight current tagging errors.
In particular, areas tagged with amenity=place_of_worship or
aeroway=terminal that do not have a building
parking areas, and in some cases even tennis and soccer pitches
In this cases also amenity=place_of_worship probably is not necessary.
It sounds like operator=*, owner=* and maybe landuse=religious would be
a better solution.
I am pretty sure that parkings are not used as place of worship.
I had a look in Padova, and I noticed that most polygons tagged
amenity=place_of_worship in that area are not actually buildings. They
include the gardens, parking areas, and in some cases even tennis and
soccer pitches that apparently are part of the church. In such cases,
a building=yes tag is
Same query for amenity=place_of_worship:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/6Nj
Note that this contains false positives. Nodes have been excluded from
this query.
-- Matthijs
On 2 January 2015 at 15:43, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote:
Query to find aeroway=terminal without building tag:
According to OSM-talk message it will be rolled out soon.
2015-01-02 18:19 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com:
Matthijs,
it looks that we will have a problem in Italy. I just ran your query on a
90kmx100km area around Padova and obtained about 1000 potential problems.
Some of them
On 2 January 2015 at 15:42, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't agree that place_of_worship requires a building.
E.g. the Lourdes grotto or perhaps modern versions of Stonehenge or ...
In Christian religion there are several places with many small shrines, but
the whole is a place
Matthijs,
it looks that we will have a problem in Italy. I just ran your query on a
90kmx100km area around Padova and obtained about 1000 potential problems.
Some of them are definitively churches.
I have put the problem on the Italian mailing list.
What's the time schedule for this new version
Le 2 janv. 2015 19:03, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl a
écrit :
[...] In such cases,
a building=yes tag is of course not necessary, and I think it would
also be an improvement if such areas are not rendered as buildings.
I would rather suggestions building=church (or chapel) on
On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:18 AM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote:
parking areas, and in some cases even tennis and soccer pitches
In this cases also amenity=place_of_worship probably is not necessary.
It sounds like operator=*, owner=* and maybe landuse=religious would be
a
Why multipolygons? Typical area with various church thingies (church,
vicarage etc)
is not requiring multypolygon - it is usually may be represented by a
simple closed way.
2015-01-03 4:45 GMT+01:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de:
landuse=religious
Which still nobody knows what it is
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