Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-03-16 Thread Markus Peloso
k> Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. März 2020 18:54 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box On Sun, 2020-03-15 at 12:42 -0400, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: On 3/15/2020 6:18 AM, Markus Peloso wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-03-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-03-15 at 12:42 -0400, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > On 3/15/2020 6:18 AM, Markus Peloso > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box > > > > A small facilit

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-03-15 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 3/15/2020 6:18 AM, Markus Peloso wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box A small facility where people drop off and pick up various types of items in the sense of free sharing. Hi After "Clarify whatever explicit abstaining is the same as no vote" and the chan

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-03-15 Thread Markus Peloso
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box A small facility where people drop off and pick up various types of items in the sense of free sharing. Hi After "Clarify whatever explicit abstaining is the same as no vote" and the change of the Proposal process page I reopen the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 17:53, Peter Neale wrote: > Oh, so, the Wiki doesn't use standard British English then.? Hmmm. > It uses standard, British informal English, rather than the technical British English used to describe voting procedures. > Your final comment reminds me of my IT Course

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Oh, so, the Wiki doesn't use standard British English then.?   Hmmm.   Your final comment reminds me of my IT Course.  "Definition of Recursion: See Recursion". ;-) Regards,Peter >On Thursday, 6 February 2020, 17:39:35 GMT, Paul Allen wrote: >On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 17:09, Peter Neale

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 2/6/2020 10:47 AM, Paul Allen wrote: And if they wanted to comment but not vote they'd add their comment to the talk page instead.  Right? Absolutely! If that's what the instructions said. But they clearly say that if you do want to comment, but you don't want to vote, then choose "abstain."

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 15:19, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > The current description of "approved" on > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process is: > > > A rule of thumb for enough support is 8 unanimous approval votes or at > least 10 votes with more than 74 % approval > Reading that, an

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
[Sorry for the repost, corrected wiki link below...] On 2/6/2020 5:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Actually, in the past we always have counted every kind of comment (vote yes / no and abstain) as part of the total, which indeed led to the situation that an (explicit) abstention effectively c

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 2/6/2020 5:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Actually, in the past we always have counted every kind of comment (vote yes / no and abstain) as part of the total, which indeed led to the situation that an (explicit) abstention effectively counted like a no-vote. Are we going to change this now

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread ael
On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 12:22:13AM +, marc marc wrote: > i have in mind the proposal diaper<>changing table: totally ok for the Eh, except that OSM is supposed to use British English, and "diaper" should be nappy. ael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagg

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 6. Feb. 2020 um 01:11 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > Ok, so we should consider it approved in this case. > > (For context, both Mateusz Konieczny and myself have abstained, along > with 3 others, but had comments expressing concern about using > "give_box" in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Markus Peloso
ards, Markus Peloso Von: Joseph Eisenberg<mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Februar 2020 15:00 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box Well, if we count all of thos

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-05 Thread Warin
On 6/2/20 5:13 pm, European Water Project wrote: I see good arguments on both sides but I tend to agree with Joseph and Marc about the need to put substance over form. Maybe the proposal just passes based on objective measurements (vote ratio), but that if enough people post facto see e

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-05 Thread European Water Project
I see good arguments on both sides but I tend to agree with Joseph and Marc about the need to put substance over form. Maybe the proposal just passes based on objective measurements (vote ratio), but that if enough people post facto see enough flaws that it can be temporarily suspended. To

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-05 Thread marc marc
the proposals (I'm talking generally, not just about this one) have often 2 flaws: - often too big (not this one) - often rfc too short, even active people still have remarks to make that the vote is already open, so they are stuck to sink the proposal (with the risk that its author gets demotivate

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Ok, so we should consider it approved in this case. (For context, both Mateusz Konieczny and myself have abstained, along with 3 others, but had comments expressing concern about using "give_box" instead of "free_box" or something easier to understand.) But hypothetically, what if there were even

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-05 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 6/2/20 4:02 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: I see no good reason to count explicit "abstain but have comments" exactly like "vote against". +1 To abstain from voting is to not cast a vote. So there were 14 votes with just under 93% approving. __

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I see no good reason to count explicit "abstain but have comments" exactly like "vote against". Feb 5, 2020, 14:58 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > Well, if we count all of those, it is 68% (13/19) which is less than > the 74% cut-off. > > I don't think this should be considered "approved". The

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-05 Thread Jmapb
On 2/5/2020 8:58 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Well, if we count all of those, it is 68% (13/19) which is less than the 74% cut-off. Is it normal to count abstentions as part of the vote total? The proposal template text ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Proposed_feature_voting ) say

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Well, if we count all of those, it is 68% (13/19) which is less than the 74% cut-off. I don't think this should be considered "approved". There were several comments that "free box" or something else that is more common in British English should be considered instead. More important than the numb

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-05 Thread Markus Peloso
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dgive_box A small facility where people drop off and pick up various types of items in the sense of free sharing and reuse. Hi Thanks for voting and for the inputs. Based on the result «13 votes for, 1 vote against and 5 abstentions» I set the s

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-01-21 Thread Jmapb
On 1/21/2020 3:42 AM, Markus Peloso wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box A small facility where people drop off and pick up various types of items in the sense of free sharing. Hi Thanks for the discussion, inputs and improvement to this tag. *I request for v

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-01-21 Thread Markus Peloso
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box A small facility where people drop off and pick up various types of items in the sense of free sharing. Hi Thanks for the discussion, inputs and improvement to this tag. I request for voting now. Feel free to give also a negative