Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

> In the officially multilingual areas people are tagging multiple > > languages in name: eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/47207 > > It is one of the ugliest form of tagging for renderer, unfortunately > many people believe that it a good idea. > ... but it is the name as reported on the

Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

>your schema is neither simple nor usable for multilangue area >what's the primaryOnTheGroundLang for Brussels ? or Fribourg ? >f I understand you very well, ... sorry, maybe the "Heuristic" is a better word = "a practical method not guaranteed to be optimal or perfect, but sufficient for the

Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:29:44 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > In the officially multilingual areas people are tagging multiple > languages in name: eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/47207 It is one of the ugliest form of tagging for renderer, unfortunately many

Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 16:58:23 +0300 Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > The main problem multilingual map effort is trying to solve is how to > calculate the language of the "name" tag. Without it, name tag > becomes nearly useless. For example: > > * An Italian user viewing a

Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

your schema is neither simple nor usable for multilangue area what's the primaryOnTheGroundLang for Brussels ? or Fribourg ? if I understand you very well, a guy need to travel the city and count how many NameOnTheGround is in fr and how many in nl and after he can create the metadata. woaw !

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> The main problem multilingual map effort is trying to solve is how to calculate the language of the "name" tag. As I understand - We need a "simple metadata" - about the "current mapping rules" [ https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names ] So, We can use this for: - Multilingual

Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

Le 24. 04. 18 à 18:29, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/47207 > > this is not very beautiful, while it was IMHO a good compromise for the > past, maybe this could be solved nicer with a new approach? > one of the major issue for "official" multilingual

Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

Martin that reminds me of what someone did in Northern Canada: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/107355436#map=14/68.7653/-81.2156 Inuktitut and English, despite Inuktitut not really being used(it's a way to write what they speak invented by European settlers/priests), problem is it's only for

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sent from a phone > On 24. Apr 2018, at 15:58, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > * Same tags, but the feature is in Italy -- now "name" tag is the better > choice because the name is actually in the same language as the reader. last year there were actually discussions in

Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

The main problem multilingual map effort is trying to solve is how to calculate the language of the "name" tag. Without it, name tag becomes nearly useless. For example: * An Italian user viewing a feature in China with two tags: "name" and "name:fr". In this case, "name:fr" tag is preferred

Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

On 24/04/2018 09:11, Rory McCann wrote: Ireland has 2 official languges (Irish first & then English), but only ~2% of the population speak Irish daily. There are some legal defined regions of Ireland which are supposed to be "Irish speaking areas", but even there Irish is a minority language.

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Ireland has 2 official languges (Irish first & then English), but only ~2% of the population speak Irish daily. There are some legal defined regions of Ireland which are supposed to be "Irish speaking areas", but even there Irish is a minority language. So how should that be tagged? (Some day

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sent from a phone > On 19. Apr 2018, at 11:30, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > If you want to tag that French is the official language in France, add > that to the France boundary relation instead of creating yet another > relation that re-uses the boundary ways. I understood

Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

Hi, On 19.04.2018 03:33, André Pirard wrote: > I have several times suggested a "language" boundary type (with > provision for minority languages etc.) I think such a boundary type would not be verifiable enough to draw a precise line; it's the same problem as "the Black Forest" or "the Alps"

Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

t;tagging@openstreetmap.org>; Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com> Subject: [Tagging] Identifying language regions We do have language mapping in Belgium <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/52411> . Look at the subareas: * Relation German-speaking Com

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Andre, I wish I saw when you posted it earlier :) Do you record the language codes anywhere? I looked at the regions you specified, but they have names, not the actual language codes, and when working with data, codes are much easier to use. On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 4:33 AM, André Pirard

[Tagging] Identifying language regions

On 2018-04-18 21:41, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > What would be the best tags to use for mapping language regions?  I > would like to create a map of primary languages spoken in an area. > This will greatly help with multilingual maps, allowing data consumers > to calculate which language name tags to

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sent from a phone > On 19. Apr 2018, at 00:06, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > The question "what is the majority/official language in region X" or > "country Y", on the other hand, tends to have a clear answer. yes, if you look at the majority language in a whole country this

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While it is certainly possible for the country to have hundreds of languages, I am pretty sure it is rare for a single village to speak them all. In such cases, the granularity could go down to smaller units than a country (and if OSM is capable of storing hundreds of millions of buildings, I'm

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what's TSKM ? for Switzerland, we talk about it a few months ago. The discussion lacked participants. but some was thinking that adding official languages on the boundary could be useful for rendering and tracking officially multilingual places (name with multiple value is a very heavy (=bad)

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An example, good luck : 56 TSKM, 39 Languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Togo 41 TSKM, 4 languages : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland (Germany : 357 TSKM) Am 18.04.2018 um 21:49 schrieb Vao Matua: > I would suggest that OSM is probably not the best place for this.  >

Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

I suggest doing a Google image search for "language map Nigeria" to see how problematic this suggestion will be. OpenStreetMap is not a full function geospatial information tool. Mapping thousands of languages might be tidy in North America, but will make a mess in other parts of the world. Vao

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Hi, On 04/18/2018 09:41 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > A relation may span multiple countries (e.g. US and most of Canada for > English), or split countries (e.g. EN and FR regions in Canada). In some > cases, the relation will reuse country border ways. We had a discussion about time zones here

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2018-04-18 22:40 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan : > Vao, I think OSM is perfect for this specifically because you need local > knowledge like what you describe to create it :) It would not be possible > to create it as accurately without that on-the-ground info. Of course we

Re: [Tagging] Identifying language regions

Majority language boundaries would be enough for most use cases. Sample tagging: type=boundary boundary=language name=Italiano ref= 18-04-2018 22:49 tarihinde Vao Matua yazdı: > I would suggest that OSM is probably not the best place for this.  > There are many countries that have many or even

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Vao, I think OSM is perfect for this specifically because you need local knowledge like what you describe to create it :) It would not be possible to create it as accurately without that on-the-ground info. Of course we can also expand the actual tags based on such feedback. On Wed, Apr 18,

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I would suggest that OSM is probably not the best place for this. There are many countries that have many or even hundreds of languages. The lines between the places where languages are commonly spoken can be quite fuzzy and often do not follow any other features. A year ago I was living in a

[Tagging] Identifying language regions

What would be the best tags to use for mapping language regions? I would like to create a map of primary languages spoken in an area. This will greatly help with multilingual maps, allowing data consumers to calculate which language name tags to use for which locale. This will also give OSM