So far, I've found it very difficult to create and edit new wikibase
entries. I don't think it will be easier for Indonesian mappers to
create a wikibase entry for every Map Features entry, rather than
creating a stub page with a description.
The advantage of translating wiki pages for each
Hello
Road hierarchy is needed for a number of things:
* deciding which classes of roads to display on different scales in a map
* performing road network validation
* other tasks (f.e. typification of buildings - orientation)
Hierarchy would be different in different context:
2019-08-04, sk, 11:32 Florian Lohoff rašė:
> For me unclassified is the same as residential. <...>
Ok, so unclassified vs residential is regionally defined, as I wrote.
But what about service/track?
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On 04/08/19 19:08, Tomas Straupis wrote:
2019-08-04, sk, 11:56 Erkin Alp Güney rašė:
Paved: service unpaved:track
service could always be paved and unpaved.
track used to be always unpaved, but somewhere somehow tracktype1
became paved :-)
I have a number of tracks around me. Some
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The biggest
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 at 10:29, Lanxana . wrote:
>
> I have looked in taginfo and approximately in 15000 cases the semicolon
> (;) is used, in 3000 the comma (,) and in 1000 cases the hyphen (-). It
> would seem therefore that the general criteria is to use the semicolon.
>
See
Use semicolons, for a range use 4;5;6. Be explicit and keep with the
standard value separator.
On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:17 PM Andrew Harvey
wrote:
> It could be cultural but I've always understood that the hyphen (-), ie.
> 1-3 would mean it covers 1, 2 and 3, while if you say 1;3 or 1,3 then
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 at 13:50, yo paseopor wrote:
>
> Trains stops in a specific point. Here in Spain they have some sign that
> says=Cabeza de tren (Head's line) . It is important because when you do a map
> that can be used by the public transport user, but also the public_transport
> driver
Joseph, could you clarify what you mean by "Map Features entry" ? If you
only refer to keys/tags/relations/relation roles, than those things are
automatically created -- an editor only needs to translate them.
I do agree that if we want to store more diverse data items, we need
specialized UI,
> Personally, I'd have put residential / living together above unclassified
Interesting. Unclassified was always (more than 10 years) defined
for "through traffic" which puts it a higher in a hierarchy. From what
I understand it was always in the group of primary/secondary/tertiary
just the one
Paved: service unpaved:track
4 Ağu 2019 Paz 11:47 tarihinde Tomas Straupis
şunu yazdı:
> 2019-08-04, sk, 11:32 Florian Lohoff rašė:
>
> Ok, so unclassified vs residential is regionally defined, as I wrote.
>
> But what about service/track?
>
> ___
Hi!
I would like to know how to indicate that a school offers several
educational levels. I've been seeing the isced: level tag, which is that I
think to use, but I have a question about how to separate multiple values.
I have looked in taginfo and approximately in 15000 cases the semicolon (;)
On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 12:46:05PM +0300, Tomas Straupis wrote:
> Now I would like to skip road C at small scale, but leave A, because I
> want to leave B.
>
> Can we agree on some scheme to tag this (do data augmentation), so
> that less people doing cartography stuff have to resort to heavy
>
On 2019-08-04 11:57, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> This is why i get to the point "is it a public road" and "a public
> road cant be service". If we agree on this you can as some zoom scale
> drop service and track.
What definition of "public" and "private" are you using here? This is
another can of
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 at 16:37, Tomas Straupis wrote:
>
> There is non written (or I could not find in wiki) or "de facto"
> hierarchy:
> * motorway
> * trunk
> * primary
> * secondary
> * tertiary
> * unclassified
> * residential
> * living_street
> In some regions unclassified
On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 11:55:08AM +0300, Erkin Alp Güney wrote:
> Paved: service unpaved:track
So half of the highways in African countries are tracks?
IIRC osm does tag highway class by usage not by construction or
physical attributes.
So there is a perfect possibility that large stretches of
Let's say we have a residential road R. Going out of this residential road
there is a way A into the neighbouring residential area (say 50m length).
Out of that way A there is anower way B leading into the fields/forest
which lies outside of the residential area. B way is long enough and
On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 10:30:49AM +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 09:35:41AM +0300, Tomas Straupis wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > Road hierarchy is needed for a number of things:
> > * deciding which classes of roads to display on different scales in a map
> > * performing
It could be cultural but I've always understood that the hyphen (-), ie.
1-3 would mean it covers 1, 2 and 3, while if you say 1;3 or 1,3 then it
would cover 1 and 3 only, excluding two 2.
So I think it depends, if you want a range use "-" if you don't want a
range use a ";" or ",".
I've tagged
On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 12:25:49PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote:
> On 2019-08-04 11:57, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>
> > This is why i get to the point "is it a public road" and "a public
> > road cant be service". If we agree on this you can as some zoom scale
> > drop service and track.
>
> What
On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 09:35:41AM +0300, Tomas Straupis wrote:
> Hello
>
> Road hierarchy is needed for a number of things:
> * deciding which classes of roads to display on different scales in a map
> * performing road network validation
> * other tasks (f.e. typification of buildings -
2019-08-04, sk, 11:56 Erkin Alp Güney rašė:
> Paved: service unpaved:track
service could always be paved and unpaved.
track used to be always unpaved, but somewhere somehow tracktype1
became paved :-)
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On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 11:46:26AM +0300, Tomas Straupis wrote:
> 2019-08-04, sk, 11:32 Florian Lohoff rašė:
> > For me unclassified is the same as residential. <...>
>
> Ok, so unclassified vs residential is regionally defined, as I wrote.
>
> But what about service/track?
Same
All right, let's make it more detailed and more extended.
R
R
RAAA
R A
R
R
R
R
Now A and C are ways leading into the inner territory of residential
building(s). But A has another important road B getting out of it, and
C does not. Which means A has through traffic while C does
On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 12:19:52PM +0300, Tomas Straupis wrote:
> Let's say we have a residential road R. Going out of this residential road
> there is a way A into the neighbouring residential area (say 50m length).
> Out of that way A there is anower way B leading into the fields/forest
> which
2019-08-04, sk, 12:59 Florian Lohoff rašė:
> If B is a public road A cant be private property and thus not be
> a service. If B is a track A can be a service because both
> of them share the concept of not beeing for the general public.
>
> Or vice versa. If you make A a service B cant be a public
On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:24 PM Markus wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 at 20:38, yo paseopor wrote:
> >
> > We need a new way of following the scheme. I think all the features are
> needed: stop positions, platforms and stop area. [...]
>
> Could you please give me an example where stop
> highway=platform and/or railway=platform are needed, because
>> public_transport=platform doesn't mean a platform, but a waiting area.
>> And a waiting areas doesn't need to be a platform: some waiting areas
>> are just poles or signs beside the road [1], others are located on the
>> sidewalk
On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 11:20:49AM +0100, ael wrote:
> > For me unclassified is the same as residential. The difference is that
> > unclassified is for interconnecting residential areas, and residential
> > has residential traffic. So for me there cant be an unclassified within
> > city
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> On 4. Aug 2019, at 10:46, Tomas Straupis wrote:
>
> But what about service/track?
both are lowest classes for motorized vehicles, with a functional difference:
tracks are for agricultural traffic (or analogously forestry or fishing), while
service roads are access
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> On 4. Aug 2019, at 15:37, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>
> A residential is also an unclassified road.
IMHO it is not, as an unclassified road is part of the interconnection grid,
while a residential road is not
Cheers Martin
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Well, I would be reluctant to tag the ways leading to this remote
house as unclassified or residential:
https://openmap.lt/#h/17.01/54.19809/24.27953/0/0/
These are public ways/roads, anybody can use them - they are not
private. Yet they are not in the database of Lithuanian road agency,
so they
Joseph, before you click "edit description", change your language at the
top of the wiki page (make sure you are logged in. Also, if you change the
language a few times to the ones you know, e.g. to Indonesian, to Spanish,
and then to English, I think interface will always offer you to enter
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 at 16:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
> it is just an excuse to insist on using pt=platform for things that aren’t
> platforms and justify it with saying it means waiting area.
To quote the PTv2 proposal page: "The platform is the place where
passengers are waiting for the
On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 01:18:13PM +0300, Tomas Straupis wrote:
> 2019-08-04, sk, 12:59 Florian Lohoff rašė:
> > If B is a public road A cant be private property and thus not be
> > a service. If B is a track A can be a service because both
> > of them share the concept of not beeing for the
On 31.07.19 09:34, Warin wrote:
> There is no present default unit for power - see
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features/Units#Default_units
> Adding a default would be good
Why would it be good to add a default value?
I believe explicit units are generally preferable because they
On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> sent from a phone
> > On 4. Aug 2019, at 15:37, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> >
> > Their difference is usage. In case of residential its usage is
> > predominantly access to an residential area, whereas the unclassified is
> > for
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 at 15:43, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
>
> This is also my general understanding although there are situations where
> the meaning can differ, e.g. housenumber = 1-3 can mean either 1;2;3 or 1;3
> (depending on the local numbering scheme for this road).
>
There are several
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 at 15:51, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>
> Where do you take this assumption from? I have never heard before that
> residential may not be used for through traffic?
>
Many residential roads are cul-de-sacs. Dead ends. Not classed as through
roads because
they don't lead anywhere
P.S. I made a short video on how to add descriptions and translations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI1NDD4MtC4
On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:56 AM Yuri Astrakhan
wrote:
> Joseph, before you click "edit description", change your language at the
> top of the wiki page (make sure you are logged
Joseph, you don't need to use preferences - just click the language
switcher at the very top of the page, and you only need to switch to
Indonesian and back once -- the interface will always offer both choices to
fill out. Please see the video, and let me know if what you see is
different. You
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> On 4. Aug 2019, at 11:06, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>
> For me a public road
> can not be a service. unclassified is defined as the lowest
> class of public roads.
it is not, it is “at the lowest level of the interconnecting grid network.”,
which means service roads are not
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> On 4. Aug 2019, at 15:26, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>
> - A service road may not carry a name (Because in Germany only public
> roads get denominated a name).
I don’t think this is a valid conclusion:
- we are not restricting our tagging to official denominations but give
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> On 4. Aug 2019, at 15:37, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>
> Their difference is usage. In case of residential its usage is
> predominantly access to an residential area, whereas the unclassified is
> for interconnecting residential areas (be it villages).
for me the access to a
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> On 4. Aug 2019, at 15:03, Markus wrote:
>
> Unfortunately it doesn't mean a real platform, but a waiting area (see
> also Polyglot's message). If it would have meant a real platform,
> there were no PTv2 tag for the waiting area of a stop without
> platform, which is the
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> On 4. Aug 2019, at 14:14, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>
> It could be cultural but I've always understood that the hyphen (-), ie. 1-3
> would mean it covers 1, 2 and 3, while if you say 1;3 or 1,3 then it would
> cover 1 and 3 only, excluding two 2.
This is also my general
> If you want a waiting area tag, name it like this.
I *would* agree with this, but public_transport=platform is already quite
established. Changing tags is worse than having badly named tags.
Leif Rasmussen
On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 4:40 PM Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> >
You're right, I was a little confused. Almost all the features on Map
Features have a wiki page (and those that don't should get a page or
more likely be removed), so I understand that they have an OSM
wikibase entry, now, and creating the data item isn't an issue.
But I still can't figure out
Thanks, yes, changing the language under “preferences” for the wiki works,
though it’s a little annoying.
You should set the label field for all languages to the key=value or remove
this field and display the key=value at the top of the page anyway. It’s
quite distracting Now.
Is there a way to
On Sunday, August 4, 2019 2:21:11 PM EDT Jo wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 16:40 Martin Koppenhoefer
>
> wrote:
> > it is just an excuse to insist on using pt=platform for things that aren’t
> > platforms and justify it with saying it means waiting area.
> > I don’t think we should define
It's supposed to be modeled after the british road system. If the class
exists only in the UK and you're a strictie, then you should not use it
outside the UK.
If you are a non-strictie then you can use the classification únclassified'
for comparable roads, i.e. a class of connecting road in the
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> On 4. Aug 2019, at 16:58, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> There are several different views on this. Mine would be 1-3 means 1;2;3 and
> 1,3 means 1;3. Oh,
> and 1,2,3 is an alternative to 1-3 but more cumbersome. However, this is OSM
> where a foolish
> consistency is never
yes, I guess the usual case of splits in systems with consecutive numbers
running down the road is made with letters, because 1B is clearer than 1/2, but
in reality you can find both.
Cheers Martin
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On 05/08/19 11:46, ET Commands wrote:
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And if you read the wiki you can add another 3 opinions to that.
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On 8/4/2019 7:09 PM, dcapillae wrote
I have asked the OSM community in Spain and it seems that some mapper prefer
"building=bullring" instead of "building=stadium". I think the right tag is
"building=stadium" because we use this tag for stadiums, no matter what type
of stadium they are, and a
All looks OK at first glance, Kev, except for one minor typo - you've got
two Class 25's - I assume Historic should actually be 26?
Will have a fuller read later :-)
Thanks
Graeme
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On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 8:24 PM Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> I think it may be difficult to get protect_class=21 rendered, unless the tag
> is more precisely defined. While you are using this tag specifically for
> recreation related protected areas, the current wiki page says that it can be
>
On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 04:21:14PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> I don’t think this is a valid conclusion:
>
> - we are not restricting our tagging to official denominations but
> give precedence to on the ground usage
Correct - But from my experience its either a service or it has
a name.
On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 12:30:48AM +0100, Paul Allen wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 00:12, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
> I just reverted it. And added some clarification (some may disagree and
> think I've murkified it)
> based on why I think those words were removed back in February. Feel
On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 07:55:16PM +0100, ael wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 04:23:03PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> > sent from a phone
> > > On 4. Aug 2019, at 15:37, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> > > A residential is also an unclassified road.
> >
> > IMHO it is not, as an unclassified
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 08:36, Graeme Fitzpatrick
wrote:
> In Australia, at least, that would mean Unit (Room / Suite / Office etc) 1
> (House / Street) Number 3; 3/4 would be Unit 3 Number 4 etc
>
Which would be more explicit if mapped as addr:unit=3 + addr:housenumber=4.
Then downsteam
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 07:14, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
>
> if these were housenumbers, what about 1/3 ?
>
In Australia, at least, that would mean Unit (Room / Suite / Office etc) 1
(House / Street) Number 3; 3/4 would be Unit 3 Number 4 etc
Thanks
Graeme
Isn't the only thing that matters, for routing at least, the name of the
role that the platform has? I mean, anything can have the role "platform".
Highway=bus_stop can have the role platform.
And nothing renders anyway. So why don't we just start using other
public_transport values, like pole,
Thank you, Martin.
I think it's the right thing to do, too.
I have asked the OSM community in Spain and it seems that some mapper prefer
"building=bullring" instead of "building=stadium". I think the right tag is
"building=stadium" because we use this tag for stadiums, no matter what type
of
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On 4. Aug 2019, at 16:50, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>> Residential roads are the roads inside the residential area, which are
>> not used by through traffic
>
> Where do you take this assumption from? I have never heard before that
> residential may not be used for through
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> On 5. Aug 2019, at 01:09, dcapillae wrote:
>
> I have asked the OSM community in Spain and it seems that some mapper prefer
> "building=bullring" instead of "building=stadium". I think the right tag is
> "building=stadium" because we use this tag for stadiums, no matter
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 00:12, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
this should be reverted, and I would be glad if someone did it now, because
> I cannot do it myself at the moment. Thank you.
>
I just reverted it. And added some clarification (some may disagree and
think I've murkified it)
based on why
dieterdreist wrote
> I would also prefer either building=bullring or maybe we need a stadium=*
> tag.
Yes, my first idea was to use a "stadium" subtag. This solution is barely
used, so I dismissed the idea.
I preferred "building=stadium" + "stadium=bullring" to "building=bullring"
if some of
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At least.
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On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 16:40 Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
>
> it is just an excuse to insist on using pt=platform for things that aren’t
> platforms and justify it with saying it means waiting area.
> I don’t think we should define pt=platform for something different than a
> public transport
My research tells me ‘unclassified’ means classified as ‘unclassified‘, which
is a class of road in the public road system. Other roads cannot be classified
as ‘unclassified’, but should get another classification. Roads without
classification need a fixme, not a classification as
Peter wrote:
My research tells me ‘unclassified’ means classified as ‘unclassified‘,
which is a class of road in the public road system.
I respectfully disagree.
That is only the case where a country has a class of roads they label or
call "Unclassified". In Alaska and Thailand, where I do the
On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 04:23:03PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 4. Aug 2019, at 15:37, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> >
> > A residential is also an unclassified road.
>
>
> IMHO it is not, as an unclassified road is part of the interconnection grid,
> while
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 09:35:41 +0300
Tomas Straupis wrote:
> Hello
>
> Road hierarchy is needed for a number of things:
> * deciding which classes of roads to display on different scales in
> a map
> * performing road network validation
> * other tasks (f.e. typification of buildings -
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