Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 10:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > imagine you were mapping something, and it is legal in the place where you > are, but illegal in Britain, so you can not do it. Or you are seeing things > in country A and when you’re in country B you add them to OpenStreetMap > (from

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reservoirs, lakes, and ponds

2020-12-21, pr, 01:10 Clifford Snow rašė: > Please refrain from calling out others as outlined in the Etiquette > Guidelines [1] Can you be more specific? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

Dec 21, 2020, 01:43 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > > > > On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 10:37, Martin Koppenhoefer <> dieterdre...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> >> imagine you were mapping something, and it is legal in the place where you >> are, but illegal in Britain, so you can not do it. Or you are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reservoirs, lakes, and ponds

Thanks, Brian, for taking the lead on this. I generally agree with the overall direction of the proposal. There's a lot of details on the proposal page but I guess we can discuss them on the wiki talk page. On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:58 PM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > A proposal[1] to clarify

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

Thanks Graeme On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 16:44, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > OSMF board is not spending hours on monitoring wiki pages. > > I am spending hours on monitoring wiki pages and noticed it only recently, > and only in a new proposal. > > Anyone

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

Dec 21, 2020, 08:18 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 16:44, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > >> >> OSMF board is not spending hours on monitoring wiki pages. >> >> I am spending hours on monitoring wiki pages

[Tagging] natural=fell not rendered, alternatives?

Hello, I'm doing further mapping of Swedish national parks, now in the mountains, and I have noted that natural=fell (habitat over tree line) is not rendered. Looking into why it seems that OSM-Carto implementors want more specific landcover tags to be used. I don't think that (somewhat

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

sent from a phone > On 20. Dec 2020, at 05:43, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > The existing emergency=disaster_response will get a better definition to > cover each countries Emergency Rescue / Civil Defence service/s which kind of places should get the tag? Garages and places where

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

That is definitelly not rumble_strip, a car has to slow down to pass this device. It's not just about the noice. Dne sobota 19. prosince 2020 23:24:58 CET, Brian M. Sperlongano napsal(a): > I've seen these in the US also, but I never knew what they were called. I > understand that the purpose

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

> I'm uncomfortable with hillock/hillocky as a value. "Hillock" is quite common in British English, not that I am comfortable using it as a tag. ael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

Maybe it's time to create a sub-category of traffic_calming=bump with another tag for the peace of mind of data consumer and not bridle too much (though I think it is not possible) the creativity of traffic calming features creators? Yves Le 20 décembre 2020 11:42:56 GMT+01:00, "Tomáš Hurýn"

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

I'd say they are small mounds. Hillock sounds too, er, hilly. Peter Elderson Op zo 20 dec. 2020 om 11:39 schreef ael via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > > I'm uncomfortable with hillock/hillocky as a value. > > "Hillock" is quite common in British English, not that I am comfortable >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

> "Hillock" is quite common in British English To describe a traffic control device? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 07:30:26AM -0500, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > "Hillock" is quite common in British English > > > To describe a traffic control device? No. ael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - crossing=priority

Hello everyone, I haven't really explained myself since I cancelled this proposal 7 days ago. However, just now this proposal was mentioned on WeeklyOSM, so I just want to clarify why I have cancelled this proposal. >From reading all these comments, it is clear a "crossing=priority" is not a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

ok, so we can call value fo this tag: circle_humps. What do you all think of it? Dne neděle 20. prosince 2020 0:31:07 CET, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging napsal(a): > Round Circle Speed Humps > > >Saturday, December 19, 2020 5:29 PM -06:00 from Paul Allen > >: > > > >On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:19,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 11:52, Peter Elderson wrote: > I'd say they are small mounds. > Talk to an archaeologist and mounds can be quite large. Talk to a baseball player and mounds are smaller than archaeological mounds but still quite a bit larger than these speed bumps. > > Hillock sounds

Re: [Tagging] Tagging sewage treatment basins

Vào lúc 09:42 2020-12-18, Martin Koppenhoefer đã viết: Am Fr., 18. Dez. 2020 um 12:32 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen >: I'm not entirely happy with natural=water being applied to either sewage treatment or slurry.  Neither are natural and neither store water.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

Thank you, the description is more appropriate now. Dne sobota 19. prosince 2020 20:43:00 CET, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging napsal(a): > Thanks for documenting this new value! > > I edited page in attempt to provide more specific definition > (based on photos). > > To author of a proposal:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

I was thinking a lot about it. But bump is not so appropriate fot this kind of device bacuase it has specific qualities. Dne neděle 20. prosince 2020 1:06:33 CET, Graeme Fitzpatrick napsal(a): > On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 09:32, Paul Allen wrote: > > It calls them speed bumps. > > Yep, it seems

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 12:32, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > "Hillock" is quite common in British English > > > To describe a traffic control device? > > It is not the first word that came to my mind when I saw a picture of them. Not the second, either. Maybe the 49th. The first word was

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - crossing=priority

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 13:57, ipswichmapper--- via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > From reading all these comments, it is clear a "crossing=priority" is not > a good tag. In many places, pedestrians always have priority at > intersections even if there is no crossing. The

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reservoirs, lakes, and ponds

A proposal[1] to clarify the tagging of reservoirs, lakes, and ponds is now open for comments. This proposal: 1. Deprecates landuse=reservoir 2. Provides definitions for: a. water=reservoir b. water=lake c. water=pond It is clear from various multiple discussions on this

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - crossing=priority

On 20/12/2020 14:42, Paul Allen wrote: There may be many uncontrolled crossings (no lights, no zebra markings) in built-up areas, mostly at junctions. They typically have a dropped curb with tactile paving of a different colour (does that count as markings or not?). I use crossing=unmarked

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reservoirs, lakes, and ponds

383 813 *landuse* *reservoir* 334 450 *water* *reservoir* I think it does make no

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 10:11, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > Martin Koppenhoefer: > > > > > > sent from a phone > > > >> On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:27, Brian M. Sperlongano > wrote: > >> > >> I understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a > car drives > >> over them, as they

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reservoirs, lakes, and ponds

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 15:29, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > > > In addition, please consider that deprecated features are being flagged by > editor sw on > saving any changeet that contains an deprecated tag, even if it has nothing > to do > with your actual editing, this would be adding another

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

Am So., 20. Dez. 2020 um 16:11 Uhr schrieb Niels Elgaard Larsen < elga...@agol.dk>: > Martin Koppenhoefer: > > I thought they would make people drive slower, while retaining a > possibility for > > bicycles to pass in between. > > That is what the proposal says. But there is no way a bicycle

Re: [Tagging] Continuous shoulder rumble strips (CSRS)

Those are known as rumble strips. The wiki has traffic_calming=rumble_strip: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming#Common_values There is no page for the tag though, differentiating the types of rumble strips there are. For examples, I’ve seen them on: The side of a highway

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 16:11, Peter Neale via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I agree. To be called a "pillow", it would have to be soft and not rigid. > IIRC there are traffic calming "pillows" that are filled with air and > deflate, if you drive over them slowly, but remain

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

traffic calming device often used in Czech republic   I found this; https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zpomalovac%C3%AD_pr%C3%A1h   https://www.google.com/search?client=opera=Zpomalovací+polštáře=opera=UTF-8=UTF-8   https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zpomalovací_práh#/media/Soubor:Zpomalovací_polštáře.jpg

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

Martin Koppenhoefer: sent from a phone On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:27, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: I understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a car drives over them, as they don't slow you down in any appreciable way like a speed bump/hump. I thought they would make

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

Thank you for the example. This could be another specific calming device - I really want the be notified by navigation when I ride motorbike  20. prosince 2020 16:08:35 SEČ, Niels Elgaard Larsen napsal: >Martin Koppenhoefer: >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >>> On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:27, Brian

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - crossing=priority

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 15:05, Jeremy Harris wrote: > On 20/12/2020 14:42, Paul Allen wrote: > > There may be many uncontrolled crossings (no lights, no > > zebra markings) in built-up areas, mostly at junctions. They > > typically have a dropped curb with tactile paving of a > > different

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

These objects need a new tag, not a sub-tag of traffic_calming=bump (220k uses), for the simple reason that it has a different effect on the road users. I have myself tagged many such sausage-shaped bumps with traffic_calming=bump and no sub-tag. They slow down every vehicle, but are not as

[Tagging] Continuous shoulder rumble strips (CSRS)

Is there a tagging scheme for these bicycle killers ? I have encountered them on freeways and other major roads that allow cyclists, in the western States of the USA. In theory there should be no problem, as the cyclist is supposed to be on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

Martin, the former ones ( http://www.valsassinanews.com/image/original/12663.jpg ) are "tables" ( traffic_calming=table) in OSM-speak - see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming. I was referring to the latter ones as

Re: [Tagging] Continuous shoulder rumble strips (CSRS)

On 20/12/2020 16:07, Volker Schmidt wrote: Is there a tagging scheme for these bicycle killers ? I have encountered them on freeways and other major roads that allow cyclists, in the western States of the USA. How about cycleway =

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 14:55, <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote: > traffic calming device often used in *Czech republic* > > I found this; > https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zpomalovac%C3%AD_pr%C3%A1h > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

I agree. To be called a "pillow", it would have to be soft and not rigid.  IIRC there are traffic calming "pillows" that are filled with air and deflate, if you drive over them slowly, but remain inflated, if you drive over at speed.  I regret that I cannot find a reference to them at the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

Am So., 20. Dez. 2020 um 17:13 Uhr schrieb Volker Schmidt : > Martin, the former ones ( > http://www.valsassinanews.com/image/original/12663.jpg ) are "tables" ( > traffic_calming=table) in OSM-speak - see > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming. >

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

On 20/12/20 6:32 pm, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Dec 20, 2020, 00:01 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 20/12/20 6:45 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Is there some good use for sport=shooting_range? Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting +

Re: [Tagging] Continuous shoulder rumble strips (CSRS)

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 02:24, Seth Deegan wrote: > Those are known as rumble strips. > > The wiki has traffic_calming=rumble_strip: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming#Common_values > But the description for rumble strip on that page also says "Do not confuse with

Re: [Tagging] Continuous shoulder rumble strips (CSRS)

The OSM wiki page Traffic_calming defines - traffic_calming=rumble_strip as a structure that crosses the road. It also says explicitly: " Do not confuse with longitudinally placed rumble strips to alert drivers that

Re: [Tagging] Continuous shoulder rumble strips (CSRS)

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 4:00 PM Volker Schmidt wrote: > The OSM wiki page Traffic_calming defines > >- traffic_calming=rumble_strip > > > as a structure that crosses the road. It also says explicitly: > " Do not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reservoirs, lakes, and ponds

2020-12-20, sk, 17:59 Paul Allen rašė: > Too late, at least for iD. Its authors have already decided to deprecate > landuse=reservoir. All this proposal does is document the fact. Strange sequence/logic tho: 1. iD brakes the rules, does something contrary to what OpenStreetMap/mappers do,

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

Note that the shooting_range hazard is specifically about the zone in and around a shooting range that you should avoid if you don't want to accidentally encounter a stray bullet (the area of the hazard) rather than as a tag for a shooting range itself. On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 3:30 PM Jmapb

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

On 12/19/2020 5:16 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I agree with this, there’s a lot of abuse for “pitch”, and these are not arguments for continuing the line, it’s never too late to learn from past errors ;-) leisure=shooting_range might make sense? There are also 4000 military=range (is this

Re: [Tagging] Continuous shoulder rumble strips (CSRS)

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:27 AM Jeremy Harris wrote: > On 20/12/2020 16:07, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Is there a tagging scheme for these bicycle killers > > ? > > I have encountered them on freeways and other major roads that allow > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 17:55, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > How objects tagged now with amenity=lifeboat_station should be tagged > after this proposal passes? > They were a late addition after somebody pointed out that they exist. They would be replaced

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 19:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On 20. Dec 2020, at 05:43, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > The existing emergency > =disaster_response > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

> Yes, but all proposals suggest a rendering scheme. > The proposal process wiki page says "Not a part of the proposals process as such, but hints for the renderer maintainer will help them out. maybe a description of an icon (refer Map Icons), or an example mock-up. Usually may be safely omitted

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reservoirs, lakes, and ponds

Tomas, Please refrain from calling out others as outlined in the Etiquette Guidelines [1] [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette Best, Clifford On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 12:38 PM Tomas Straupis wrote: > 2020-12-20, sk, 17:59 Paul Allen rašė: > > Too late, at least for iD. Its

Re: [Tagging] Continuous shoulder rumble strips (CSRS)

sent from a phone > On 20. Dec 2020, at 22:50, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > I can understand why a cyclist would like to know about them, but I'm not > sure how we'd map them? A way drawn along the side of the road, like a fence, > or added to the roads properties eg cycleway=lane +

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

There has been concern raised on the talk page over the "If it's illegal, please don't map" warning that I included in the proposal. I put it there due to that issue being mentioned on several military related pages, but also noticed that there are a few different wording of it eg

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

sent from a phone > On 20. Dec 2020, at 22:45, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Some examples; > > sportbowlsA place where you can play lawn bowls/lawn bowling. > > sportkitesurfingTo mark a spot for kitesurfing > > sportmultiA sports facility

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

sent from a phone > On 21. Dec 2020, at 00:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > There has been concern raised on the talk page over the "If it's illegal, > please don't map" warning that I included in the proposal. is this referring to British law? Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 09:32, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > its presence does not even tell in every case that you can exercise the > sport at an object with this tag. E.g. > shop=sports > sport=surfing > What would you suggest then for a shop that sells surfboards eg

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

I agree with this interpretation. sport=* should always be secondary to some physical feature that is a location in some way related to the sport (where it is played, where you can get lessons, a shop, etc). On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 6:32 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 09:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > is this referring to British law? > Not that I'm aware of (or Australian for that matter!), but I have seen comments on various pages that it is illegal for people in both Israel & Russia to map the location of military bases, &, of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

Per the Proposal Process at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process#Voting it's normal to send a new email with the subject like "Feature Proposal - Voting - (Feature Name)" to the list. Many people might not be reading every email in the RFC thread, but do want to know when voting

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

sent from a phone > On 21. Dec 2020, at 00:49, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I would hate for somebody to be potentially arrested on spying / espionage > charges for doing what we suggested :-( imagine you were mapping something, and it is legal in the place where you are, but illegal in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

Thanks Andrew! Done! Graeme On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 10:21, Andrew Harvey wrote: > Per the Proposal Process at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process#Voting it's normal > to send a new email with the subject like "Feature Proposal - Voting - > (Feature Name)" to the list. > >

[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Pumping

Dear all, Following an appropriate refactoring of proposed pumping tagging done by IanVG and I, this proposal is now open for voting until January 4. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pumping_proposal Despite a complex classification, keep in mind that most of proposed tags

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Rescue Stations

Just to make sure everybody is aware, voting is now open on the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Rescue_Stations proposal. Any questions or comments are still welcome, either here, the original Proposal thread (