Am 25.05.2015 um 20:58 schrieb Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com:
Creating a wikidata object out of a wikipedia article is a non issue. You
just get an object with no attributes, only a link to the article.
Even articles like Wikipedia disambiguation pages have wikidata objects:
On 26 May 2015 at 00:35, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25/05/2015, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 25 May 2015 at 22:18, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote:
How do you link to a wikidata label in an OSM tag ? One that never
suffers from renaming ? As
Am 26.05.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
a hotel that includes a restaurant. OSM uses
two objects from the begining, both linked to the single wikidata
article that talks about the hotel as a whole.
OSM should only link the hotel item to the Wikipedia
On 26 May 2015 at 10:25, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
how can you edit wikidata?
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Introduction
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On 26/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
My main concern with wikidata for the moment: it's mostly as fuzzy as
Wikipedia is - because the objects are not created by humans but conversions
of articles. Using only wikidata would mean we are sure that wikidata will
be a
I wouldn't deprecate the wikipedia tags either. They give a human readable
form of what is hopefully the same item on WD.
I only hope that we won't stop at adding only the WP tags. Also I don't
think anybody is adding name:etymology:wikipedia tags, but we do have
name:etymology:wikidata
So a
On 26 May 2015 at 10:36, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 26.05.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
a hotel that includes a restaurant. OSM uses
two objects from the begining, both linked to the single wikidata
article that talks about the hotel
On 26/05/2015, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
You don't link to a Wikidata label, you link to a Wikidata item.
QED, you can only use wikidata IDs such as Q936 in OSM tags, which
is much less userfriendly than the wikipedia equivalent. You brought
wikidata labels to the discussion;
Am 25.05.2015 um 21:18 schrieb Thorsten Alge li...@thorsten-alge.de:
Since wikipedia migrated the interwikilinks (the link which are
connecting the article in language a of something to all other articles
in a different language about that same topic) it is where you get links
to
Am 26.05.2015 um 12:08 schrieb Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Introduction
Thank you for this pointer, it's appreciated.
Are there definitions for the properties? I have had a look at the examples and
landed here:
uto, 26. svi 2015. 11:20 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com je
napisao:
yes, basically at the moment wikidata entities have almost the same issues
as wp articles have (because they have been created from the articles) with
the advantage of the capability of better handling of name
Am 26.05.2015 um 12:46 schrieb Jo winfi...@gmail.com:
Also I don't think anybody is adding name:etymology:wikipedia tags, but we do
have name:etymology:wikidata
there are a few tags like that:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=%3Awikipedia
I agree that wikidata is better for
On 25 May 2015 at 13:18, Thorsten Alge li...@thorsten-alge.de wrote:
Since wikidata will be the center of all Wikimedia wikis it might be
better to link to wikidata items instead of wikipedia article. Thats why
I wonder what you think of deprecating the wikipedia tags (NOT DELETING
any of
It must not be more difficult for a novice if the editor supports
fetching the wikidata item when a wikipedia-tag is present.
On 2015-05-25 14:40, Andy Mabbett wrote:
On 25 May 2015 at 13:18, Thorsten Alge li...@thorsten-alge.de wrote:
Since wikidata will be the center of all Wikimedia wikis
I think for most people, especially the more casual ones using ID, it
will be easier to map wikipedia tags so I think we should keep it. Long
term it would probably be great to have a automated system that just
pulls the Wikidata ID when you put in a wikipedia, but I don't think
that will
On 25 May 2015 at 13:18, Thorsten Alge li...@thorsten-alge.de wrote:
Since wikidata will be the center of all Wikimedia wikis it might be
better to link to wikidata items instead of wikipedia article. Thats
why I wonder what you think of deprecating the wikipedia tags (NOT
DELETING any of
Ok, No.
Having the wikidata-tag enables an application to select the
wikipedia-article in the language of the users choice or to easily load
additional information from wikidata like a cities crest for displaying.
The advantage would be that a user wouldn't get the German article
because its a
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 3:08 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com
wrote:
I already replied that I wonder what's the idea behind that enforcement.
Why wouldn't Wikidata be used also rather than instead? Is it really a
goal of OSM insisting to destroy Wikipedia?
So when people stop
On Mon May 25 14:29:21 2015 GMT+0100, Marc Gemis wrote:
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 3:08 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com
wrote:
I already replied that I wonder what's the idea behind that enforcement.
Why wouldn't Wikidata be used also rather than instead? Is it really a
goal of
Le lun. 25 mai 2015 à 15:08 +0200, André Pirard a écrit :
On 25 May 2015 at 13:18, Thorsten Alge li...@thorsten-alge.de wrote:
Since wikidata will be the center of all Wikimedia wikis it might be
better to link to wikidata items instead of wikipedia article. Thats
why I wonder what you
ikidata will always be playing catch-up to wikipedia, to
some extent.
Can you just show me a single Wikipedia entry without a Wikidata object.
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On 25/05/2015, p...@trigpoint.me.uk p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
I think a lot of us mappers are going to need a lot of convincing,
wikipedia tags, in common with other osm tags, are human readable.
When reviewing changes I do not see a number that is meaningless without
following the link,
On 25/05/2015, Guillaume Allegre allegre.guilla...@free.fr wrote:
I already replied that I wonder what's the idea behind that enforcement.
Why wouldn't Wikidata be used also rather than instead? Is it
really a goal of OSM insisting to destroy Wikipedia?
Wikidata has one more advantage :
2015-05-25 16:24 GMT+02:00 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com:
Also, a lot of wikipedia articles do not (yet) have a wikidata
counterpart.
I thought all wikipedia articles had been transformed into wikidata
entities (that's what I was told from a guy from wikimedia).
The big difference
On 25/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-05-25 16:24 GMT+02:00 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com:
Also, a lot of wikipedia articles do not (yet) have a wikidata
counterpart.
I thought all wikipedia articles had been transformed into wikidata
entities (that's
Hi,
* Thorsten Alge li...@thorsten-alge.de [150525 15:24]:
Having the wikidata-tag enables an application to select the
wikipedia-article in the language of the users choice or to easily load
additional information from wikidata like a cities crest for displaying.
The advantage would be that
Well thats a good point. But in my opinion thats where the editor should
support the mapper and load the Description from Wikidata and maybe a
list of available languages for wikipedia articles.
I think a lot of us mappers are going to need a lot of convincing,
wikipedia tags, in common with
On 2015-05-25 15:29, Marc Gemis wrote :
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 3:08 PM, André Pirard
a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote:
I already replied that I wonder what's the idea behind that
enforcement. Why wouldn't Wikidata be used also rather than
instead?
On 25 May 2015 at 17:13, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote:
* wikipedia names are friendlyer to mappers, and generally more well-known
Wikidata labels should be more useful, contain less redundancy, and be
no less well-known. For example, High Street rather than High
Street, Birmingham
On 25/05/2015 19:14, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
Can you just show me a single Wikipedia entry without a Wikidata object.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_map_projections
Ok, maybe that one doesn't count because it's kind of metadata that
doesn't belong in wikidata.
On 25 May 2015 at 17:32, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought all wikipedia articles had been transformed into wikidata entities
(that's what I was told from a guy from wikimedia).
He was correct.
The big difference that I see that could be there (in theory, the
pon, 25. svi 2015. 18:57 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com je napisao:
Automatically creating wikipedia articles out of wikidata objects
shouldn't be too hard. The reverse seems unlikely. As far as I
understand, wikidata will always be playing catch-up to wikipedia, to
some
extent.
On 25 May 2015 at 19:14, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you just show me a single Wikipedia entry without a Wikidata object.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_map_projections
Ok, maybe that one doesn't count because it's kind of metadata that
doesn't belong in wikidata.
On 25/05/2015, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 25 May 2015 at 17:13, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote:
* wikipedia names are friendlyer to mappers, and generally more well-known
Wikidata labels should be more useful, contain less redundancy, and be
no less
On 25/05/2015, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:
ikidata will always be playing catch-up to wikipedia, to
some extent.
Can you just show me a single Wikipedia entry without a Wikidata object.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_map_projections
Ok, maybe that one doesn't count because
I'm not shure what it way you wanted to prove with these links. All of
these articles have wikidata items linked to them. All new articles get
wikidata items short after creation. Have a look in the left sidebar.
Since wikipedia migrated the interwikilinks (the link which are
connecting the
On 25/05/2015, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 25 May 2015 at 22:18, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote:
How do you link to a wikidata label in an OSM tag ? One that never
suffers from renaming ? As far as I know, we can/should only use
wikidata ids, which are stable
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:18 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com
wrote:
Speaking of stable ids, how does wikidata handle renames, merges and
splits on the wikipedia side ? Even in the best-case scenario, it
seems that an OSM wikidata tag can drift off-target following
reorganisations
On 25 May 2015 at 22:18, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote:
How do you link to a wikidata label in an OSM tag ? One that never
suffers from renaming ? As far as I know, we can/should only use
wikidata ids, which are stable but not user friendly.
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